In what world can they possibly be t/t?In post 1214, Mistyx wrote:okay well
we still do have a mafia game to play
if chara/red are t/t, who do you think is scum?
![Shifty-Eyed :shifty:](./images/smilies/icon_shifty.gif)
In what world can they possibly be t/t?In post 1214, Mistyx wrote:okay well
we still do have a mafia game to play
if chara/red are t/t, who do you think is scum?
In post 1215, Mistyx wrote:so which of my townreads do you disagree withIn post 1213, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:This PoE is why I 100% agree with IZ.In post 1192, Mistyx wrote:okay treating that as a direct cc
catboi/titus/jjh/twins town - feel more confident on the latter two
{red/chara} has one
last is in {infinity/s&m/raya/bob}
cool
How does town!you seriously ever contemplate Chara/Red being t/t?In post 1214, Mistyx wrote:okay well
we still do have a mafia game to play
if chara/red are t/t, who do you think is scum?
You actually had some posts earlier that were actually making me question my scumread on you but your recent posts are pretty much proving Gamma right and I don’t recall a single game ever where town!you had such inexplicable takes.In post 1217, Mistyx wrote:niceIn post 1216, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:No.In post 1199, Mistyx wrote:clearly, gamma is scum trying to pocket redIn post 1198, Infinity Zero wrote:Btw can I just state I love how the creepypasta gimmick makes the guilty look? Like DAMN, Red NAILED his aesthetic.
Spoiler:
lolwutIn post 1219, Mistyx wrote:In post 1218, Raya36 wrote:1147 was referring to scum!Chara. I feel like town!Chara would have more to say than just a claim if they were wrongly guiltied. It feels like scum!Chara claimed and left it at just that to avoid giving more info or further incriminating themselves.In post 1207, Mistyx wrote:if red/chara t/t i dislike everyone who immediately voted chara after they claimed
which is inf/raya/s+m
i think inf looks bad for their reaction to the claim if red is town at all actually
i want to talk about 1147/1148 a bit - raya, s+m, can you explain why that logic doesn't apply to scum!chara as well? and wouldn't it be more likely that town!chara told the truth about their claim if they knew the red check wasn't real?so if you think scum!chara would react differently to being guiltied...
why are you voting them?
She is arguing that she scumread Chara’s reaction to Red’s guilty claim. Are you going to claim you’re misunderstanding this too?In post 1221, Mistyx wrote:to clarify i'm not against killing chara but i don't understand your logic on this push
No he just had really good reads.In post 1224, Mistyx wrote:i think that argument applies more strongly to scum who might be substantially pushed the next dayIn post 1222, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:You are seriously arguing that scum!Raya NKs the player who has her as his strongest tr?In post 1202, Mistyx wrote:i've been burned by players by raya a lot before so i don't think the level of contribution is something clearingIn post 1200, Infinity Zero wrote:Tbf I had Titus in my lower TR tierIn post 1188, Mistyx wrote:why raya, and why not titus?
i had titus as town because the way she handled her claim felt pro-town, plus her push on perfume felt internally consistent
i also liked her vote on vax
But I felt like townbinning her was too much atp
Meanwhile Raya’s Vax vote was one Infinity quickly pegged as town and I felt good about her contributions from what I read. So if you liked Titus’ vote you should have liked Raya’s too. Nancy was calling out Titus for playing in a way that suggested she needed to push specific miselims but I think your PoE was too wide and that suggests you’re trying to leave more miselim options open.
-Protocol
so who are the mislims i'm trying to keep available then
raya wasn't in a bad enough thread position to need unwnd defending her
How is your PoE consist almost entirely of obvtown?In post 1227, Mistyx wrote:i was literally stating my townreadsIn post 1226, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:This is very similar to what you did on D1 - shaded multiple players without much context to have it make much sense.
Except for the obvious fact that she pretty much hardpushed Vax.In post 1230, Mistyx wrote:i think this is a reasonable enough possibility that the argument isn't clearingIn post 1229, Raya36 wrote:unless for the sake of my other partner
For starters, having both Chara and Red as town makes no freaking sense.In post 1232, Mistyx wrote:primarily directed to nancy but left as an open question
if you think my PoE is bad then show me which of my townreads i'm wrong on and why
because i'm tired of just getting told i'm wrong repeatedly and getting brushed off when i ask how
Why would Red bus his buddy with a fakeclaim, especially a player that prior to the guilty claim, almost everyone was townreading?In post 1236, Mistyx wrote:maybe its just red/chara both scum
It definitely looks like it to me and explains the Red guilty and why everyone else seems town. Town!Mistyx usually has reads that are grounded in logic and make sense. Her posts don’t appear to be coming from a townie mindset. She’s shading you, Gamma for reasons that make absolutely no sense to me.In post 1238, Raya36 wrote:Chara/Misty team?In post 1231, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:How tf could Red/Chara be tvt here? Red is claiming a guilty on them? Otoh, saying that about me/Titus would actually make sense. Nothing you’re saying here is making an iota of sense.In post 1207, Mistyx wrote:if red/chara t/t i dislike everyone who immediately voted chara after they claimed
which is inf/raya/s+m
i think inf looks bad for their reaction to the claim if red is town at all actually
i want to talk about 1147/1148 a bit - raya, s+m, can you explain why that logic doesn't apply to scum!chara as well? and wouldn't it be more likely that town!chara told the truth about their claim if they knew the red check wasn't real?
You have 2 players - one of whom claimed an actual guilty on the other. In what world are you possibly reading that as tvt? *Head explodes*
I’ve already answered that but you continue to ignore it.In post 1242, Mistyx wrote:then for the fifth time who am i wrong onIn post 1241, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:Because pretty much everything they’ve posted makes so much sense. Then you haven’t played with Gamma nearly enough. I hard tr that slot both by play and meta. I think if you were town here, you’d argue that the scumreads on you are wrong but your posts would still make sense.In post 1211, Mistyx wrote:this is nancy right
why do you think infinity is obvtown? i have more experience with gamma than i do infinity and don't think gamma's outside of his scumrange
Iow, your PoE would actually not be entirely composed of myself and my strongest trs in it.
In post 1245, Mistyx wrote:is it catboi? is it twins? is it jjh?
you've called pretty much everyone else town
so if i'm town here who should i be scumreading, according to you?
@Mistyx, I don’t think you’re town here. I think scum is Vax/Chara/you and if I had any doubts about that, you are pretty much doing comparible mental gymnastics with Chara like you did around Vax.In post 1243, Raya36 wrote:No, if Chara is scum they want their claim to contradict or else everyone will just believe the guilty because it's close enough to the claim to be possible. It's a 1v1 between red and chara with very little chance of it being called tvt. I think you're scum with Chara trying to pull off this narrative thoughIn post 1235, Mistyx wrote:if chara is scum it's not smart because they just get killed for their claim contradicting redIn post 1234, Raya36 wrote:Read their claim and tell me if that makes you feel threatened. Red says Chara is a mass murderer and has a weapon of mass destruction. Chara comes back and claims to be innocent and has has abilities like flinch and reducing the opponent's attack. All around defense. Helpless in the sense of murder. If Chara is scum here it's very smartIn post 1228, Mistyx wrote:it directly contradicts red's resultIn post 1225, Raya36 wrote:Red claimed Chara has a weapon of mass destruction and Chara's claim was mostly around defense. Makes sense from Scum!Chara because it makes them appear more innocent and less of a threat and is also dramatically different than the guilty claim
how does that make them look like less of a threat
if chara was scum and wanted to not die by d3 they would claim something that is a weapon of destruction because it's a very blatant gunsmith soft so they would claim vig or something
Answer this, stop deflecting.In post 1247, Mistyx wrote:ask bobIn post 1244, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:In what world can they possibly be t/t?In post 1214, Mistyx wrote:okay well
we still do have a mafia game to play
if chara/red are t/t, who do you think is scum?
One of them is obviously lying. My money’s on Chara.In post 1252, Mistyx wrote:because neither of their claims make any sense coming from scumIn post 1250, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:In post 1215, Mistyx wrote:so which of my townreads do you disagree withIn post 1213, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:This PoE is why I 100% agree with IZ.In post 1192, Mistyx wrote:okay treating that as a direct cc
catboi/titus/jjh/twins town - feel more confident on the latter two
{red/chara} has one
last is in {infinity/s&m/raya/bob}
coolHow does town!you seriously ever contemplate Chara/Red being t/t?In post 1214, Mistyx wrote:okay well
we still do have a mafia game to play
if chara/red are t/t, who do you think is scum?
Other than that not making you any townier, your point is?In post 1257, Mistyx wrote:you realize the quoted post was sarcasm correctIn post 1255, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:You actually had some posts earlier that were actually making me question my scumread on you but your recent posts are pretty much proving Gamma right and I don’t recall a single game ever where town!you had such inexplicable takes.In post 1217, Mistyx wrote:niceIn post 1216, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:No.In post 1199, Mistyx wrote:clearly, gamma is scum trying to pocket redIn post 1198, Infinity Zero wrote:Btw can I just state I love how the creepypasta gimmick makes the guilty look? Like DAMN, Red NAILED his aesthetic.
Spoiler:
In post 1259, Mistyx wrote:nancy you quoted my post asking you to explain which of my townreads you think i'm wrong on but didn't answer
Red also claimed Chara was near a murder or something, if I understood his post correctly?In post 1260, Raya36 wrote:Personally, if Chara claimed vig I would've voted right away too. This also all depends on what result Red actually got. If Red got a guilty and the weapon of mass destruction is just his personal flavour then this argument is pointless because the guilty no longer alludes to a gun. If Red got only that Chara has a weapon then the vig claim could work because both scum and vig could fit into that guilty claim.
I actually had some doubts on that earlier but your entire take on Chara/Red plus your Gamma/Raya scumreads changed that back.In post 1263, Mistyx wrote:im going to scream
nancy you have not even considered trying to understand my point of view
and you are taking every possible opportunity to paint everything i do in a bad light
i don't know if you're doing it on purpose but you're blatantly spinning everything i do to fit with the narrative of your scumread on me
Who did the bussing? No one in MY PoE.In post 1275, Mistyx wrote:it was actually a busIn post 1272, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:Except for the obvious fact that she pretty much hardpushed Vax.In post 1230, Mistyx wrote:i think this is a reasonable enough possibility that the argument isn't clearingIn post 1229, Raya36 wrote:unless for the sake of my other partner
*Waits for Mistyx to argue it was actually a bus*.
are you happy now
I’m sorry but your recent posts make that extremely difficult, if not downright impossible to do that,In post 1279, Mistyx wrote:okay so i'll brush that hypothetical aside for nowIn post 1278, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:For starters, having both Chara and Red as town makes no freaking sense.In post 1232, Mistyx wrote:primarily directed to nancy but left as an open question
if you think my PoE is bad then show me which of my townreads i'm wrong on and why
because i'm tired of just getting told i'm wrong repeatedly and getting brushed off when i ask how
catboi, titus, jjh, and twins are my townreads
if we take the assumption that there's one scum in chara and red, and you think my entire PoE (raya, you, infinity) plus bob are town, there has to be one scum outside of that
who in that list is it? assume i'm town for the sake of this exercise
Scum will push whomever they can. If they see that their attempts to push one slot are falling on deaf ears, why not try to look good clearing them?In post 1286, Raya36 wrote:Does scum!Mistyx clear me when their PoE is already small?
Should I link MfD where you were bleeding obvtown because your reads made so much sense or Gameshow, while being wrongly sr, your reads still made logical sense or pretty much any of your towngames for that matter?In post 1289, Mistyx wrote:news to meIn post 1288, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:Town!Mistyx usually has reads that are grounded in logic and make sense
well maybe not but i don't think i've ever been good at articulating my reads
Should I link you to CoD game where that was indeed the case with D & D?In post 1294, Raya36 wrote:It just feels too obvious. Scum aren't this obvious..In post 1288, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:It definitely looks like it to me and explains the Red guilty and why everyone else seems town. Town!Mistyx usually has reads that are grounded in logic and make sense. Her posts don’t appear to be coming from a townie mindset. She’s shading you, Gamma for reasons that make absolutely no sense to me.In post 1238, Raya36 wrote:Chara/Misty team?In post 1231, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:How tf could Red/Chara be tvt here? Red is claiming a guilty on them? Otoh, saying that about me/Titus would actually make sense. Nothing you’re saying here is making an iota of sense.In post 1207, Mistyx wrote:if red/chara t/t i dislike everyone who immediately voted chara after they claimed
which is inf/raya/s+m
i think inf looks bad for their reaction to the claim if red is town at all actually
i want to talk about 1147/1148 a bit - raya, s+m, can you explain why that logic doesn't apply to scum!chara as well? and wouldn't it be more likely that town!chara told the truth about their claim if they knew the red check wasn't real?
You have 2 players - one of whom claimed an actual guilty on the other. In what world are you possibly reading that as tvt? *Head explodes*
I didn’t get any of that from his posts but thank you for answering.In post 1298, Mistyx wrote:red is a loyal role that got roleblockedIn post 1297, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:Answer this, stop deflecting.In post 1247, Mistyx wrote:ask bobIn post 1244, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:In what world can they possibly be t/t?In post 1214, Mistyx wrote:okay well
we still do have a mafia game to play
if chara/red are t/t, who do you think is scum?
red is town who's reaction testing
red is an investigative who got their action manipulated
red misunderstood his role or result
possibilities
No and you’re misrepping my reasons for scumreading you. Obviously I’m not scumreading you for this, it just doesn’t help.In post 1301, Mistyx wrote:my point is that you are calling my slot obvscum for something that is blatantly a jokeIn post 1300, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:Other than that not making you any townier, your point is?In post 1257, Mistyx wrote:you realize the quoted post was sarcasm correctIn post 1255, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:You actually had some posts earlier that were actually making me question my scumread on you but your recent posts are pretty much proving Gamma right and I don’t recall a single game ever where town!you had such inexplicable takes.In post 1217, Mistyx wrote:niceIn post 1216, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:No.In post 1199, Mistyx wrote:clearly, gamma is scum trying to pocket redIn post 1198, Infinity Zero wrote:Btw can I just state I love how the creepypasta gimmick makes the guilty look? Like DAMN, Red NAILED his aesthetic.
Spoiler:
you are twisting everything you can to make me look bad
Okay and once again to be clear so you don’t misrep me: I’m NOT scumreading you for sarcasm. The sarcasm just isn’t doing anything to make me townread you.In post 1308, Mistyx wrote:i feel like i should clarify that that was also sarcasmIn post 1307, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:Who did the bussing? No one in MY PoE.In post 1275, Mistyx wrote:it was actually a busIn post 1272, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:Except for the obvious fact that she pretty much hardpushed Vax.In post 1230, Mistyx wrote:i think this is a reasonable enough possibility that the argument isn't clearingIn post 1229, Raya36 wrote:unless for the sake of my other partner
*Waits for Mistyx to argue it was actually a bus*.
are you happy now
Marked for Death, you were super obvious town in that.In post 1314, Mistyx wrote:i'm still not sure what mfd isIn post 1312, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:Should I link MfD where you were bleeding obvtown because your reads made so much sense or Gameshow, while being wrongly sr, your reads still made logical sense or pretty much any of your towngames for that matter?In post 1289, Mistyx wrote:news to meIn post 1288, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:Town!Mistyx usually has reads that are grounded in logic and make sense
well maybe not but i don't think i've ever been good at articulating my reads
Yes, you’re probably right.In post 1319, catboi wrote:Is all this arguing accomplishing anything? You're not going to convince misty she's scum so I'm not sure what you're trying to do. It's just creating a lot of noise for the rest of us. (。-ω-)zzz
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=32465In post 1321, Mistyx wrote:oh the game i voted wrong in f3In post 1320, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:Marked for Death, you were super obvious town in that.In post 1314, Mistyx wrote:i'm still not sure what mfd isIn post 1312, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:Should I link MfD where you were bleeding obvtown because your reads made so much sense or Gameshow, while being wrongly sr, your reads still made logical sense or pretty much any of your towngames for that matter?In post 1289, Mistyx wrote:news to meIn post 1288, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:Town!Mistyx usually has reads that are grounded in logic and make sense
well maybe not but i don't think i've ever been good at articulating my reads
right
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=27958In post 1315, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:Should I link you to CoD game where that was indeed the case with D & D?In post 1294, Raya36 wrote:It just feels too obvious. Scum aren't this obvious..In post 1288, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:It definitely looks like it to me and explains the Red guilty and why everyone else seems town. Town!Mistyx usually has reads that are grounded in logic and make sense. Her posts don’t appear to be coming from a townie mindset. She’s shading you, Gamma for reasons that make absolutely no sense to me.In post 1238, Raya36 wrote:Chara/Misty team?In post 1231, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:How tf could Red/Chara be tvt here? Red is claiming a guilty on them? Otoh, saying that about me/Titus would actually make sense. Nothing you’re saying here is making an iota of sense.In post 1207, Mistyx wrote:if red/chara t/t i dislike everyone who immediately voted chara after they claimed
which is inf/raya/s+m
i think inf looks bad for their reaction to the claim if red is town at all actually
i want to talk about 1147/1148 a bit - raya, s+m, can you explain why that logic doesn't apply to scum!chara as well? and wouldn't it be more likely that town!chara told the truth about their claim if they knew the red check wasn't real?
You have 2 players - one of whom claimed an actual guilty on the other. In what world are you possibly reading that as tvt? *Head explodes*
In post 1138, Chara wrote:
my ability is Intimidate, in a battle i decrease the opponent's attack by 1.
i have one move, Iron Head, it has a 30% chance of skipping my opponent's attack. so basically, it has the flinch effect.
i don't have much time for mafia tonight, but i'll be here tomorrow.
VOTE: Red
If it’s not you, then why the bolded? Why the hedge in the 2nd part of this?In post 1340, Chara wrote:it's not me but i don't know if it'd be a good thing for wincon to have me continue to exist in this game with whatever that guilty was, however i do think it's more likely Red just went for a ballsy play he'll try to walk back on technicalities after the fact than shenanigans with a genuine result.
jjh didn’t have perfect reads in Post Apocalypse, so that doesn’t affect my opinion. In last year’s TM mini normal, paragon RC couldn’t tell what was beyond super obvious to Ari and me, that duckling was bleeding obvtown in that game.In post 1339, Chara wrote:this is such a great post, in that i hate that jjh was able to make it but i also can't figure out a way to disagree with itIn post 1335, jjh927 wrote:Misty is town
She is not obvious scum
For those of you who feel she is obvious scum, if she was both obvious scum and actually aligned with the scum, I would have reached that conclusion long before you in a similar manner to how I voteparked Vax for most of day 1, OR, in the referenced CoD with the referenced D&D
If I’m right, which I think I probably am, I’m requoting this postgame.In post 1345, jjh927 wrote:It is very rare that I have perfect reads, however if you are going to call someone obvious scum and I am against voting them then it's probably not the caseIn post 1343, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:jjh didn’t have perfect reads in Post Apocalypse, so that doesn’t affect my opinion. In last year’s TM mini normal, paragon RC couldn’t tell what was beyond super obvious to Ari and me, that duckling was bleeding obvtown in that game.In post 1339, Chara wrote:this is such a great post, in that i hate that jjh was able to make it but i also can't figure out a way to disagree with itIn post 1335, jjh927 wrote:Misty is town
She is not obvious scum
For those of you who feel she is obvious scum, if she was both obvious scum and actually aligned with the scum, I would have reached that conclusion long before you in a similar manner to how I voteparked Vax for most of day 1, OR, in the referenced CoD with the referenced D&D
They’re take on the game is terrible and they’re not Titus who actually has had really bad takes as town.In post 1348, jjh927 wrote:Sure but if they're not obvious scum then you need to talk hard details
Pika!In post 1344, Infinity Zero wrote:How much has Pooky posted so far? @S&M
I don’t think it matters much since you’re already obvtown but he’s feeling a bit invisible like in Betrayal
Though in that game I just legit forgot who the non-skitter person was, here I can’t tell if Pooky is posting at all
-Protocol
In post 1367, Mistyx wrote:i'm in a position where everyone seems to agree that the game only makes sense if i'm scum
and i'm not so
this game doesn't make sense
I suppose it’s possible that as Infinity was saying that I think your reads are bad and that’s the main reason I’m scumreading you and it also did look to me like you were trying to protect Vax and Chara. Iirc, in that anime game you tried to hard distance your buddies in that. You also seem to be extremely adamant against the push on you where as I think you just caved in that anime game but I really can’t remember. Also in light of Red Chara guilty, your vote on Chara obviously wasn’t a bad vote. Vax also voted you and Vax did have a very strange Titus read. I just didn’t like your reaction to CB trying to tie him down on it.In post 1369, Mistyx wrote:i do think if i am misclearing it's not on jjh or twins, i would say it's on catboi or titus
maybe bob but idk
In post 942, Titus wrote:@Chara, Nancy's post was repulsive.
Re: jjh That's possible and I think that might be what happened to Bell in the Booneytunes game.
In post 944, Titus wrote:This type of toxicity is why I am voting Nancy.In post 941, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:Someone with a functioning beain please explain to me how me and Vax are buddies.
In post 989, Titus wrote:I really hope Mistyx is town because Nancy's being toxic.
Being scum against her would be a cakewalk.
In post 1005, Titus wrote:No. I voted you for toxicity.In post 1003, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:I said the scumreads on me don’t make sense and you voting me for that was hella gross. I think Gamma actually misread me but no way in hell you did,In post 995, Titus wrote:So you think that's mean but saying I'm brainless is fair play?In post 993, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:Now, you’re actually being mean but dw I’m not changing my vote on you.In post 989, Titus wrote:I really hope Mistyx is town because Nancy's being toxic.
Being scum against her would be a cakewalk.
In post 1014, Titus wrote:*shrug*In post 1008, Infinity Zero wrote:There’s plenty going into how someone reacts. They can also deliberately react in a certain way to throw people off if they try to do what you’re doing. Your VCA doesn’t have this much lack of nuance. This feels nothing like you in Cinder Blocks.In post 996, Titus wrote:VCA is all about crafting a narrative.In post 991, Infinity Zero wrote:This just doesn’t sound rightIn post 984, Titus wrote:If Vax acts the same way, his wagon makeup is the same. That means an early busser who did next to nothing like Bell.
This is 100% a position scum can exploit to craft a narrative
And rn Titus seems like the scum doing just that
-Protocol
#facepalm
I hadn't solved most of the game prior to my VCA probably but I don't recall that game.
P.S. I don't move on from toxicity until either one of us flips or I get an apology. I don't put up with that shit. I play to win though.
If you’re actually scum here, my apology doesn’t extend to you.In post 1031, Titus wrote:Ok. I forgive you.In post 1026, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:In post 992, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:Okay sorry about that. I was concerned that “it/its” sounded disrespectful but if you’re okay with they/them I’ll use that.In post 978, Chara wrote:the only townread on me i really like is bob's. it's so earnest and multi-faceted.
Nancy's is in-character but nothing particularly readable, i can't even comment on it's relevance to my scumrange when i don't know her alt, and i'm not asking her to out it.
(also, Nancy, i'd appreciate if you used they/them or it/its for me. <3)
Anyway, I sincerely did not mean to insult anyone. I was just legit shocked as to why I was even getting votes after I made it clear I wasn’t tr Vax. I actually thought I might even been the NK but if Titus is scum, it makes sense why I wasn’t.
And they’re particularly reprehensible when they come from scum and you really hurt me and if you did that to me as scum, it’s totally not okay.In post 1378, Titus wrote:Personal attacks are not ok, regardless of alignment. I just want to say that.
Scum is still jjh.
How am I seriously even in your PoE? *mind blown*In post 1381, Raya36 wrote:I think where I'm at right now is this (Assuming I'm correct that Chara is scum and Red is town)
Town: Red, Catboi, Infinity Zero, Mistyx
Null/PoE: Titus, Bob, S&M, JJ, Twins
Scum: Chara
For the sake of Mistyx progression, as much as I disagree with her current stance, I don't think it makes much sense from scum
@RayaIn post 941, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:In post 917, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:In post 661, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:I’m still not liking Mistyx but not opposed.In post 608, Raya36 wrote:I'm not happy with the jj or twins wagon. I'd be willing to go back to cat but I don't feel as bad as I did before with this slot.
I'm not sure if this is still a viable wagon or not but I'm not liking Vax. I didn't like the Titus vote. Titus has felt town to me and it felt opportunistic as well. The unvoting for simply posting more is bad too. He next places his vote on Infinity, another slot I light townread and another opportunistic vote. Later he voted the twins as the 5th vote which is again opportunistic. He also gave no reasoning for this vote and seemingly hadn't been caught up. When he switches votes again later he says he doesn't even understand the twins wagon but he'd still be willing to go back to it? The it's Mistyx without any reasoning which again already had a wagon forming and opportunistic. He mentions how little time we have then proceeds with fluffy posts. Then joins the jj wagon, who I light townread, without any reasoning given again.
VOTE: VaxOh look here, I’m shadinf my “buddy”.In post 727, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:And Mistyx and Vax have the worst votes.In post 720, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:Vax is at E -1.In post 709, Alisae wrote:VOTE COUNT 1 . 12
Vaxkiller------------ 6 ( jjh927, Catboi, Raya36, unwnd, Infinity Zero, Twins Akari and Mara )
Twins Akari and Mara- 3 ( Chara, Titus, Wellermanbob )
Chara---------------- 1 ( Mistyx )
jjh927--------------- 1 ( Vaxkiller )
Mistyx--------------- 1 ( Smoke and Mirrors )
Wellermanbob--------- 1 ( Red )
Catboi--------------- 0 ( No One )
Red------------------ 0 ( No One )
Titus---------------- 0 ( No One )
Infinity Zero-------- 0 ( No One )
Raya36--------------- 0 ( No One )
unwnd---------------- 0 ( No One )
Smoke and Mirrors---- 0 ( No One )
Not Voting----------- 0 ( No One )Deadline is in (expired on 2021-01-11 20:01:00)
When you’re not talking about anything connected to Vax/Chara, I don’t hate your posts. Like this one for example, I totally agree with - especially if Chara is scum.In post 1385, Mistyx wrote:i would also clear twins out of your null listIn post 1383, Raya36 wrote:That's right. JJ can go to town as well
i think the way vax jumped onto the wagon was not a bus
In this type of setup with the plurality elim, I think if scum are going to bus, they do it early in the day not late, so they can get towncred but not risk an accidental bus.In post 1388, Raya36 wrote:Couldn't it have been distancing with the way Vax left the wagon after they got back?In post 1385, Mistyx wrote:i would also clear twins out of your null listIn post 1383, Raya36 wrote:That's right. JJ can go to town as well
i think the way vax jumped onto the wagon was not a bus
Apparently, Mistyx isn’t the only one with inexplicable takes if you’re seriously this bad at reading me.
Other than that, how about my entire ISO? Have you ever even read a single one of my scumgames?In post 1399, Raya36 wrote:Maybe I am bad at reading you but I'm going to need more than you can't possibly be Vax's buddy because you shaded him when he was at E-1 towards the end of the day
If not, I strongly advise you to do that, if you think this is ever how I play as scum.In post 1400, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:Other than that, how about my entire ISO? Have you ever even read a single one of my scumgames?In post 1399, Raya36 wrote:Maybe I am bad at reading you but I'm going to need more than you can't possibly be Vax's buddy because you shaded him when he was at E-1 towards the end of the day
@Raya, do you seriously think scum!me makes this post about the really only viable counterwagon to Vax?In post 416, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:In post 410, Raya36 wrote:I get we're pressed for time but I don't think the way you approached that vote was good. If you scumread red and mistyx too why not question them at the same time?In post 404, catboi wrote:WEIn post 397, Raya36 wrote:I still think catboi could be scum. I really dislike the mistyx vote. The reasoning given was that she isn't acting as excited to roll town as she said which means absolutely nothing. The scumreads on red and Akari/Mara aren't good either. Both come across as easier pushes right now due to Red's low posting and gimmick, and Akari/Mara's lack of good explanation on the Bob vote. I'd expect town to question Akari/Mara, not immediately place a vote.
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If in talking to them I get the impression I am wrong and that they are town I will happily but at this point in time I believe the added pressure is a good thing.
(;≧皿≦)I think that A & M are doing more sorting than both Red and Mystix put together and I’m really not picking up and particular agenday vibes from them, so I don’t think they’re a good flip for today.
Where am I saying that? I’m saying nothing about my play in this game makes sense if I’m scum here.In post 1405, Infinity Zero wrote:Nancy, your right to be townread is not, like, constitutionally protected or anything.
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Well that’s the main thing I couldn’t wrap my head around. How do you logically read 2 slots as tvt when one of those slots claims to have an extremely specific hard guilty on the other?In post 1406, Infinity Zero wrote:Honestly what’s most concerning about Mistyx’s handling of the gamestate is she’s attempting to tie the red and chara slots together
If they’re TvS (which I’m thinking rn) that doesn’t look great imo
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Yes, I also did want any of those wagons either, so you’re kind’ve making my point for me, even better than I did.In post 1411, Raya36 wrote:At this point Vax only had 1 vote. Infinity, Catboi, and Red all were viable counter wagons to A&M who you didn't wantIn post 1408, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:@Raya, do you seriously think scum!me makes this post about the really only viable counterwagon to Vax?In post 416, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:In post 410, Raya36 wrote:I get we're pressed for time but I don't think the way you approached that vote was good. If you scumread red and mistyx too why not question them at the same time?In post 404, catboi wrote:WEIn post 397, Raya36 wrote:I still think catboi could be scum. I really dislike the mistyx vote. The reasoning given was that she isn't acting as excited to roll town as she said which means absolutely nothing. The scumreads on red and Akari/Mara aren't good either. Both come across as easier pushes right now due to Red's low posting and gimmick, and Akari/Mara's lack of good explanation on the Bob vote. I'd expect town to question Akari/Mara, not immediately place a vote.
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If in talking to them I get the impression I am wrong and that they are town I will happily but at this point in time I believe the added pressure is a good thing.
(;≧皿≦)I think that A & M are doing more sorting than both Red and Mystix put together and I’m really not picking up and particular agenday vibes from them, so I don’t think they’re a good flip for today.In post 456, Alisae wrote:VOTE COUNT 1 . 10
Twins Akari and Mara- 3 ( Chara, Titus, Catboi )
Infinity Zero-------- 2 ( Wellermanbob, Vaxkiller )
Red------------------ 2 ( Twins Akari and Mara )
Catboi--------------- 2 ( Raya36, Infinity Zero )
Wellermanbob--------- 1 ( Red )
Titus---------------- 1 ( Perfume )
Vaxkiller------------ 1 ( jjh927 )
Mistyx--------------- 0 ( No One )
Chara---------------- 0 ( No One )
Raya36--------------- 0 ( No One )
Perfume-------------- 0 ( No One )
Smoke and Mirrors---- 0 ( No One )
jjh927--------------- 0 ( No One )
Not Voting----------- 2 ( Mistyx, Smoke and Mirrors )With 13 alive, it takes 7 to Flip
Deadline is in (expired on 2021-01-11 20:01:00)
I honestly don’t understand why she’d say this as any alignment because it makes absolutely no sense. If Mistyxis buddies with Chara, why couldn’t she be saying that to try to save them? If Titus is town, then her jumping on CB for questioning Vax’s read looks pretty bad too.In post 1414, Raya36 wrote:But why wuld scum!Mistyx suggest this? It's not going to get her towncred. It caused a lot of backlash, if we eliminate Chara and they're scum it'll just incriminate her.In post 1412, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:Well that’s the main thing I couldn’t wrap my head around. How do you logically read 2 slots as tvt when one of those slots claims to have an extremely specific hard guilty on the other?In post 1406, Infinity Zero wrote:Honestly what’s most concerning about Mistyx’s handling of the gamestate is she’s attempting to tie the red and chara slots together
If they’re TvS (which I’m thinking rn) that doesn’t look great imo
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So, Raya tr her > me is whack.
Did I change my mind on any of those wagons later though? No I didn’t, so yes it obviously is. Really can’t understand how you’re not taking that into account.In post 1417, Raya36 wrote:There was also Bob and Titus equal to Vax. I don't think it's a very strong argument that because you went against the 4 top wagons and Vax was sitting on 1 vote you must be town.In post 1415, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:Yes, I also did want any of those wagons either, so you’re kind’ve making my point for me, even better than I did.In post 1411, Raya36 wrote:At this point Vax only had 1 vote. Infinity, Catboi, and Red all were viable counter wagons to A&M who you didn't wantIn post 1408, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:@Raya, do you seriously think scum!me makes this post about the really only viable counterwagon to Vax?In post 416, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:In post 410, Raya36 wrote:I get we're pressed for time but I don't think the way you approached that vote was good. If you scumread red and mistyx too why not question them at the same time?In post 404, catboi wrote:WEIn post 397, Raya36 wrote:I still think catboi could be scum. I really dislike the mistyx vote. The reasoning given was that she isn't acting as excited to roll town as she said which means absolutely nothing. The scumreads on red and Akari/Mara aren't good either. Both come across as easier pushes right now due to Red's low posting and gimmick, and Akari/Mara's lack of good explanation on the Bob vote. I'd expect town to question Akari/Mara, not immediately place a vote.
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If in talking to them I get the impression I am wrong and that they are town I will happily but at this point in time I believe the added pressure is a good thing.
(;≧皿≦)I think that A & M are doing more sorting than both Red and Mystix put together and I’m really not picking up and particular agenday vibes from them, so I don’t think they’re a good flip for today.In post 456, Alisae wrote:VOTE COUNT 1 . 10
Twins Akari and Mara- 3 ( Chara, Titus, Catboi )
Infinity Zero-------- 2 ( Wellermanbob, Vaxkiller )
Red------------------ 2 ( Twins Akari and Mara )
Catboi--------------- 2 ( Raya36, Infinity Zero )
Wellermanbob--------- 1 ( Red )
Titus---------------- 1 ( Perfume )
Vaxkiller------------ 1 ( jjh927 )
Mistyx--------------- 0 ( No One )
Chara---------------- 0 ( No One )
Raya36--------------- 0 ( No One )
Perfume-------------- 0 ( No One )
Smoke and Mirrors---- 0 ( No One )
jjh927--------------- 0 ( No One )
Not Voting----------- 2 ( Mistyx, Smoke and Mirrors )With 13 alive, it takes 7 to Flip
Deadline is in (expired on 2021-01-11 20:01:00)
I’m saying I tried to quash a twins flip and you then point out, I also didn’t want CB, Red or Infinity either. So I put the kibbosh on twins/CB/Red/Infinity wagons, so how does that tie me to Vax?
You’re confusing what is smart and possibly scum indicative and tr it. In an FG game, there was a hard guilty on Ginngie and buddy Ank, haed defended Ginngie despite that. Yes it wasn’t smart but Ank still flipped scum, so you tr her for that specifically isn’t a good argument, especially to tr Mistyx > me or over anyone who isn’t making that argument for that matter.In post 1418, Raya36 wrote:I can't say 100% what scum!Mistyx would and would not do but I know I wouldn't try to push that it's TvT if I was in Mistyx's position. I'd maybe push that red is scum and Chara's claim makes sense from town as that's a plausable narrative to get through. But at this point bussing would make more sense to me.In post 1416, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:I honestly don’t understand why she’d say this as any alignment because it makes absolutely no sense. If Mistyxis buddies with Chara, why couldn’t she be saying that to try to save them? If Titus is town, then her jumping on CB for questioning Vax’s read looks pretty bad too.In post 1414, Raya36 wrote:But why wuld scum!Mistyx suggest this? It's not going to get her towncred. It caused a lot of backlash, if we eliminate Chara and they're scum it'll just incriminate her.In post 1412, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:Well that’s the main thing I couldn’t wrap my head around. How do you logically read 2 slots as tvt when one of those slots claims to have an extremely specific hard guilty on the other?In post 1406, Infinity Zero wrote:Honestly what’s most concerning about Mistyx’s handling of the gamestate is she’s attempting to tie the red and chara slots together
If they’re TvS (which I’m thinking rn) that doesn’t look great imo
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So, Raya tr her > me is whack.
If you're scum and your only partner left has bene guiltied, trying to defend them is only setting you up to be elimed next.
One of them has to be lying based off of Chara’s response and their lack of adamance really doesn’t make too much sense.In post 1421, Infinity Zero wrote:I’m hoping so.In post 1372, jjh927 wrote:Anyway, I think the whole Chara-Red thing is pretty cool and all, but also we're probably gonna hear more about the guilty by the end of the day phase
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In post 1405, Infinity Zero wrote:Nancy, your right to be townread is not, like, constitutionally protected or anything.
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