Mini 2186: Pokemon Battles [GAME OVER]

[jjh927]

Again, you were at 3 votes, Vax was at 4. That's a classic time to bus

[jjh927]

I've been wondering why you're still on the defensive, ngl
You won't be able to dispute my attack while I live

[jjh927]

Attacking yourself would have been better
I haven't heard you doubt my claim at all and I would kinda expect that? Because if I'm scum it stands that I would have had to have caused the 3 damage somehow

[jjh927]

Not anyone, just you

[jjh927]

I'm not the sort to JUST say "After I flip please flip X"

I need to establish that, following my flip, my argument will have sufficient credibility such that people will flip X

[jjh927]

You have ONLY defended

[jjh927]

The last few pages from you have been about how you are very towny for doing things or trying to refute my arguments

[jjh927]

To say you are not on the defensive is a flat out lie

[jjh927]

Find me a post that isn't one of the following:

I wouldn't do X as scum
The thing that you are saying makes no sense
Why would I do X as scum?
I did X and this makes me town
You are just scum trying to eliminate me to save yourself

[jjh927]

The ones from the last few pages are from 1811 onwards
of these,
1811, 1816, and 1834 are all Type 5 (You are just scum trying to eliminate me to save yourself)

I don't think 1836 falls into one of my categories but I also don't think it's a very impactful post anyhow

[jjh927]

lol I just noticed
Do you think scum!Vax doesn't know I was slakoth

[jjh927]

My name is Slakoth. I'm as old as Gen 3. My turf is in the northeast section of Petalburg Woods, where all the bug catchers are, and I am not married. I do not work, and I spend all of my time at home. I don't smoke or drink. I'm in bed for most of the day, and make sure I get 20 hours of sleep, no matter what. After eating 3 leaves before going to bed, I usually have no problems sleeping until morning. Just like a working adult, I wake up with fatigue and stress in the morning, but I then continue to sleep until the evening. I was told they hope to see me again at my last check-up. I'm trying to explain that I'm a person who wishes to live a very quiet life. I take care not to trouble myself with any enemies, like winning and losing, that would cause me to lose sleep at night. That is how I deal with society, and I know that is what brings me happiness. Although, if I were to fight I wouldn't lose to anyone.

[jjh927]

If I'm scum, the scum PT would be plastered with the yoshikage kira copypasta I made when Ali gave me a role PM where I couldn't fight and it made me think of how the yoshikage kira copypasta mentions not fighting

[jjh927]

Lazyness is my current playstyle with some exceptions for weekends

[jjh927]

My name is Slakoth. I'm as old as Gen 3. My turf is in the northeast section of Petalburg Woods, where all the bug catchers are, and I am not married. I do not work, and I spend all of my time at home. I don't smoke or drink. I'm in bed for most of the day, and make sure I get 20 hours of sleep, no matter what. After eating 3 leaves before going to bed, I usually have no problems sleeping until morning. Just like a working adult, I wake up with fatigue and stress in the morning, but I then continue to sleep until the evening. I was told they hope to see me again at my last check-up. I'm trying to explain that I'm a person who wishes to live a very quiet life. I take care not to trouble myself with any enemies, like winning and losing, that would cause me to lose sleep at night. That is how I deal with society, and I know that is what brings me happiness. Although, if I were to fight I wouldn't lose to anyone.

[jjh927]

I achieve high efficiency through high accuracy and low effort
This is my way now

[jjh927]

Can people on my wagon currently either confirm that my flip will be sufficient to support my arguments leading ot a Twins flip, or otherwise converse with me about this scenario

[jjh927]

What are you failing to understand

[jjh927]

I am confident they are the reason you took 3 damage

[jjh927]

It is definitely not catboi and if you vote there I will look harshly upon you from the dead thread

Titus is probably cleared as a result of commuting N2 when there was a scumkill

[jjh927]

Because scum

[jjh927]

Scum want to kill all the town
Why would scum!Twins not deal damage

[jjh927]

Did anything happen to you last night?

[jjh927]

Actually that's not even worth considering

Scum did the 3 damage attack on Smoke and Mirrors

You can't use 2 moves in one night
Qed

[jjh927]

All things being said, 3 is still the magic number in that it is the amount of damage that was taken in the night phase by Smoke and Mirrors

How does this or the tackle thing relate to your read on the twins?

Twins have a tackle attack that does 3 damage in battle. They have claimed it does not have an out of battle effect for night phase

[jjh927]

I am Pikachu!!! (Surprise Surprise!)




My power is that whoever visits me at night has a 50% chance of becoming paralyzed!

Some evil person visited me last night and took away 3 HP points and I am ready to THUNDERBOLT them whenever I can.

but I haven't learned thunderbolt yet

[jjh927]

Did anything happen to you last night?

Could have been a roleblock or something not noticable

Yeah, there is one scenario
Red could have roleblocked you

[jjh927]

But I think it'd be crazy for Titus to have claimed to have commuted if she in fact did not do that and instead attacked smoke and mirrors with some extra move we don't know about and to have only got away with it because Red used a roleblock cloned from dead scum to target the one person who actually targeted her that night

[jjh927]

so she is functionally clear

[jjh927]

Yeah

I'm glad I've efforted here because there've been a lot of mechanics to clear up

[jjh927]

JJ, if I join you on Twins and it's wrong we can elim you tomorrow?

It's always an option

I'm hesitant to give you permission

[jjh927]

I believe my death lowers town winrate and there are other ways of clearing me

[jjh927]

Apparently I'm the only one who can untangle the mechanics of this game

[jjh927]

Top 4 ways in order of reliability;
1. Flip the last scum
2. Roleblock me
3. Try to battle with me; it will not be possible
4. I will happily be paralyzed because this will allow me to spend more time lying down

[jjh927]

Just for clarification since I think you might misunderstand the argument; Twins have denied having an ability to cause someone damage at night. I just think that is a highly likely ability for tackle to have

[jjh927]

Although, since you're here, could you clarify exactly what form the damage took?

[jjh927]

Was this a PM saying you took 3 damage in the night? Was there any more info than that?

Or was this a battle?

[jjh927]

Yes, I believe Twins is most likely to be the attacker

[jjh927]

Can't you check your PMs?

[jjh927]

Can't you check your PMs?

[jjh927]

Refreshing in anticipation

[jjh927]

Battle thread?

[jjh927]

As in, the one from after day 2? But before night 3?

[jjh927]

When did it happen, what description was given, and why does only pooky know about it?

[jjh927]

Exactly, most things should be handled via PM to the hydra account

[jjh927]

Also the timing is strange? After the battle but before the night?

[jjh927]

I don't need this level of doubt

[jjh927]

I just reqlized something

In theoretical scenario where I'm scum here how do I target pooky and kill red

Because I am assuming the factional scumkill is in addition to any night action from moves.

[jjh927]

I don't need this level of doubt

So ask me earlier I had plenty of time to find this out before now.

Yeah but if you took damage there's gotta be something in your PMs

[jjh927]

Why don't you ask Firebringer or Alisae

[jjh927]

or just get Pooky to pop on for 5 minutes idk

[jjh927]

It would be a PM titled N2 results or something similar

[jjh927]

unless it really did happen inbetween twilight and night

[jjh927]

Is the timestamp for Firebringer saying your health got reduced in between these two posts?

We are now in twilight and we will resume onto night once all battles have concluded. Deadline in 24 hours.

Night has begun Deadline is in (expired on 2021-01-20 17:25:25)

[jjh927]

I really don't feel confident about Twins any more. . .

[jjh927]

Ugh

[jjh927]

Why did you leave out that you evolved

[jjh927]

and what was your first move

[jjh927]

okay hi i skipped the last 5 pages

whats up

We're right next to deadline and something I considered a pivotal fact in my case on Twins is dismantling itself in slow motion

[jjh927]

Tell pooky to eat faster because we have 30 minutes and I want to reach some conclusions

[jjh927]

Like, right now, the 3 damage still adds up and it might just be slightly less simple than I thought

but I can very much see the scenario where this leads in a completely different direction and we aren't gonna have enough time to think it all through

[jjh927]

Honestly it could still be exactly as simple as I thought

[jjh927]

the battle happened before N2

[jjh927]

Did it happen after N2, or after the battle but before N2?

[jjh927]

I think I'm gonna hold on Twins regardless of the answer now but honestly this has really reminded me that I am not infallible and I don't feel great about anything any more

[jjh927]

Cat, I think it's worth you roleblocking me, ngl

If the game doesn't end with Twins flip, then I'm definitely a candidate for the next day's lynch, so it shouldn't make too much difference even if they shoot you to get rid of us both
This way loses the least

[jjh927]

Lowering the value of the double kill is optimal.

[jjh927]

Raya, you should fight someone who has claimed the names of their moves, since the names of moves are revealed in the combat

[jjh927]

That way you can confirm their claim to some degree if you don't kill them

[jjh927]

although actually, if we hit twins here the only real options in the first place are infinity, smoke, misty, and I can't say I'd go for any of them

[jjh927]

Oh boy I sure hope that the game ends in 10 minutes because it's gonna be a mess if not

Pedit: guessing chemist is almost out of health

[jjh927]

I should have changed my picks when Ali told us all the game was gonna be less optimistically designed
Keeping slakoth as my top pick was basically asking for the laziest role pm ever

[jjh927]

delibird or voltorb would have been funny

I think my actual other 2 picks were castform and duskull

[jjh927]

Oh thank fuck

[jjh927]

It appears I can still tell when something is wrong mechanically

[jjh927]

We're done, Raya
That was a scumclaim up there

[jjh927]

You almost had me

I think you'd have got me if you'd waited for the Titus lynch to go through because it was your vote that got me to revisit everything

[jjh927]

You'd have been more likely to take me down after the loss of credibility that comes with a Titus elim, plus I wouldn't have been quite so hyperactive going through all the mechanics. Plus, the next day cycle would have not lined up with my weekend activity spike

[jjh927]

My name is Slakoth. I'm as old as Gen 3. My turf is in the northeast section of Petalburg Woods, where all the bug catchers are, and I am not married. I do not work, and I spend all of my time at home. I don't smoke or drink. I'm in bed for most of the day, and make sure I get 20 hours of sleep, no matter what. After eating 3 leaves before going to bed, I usually have no problems sleeping until morning. Just like a working adult, I wake up with fatigue and stress in the morning, but I then continue to sleep until the evening. I was told they hope to see me again at my last check-up. I'm trying to explain that I'm a person who wishes to live a very quiet life. I take care not to trouble myself with any enemies, like winning and losing, that would cause me to lose sleep at night. That is how I deal with society, and I know that is what brings me happiness. Although, if I were to fight I wouldn't lose to anyone.

[jjh927]

I mean yeah, my mechanical suspicion was because there was something clearly missing from the claim and then the elaboration was slow and drawn out which made me more confident something was missing

I am very good at detecting lies in roleclaims

[jjh927]

Maybe if you'd claimed a more developed move from the start I would have fallen for it though? My attention was drawn to the unexplained damage and the unexplained move and I linked the two

[jjh927]

well done bean boy

@jjh

Ali tried to nerf me by giving me a lazy ass role pm and it didn't work

[jjh927]

Look at this shit

jjh927

Pokemon Battles!

~ Role PM ~

---

4 HP | +1 ATK | -1 DEF | -2 EVA

You are

Slakoth

, aligned with the

TOWN

.

Ability

: Truant

• You cannot evolve. You cannot battle. You do not learn moves.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

---

Confirm your role by responding to this PM with your role and alignment!
GAMETHREAD

[jjh927]

Where's Red at I wanna appreciate them for catching Chara because I don't think I'd have done that

[jjh927]

Oh 100% would have been a different game

I think it would have been a Titus elim day 2, for one, and who knows from there

[jjh927]

Speaking of Titus, you really need to work on your VCA because what exactly was that

[jjh927]

I was very efficient with my votes thank you very much

[jjh927]

I think I made 5 of them for 3 scum elims
Means I'm not working you very hard on the votecounts

[jjh927]

my favorite post from u was "i think ive only voted scum this whole game" meanwhile tunneling titus for 2 days

It was almost accurate. I only voted one town in the whole game, and never at the end of a day

[jjh927]

Another funny thing, I chose a random number and kicked myself in the ass right after

3 is the magic number

[jjh927]

Really it just meant I believed the claim was partially true, rather than totally fabricated, which is hilarious in hindsight

[jjh927]

As an aside, I really don't believe in the whole "After you flip me please flip X".
I'm glad I had a bit of a rant about that concept.
It's potentially self-destructive as town or a tool for scum to sow doubt. All that should remain of you after you flip is your iso. If your arguments are no more credible after your death than before then why should anyone follow your will? But if your arguments are strong, but people only doubt you because they think you're scum, then people should be willing to sheep you after you die. That's the only way it will ever go in practice, too

[jjh927]

Who wants to know all of my actions

[jjh927]

The time pressure made me focus on mechanics because I didn't trust other people to get the mechanics right lmao

[jjh927]

Thing is, I usually use my own role PM as a reference for mechanics

[jjh927]

Grats on being the N1 kill, unwnd

[jjh927]

That is just how it is

[jjh927]

I have a lot of respect for the first NK

[jjh927]

I look forward to seeing your discussions in the scum PT

[jjh927]

I'd have thought N1 would be between unwnd and raya though tbh
Wasn't really an unexpected kill to me

[jjh927]

I'm glad you reached the conclusion on vax d1

I was gonna put some effort in but I was really tired and had a nap instead
Genuinely, this was not me just roleplaying slakoth

[jjh927]

Sorry for interrupting your meal Pooky

I wanted to confirm I hadn't totally misunderstood the damage thing
Your clarification was extremely helpful to me

[jjh927]

I just wanted a cool slakoth pm that changed dramatically on evolution then changed back again on evolution again

[jjh927]

The change from truant to vital spirit and back to truant had lots of potential

But I can see it both ways because it was probably a lot easier to design my role PM the way it was

[jjh927]

I am glad my memeing was important to the dead thread

[jjh927]

I'm sorry I didn't have any memes for N2/D3. I couldn't think of anything

[jjh927]

Tbf twins had 90% of the game fooled in this day phase

[jjh927]

This sounds like I am complimenting Momrangal's play but I am in fact blowing my own trumpet