Yellowstone

[MathBlade]

I may have something to do with the missing NK, but it could be someone else too.

I need some time to digest this but I think a snowflake may help you here. This may seem like troll posting. I am waiting to see if snow flurries spread. I think it was storming for DGB. Think before you respond DGB. This is a weird troll not troll. Focus on the small picture in the big.

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Ok, well DGB suggested the massclaim afaik, so I am sure she can articulate why it feels it is worthwhile and we can decide as a group based on what she has to say. I am TRing DGB moderately hard so am prepared to trust her to a reasonable extent

Also it goes by it. Please note DGB’s pronouns.

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I think hold off. Mass claim is not proper yet.

I think targeted claims maybe.

Maybe have mom decide since she’s nigh on conf town?

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@Math what do you mean targeted claims?

As in a certain player(s) claims but not everyone.

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VOTE: Marky Mark

Just swapping back to gut part two.

Leave your questions G. Will respond as I can. I am incredibly nervous about something you said and I want time to formulate my thoughts on if it’s protown to even mention.

Anything that should be said, must be said for clarity sake.

I really need to think about that.

Wrong things may cause bad assumptions at a paradise tropical when making new buildings.

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I hate it when people get scumread for being right. Noraa’s TR on horse doesn’t look like TMI at all to me.

What’s your read on G?

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Was town before, but stopped being towny towards the end of the day which worries me.

What was not Townie by the end of the day?

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can someone fill me in on the important stuff that happened in the last like 20 pages or something?

a) Math pushed Horse hard, flipped VT
b) Toogolo got shot by yours truly, mafia kill went poof bye bye.
c) DGB says they may or may not know something about the missing mofia kill, and suggested a mass-claim.
d) Others says mass-claim is not smart, maybe the mason decides what happens as they're close to conftown.
e) Noraa came in asking what's happened
f) Jacko came in with a list of what's happened.
g) Jacko prepares to press the submit button
h) Jacko presses the-

who claimed vig? the masons are confirmed now and who are they?
Why tf would DGB suggest mass claim. that's stupid.
Ok fun good summary.

And lol at wanting masons to out. How did I miss this?

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Was town before, but stopped being towny towards the end of the day which worries me.

What was not Townie by the end of the day?

His aggression and sorting from earlier in the day turned into a very forgettable presence. It felt like he was saying stuff just to say it. The progression on horse, from thinking she said some towny stuff to going back to scumreading her didn’t feel particularly genuine. The response to flea’s case felt...not as flippant as I expected. The case was bad enough imo that I think most would be really frustrated by it as town and guillo instead seemed to give more validity to the case than it had.

You can have a reprieve today.

Got more examples?

Like a case?

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I think guillo could be a good pick for a “deepwolf” in the townbloc, and so would DGB. It gave a lot of consensus reads, but presented them in nuanced ways in order to look like it had original thoughts.

PEdit: I could maybe give more examples but casing isn’t my strong suit.

I don’t think DGB is scum here in any world. G possibly but I don’t think DGB.

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who claimed vig? the masons are confirmed now and who are they?

Jackson claimed responsibility for the Toog kill.

Ohhhh. Ok so possibilities are
1) Jacko is scum
2) Jacko and scum double killed toog (Trust me this is possible. Last time I was vig, the scums and me killed the same person and that's why the doc on that person didn't work)
3) Jacko is vig and something happened to the scum kill

I think 3 is the most likely, and I think 1 is way more likely than 2. I don’t see why scum would shoot toog if not to semi-confirm a vig claim.

VOTE: guillo I’m gonna trust math here, but reluctantly. The last time I let a scumread go because of a soft they were scum.

I am not sure if he’s scum or not. I kinda wanna see where this plays out. I think he probably is but am not like sure sure.

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Mostly I’m trusting you on DGB being town, and in that case guillo is where I’d want to go next.

Mainly that’s where my gut is right now.

Going to reevaluate later but that’s where my thought is.

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I am not sure if he’s scum or not. I kinda wanna see where this plays out. I think he probably is but am not like sure sure.

how did this all change so fast?

It’s a bit antitown to say atm. Just trust me something is up and I am trying to figure it out.

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@DGB Only if you push for it like I did.

CLAIM OR DIE!!!!!

LOL

Is this a joke or serious? I think joke?

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I am not sure if he’s scum or not. I kinda wanna see where this plays out. I think he probably is but am not like sure sure.

how did this all change so fast?

It’s a bit antitown to say atm. Just trust me something is up and I am trying to figure it out.

I'll trust whoever I want to trust tyvm. I don't trust you for your stubbornness when I over and over said horse was town.

Okay then don’t. I won’t explain further until I can figure a way to do so safely.

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Also, I was right about horsewoman and imma be snarky about it

VOTE: Noraa

Here is your medal. You knew Horsewoman was town very early in the game. How or Why?

She's scum.

G had he in the pronoun field I believe

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Also my TR on Math has disappeared. the main reason for my TR was bc I thought he was softing vig and that it would be provable. But now that Jacko claimed vig, that no longer applies.

Oh I was softing but not that

Go for it.

Push me.

C’mon I dare you. Lol

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Also my TR on Math has disappeared. the main reason for my TR was bc I thought he was softing vig and that it would be provable. But now that Jacko claimed vig, that no longer applies.

Oh I was softing but not that

Go for it.

Push me.

C’mon I dare you. Lol

TR disappear doesn't equal SR....
why are you so damn defensive?!!?!??!

Lol yes it does and that’s not defensive.

I am literally telling you to bring it.

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I want to use your suspicion to read you.

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Can we not do this? Scum already have more info than they should. I’m pretty sure math is town.

If they already know then what’s the harm?

If they don’t know how will Noraa scumcasing me help them figure out I am town?

What’s the risk to making Noraa articulate things?

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I don’t want you to claim anything is all.

Wasn’t planning on it. Lol

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Can we not do this? Scum already have more info than they should. I’m pretty sure math is town.

I dunno if I agree math is town. He's so defensive.

Im just like "My TR on u disappeared, Math"

and he's like "WELL COME AT ME NORAA."

its like .... UH wut?!

Come at me. Case me. You know you want to

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Hi mom! Think we should have a plan for this.

Pants protection is important.

I gotta get back to work but we should be careful.

VOTE: Guillo

That’s my thoughts atm.

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Oooh I like it. Controlled burn. Keeping what pants necessary on.

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Sorry for the slow response - was playing chess with a family member and it ended up going on waaaaaay to long

I'm VT

I buy this. I think you can be town.

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Was town before, but stopped being towny towards the end of the day which worries me.

What was not Townie by the end of the day?

His aggression and sorting from earlier in the day turned into a very forgettable presence. It felt like he was saying stuff just to say it. The progression on horse, from thinking she said some towny stuff to going back to scumreading her didn’t feel particularly genuine. The response to flea’s case felt...not as flippant as I expected. The case was bad enough imo that I think most would be really frustrated by it as town and guillo instead seemed to give more validity to the case than it had.

You can have a reprieve today.

Got more examples?

Like a case?

who claimed vig? the masons are confirmed now and who are they?

Jackson claimed responsibility for the Toog kill.

Ohhhh. Ok so possibilities are
1) Jacko is scum
2) Jacko and scum double killed toog (Trust me this is possible. Last time I was vig, the scums and me killed the same person and that's why the doc on that person didn't work)
3) Jacko is vig and something happened to the scum kill

I think 3 is the most likely, and I think 1 is way more likely than 2. I don’t see why scum would shoot toog if not to semi-confirm a vig claim.

VOTE: guillo I’m gonna trust math here, but reluctantly. The last time I let a scumread go because of a soft they were scum.

Can we not do this? Scum already have more info than they should. I’m pretty sure math is town.

The early infinity vote today from Math followed by this interaction (ie initial distancing then collaborating to vote elsewhere) has solidfied my suspicion of an infinity/math scumpair. Of the two, I think infinity is more likely to be scum tho from their position on the mom wagon.

Hmmmm I think this is a good sign you’re this dense lol.

I townread infinity based on something he did. Is it possible I am being pocketed? Of course. Likely? Not so much.

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Mom said you should say who should claim next and why

+1

Mom you missed Mark’s VT claim.

Who should claim next and why?

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So you state that scum already have more info than they should and then you say you are pretty sure Math is town.

That's contradicting!

Me saying that math is town doesn't give scum much more info than they already had given my stated TR on math d1.

You are not saying that Math is town. You are saying that you are

PRETTY SURE

that Math is town. There are only two scenarios where a player can state confidence on someone's town alignment.

1) The player is scum
2) The player is a cop

For someone who said that we should not give scum more info than they already should have, if we go by your logic, there is no way you are the cop, because that is outing yourself to scum thus providing more info than scum should have right?

Then I conclude that you must be the other option. You must be scum.

You got some balls on you that’s for sure. There’s at minimum third scenario here that you aren’t seeing/saying.

I don’t know if it’s because you’re scum setting up a fake claim or you’re tunneled town but pretty sure you need to take a step back.

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Hi mom! Think we should have a plan for this.

Pants protection is important.

I gotta get back to work but we should be careful.

VOTE: Guillo

That’s my thoughts atm.

This vote can't be genuine.

You are either a town with bipolarity disorder, or scum, or you are town testing for reactions.

Which one is it?

I change my vote when it suits me. I am in a unique situation where I will probably end up being different than myself and listening to my inner voice a lot more.

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Also can we not bring mental disorders into this as an attack, much thanks

Agreed thank you.

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VOTE: Guillotina

I want a claim and I'm getting it one way or another

Your vote does not intimidate me and my yeet will look bad on your anti town push. Go ahead.

If you want me to claim, show me why we need to claim, I take no orders from you.

You really want to turn down a mason.

Really? Explain how that works.

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Simple, she claimed Mason at a time she was getting pushed and was not in danger to get eliminated.

By policy i town read her and countered her wagon.

But she has not been confirmed, the vigilante outed himself to give us info about the only kill last night, I doubt scum can holster so a protective slot did their job protecting one of us.

I will not make it easy for scum to determine who is that protective slot.

You can and will claim or I will work Mom’s will and honor her and tunnel you into dirt.

She explained why and I buy it. Claim.

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You can't also scare me with your AtE. I've been there done that so

I dont give a crap if you think is AtE. I'm not claiming! If I have to die to protect the doctor I will, everyone else should shut their mouth to do the same.

If you were town you'd see this, thus I don't believe your mason claim anymore because your behavior is a threat to our wincon! This better be a test! What am I missing here?

FoS: Momrangal

FoS: Infinity

VOTE: MathBlade

If you are gonna run me down to the dirt, you best believe it will not be without a fight.

I'm town, that's my claim.

Good luck with that. One scum down it looks like.

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I still disagree. and I'm loving guillo's defence of himself here.

I hate it.

G is acting like they know more than everyone else.
Towns win when they cooperate with obv/confTown.

G isn’t building a town block it looks like they had a set plan in mind from day one and there are very few claims I would even consider realistic from G. I just think they’re full of shit. Their day play doesn’t sync with their actions here.

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Guillo, we’re literally telling the protective not to claim. Can we just listen to the mason?

That’s counter intuitive, the reason we’re massclaiming is to find the missing kill. If protective doesn’t claim what’s thenpoint

That’s not why we’re mass claiming. Look at the subtext

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If we're gonna massclaim, do we want to wait to out the protective? That at least makes it harder for scum to pick off PRs.

its day two. STOP. We are NOT massclaiming.

That’s not what mom said.

Reread it again.

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Guillo, we’re literally telling the protective not to claim. Can we just listen to the mason?

That’s counter intuitive, the reason we’re massclaiming is to find the missing kill. If protective doesn’t claim what’s thenpoint

That’s not why we’re mass claiming. Look at the subtext

And to be fair it’s not a mass claim.

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VOTE: Guillotina

I want a claim and I'm getting it one way or another

We already have more information out than is typical for a day two.

We have a flipped townie,
Claimed townie
Claimed mason
And a claimed VT

We have people claiming information and we have a missing kill.

Instead of having town wifoms itself into oblivion, were going to force scum to play their hand and open up the game

This is why we are doing mom controlled claiming

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Guillo, we’re literally telling the protective not to claim. Can we just listen to the mason?

That’s counter intuitive, the reason we’re massclaiming is to find the missing kill. If protective doesn’t claim what’s thenpoint

Exactly! As far as I know, Masons are just VTs that share a room, so how do you expect to figure out the missing kill without the protective claim?

Theme game. Assuming makes an ass of you and me.

It’s possible mom has a pr in addition. It’s not worth pursuing atm though.

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Ok I'm caught up. Mom not dying night 1 is just weird. I think I definitely would like the mason buddy to confirm. I don't have a read on mom and them not dying last night is really weird.

It’s really not.
Scum shot mom and mom was protected or scum shot outside of mom thinking she’d be protected and this other person got protected instead.

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Ok I'm caught up. Mom not dying night 1 is just weird. I think I definitely would like the mason buddy to confirm. I don't have a read on mom and them not dying last night is really weird.

I mean if mom asks the other mason to sure they’d probably claim
But saying that’s really scummy.

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Ok I'm caught up. Mom not dying night 1 is just weird. I think I definitely would like the mason buddy to confirm. I don't have a read on mom and them not dying last night is really weird.

It’s really not.
Scum shot mom and mom was protected or scum shot outside of mom thinking she’d be protected and this other person got protected instead.

Oh right I forgot toog wasn't a scum kill. ignore me.

Nah I will just scumread you.

You and G make sense to me.

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Guillo, we’re literally telling the protective not to claim. Can we just listen to the mason?

That’s counter intuitive, the reason we’re massclaiming is to find the missing kill. If protective doesn’t claim what’s thenpoint

Exactly! As far as I know, Masons are just VTs that share a room, so how do you expect to figure out the missing kill without the protective claim?

Theme game. Assuming makes an ass of you and me.

It’s possible mom has a pr in addition. It’s not worth pursuing atm though.

My role is as normal as it gets, I doubt this game got players with multiple abilities, specially when there are vanilla town flips.

Nope! I'll believe it when I see it, let's hope we don't have to see it, hence mass claiming is a terrible idea!

So then claim. You just claimed PR. No point in holding back now

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PR mason would be normal btw

I am such an old foagie I never remember what’s normal
But this is a theme so normal isn’t required anyways.

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Ok I'm caught up. Mom not dying night 1 is just weird. I think I definitely would like the mason buddy to confirm. I don't have a read on mom and them not dying last night is really weird.

It’s really not.
Scum shot mom and mom was protected or scum shot outside of mom thinking she’d be protected and this other person got protected instead.

Oh right I forgot toog wasn't a scum kill. ignore me.

Nah I will just scumread you.

You and G make sense to me.

Yah?! Does it? So you think I was willing to bus Noraa since day 1 if she and I were wolves?

Really? You are not making sense and that is making me mad!

To distance not bus and possibly.
Without seeing the scum PT I can’t really know for sure.
It’s possible you push Nora bad like I have done in prior scum games.

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PR mason would be normal btw

I am such an old foagie I never remember what’s normal
But this is a theme so normal isn’t required anyways.

Qft

What's that?

Quoted for truth.

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Guys should I claim owo

I mean if you wanna claim again sure. *shrug*

I kinda believe your claim

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b]Horse defense team[/b]
Noraa
DrippingGoofball
Infinity 324


Vaxkiller

Horse offense team

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Guillotina
Momrangal
JacksonVirgo
Marky Mark

No team/ coasters
Toogeloo
Flea the Magician
AGamblingPig

While we're working out claims, I think this is a good time to place this here and see what people think about it

this is good.

It is

With how hard horse was to elim I am thinking one scum hard defend one scum attack one scum null/flex...null/flex could move to defend maybe.

Eliminate Toog as dead.
G Noraa Flea? I originally thought TWTBW but now maybe that was experienced scum taking advantage of newness and trying to see if Flea would shade the mason claim and get town cred for it?

Thoughts mom?

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Horse defense team

Noraa
DrippingGoofball
Infinity 324


Vaxkiller

Horse offense team

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Guillotina
Momrangal
JacksonVirgo
Marky Mark

No team/ coasters
Toogeloo
Flea the Magician
AGamblingPig

While we're working out claims, I think this is a good time to place this here and see what people think about it

1) Why is Vax randomly there with nobody else
2) Do you think scum is spread in all three sections

I think mom wants our opinions.

And G’s claim but the latter prolly not gonna happen and probably going to have to flip him.

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I don't think DBG is scum here, I don't think Math is scum here

It’s okay JV forgot you’re mason.
He’s just on a delayed cycle.
He’ll pick all that up d3 prolly lol

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I agree on the Mark Infinity town part though to be fair.

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I agree on the Mark Infinity town part though to be fair.

So you’re thinking Gill is the only possible scum in the offence section?

Yup.
Also makes sense why the wagon stalled.

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I do want opinions though

This is best done with multiple wagons, otherwise you hardly do any better than random.

Sneaking of wagons wanna VCA day one with me?

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Votecount 1.1

bad bear pun count

: 2

[3]DrippingGoofball:

Noraa, LlamaMama, Marky Mark

[3]no elim:

Flea the Magician, Horsewoman, Momrangal

[2]Noraa:

DrippingGoofball, JacksonVirgo

[1]no elimination:

no elim

[1]Horsewoman:

Toogeloo

[3] Not Voting:

AGamblingPig, Nono, Guillotina

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

The elimination deadline is in (expired on 2020-12-22 12:35:35).

You’re probably town, no elim aka Infinity prolly town horse is town.

This means that we probably have a minor scum wagon on Noraa or a complete whiff at start of D1.

Means we probably have two scum voting somewhere if not three so one scum max in Pig/G.

Scum probably don’t combine here this early

So Vax + Nora out.

G/Vax(or Nora)/Flea maybe?

Spitballing thoughts here

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Why ignore where I called you out for shading/discrediting me

Because it was a joke and not a shade/discredit.

You’re a townread and I townread you just missed/forgot some stuff earlier.

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I agree on the Mark Infinity town part though to be fair.

So you’re thinking Gill is the only possible scum in the offence section?

Yup.
Also makes sense why the wagon stalled.

Votecount 1.1

bad bear pun count

: 2

[3]DrippingGoofball:

Noraa, LlamaMama, Marky Mark

[3]no elim:

Flea the Magician, Horsewoman, Momrangal

[2]Noraa:

DrippingGoofball, JacksonVirgo

[1]no elimination:

no elim

[1]Horsewoman:

Toogeloo

[3] Not Voting:

AGamblingPig, Nono, Guillotina

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

The elimination deadline is in (expired on 2020-12-22 12:35:35).

You’re probably town, no elim aka Infinity prolly town horse is town.

This means that we probably have a minor scum wagon on Noraa or a complete whiff at start of D1.

Means we probably have two scum voting somewhere if not three so one scum max in Pig/G.

Scum probably don’t combine here this early

So Vax + Nora out.

G/Vax(or Nora)/Flea maybe?

Spitballing thoughts here

So, you cased Horsewoman based on wagon movement and failed. Your whole case on horsewoman was based mostly and not all on wagonomics. And instead of re-evaluating your approach, you are gonna cased me based on wagonomics?

What happens when i flip town then? Hmm?

If you flip town then either A) All scum voting or B) Pig is scum.

I don’t think you do and this is much ado about nothing.

There’s pretty much only one claim that makes you a townread at this point and if you were town you’da done it. I reached out to you before and crickets so pretty sure you’re just scum here.

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VCA changes as new data comes in.

As I said earlier it’s not perfect, but it can help who to push and find scum or not.

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Vax can go next while Guillotina is worked on

y tho?

Are you caught up to where mom says why? We should listen to her.

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Just need to get that out of my system thanks

Such a Sherlock read lol

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VOTE: Guillotina

I want a claim and I'm getting it one way or another

We already have more information out than is typical for a day two.

We have a flipped townie,
Claimed townie
Claimed mason
And a claimed VT

We have people claiming information and we have a missing kill.

Instead of having town wifoms itself into oblivion, were going to force scum to play their hand and open up the game

This is why we are doing mom controlled claiming

Here you go Vax.

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Just need to get that out of my system thanks

Such a Sherlock read lol

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Why thank you for your open mouth at my shade.

Jackson THIS is shade btw.

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Just need to get that out of my system thanks

Such a Sherlock read lol

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Why thank you for your open mouth at my shade.

Jackson THIS is shade btw.

Sigh, you didnt get it.


I town read the fuck out you and im not shading you.

Oh I thought that was a sideways rope. Here I was thinking you wanted to elim poor little ol me like G does who doesn’t case me and complains.

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And I was shading your Jackson read btw
Not rocket science to townread a un cc’d vig

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Vax can go next while Guillotina is worked on

y tho?

Are you caught up to where mom says why? We should listen to her.

Cause im defensive and offensive?

Dota game failed im requeuing

slickfiddy

That isn't it at all, but you are a hot take for scum based of my personal POE list

Hey mom help me with my vca please

I feel ignored *sniff*

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What's the claim here? The two scum off one Scum on is the reason why town-horse wagon is it turned out to he town?

Because that is a very solid reason here. It also correlates to make defense and offense team and where the scum are regarding that so it's great supportive evidence on why Guillotina is scum here.

It’s more that if DGB and infinity are town (which imho is likely unless DGB+Jackson randomly shot Toog which seems dumb) where would the scum be?

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And the first question I don’t follow.

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I agree on the Mark Infinity town part though to be fair.

So you’re thinking Gill is the only possible scum in the offence section?

Yup.
Also makes sense why the wagon stalled.

Votecount 1.1

bad bear pun count

: 2

[3]DrippingGoofball:

Noraa, LlamaMama, Marky Mark

[3]no elim:

Flea the Magician, Horsewoman, Momrangal

[2]Noraa:

DrippingGoofball, JacksonVirgo

[1]no elimination:

no elim

[1]Horsewoman:

Toogeloo

[3] Not Voting:

AGamblingPig, Nono, Guillotina

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

The elimination deadline is in (expired on 2020-12-22 12:35:35).

You’re probably town, no elim aka Infinity prolly town horse is town.

This means that we probably have a minor scum wagon on Noraa or a complete whiff at start of D1.

Means we probably have two scum voting somewhere if not three so one scum max in Pig/G.

Scum probably don’t combine here this early

So Vax + Nora out.

G/Vax(or Nora)/Flea maybe?

Spitballing thoughts here

So, you cased Horsewoman based on wagon movement and failed. Your whole case on horsewoman was based mostly and not all on wagonomics. And instead of re-evaluating your approach, you are gonna cased me based on wagonomics?

What happens when i flip town then? Hmm?

If you flip town then either A) All scum voting or B) Pig is scum.

I don’t think you do and this is much ado about nothing.

There’s pretty much only one claim that makes you a townread at this point and if you were town you’da done it. I reached out to you before and crickets so pretty sure you’re just scum here.

I do think you know im town.

I will case you later, unless you manage to convince everyone to yeet yet another town based of your wagonomics bullshit reads.

Horsewoman wagon stalled once because my gut was telling me that she could be town, i'm sure you recall that moment. Do you think a wolf stalls a misyeet when he could have easily sheep the consensus and end the slot earlier? That would be playing against my wincon if i was wolf, gamethrowing even. If you think wolves play like that, i hope i never rand wolf with you.

We have proof scum stalled the Horsewoman miselim the question is why?

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towncred, obviously.

Who do you think gets towncred from not voting Horse?

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Guill/Math interactions make me feel it’s a TvS
DGB pushing for mass-claim I didn’t like, even if you have information about the missing kill they should just say it except push for a mass-claim.

Why is guill town here, and why is Math scum here?

Because what I see is Guillotina deflecting and AtE ing the hell out of every hoping to use his activity d1 to get her a free ride here

As far as DBG goes, what do you think of me picking up where they left off? DBG is an enigmatic fellow but pay close enough attention and you know what up

Pedit: does the VCA and the stalling of the wagon suggest two scum off two scum on

I townread you for your claim as policy dictates but you are playing anti-town forcing your way into a mass claim and it makes me consider the possibility that you fake claimed. So if you want my claim, i will need the other mason to claim first to confirm you.

Otherwise, we solve this game another way or you yeet me.

Im willing to die so the protector may live.

Ooh so you know who the other mason is? Wouldn’t this be A mason if you’re town?

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I agree on the Mark Infinity town part though to be fair.

So you’re thinking Gill is the only possible scum in the offence section?

Yup.
Also makes sense why the wagon stalled.

Votecount 1.1

bad bear pun count

: 2

[3]DrippingGoofball:

Noraa, LlamaMama, Marky Mark

[3]no elim:

Flea the Magician, Horsewoman, Momrangal

[2]Noraa:

DrippingGoofball, JacksonVirgo

[1]no elimination:

no elim

[1]Horsewoman:

Toogeloo

[3] Not Voting:

AGamblingPig, Nono, Guillotina

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

The elimination deadline is in (expired on 2020-12-22 12:35:35).

You’re probably town, no elim aka Infinity prolly town horse is town.

This means that we probably have a minor scum wagon on Noraa or a complete whiff at start of D1.

Means we probably have two scum voting somewhere if not three so one scum max in Pig/G.

Scum probably don’t combine here this early

So Vax + Nora out.

G/Vax(or Nora)/Flea maybe?

Spitballing thoughts here

So, you cased Horsewoman based on wagon movement and failed. Your whole case on horsewoman was based mostly and not all on wagonomics. And instead of re-evaluating your approach, you are gonna cased me based on wagonomics?

What happens when i flip town then? Hmm?

If you flip town then either A) All scum voting or B) Pig is scum.

I don’t think you do and this is much ado about nothing.

There’s pretty much only one claim that makes you a townread at this point and if you were town you’da done it. I reached out to you before and crickets so pretty sure you’re just scum here.

I do think you know im town.

I will case you later, unless you manage to convince everyone to yeet yet another town based of your wagonomics bullshit reads.

Horsewoman wagon stalled once because my gut was telling me that she could be town, i'm sure you recall that moment. Do you think a wolf stalls a misyeet when he could have easily sheep the consensus and end the slot earlier? That would be playing against my wincon if i was wolf, gamethrowing even. If you think wolves play like that, i hope i never rand wolf with you.

We have proof scum stalled the Horsewoman miselim the question is why?

We who? What do you mean we?

We the whole game.

The horsewoman wagon stalled.

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Why am i claiming?

Dude I already quoted mom’s post for you again.

Like seriously.

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If the other mason outted would you claim

Mom I think scum are fishing.

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If the other mason outted would you claim

Mom I think scum are fishing.

Who are the scum? Fill me in.

I already said, you, Nora, Vax, and Flea are where I think scum are

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Preach

Demi

I mean mom!

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VOTE: Guillotina

I want a claim and I'm getting it one way or another

We already have more information out than is typical for a day two.

We have a flipped townie,
Claimed townie
Claimed mason
And a claimed VT

We have people claiming information and we have a missing kill.

Instead of having town wifoms itself into oblivion, were going to force scum to play their hand and open up the game

This is why we are doing mom controlled claiming

Here you go Vax.

@Vaxkiller

Here you go

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It's already been explained to you, for the 5th time now. The protective role is never going to be outted

How can you guarantee this?

Protective claims VT as said earlier ffs.

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which makes this whole exercise pointless as the scum know to shoot within VTs...

oy vay.

And me I get townie points for not voting HW \o/
even though it looks TMI'ing lol

Then the PRs crumb stomp them and we win lol.

I am okay with mom continuing to live and curb stomp as conf town.

I mean lol they can sure

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which makes this whole exercise pointless as the scum know to shoot within VTs...

If they shoot within the VTs, great. They aren't shooting PRs and they probably take a while to hit the protective. If the protective is actually a BP then even better.

Gmta hot damn dude

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Because I'm controlling the outting of claims

Because I know it isn't you

Because we already said, if I do for some reason pick the protective they are going to claim VT

Ok. I'm VT

Okay you die.

Protective already crumbed and you already crumbed cop.

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Also

FOS Math

for driving a wagon especially hard against what turned out to be a VT. I think a lot of us thought horse was scummy, but not with the massive levels of confidence that he had. As toog and I also pointed out D1, his late D1 posts setting out chain elims in the event that horse flipped town now look rather sus.

Math does look like he came to Momrangal rescue.

I hope there is a cop and checked one of those two.

Momrangal mason claim seemed like she was joking at first but when she saw we were taking the claim seriously and asked to confirm it she said she never jokes about claims.
Math confirmed this and immediately took a proactive role in pushing her counterwagon which is what a town leader would do to save the mason slot from a misyeet. But the situation developed and a few flags rised.

1) We were not anywhere near the EoD, why did Math felt the need to defend her so much?
2) How did Math came to the conclusion that HW had to be the scum slot after claiming of just skimming through?
3) Why did he focus on HW only even after Momrangal's wagon dissipated. He never showed hesitation.
4) Why didnt he consider other counterwagons as options for elimination such a Toogeloo? Instead he proposed Infinity who was never consensus for elimination.
5) I worked hard to get townread by my fellow townies, so it is greatly appreciated when someone says that they townread me, Math did, but he never said why? Now is the time to tell me that Math.
6) Math pressuring others into voting HW, me included, whom he townreads feels a bit scummy.
7) Marky raised a great point when he questioned Math about he saying that he'd push people leaving HW wagon if she flipped town. Felt like setting up people who ever considered not voting for HW.
8) If Math is scum, he's been breadcrumbing association with me, when i called him out about it, he ignored it.


I'm guilty of pushing HW hard but i had my doubts. By the end of the day my gut was telling me she was town but my brain was telling she was scum. In one of my games i was so wrong about my gut suspect so i didnt want to make the same mistake here. I'm sorry Horsewoman.

Bold is my emphasis. Protective doesn’t do this. You are dead.

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Guillo, we’re literally telling the protective not to claim. Can we just listen to the mason?

That’s counter intuitive, the reason we’re massclaiming is to find the missing kill. If protective doesn’t claim what’s thenpoint

Exactly! As far as I know, Masons are just VTs that share a room, so how do you expect to figure out the missing kill without the protective claim?

Theme game. Assuming makes an ass of you and me.

It’s possible mom has a pr in addition. It’s not worth pursuing atm though.

My role is as normal as it gets, I doubt this game got players with multiple abilities, specially when there are vanilla town flips.

Nope! I'll believe it when I see it, let's hope we don't have to see it, hence mass claiming is a terrible idea!

So then claim. You just claimed PR. No point in holding back now

C’mon now really? Seriously..... you’re bad at this G. You didn’t even pick a PR to fake claim as scum

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also surely cop and mason cancel out? didn't someone say that?

I didn’t say that but if G was a cop who checked me she’d get town so the sus of me is very weird. So it told me G can’t be an alignment cop. Pretty straightforward there. Between that and the protective crumb G scum became likely.

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also surely cop and mason cancel out? didn't someone say that?

I didn’t say that but if G was a cop who checked me she’d get town so the sus of me is very weird. So it told me G can’t be an alignment cop. Pretty straightforward there. Between that and the protective crumb G scum became likely.

If you’re so sure why not back up your words by finding where they softed

I already quoted it earlier.

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Y are we doing this day 2?

And someone mentioned Santa Claus

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sigh
stop spamming
I need another summary

Read the game or you’re going to get a biased version from whoever gives it to you

nah. I'll just ISO if needed in the future.

VOTE: Noraa

If you’re gonna act anti-town I’m just going to flat read you as scum

+1 I endorse.

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Because we have tons of information that usually isn't apparent on a d2

Correct.

Hey DGB what do you think of G and Nora?

Especially G?

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DBG hai, what do you think of the claims so far. I need some elderly insight

We’re so old we ask it for the same things twice?

Such old foagies we are

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Btw I have something to say. Math should not be allowed to guide this day phase after yesterday. Last time a town leader hard tunneled on day 1, I saw them singlehandedly cause a day 1, 2 and 3 mislim. That is not going to happen here. I don't care what math claims. Be it a cop or a RBer. He doesn't have the right to guide this day phase.

Cool.

Good thing mom is driving the day phase.

I am just doing her wishes.

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I swear to god. I am actually not gonna read anything if y'all just keep quoting long ass quote walls. I don't give two shits if it gets me killed. I have a nice big collection of day 1 lims anyways.

You don't have to read anything, just claim.

Noraa claimed VT

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VOTE: NORA

Interesting care to explain why?

Don’t get me wrong I like being this right on G+Nora but this is interesting to say the least.

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Out of curiosity why vote Nora and not G?

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Out of curiosity why vote Nora and not G?

you realize you are SRing your top two TRs of yesterday right?

Yep

Interesting how reads change when you’re proven wrong.
That’s a thing that happens.

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I could vote guil. I read today and could vote guil. not going to defend them anymore

Cool let’s see how today goes and who wants Nora and who wants G. One of whom is prolly town the other is probably scum based on wagon flow.

I am considering G being the world’s densest VT I just doubt it with the earlier crumb so I am okay with either wagon tbh

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Mom, do you have to have my claim now? I will< but id prefer not to

Right now would be nice

Also, let's pile on Guillotina

Its gonna be so wrong tho

Why’s that?

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Because im trying so hard

He kinda is.

Lemme ask my inner voice and meditate.

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I am considering G being the world’s densest VT I just doubt it with the earlier crumb so I am okay with either wagon tbh

he softed pr in his last town game where he was a vt.
not that I TR him but ur reasoning to SR is weak as fuck.

Moon logic complaint?

I think I kinda wanna stick with G here and hope someone takes a deep look at Nora.

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I is confuzzled

Rebooting system.

Recalibrating.

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Momblade fail. User is a guy.

Will stick to being MathBlade.

Thought some humor would liven up y’all’s night.

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im a parnoid gun owner

wtf is that

I think he’s hunting for it imho.

I think I know who it is.

Lemme double check.

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It’s a role that kills any visitor if they’re use their action. Usually X-shot

Not always X shot.

Depends on setup and balance needs.

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ANY action

Yep any action.

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Gee and I was t thinking Vig makes sense with my role, because it balances town

Gonna have to revisit this.

I think someone else might also be a PGO if you are
Which would be really weird.

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Just need to get that out of my system thanks

Such a Sherlock read lol

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How does this relate to PGO?

And I am a bit confused by Vax’s claim as I had in my notes someone else as a likely PGO.

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Gee and I was t thinking Vig makes sense with my role, because it balances town

Gonna have to revisit this.

I think someone else might also be a PGO if you are
Which would be really weird.

You expect a third killing role?

No I don’t. Either Vax or this other person are probably scum.

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Masons + Protecc + 2 Killy boos isnt awfully umbalanced considering how -ev PGO is

Oh man wait til you see my confusion.

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Gee and I was t thinking Vig makes sense with my role, because it balances town

Gonna have to revisit this.

I think someone else might also be a PGO if you are
Which would be really weird.

Are you counterclaiming?

Oh hell no I ain’t PGO.

I think someone else is though or PGO is a fake claim that someone prepared.

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Oh hell no I ain’t PGO.

I think someone else is though or PGO is a fake claim that someone prepared.

y don't u tell us who? no harm done in saying anyways. we might even catch scum.

No.

Because if they’re scum they have a fake claim and can 1v1 town.
And they may be town and I am overseeing things.

Would rather see if they CC Vax or not.

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Oh hell no I ain’t PGO.

I think someone else is though or PGO is a fake claim that someone prepared.

y don't u tell us who? no harm done in saying anyways. we might even catch scum.

No.

Because if they’re scum they have a fake claim and can 1v1 town.
And they may be town and I am overseeing things.

Would rather see if they CC Vax or not.

no differnce but ok

Huge difference.

I can read them by how they claim it.
Then can analyze Vax + ???? Side by Side.

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Wait Math why are you searching for PR softs anyway

It’s a good way to read people and see how they act on day open. Eg if someone claims protective but scumreads the likely kil the saved they’re probably scum.

Versus if someone flips reads there’s probably a good reason

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I search for PR softs as any alignment. It’s kinda dumb not to tbh.

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Would it possible for you guys to slow the fuck the down? I went to a movie and hung out with a friend for a couple hours and yall ran up 20+ pages.

I still really think this day 2 mass claim is a bad idea.

VOTE: DGB

I'll try and catch up with what I missed tonight, sometime in the morning if I can get some time away from work.

Really quick dumb question

PGO vig what fits what doesn’t and why? Can it all fit?

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Would it possible for you guys to slow the fuck the down? I went to a movie and hung out with a friend for a couple hours and yall ran up 20+ pages.

I still really think this day 2 mass claim is a bad idea.

VOTE: DGB

I'll try and catch up with what I missed tonight, sometime in the morning if I can get some time away from work.

Really quick dumb question

PGO vig what fits what doesn’t and why? Can it all fit?

I don't understand the question. I'm sorry. I'm dumber than what you're trying to ask.

In this game, do you think there is a PGO?
Do you think there is a Vig?

Could both work?

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Would it possible for you guys to slow the fuck the down? I went to a movie and hung out with a friend for a couple hours and yall ran up 20+ pages.

I still really think this day 2 mass claim is a bad idea.

VOTE: DGB

I'll try and catch up with what I missed tonight, sometime in the morning if I can get some time away from work.

Really quick dumb question

PGO vig what fits what doesn’t and why? Can it all fit?

Was this aimed at piggy?

Sure was.

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I want his opinion before he reads the game too far to try to get a raw response if pig is town

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im a parnoid gun owner

ANY action

Why didn't you claim this before EoD1?

Didn't you think a cop or a doctor could visit you and get killed? Not claiming this negative utility is scum indicative.

VOTE: Vaxkiller

You might just be town here

VOTE: Unvote

I need to think about things. I like that vote though.

But I don’t know if I like it because gut or bus or what.

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I am all kinda sad Pig disappeared though.

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im a parnoid gun owner

ANY action

Why didn't you claim this before EoD1?

Didn't you think a cop or a doctor could visit you and get killed? Not claiming this negative utility is scum indicative.

VOTE: Vaxkiller

I’d say a minimum a crumb yeah.

But I am concerned about Pig vanishing who did seem to be crumbing PGO.

Pedit lol ahhh didn’t know what PGO is okay weird

Could be I am looking too much into this one

Since they disappeared I expected them to CC Vax or react and go “wait that’s me” or something.

363 says paranoid
Then there’s a later post mentioning me and guns blazing D1.

Is PGO a fake claim or scum power or something?

Thoughts y’all?

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G if you’re town I am really sorry

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im a parnoid gun owner

ANY action

Why didn't you claim this before EoD1?

Didn't you think a cop or a doctor could visit you and get killed? Not claiming this negative utility is scum indicative.

VOTE: Vaxkiller

You might just be town here

VOTE: Unvote

I need to think about things. I like that vote though.

But I don’t know if I like it because gut or bus or what.

You must be a very bad player as scum, so you must be town here. Unless you are just playing dumb.

Who in their right mind, bus their PGO wolf partner?

If I was wolf I wouldn't let that guy claim PGO, imagine the baiting wolves can do with such ability? Town PRs would drop like flies.

No, PGOs have the OBLIGATION to claim before EoD1 and if they don't and are found out, they gotta get yeeted because noone is gonna go check the PGO to find out if he is telling the truth or not, hence my vote.

I am actually way better as scum than town tbh.

I used to have hard and fast rules for what town should do
Then had two PRs claim VT unprompted the prior day then be actual PRs. Almost won that game too but man there were some shit plays.

I agree it’s shit.

Do the math G.

I am assuming you can subtract here. Combine that with your first few sentences.

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Ok, I'll stop dodging prods and post some reads. (sorry, work has been crazy recently since we were hit by a crippling cyber attack)

Dripping - Focused very much on norraa. He seems really determined to catch her in some sort of slip. Could easily be scum pushing a vocal target.

Flea - I wish you'd stop using so many spoiler tags. It makes it easy to miss the content of your posts, which are pretty good. Early posting looks like honest scum hunting. Town for now.

Horse - Pretty content barren so far (i know, i'm a pot pointing at the kettle) and wihtout Guillotina pushing back we might not have gotten anymore form Horse. Null to scum.

Virgo - So far looks like a good scumhunter. Like the push on Horse. Someone I'd be comfortable keeping around. Town so far.

Llama - Kind of disappeared after attacking Virgo for going after Horse which is sketch. What was so wrong with Virgo's read on horse? Not looking good

Noelim - do you have anything to contribute darling? (pot kettle once again, yes) I'd like to see more scrutiny from others on you.

Toog - I'm fine with any votes for horse. But the early serious vote smells of bussing. Then again maybe I'm just

paranoid.

With all that said I'm going to VOTE: NoElim for now. maybe pressure you into some content.

Those are the reads I feel strongly amount so far. Sorry for my lack of posting so far. I'll work on that.

@Jackson bold is mine.

A future post in their iso has guns blazing

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Makes me wonder if you were coached by Vax here.

Or maybe the entire scum team is a pgo.

That’d be a really good combat against what I know to be true that isn’t in thread.

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im a parnoid gun owner

ANY action

Why didn't you claim this before EoD1?

Didn't you think a cop or a doctor could visit you and get killed? Not claiming this negative utility is scum indicative.

VOTE: Vaxkiller

You might just be town here

VOTE: Unvote

I need to think about things. I like that vote though.

But I don’t know if I like it because gut or bus or what.

You must be a very bad player as scum, so you must be town here. Unless you are just playing dumb.

Who in their right mind, bus their PGO wolf partner?

If I was wolf I wouldn't let that guy claim PGO, imagine the baiting wolves can do with such ability? Town PRs would drop like flies.

No, PGOs have the OBLIGATION to claim before EoD1 and if they don't and are found out, they gotta get yeeted because noone is gonna go check the PGO to find out if he is telling the truth or not, hence my vote.

I am actually way better as scum than town tbh.

I used to have hard and fast rules for what town should do
Then had two PRs claim VT unprompted the prior day then be actual PRs. Almost won that game too but man there were some shit plays.

I agree it’s shit.

Do the math G.

I am assuming you can subtract here. Combine that with your first few sentences.

No I can't substract. I never went to school, in fact I'm not writing here, I just think words and they materialize on my screen. Otherwise I would be screwed.

Hahahahahahahahaha

Funny.

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VOTE: Vaxkiller

Sheeping mama ranger.

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Momrangal sorry phone autocorrect is bad

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Noraa- camper
Marky Mark- camper
Toogeloo killed night 1 was a camper
DrippingGoofball-???
Flea the Magician-???
AGamblingPig-???
Mathblade-???
Guillotina- camper
JacksonVirgo- N1 vig
Infinity 324- ???
Momrangal- mason
Horsewoman eliminated d1 was a camper
Vaxkiller-PGO

were to heavy on VTs imo

One might be the protective.

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Makes me wonder if you were coached by Vax here.

Wait, you think I'm scum with Vax?

I think it’s quite possible yes.

Your posting has been few and far between which makes the PGO claim likely maybe a scum team benefit.

Then if one of you dies the benefit goes away. That’s how I would design it if I was a mod.

Between that and how your posting was I am thinking you were coached then if an investigative or other role hit you and died you could fake claim it.

It’s just a hunch I have no way of proving and may be moon logic.

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Actually I think Math is Town now and I cannot explain why, so don't ask.

It’s because I put spaces between my paragraphs isn’t it?

Those darn spaces give me away.

Rats.

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Actually I think Math is Town now and I cannot explain why, so don't ask.

It’s because I put spaces between my paragraphs isn’t it?

Those darn spaces give me away.

Rats.

Yep that's it 100%

Only confirmed Town does that

Sucks to be good huh?

Clearly it does. Go back and read day start where you sussed me vig you. See if you can see why I said what I did.

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Infinity needs to go next.

I can see that. Mama ranger?

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Infinity needs to go next.

Infinity’s next

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Nevermind don't guide me I found it

Cool. I am all outta tours anyway. I am a crappy guide and am really obvious lol

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So did guillo lol

G claimed VT eventually

You’re up dude

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I claimed VT

Derp I missed it thanks

DGB you got what you need?

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Kekeke

Papa ranger papa ranger where are you?

Right here mama ranger, getting ready for work.

G lemme know when you want my crumbs.

And at least one of us is mason+ btw.

Gonna let mama say what we should out when.

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I find it hard to post in a car so I’ll post soon, I’ve read that there was a premature masonry claim though

Correct mom claimed mason. G pointed it out and I know her and that it’s probably not fake.

Mason partner likely is going to hide it or not claim as horse should 100% be the wagon to avoid outing them if scum haven’t already figured out who is their natural ranger as a mason partner.

^^

Our flavor is ranger. The extra R is meant to look like a typo.

Made us suspicious of Marky Mark earlier so we checked him out with mason+ and his claim seems up and up so likely conf or at least is a goon scum. Based on play very likely town. Why we made him claim first.

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Kekeke

Papa ranger papa ranger where are you?

Right here mama ranger, getting ready for work.

G lemme know when you want my crumbs.

And at least one of us is mason+ btw.

Gonna let mama say what we should out when.

You claiming the second Mason correct?

Not claiming I am.

There’s also another crumb as well with second place and I make a big deal about it. I am the second mason. Because of mason+ literally anyone was better than Mom so you’re right I did come to Mom’s rescue and the opening was stupid.

I was baiting Nora into attacking me so she’d realize I am mason and back off.

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Kekeke

Papa ranger papa ranger where are you?

Right here mama ranger, getting ready for work.

G lemme know when you want my crumbs.

And at least one of us is mason+ btw.

Gonna let mama say what we should out when.

You claiming the second Mason correct?

Not claiming I am.

There’s also another crumb as well with second place and I make a big deal about it. I am the second mason. Because of mason+ literally anyone was better than Mom so you’re right I did come to Mom’s rescue and the opening was stupid.

I was baiting Nora into attacking me so she’d realize I am mason and back off.

I am not claiming mason. I AM mason.

Punctuation unclear

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Imagine if some fake mass claimed and they had a lie detector ability instead. That would be great to have now.

I can dream...

I mean go for it.

We have a PT one of us has a gun due to our plus nature. We check green.

When I reached out to you thinking you were cop I literally told you I had a PT.

Not sure what you think is “fake”.

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It’s just highly unlikely you’re a cop and would be given a smack down.

So if you wanna keep down this road go ahead.

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Camper is the vt flavor. Were rangers

+1 of the park variety

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Marky: VT
Guillotina: VT
JV: vig
Mara: mason
Noraa: VT
Flea: mystery
Vax: X shot PGO

Happy scum day DGB!!!!

Still wanna come at me Nora? Still think I am scum?

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And I was hard TRing DGB as the other mason lol. This was based on mom FOSing everyone on her wagon other than DGB and DGB's vote on mom looking like a low-risk distance (this is before 3 players then piled on top of it to take the wagon to E-2).

I'm guessing that one of the masons watched/rolecopped me or something last night

With all this in mind, Math is v likely town (2 scum claiming masons together would be v bold), so infin/vax are my top SRs right now but will keep the policy vote on pig until we've wrapped up the massclaim

Lol I just said that a sec ago. XD

Vax I get infinity I don’t.

Explain Infinity to me.

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I mean its wrong and you know deep within your very soul it is.

*looks at the time, then grabs an irish coffee* Tis the season and all that

Hmm does Santa have a sack, a basket, or a sleigh in this image of Santa you have?

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Should I claim now? I've been holding it in for so long I'm about to piss my pants.

Go for it.

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I mean its wrong and you know deep within your very soul it is.

*looks at the time, then grabs an irish coffee* Tis the season and all that

Hmm does Santa have a sack, a basket, or a sleigh in this image of Santa you have?

All of the above.
Sack to keep captured fae in, sleigh to store the sacks while the basket stores the snacks.

But if you only have two hands what would you hold day/night one?

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VOTE: AgamblingPig

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Coached by Vax prolly. Or someone who crumbs. I am a okay with this.

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G,Vax,Pig?

G tries to discredit masons and crumbing style similar.
Vax claims PGO unsure what else to do
Pig just wants to lurk it out

Not sure on G he may be town but pig+Vax is a good start I think

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There's no other explanation, right?

There could be but they would definitely be a tomorrow thing.

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I considered the possibility that someone protected the scum's target which would have confirmed the target as town, but I don't see how this could have happened given the claims.

Yep unless the protective claimed VT which will be sussed out.

Pig being killer is MUCH more likely given Vax’s claim.

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VOTE: unvote

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But I wanna vote tooooo

You can has vote I’ll stay off I will keep moon logicking.

Marky Mark why did you say ranger at the start of d1?

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It’s just highly unlikely you’re a cop and would be given a smack down.

So if you wanna keep down this road go ahead.

I never said i was a cop.

I claimed VT (camper)

Yes...but you heavily implied you’re fake claiming.

So I was going back to what was a likely crumb.

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Camper is the vt flavor. Were rangers

It’s just highly unlikely you’re a cop and would be given a smack down.

So if you wanna keep down this road go ahead.

Stop dodging the question.

Just answer YES or NO, Math.

Are You Town Aligned?

Yes I am.

I am working I can’t respond that fast ffs

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Jeeze that was like pulling teeth... never mind crumbs I dropped the entire damn bakery!

Sorry had to make sure you weren’t impostor Santa.

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*finger cracking*

Lets freaking do this.

Spoiler: 2

Get used to these, amma do my thang here.

Hi I'm new go easy

VOTE: DGB sure

Is this an alt?

Btw I am super gutted about the flavour. I thought it was going to be the town as bears with guns and the scum as the park rangers (like Yogie Bear kinda)

Unlucky there booboo! No pinching of the a pic-a-nic baskets for yoou! (☆Θ艸Θ)

MINE

You betrayed poor Nero :c

Therefore you must be scum!

I approve of this logic (•́⌄•́๑)૭✧

Alright, someone do the protown thing and create something dumb and artificial to get us out of RVS

You just did.

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I can't even bear this game anymore, it's too dead :c

THEN PUT SOME LIFE INTO IT! ARE YOU A MAD DOCTOR OR NOT!?

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I believe you've hit a bearier when you
cannot understand my bearfaced bear puns, what an embearassing revelation for you.

Go eat some Strawbearies and hope to gain some grip on your unbearable reality.

Get in the bin.

I can't even bear this game anymore, it's too dead :c

Apologies for needing to sleep Anyways, I thought you'd be appreciating a slower-paced game after the whirlwind that was Bending

Sleep is for scum. VOTE: Markiplier

I did want to drive the game forward but I didn't (and don't) have any reads this early so I hoped someone else would do it for me

Ooof. (ʘᗩʘ')

Trying to get the game to progress out of RVS/apathy stage is absolutely a pro-town mindset

⌈O ▂▂ O⌉

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JacksonVirgo, how much do you actually think Horsewoman is scum, and how much is your vote for pressure's sake?

Me answering this question would immediately remove all of the pressure if my vote

is

for pressure and what's even the use of this question?

Agreed.

Fine, I'll go through both possibilities before you answer then. I would have rather had it the other way round so I could have a better understanding of your perspective first, but *shrug*

In 68, Horsewoman says she doesn't have any reads yet. This means she probably won't have much to offer when pressured. So why does JV choose to pressure there right afterwards? It's a lead doomed to dry up, since Horsewoman has already said she's come up short of any reads. A pressure vote there makes little sense as a result, and I'm not sure why JV chose to push there right after seeing evidence that it wouldn't lead to much.

So I thought JV might actually think Horsewoman is scum. But based on what's been posted so far I'm not seeing it. My gut reaction to Horsewoman's posts has been town, and the evidence against her in 71 is fairly baseline - it's a lot about what town SHOULD be doing, but not really evidence that Horsewoman IS SCUM.

So tl;dr I don't think JV's vote makes much sense from any town perspective and is kind of doing the exact thing Horsewoman is being accused of: creating 'content' that won't actually go anywhere.

VOTE: JacksonVirgo

This is interesting, as we're now in a loop. For D1 page whatever we're on this sounds far too certain. and more votes that are "doomed to dry up"

I'm going to head off to sleep now but I'm gonna say a few words before I do.

Llama's "read-fishing" strikes me as strange to ask as Town, it's like they're trying to fake content and see if my vote is real or otherwise to see if they can start pushing there as well. Either that or they trying to gauge the collective read on their buddy (and whether or not it's just for pressure) though that one is kinda weird to do objectively and I doubt they'd be that blatant as scumbuddies but it's a weird interaction nonetheless. Horse was blatantly trying to sap the town-cred from their posts by saying it's absolutely pro-town to hide behind the efforts of other players by claiming to have involved themselves with pushing the game out of RVS. Both are individually scummy but I'm trying to get a feel of whether Llama's post lead to them being possibly aligned or otherwise.

@Horse and @Llama

, do you have scum/town games under your belt and if so can you link a few?

Your other posts are ++TR but asking for meta on pg4 strikes me as a bit forced - particularly as this is nothing something I recall you doing in our 2 previous games together where you were town

Meta is trash!

VOTE: Llamamamamamamamamamamamamamamamaamamama

You mean this one?

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Camper is the vt flavor. Were rangers

It’s just highly unlikely you’re a cop and would be given a smack down.

So if you wanna keep down this road go ahead.

Stop dodging the question.

Just answer YES or NO, Math.

Are You Town Aligned?

Yes I am.

I am working I can’t respond that fast ffs

Bah, i wanted you to be scum.

If i was at my homesite i would have FPS this, but i pulled a terrible one in another game here and i dont wanna fuck up this one and get blacklisted.

So, yah.

I'm a camper

and if the mason's play is a scum play, i will personally nominate it as best scum play of the year.

I’ll sheep you.

VOTE: Pig

Let me be blunt.

I literally cited a game where scum tried this same thing to shade the mason claim.

Give me a good reason to believe you’re town here.

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I'm the doctor and I protected Vax.

I doubted the PGO claim because I should have died. But if I got blocked, that would explain why I'm still alive.

Lol doctor who doesn’t protect mason claim.

You can die.

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Wait what happened to the kill then? You think we have another protective?

Infinity it’s a likely bad fake claim lol.

If it’s not we run into G+JV with G wanting to shade us and JV just doing the kill.

They couldn’t shade us and the latter I am not concerned about because DGB blocks G tonight since they are VT, mom does a thing and I do a thing and we’re good. And that thing may be stay home because powerless or it may be do a thing because mason+

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I mean literally in that game it has town being stupid with claims
Vax could qualify for that.

It has scum trying to take advantage to avoid a scum wagon (Fl+Outer) and (you+Pig)

Like G please give me a good reason to believe you’re town here.

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Camper is the vt flavor. Were rangers

It’s just highly unlikely you’re a cop and would be given a smack down.

So if you wanna keep down this road go ahead.

Stop dodging the question.

Just answer YES or NO, Math.

Are You Town Aligned?

Yes I am.

I am working I can’t respond that fast ffs

Bah, i wanted you to be scum.

If i was at my homesite i would have FPS this, but i pulled a terrible one in another game here and i dont wanna fuck up this one and get blacklisted.

So, yah.

I'm a camper

and if the mason's play is a scum play, i will personally nominate it as best scum play of the year.

I’ll sheep you.

VOTE: Pig

Let me be blunt.

I literally cited a game where scum tried this same thing to shade the mason claim.

Give me a good reason to believe you’re town here.

Because you literally citing a game where scum tried to shade a mason claim is exactly what I would do if i fake claimed mason and strong town read players contested it, if i was scum, that is high level WIFOM. Dude, i've been playing this since the 90's, since way before you new generations started calling it Mafia, in fact when i started playing this game again as mafia now, i thought werewolves and mafia were two different games where mafia was a plagiarized version of werewolves. Im so dumb lol.

Anyways, the point is that i have seen a lot of power fake claiming in my life that i dont think a mason fake claim under the right circumstances is unlikely.

Unfortunately im just a camper, if i was a PR i would check you to confirm.

You strongly believed Horsewoman was scum, she is dead and she was town. I hesitated she was and you built a scum case against me because of such hesitation, you are pushing to yeet me now. I will flip camper and then tomorrow you'll change the narrative to justify your trash pushes.

You are either scum or bad as town.

I dont care if you believe me if im town or not, my flip will make you believe it and should this be my legacy.

Check Math/Mom/Infinity

Just to make sure.

...You realize Pig should be the elim today right?
What doctor doesn’t heal a mason claim?

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How would it affect your noraa read if I told you that she definitely focuses/plays serious as scum?

That reminds me,
@guillo: How would it affect your read on mark if I told you he got limmed d1 in his only scum game on site?

I would tell you what I've told everyone here already. I don't believe in meta.

I believe and judge based on actions in this game.

Also, I townread Momrangal and she claimed Mason. I'm not voting there.

I don't think she'd risk claiming Mason when nobody has claimed and risked getting counterclaimed by the actual Masons if they exist here.

Stop digging and vote pig already lol. It ends the day faster for you.

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Camper is the vt flavor. Were rangers

It’s just highly unlikely you’re a cop and would be given a smack down.

So if you wanna keep down this road go ahead.

Stop dodging the question.

Just answer YES or NO, Math.

Are You Town Aligned?

Yes I am.

I am working I can’t respond that fast ffs

Bah, i wanted you to be scum.

If i was at my homesite i would have FPS this, but i pulled a terrible one in another game here and i dont wanna fuck up this one and get blacklisted.

So, yah.

I'm a camper

and if the mason's play is a scum play, i will personally nominate it as best scum play of the year.

I’ll sheep you.

VOTE: Pig

You quit sheeping me in the span of a few posts.

C’mon already. Seriously.

Like I get it you gotta try but still.

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Pig didn’t even change or vote Vax when he shoulda had a guilty before the RB claim.

Pig isn’t doctor lol.

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In fact, is your vote still on Pig? @Math

No I am saving it to avoid quick elim and hammer when ready.

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So you'll lynch confirmed town over a claim that doesn't add up. Ok.

Momrangal, im consistent with my actions. You claimed mason and as policy dictates i didnt vote to yeet you.

Math claimed mason and Pig claimed doctor. DOCTOR!!!!

A doctor claim supersedes a mason claim! Just like your only claim on D1 superseded anyone that was unclaimed.

The doctor outranks anyone and won’t get yeeted today, not by me.

That’s like ...not a thing lol.

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I can understand DBGs paranoia read on you

why?

50/50 sure mom’s wrong here and I will help her out overnight.

Let it go you two. <3

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I can understand DBGs paranoia read on you

why?

50/50 sure mom’s wrong here and I will help her out overnight.

Let it go you two. <3

you think I'm scum right?

I think it’s possible but not probable

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Gun to my head it’s G Vax and Pig

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I think it’s possible but not probable

you were furiously pushing it for the longest time. did I miss something?
Ya ran around saying I was scum with guillo all of today.

More of a who shades the masons as town and who does it as scum.

You not continuing the push is sus, and if I am wrong on Vax I would look back at you.

Because it’s possible it’s just G+Pig and G told Pig to include those words like he did cop to try to bait PRs into responding and Vax is town.

Just more likely G+Pig+Vax

No way someone does crumbs like that for roles they don’t have in the exact same way without communication when one is a newb.

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So, just thinking this through for due diligence. What are the scenarios where pig could legit be a doctor?

-Scum killed toog last night and JV is either lying or just also targeted toog
-scum targeted Vax and also role blocked them to stop the pgo and pig protected them?!?
-scum submitted no kill last night
-there are multiple protectives

Like I'm genuinely struggling to imagine a gamestate that would work if pig is telling the truth. The first of the above is most plausible, but still seems like an odd nk choice

Roleblocker would be dead. Second option fails.

It’s really likely pig is scum here. Let’s evaluate Pig town if Pig town not before. If he’s town he’s demonstrated worse than vanilla as he doesn’t understand who to protect.

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I've thought about Jacko's claim and its actually really bad. Think about it ... there's no double kill and he's only one shot .....

what a big coincidence :/

More than likely it’s a true one shot claim and alignment is the thing to be sorted.

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If Pig flips scum here then almost certainly DGB and JV are town here by claim and mechanics.
That’d be one hell of a bus from DGB and not in its meta.

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I've thought about Jacko's claim and its actually really bad. Think about it ... there's no double kill and he's only one shot .....

what a big coincidence :/

But presumably risky to blind claim that if scum given the likelihood in this flavour of there being some sort of town vig who would cc

Would be good to see the rest of the claims tho so that we can try and see if the town pr stack looks balanced (please feel free to disagree if I'm missing something here)

--pedit yeah I think pig being scum is the most likely scenario hut clearly good to use the time we have to think it through

You’re missing something here.

Let’s get pig and sort the rest later

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I've thought about Jacko's claim and its actually really bad. Think about it ... there's no double kill and he's only one shot .....

what a big coincidence :/

More than likely it’s a true one shot claim and alignment is the thing to be sorted.

vig cannot be scum so idk what ur saying

It’s a theme. Vig can be scum albeit unlikely

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It’s a theme. Vig can be scum albeit unlikely

no they can't. I thought vigs could only be town? the wiki says that :/

Wiki only applies to normal games. This is a theme.

MarkyMark it is antitown to answer that.

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It's such a weird fakeclaim is my only concern. Like why doesn't one of his scumbuddies claim doc to try to save him or something? And why claim doc on vax?

PEdit: I think JV is ++town on play.

They can’t likely. Because of the order. It’s partially why we did it like that. We have method to madness.

Fake claim was prolly to try to quick elim/bus (not sure which) Vax to save pig

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Granted I really think JV is town, but it’s still mechanically possible. It would be bad of me to lie and say it wasn’t when it is.

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Why are we opening the can of worms scum possibly having two kills

It was mentioned so I am adequately refuting while trying to maintain their feelings.

DGB Block G would probably be my suggestion. However you’re your own person.

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Wiki only applies to normal games. This is a theme.

O so scum pigs are possible?!
HOLY FUCK THATS BATSHIT INSANE

What’s guaranteed is the mod won’t lie to you.

My role for example would not be normal due to some issues. I won’t say more than that other than Mason+

However the mod did not lie to me

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Let’s elim scum!Pig shall we?

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I would TR pig less than DGB/JV anyway even aside from the doc claim and DGB's info on them so I'm cool with that.

I'm still racking my head to try and think through if DGB could be scum here framing pig. Eg, if DGB was scum roleblocker then they could idk block pig against the PGO (if that's even real). But then how do we explain the lack of NK??

Yeah, this is melting my brain somewhat, having not played a game before with such complex PR interactions (don't be fooled by my join date) but I'm cool with taking scum!pig as the likeliest explanation here

Simplest answer is usually the right one. Vote pig if you’re not and then I will hammer if it’s in range and if that is it’s cool.

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Flea if you’re town, the best thing you can do is visit Vax. Yes you may die but then it confirms PGO claim. Gives a bit of clarity there. Other PRs can’t for obvious reasons. If I you don’t I understand but it would go a long way towards sorting Vax.

DGB block G or who you think could be a third Not Vax though.

Anyone else hang on to your camping gear.

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Couldn’t vax be a scum PGO?

Yes it is possible but then a protective etc knows not to visit him. Then Vax de facto if town goes to the end of the game. It locks him into it and saves investigative PRs later and acts like a localized role cop

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It’s a risky play so I understand if Flea doesn’t do it, but I would declare it here and ffs don’t block Flea DGB obvi

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OH LOOK A REACTION FINALLY

Some of us are lucky enough to still have jobs in spite of this awful pandemic.

Like me. But yeah it’s not the rate Mom it’s the just overall bad content with what time pig has had.

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Votecount 2.5

[4]AGamblingPig:

Flea the Magician, Marky Mark, Infinity 32, Momrangal

[2]Noraa:

JacksonVirgo, Vaxkiller

[1]Vaxkiller:

Guillotina

[1]ADrippingGoofball:

AGamblingPig

[3] Not Voting:

Noraa, DrippingGoofball, Mathblade

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.

The elimination deadline is in (expired on 2021-01-01 11:36:20).

Who wants to be the hero we need?

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Gun to my head it’s G Vax and Pig

Then shoot yourself.

This really skirts the line of appropriate whatever your alignment. I suggest stepping away from the keyboard and taking a chill pill.

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1) Claim is unsubstantiated
2) Claim doesn’t make mechanical sense for town to do
3) Was roleblocked and missing scum kill claim didn’t come til after

It’s obviously a ploy to try to stay alive.

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If Pig flips scum here then almost certainly DGB and JV are town here by claim and mechanics.
That’d be one hell of a bus from DGB and not in its meta.

Ah yes effectively 4 masons is very neat in a 13p (I think this is 13p)

Forgot Marky Mark who is conf vanilla (could be scum but very doubtful same as you).

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Gun to my head it’s G Vax and Pig

Then shoot yourself.

This really skirts the line of appropriate whatever your alignment. I suggest stepping away from the keyboard and taking a chill pill.

No, you said gun to your head Im scum with Vax and Pig. I'm town, you are wrong, you die.

It’s a phrase meaning if I have to decide right now the team.

G+Nora + Pig also a thing.

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Flea is also conf fruit vendor. Alignment prob town. Hope he nukes himself to check Vax.

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Ok so by guillo logic if math is scum here then mom is also scum as she is verifying him as her fellow mason. Is this what you think guillo, because I didn't really get the vibe from you yesterday that you thought mom was scum post-claim?

--pedit: I still think infin is an underrated choice for third scum alongside pig and vax if we are talking solves

I think that’s something that can be solved later I was just spitballing here while awaiting a hero to be 5th on Pig.

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1) Claim is unsubstantiated
2) Claim doesn’t make mechanical sense for town to do
3) Was roleblocked and missing scum kill claim didn’t come til after

It’s obviously a ploy to try to stay alive.

1) Momrangal claim was unsubstantiated too, we had no reason to save her besides believing in her claim! As policy dictates!

2) Yah? And pushing to yeet a claim doctor over a claim PGO makes more sense? A doctor can sort itself out during the night, the PGO can only be sorted via day elimination.

HAS ANOTHER PLAYER COUNTERCLAIMED?

If not we have to believe the doctor claim is real and let it sort out during the night!

3) How do you know Pig was roleblocked?

I substantiate it.
Yes. It does
DGB claimed it.

Intent to hammer

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VOTE: AGamblingPig

I believe I earned this beautiful hammer.

Yes you have.

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Did I not hammer?

I think you did just I posted same time

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Wow you’re so focused on tunneling a mason you quit reading.

If you’re town get your shit in gear.

I don’t think you are but maybe you’ll surprise me.

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I believe it was a fruit vendor. I wonder if scum were worried about a protective, as the protective was supposed to claim VT.

If it was fruit vendor then DGB blocked the kill.

If Vax is not PGO then scum killed Flea to prevent Flea from outing Vax.

I wanna know who DGB blocked before continuing.

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If faer was fruit vendor (imho faer was) and Vax is PGO should have had two kills*

Ugh sorry multitasking holiday stuff.

Could be but then we’re missing the mafia kill which DGB woulda blocked.

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I think G is town because reasons.