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Post Post #1244 (isolation #200) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:35 pm

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In post 1214, Mistyx wrote:okay well

we still do have a mafia game to play

if chara/red are t/t, who do you think is scum?
In what world can they possibly be t/t? :shifty:
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Post Post #1250 (isolation #201) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:37 pm

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In post 1215, Mistyx wrote:
In post 1213, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 1192, Mistyx wrote:okay treating that as a direct cc

catboi/titus/jjh/twins town - feel more confident on the latter two
{red/chara} has one
last is in {infinity/s&m/raya/bob}

cool
This PoE is why I 100% agree with IZ.
so which of my townreads do you disagree with
In post 1214, Mistyx wrote:okay well

we still do have a mafia game to play

if chara/red are t/t, who do you think is scum?
How does town!you seriously ever contemplate Chara/Red being t/t?
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Post Post #1255 (isolation #202) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:40 pm

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In post 1217, Mistyx wrote:
In post 1216, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 1199, Mistyx wrote:
In post 1198, Infinity Zero wrote:Btw can I just state I love how the creepypasta gimmick makes the guilty look? Like DAMN, Red NAILED his aesthetic.
clearly, gamma is scum trying to pocket red

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agreed tbh
No.
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You actually had some posts earlier that were actually making me question my scumread on you but your recent posts are pretty much proving Gamma right and I don’t recall a single game ever where town!you had such inexplicable takes.
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Post Post #1258 (isolation #203) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:42 pm

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In post 1219, Mistyx wrote:
In post 1218, Raya36 wrote:
In post 1207, Mistyx wrote:if red/chara t/t i dislike everyone who immediately voted chara after they claimed

which is inf/raya/s+m

i think inf looks bad for their reaction to the claim if red is town at all actually

i want to talk about / a bit - raya, s+m, can you explain why that logic doesn't apply to scum!chara as well? and wouldn't it be more likely that town!chara told the truth about their claim if they knew the red check wasn't real?
1147 was referring to scum!Chara. I feel like town!Chara would have more to say than just a claim if they were wrongly guiltied. It feels like scum!Chara claimed and left it at just that to avoid giving more info or further incriminating themselves.
so if you think scum!chara would react differently to being guiltied...

why are you voting them?
lolwut :lol:
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Post Post #1261 (isolation #204) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:44 pm

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In post 1221, Mistyx wrote:to clarify i'm not against killing chara but i don't understand your logic on this push
She is arguing that she scumread Chara’s reaction to Red’s guilty claim. Are you going to claim you’re misunderstanding this too?
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Post Post #1264 (isolation #205) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:45 pm

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In post 1224, Mistyx wrote:
In post 1222, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 1202, Mistyx wrote:
In post 1200, Infinity Zero wrote:
In post 1188, Mistyx wrote:why raya, and why not titus?

i had titus as town because the way she handled her claim felt pro-town, plus her push on perfume felt internally consistent

i also liked her vote on vax
Tbf I had Titus in my lower TR tier
But I felt like townbinning her was too much atp
Meanwhile Raya’s Vax vote was one Infinity quickly pegged as town and I felt good about her contributions from what I read. So if you liked Titus’ vote you should have liked Raya’s too. Nancy was calling out Titus for playing in a way that suggested she needed to push specific miselims but I think your PoE was too wide and that suggests you’re trying to leave more miselim options open.
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i've been burned by players by raya a lot before so i don't think the level of contribution is something clearing

so who are the mislims i'm trying to keep available then
You are seriously arguing that scum!Raya NKs the player who has her as his strongest tr?
i think that argument applies more strongly to scum who might be substantially pushed the next day

raya wasn't in a bad enough thread position to need unwnd defending her
No he just had really good reads.
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Post Post #1267 (isolation #206) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:47 pm

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In post 1227, Mistyx wrote:
In post 1226, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 1203, Mistyx wrote:also titus was literally in my lower TRs as well

This is very similar to what you did on D1 - shaded multiple players without much context to have it make much sense.
i was literally stating my townreads
How is your PoE consist almost entirely of obvtown?
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Post Post #1272 (isolation #207) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:50 pm

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In post 1230, Mistyx wrote:
In post 1229, Raya36 wrote:unless for the sake of my other partner
i think this is a reasonable enough possibility that the argument isn't clearing
Except for the obvious fact that she pretty much hardpushed Vax.


*Waits for Mistyx to argue it was actually a bus*.
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Post Post #1278 (isolation #208) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:52 pm

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In post 1232, Mistyx wrote:primarily directed to nancy but left as an open question

if you think my PoE is bad then show me which of my townreads i'm wrong on and why

because i'm tired of just getting told i'm wrong repeatedly and getting brushed off when i ask how
For starters, having both Chara and Red as town makes no freaking sense.
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Post Post #1282 (isolation #209) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:56 pm

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In post 1236, Mistyx wrote:maybe its just red/chara both scum
Why would Red bus his buddy with a fakeclaim, especially a player that prior to the guilty claim, almost everyone was townreading?
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Post Post #1288 (isolation #210) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:00 pm

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In post 1238, Raya36 wrote:
In post 1231, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 1207, Mistyx wrote:if red/chara t/t i dislike everyone who immediately voted chara after they claimed

which is inf/raya/s+m

i think inf looks bad for their reaction to the claim if red is town at all actually

i want to talk about / a bit - raya, s+m, can you explain why that logic doesn't apply to scum!chara as well? and wouldn't it be more likely that town!chara told the truth about their claim if they knew the red check wasn't real?
How tf could Red/Chara be tvt here? Red is claiming a guilty on them? Otoh, saying that about me/Titus would actually make sense. Nothing you’re saying here is making an iota of sense.

You have 2 players - one of whom claimed an actual guilty on the other. In what world are you possibly reading that as tvt? *Head explodes*
Chara/Misty team?
It definitely looks like it to me and explains the Red guilty and why everyone else seems town. Town!Mistyx usually has reads that are grounded in logic and make sense. Her posts don’t appear to be coming from a townie mindset. She’s shading you, Gamma for reasons that make absolutely no sense to me.
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Post Post #1290 (isolation #211) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:03 pm

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In post 1242, Mistyx wrote:
In post 1241, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 1211, Mistyx wrote:this is nancy right

why do you think infinity is obvtown? i have more experience with gamma than i do infinity and don't think gamma's outside of his scumrange
Because pretty much everything they’ve posted makes so much sense. Then you haven’t played with Gamma nearly enough. I hard tr that slot both by play and meta. I think if you were town here, you’d argue that the scumreads on you are wrong but your posts would still make sense.

Iow, your PoE would actually not be entirely composed of myself and my strongest trs in it.
then for the fifth time who am i wrong on
I’ve already answered that but you continue to ignore it.
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Post Post #1295 (isolation #212) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:06 pm

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In post 1245, Mistyx wrote:is it catboi? is it twins? is it jjh?

you've called pretty much everyone else town

so if i'm town here who should i be scumreading, according to you?
In post 1243, Raya36 wrote:
In post 1235, Mistyx wrote:
In post 1234, Raya36 wrote:
In post 1228, Mistyx wrote:
In post 1225, Raya36 wrote:Red claimed Chara has a weapon of mass destruction and Chara's claim was mostly around defense. Makes sense from Scum!Chara because it makes them appear more innocent and less of a threat and is also dramatically different than the guilty claim
it directly contradicts red's result

how does that make them look like less of a threat
Read their claim and tell me if that makes you feel threatened. Red says Chara is a mass murderer and has a weapon of mass destruction. Chara comes back and claims to be innocent and has has abilities like flinch and reducing the opponent's attack. All around defense. Helpless in the sense of murder. If Chara is scum here it's very smart
if chara is scum it's not smart because they just get killed for their claim contradicting red

if chara was scum and wanted to not die by d3 they would claim something that is a weapon of destruction because it's a very blatant gunsmith soft so they would claim vig or something
No, if Chara is scum they want their claim to contradict or else everyone will just believe the guilty because it's close enough to the claim to be possible. It's a 1v1 between red and chara with very little chance of it being called tvt. I think you're scum with Chara trying to pull off this narrative though
@Mistyx, I don’t think you’re town here. I think scum is Vax/Chara/you and if I had any doubts about that, you are pretty much doing comparible mental gymnastics with Chara like you did around Vax.
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Post Post #1297 (isolation #213) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:08 pm

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In post 1247, Mistyx wrote:
In post 1244, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 1214, Mistyx wrote:okay well

we still do have a mafia game to play

if chara/red are t/t, who do you think is scum?
In what world can they possibly be t/t? :shifty:
ask bob
Answer this, stop deflecting.
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Post Post #1299 (isolation #214) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:09 pm

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In post 1252, Mistyx wrote:
In post 1250, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 1215, Mistyx wrote:
In post 1213, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 1192, Mistyx wrote:okay treating that as a direct cc

catboi/titus/jjh/twins town - feel more confident on the latter two
{red/chara} has one
last is in {infinity/s&m/raya/bob}

cool
This PoE is why I 100% agree with IZ.
so which of my townreads do you disagree with
In post 1214, Mistyx wrote:okay well

we still do have a mafia game to play

if chara/red are t/t, who do you think is scum?
How does town!you seriously ever contemplate Chara/Red being t/t?
because neither of their claims make any sense coming from scum
One of them is obviously lying. My money’s on Chara.
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Post Post #1300 (isolation #215) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:11 pm

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In post 1257, Mistyx wrote:
In post 1255, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 1217, Mistyx wrote:
In post 1216, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 1199, Mistyx wrote:
In post 1198, Infinity Zero wrote:Btw can I just state I love how the creepypasta gimmick makes the guilty look? Like DAMN, Red NAILED his aesthetic.
clearly, gamma is scum trying to pocket red

Spoiler:
agreed tbh
No.
nice
You actually had some posts earlier that were actually making me question my scumread on you but your recent posts are pretty much proving Gamma right and I don’t recall a single game ever where town!you had such inexplicable takes.
you realize the quoted post was sarcasm correct
Other than that not making you any townier, your point is?
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Post Post #1302 (isolation #216) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:12 pm

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In post 1259, Mistyx wrote:nancy you quoted my post asking you to explain which of my townreads you think i'm wrong on but didn't answer
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Post Post #1305 (isolation #217) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:14 pm

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In post 1260, Raya36 wrote:Personally, if Chara claimed vig I would've voted right away too. This also all depends on what result Red actually got. If Red got a guilty and the weapon of mass destruction is just his personal flavour then this argument is pointless because the guilty no longer alludes to a gun. If Red got only that Chara has a weapon then the vig claim could work because both scum and vig could fit into that guilty claim.
Red also claimed Chara was near a murder or something, if I understood his post correctly?
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Post Post #1306 (isolation #218) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:16 pm

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In post 1263, Mistyx wrote:im going to scream

nancy you have not even considered trying to understand my point of view

and you are taking every possible opportunity to paint everything i do in a bad light

i don't know if you're doing it on purpose but you're blatantly spinning everything i do to fit with the narrative of your scumread on me
I actually had some doubts on that earlier but your entire take on Chara/Red plus your Gamma/Raya scumreads changed that back.
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Post Post #1307 (isolation #219) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:19 pm

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In post 1275, Mistyx wrote:
In post 1272, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 1230, Mistyx wrote:
In post 1229, Raya36 wrote:unless for the sake of my other partner
i think this is a reasonable enough possibility that the argument isn't clearing
Except for the obvious fact that she pretty much hardpushed Vax.


*Waits for Mistyx to argue it was actually a bus*.
it was actually a bus

are you happy now
Who did the bussing? No one in MY PoE.
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Post Post #1309 (isolation #220) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:21 pm

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In post 1279, Mistyx wrote:
In post 1278, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 1232, Mistyx wrote:primarily directed to nancy but left as an open question

if you think my PoE is bad then show me which of my townreads i'm wrong on and why

because i'm tired of just getting told i'm wrong repeatedly and getting brushed off when i ask how
For starters, having both Chara and Red as town makes no freaking sense.
okay so i'll brush that hypothetical aside for now

catboi, titus, jjh, and twins are my townreads

if we take the assumption that there's one scum in chara and red, and you think my entire PoE (raya, you, infinity) plus bob are town, there has to be one scum outside of that

who in that list is it? assume i'm town for the sake of this exercise
I’m sorry but your recent posts make that extremely difficult, if not downright impossible to do that,
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Post Post #1310 (isolation #221) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:25 pm

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In post 1286, Raya36 wrote:Does scum!Mistyx clear me when their PoE is already small?
Scum will push whomever they can. If they see that their attempts to push one slot are falling on deaf ears, why not try to look good clearing them?
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Post Post #1312 (isolation #222) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:28 pm

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In post 1289, Mistyx wrote:
In post 1288, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:Town!Mistyx usually has reads that are grounded in logic and make sense
news to me

well maybe not but i don't think i've ever been good at articulating my reads
Should I link MfD where you were bleeding obvtown because your reads made so much sense or Gameshow, while being wrongly sr, your reads still made logical sense or pretty much any of your towngames for that matter?
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Post Post #1315 (isolation #223) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:30 pm

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In post 1294, Raya36 wrote:
In post 1288, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 1238, Raya36 wrote:
In post 1231, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 1207, Mistyx wrote:if red/chara t/t i dislike everyone who immediately voted chara after they claimed

which is inf/raya/s+m

i think inf looks bad for their reaction to the claim if red is town at all actually

i want to talk about / a bit - raya, s+m, can you explain why that logic doesn't apply to scum!chara as well? and wouldn't it be more likely that town!chara told the truth about their claim if they knew the red check wasn't real?
How tf could Red/Chara be tvt here? Red is claiming a guilty on them? Otoh, saying that about me/Titus would actually make sense. Nothing you’re saying here is making an iota of sense.

You have 2 players - one of whom claimed an actual guilty on the other. In what world are you possibly reading that as tvt? *Head explodes*
Chara/Misty team?
It definitely looks like it to me and explains the Red guilty and why everyone else seems town. Town!Mistyx usually has reads that are grounded in logic and make sense. Her posts don’t appear to be coming from a townie mindset. She’s shading you, Gamma for reasons that make absolutely no sense to me.
It just feels too obvious. Scum aren't this obvious..
Should I link you to CoD game where that was indeed the case with D & D?
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Post Post #1316 (isolation #224) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:31 pm

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In post 1298, Mistyx wrote:
In post 1297, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 1247, Mistyx wrote:
In post 1244, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 1214, Mistyx wrote:okay well

we still do have a mafia game to play

if chara/red are t/t, who do you think is scum?
In what world can they possibly be t/t? :shifty:
ask bob
Answer this, stop deflecting.
red is a loyal role that got roleblocked
red is town who's reaction testing
red is an investigative who got their action manipulated
red misunderstood his role or result

possibilities
I didn’t get any of that from his posts but thank you for answering.
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Post Post #1317 (isolation #225) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:33 pm

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In post 1301, Mistyx wrote:
In post 1300, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 1257, Mistyx wrote:
In post 1255, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 1217, Mistyx wrote:
In post 1216, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 1199, Mistyx wrote:
In post 1198, Infinity Zero wrote:Btw can I just state I love how the creepypasta gimmick makes the guilty look? Like DAMN, Red NAILED his aesthetic.
clearly, gamma is scum trying to pocket red

Spoiler:
agreed tbh
No.
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You actually had some posts earlier that were actually making me question my scumread on you but your recent posts are pretty much proving Gamma right and I don’t recall a single game ever where town!you had such inexplicable takes.
you realize the quoted post was sarcasm correct
Other than that not making you any townier, your point is?
my point is that you are calling my slot obvscum for something that is blatantly a joke

you are twisting everything you can to make me look bad
No and you’re misrepping my reasons for scumreading you. Obviously I’m not scumreading you for this, it just doesn’t help.
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Post Post #1318 (isolation #226) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:36 pm

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In post 1308, Mistyx wrote:
In post 1307, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 1275, Mistyx wrote:
In post 1272, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 1230, Mistyx wrote:
In post 1229, Raya36 wrote:unless for the sake of my other partner
i think this is a reasonable enough possibility that the argument isn't clearing
Except for the obvious fact that she pretty much hardpushed Vax.


*Waits for Mistyx to argue it was actually a bus*.
it was actually a bus

are you happy now
Who did the bussing? No one in MY PoE.
i feel like i should clarify that that was also sarcasm
Okay and once again to be clear so you don’t misrep me: I’m NOT scumreading you for sarcasm. The sarcasm just isn’t doing anything to make me townread you.
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Post Post #1320 (isolation #227) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:38 pm

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In post 1314, Mistyx wrote:
In post 1312, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 1289, Mistyx wrote:
In post 1288, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:Town!Mistyx usually has reads that are grounded in logic and make sense
news to me

well maybe not but i don't think i've ever been good at articulating my reads
Should I link MfD where you were bleeding obvtown because your reads made so much sense or Gameshow, while being wrongly sr, your reads still made logical sense or pretty much any of your towngames for that matter?
i'm still not sure what mfd is
Marked for Death, you were super obvious town in that.
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Post Post #1323 (isolation #228) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:39 pm

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In post 1319, catboi wrote:Is all this arguing accomplishing anything? You're not going to convince misty she's scum so I'm not sure what you're trying to do. It's just creating a lot of noise for the rest of us. (。-ω-)zzz
Yes, you’re probably right.
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Post Post #1325 (isolation #229) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:42 pm

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In post 1321, Mistyx wrote:
In post 1320, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 1314, Mistyx wrote:
In post 1312, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 1289, Mistyx wrote:
In post 1288, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:Town!Mistyx usually has reads that are grounded in logic and make sense
news to me

well maybe not but i don't think i've ever been good at articulating my reads
Should I link MfD where you were bleeding obvtown because your reads made so much sense or Gameshow, while being wrongly sr, your reads still made logical sense or pretty much any of your towngames for that matter?
i'm still not sure what mfd is
Marked for Death, you were super obvious town in that.
oh the game i voted wrong in f3

right
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=32465
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Post Post #1326 (isolation #230) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:50 pm

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In post 1315, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 1294, Raya36 wrote:
In post 1288, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 1238, Raya36 wrote:
In post 1231, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 1207, Mistyx wrote:if red/chara t/t i dislike everyone who immediately voted chara after they claimed

which is inf/raya/s+m

i think inf looks bad for their reaction to the claim if red is town at all actually

i want to talk about / a bit - raya, s+m, can you explain why that logic doesn't apply to scum!chara as well? and wouldn't it be more likely that town!chara told the truth about their claim if they knew the red check wasn't real?
How tf could Red/Chara be tvt here? Red is claiming a guilty on them? Otoh, saying that about me/Titus would actually make sense. Nothing you’re saying here is making an iota of sense.

You have 2 players - one of whom claimed an actual guilty on the other. In what world are you possibly reading that as tvt? *Head explodes*
Chara/Misty team?
It definitely looks like it to me and explains the Red guilty and why everyone else seems town. Town!Mistyx usually has reads that are grounded in logic and make sense. Her posts don’t appear to be coming from a townie mindset. She’s shading you, Gamma for reasons that make absolutely no sense to me.
It just feels too obvious. Scum aren't this obvious..
Should I link you to CoD game where that was indeed the case with D & D?
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=27958
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Post Post #1342 (isolation #231) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:18 pm

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In post 1138, Chara wrote:Image

my ability is Intimidate, in a battle i decrease the opponent's attack by 1.
i have one move, Iron Head, it has a 30% chance of skipping my opponent's attack. so basically, it has the flinch effect.

i don't have much time for mafia tonight, but i'll be here tomorrow.

VOTE: Red
In post 1340, Chara wrote:
it's not me but i don't know if it'd be a good thing for wincon to have me continue to exist in this game with whatever that guilty was
, however i do think it's more likely Red just went for a ballsy play he'll try to walk back on technicalities after the fact than shenanigans with a genuine result.
If it’s not you, then why the bolded? Why the hedge in the 2nd part of this?

Again, I have to agree with Raya that is a really odd reaction to Red’s guilty.
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Post Post #1343 (isolation #232) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:21 pm

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In post 1339, Chara wrote:
In post 1335, jjh927 wrote:Misty is town

She is not obvious scum

For those of you who feel she is obvious scum, if she was both obvious scum and actually aligned with the scum, I would have reached that conclusion long before you in a similar manner to how I voteparked Vax for most of day 1, OR, in the referenced CoD with the referenced D&D
this is such a great post, in that i hate that jjh was able to make it but i also can't figure out a way to disagree with it
jjh didn’t have perfect reads in Post Apocalypse, so that doesn’t affect my opinion. In last year’s TM mini normal, paragon RC couldn’t tell what was beyond super obvious to Ari and me, that duckling was bleeding obvtown in that game.
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Post Post #1349 (isolation #233) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:18 pm

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In post 1345, jjh927 wrote:
In post 1343, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 1339, Chara wrote:
In post 1335, jjh927 wrote:Misty is town

She is not obvious scum

For those of you who feel she is obvious scum, if she was both obvious scum and actually aligned with the scum, I would have reached that conclusion long before you in a similar manner to how I voteparked Vax for most of day 1, OR, in the referenced CoD with the referenced D&D
this is such a great post, in that i hate that jjh was able to make it but i also can't figure out a way to disagree with it
jjh didn’t have perfect reads in Post Apocalypse, so that doesn’t affect my opinion. In last year’s TM mini normal, paragon RC couldn’t tell what was beyond super obvious to Ari and me, that duckling was bleeding obvtown in that game.
It is very rare that I have perfect reads, however if you are going to call someone obvious scum and I am against voting them then it's probably not the case
If I’m right, which I think I probably am, I’m requoting this postgame.
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Post Post #1350 (isolation #234) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:26 pm

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In post 1348, jjh927 wrote:Sure but if they're not obvious scum then you need to talk hard details
They’re take on the game is terrible and they’re not Titus who actually has had really bad takes as town.


https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=21512


So it’s possible it’s Titus but I don’t think so. I definitely hope not because that would seriously mess with my head.
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Post Post #1356 (isolation #235) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 2:23 am

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In post 1344, Infinity Zero wrote:How much has Pooky posted so far? @S&M
I don’t think it matters much since you’re already obvtown but he’s feeling a bit invisible like in Betrayal
Though in that game I just legit forgot who the non-skitter person was, here I can’t tell if Pooky is posting at all
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Post Post #1377 (isolation #236) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 5:38 am

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In post 1367, Mistyx wrote:i'm in a position where everyone seems to agree that the game only makes sense if i'm scum

and i'm not so

this game doesn't make sense
In post 1369, Mistyx wrote:i do think if i am misclearing it's not on jjh or twins, i would say it's on catboi or titus

maybe bob but idk
I suppose it’s possible that as Infinity was saying that I think your reads are bad and that’s the main reason I’m scumreading you and it also did look to me like you were trying to protect Vax and Chara. Iirc, in that anime game you tried to hard distance your buddies in that. You also seem to be extremely adamant against the push on you where as I think you just caved in that anime game but I really can’t remember. Also in light of Red Chara guilty, your vote on Chara obviously wasn’t a bad vote. Vax also voted you and Vax did have a very strange Titus read. I just didn’t like your reaction to CB trying to tie him down on it.

I suppose I shouldn’t let emotional considerations affect my reads. I just didn’t want to entertain the notion that Titus would ever be this horrible to me as scum. I tend to assume if someone is really mean to you, they’re more likely to be town but scum!Bunno called me “dumb” in Dung Beetle redux, I lost count how many times. If it actually is Vax/Chara/Titus, only 2/3 of that team deserve my respect for their play in this game. Titus personally attacked me which is totally not okay if she’s actually scum here.
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Post Post #1379 (isolation #237) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 5:51 am

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In post 942, Titus wrote:@Chara, Nancy's post was repulsive.

Re: jjh That's possible and I think that might be what happened to Bell in the Booneytunes game.
In post 944, Titus wrote:
In post 941, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:Someone with a functioning beain please explain to me how me and Vax are buddies.
This type of toxicity is why I am voting Nancy.
In post 989, Titus wrote:I really hope Mistyx is town because Nancy's being toxic.

Being scum against her would be a cakewalk.
In post 1005, Titus wrote:
In post 1003, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 995, Titus wrote:
In post 993, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 989, Titus wrote:I really hope Mistyx is town because Nancy's being toxic.

Being scum against her would be a cakewalk.
Now, you’re actually being mean but dw I’m not changing my vote on you. :]
So you think that's mean but saying I'm brainless is fair play?
I said the scumreads on me don’t make sense and you voting me for that was hella gross. I think Gamma actually misread me but no way in hell you did,
No. I voted you for toxicity.
In post 1014, Titus wrote:
In post 1008, Infinity Zero wrote:
In post 996, Titus wrote:
In post 991, Infinity Zero wrote:
In post 984, Titus wrote:If Vax acts the same way, his wagon makeup is the same. That means an early busser who did next to nothing like Bell.
This just doesn’t sound right
This is 100% a position scum can exploit to craft a narrative
And rn Titus seems like the scum doing just that
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VCA is all about crafting a narrative.

#facepalm
There’s plenty going into how someone reacts. They can also deliberately react in a certain way to throw people off if they try to do what you’re doing. Your VCA doesn’t have this much lack of nuance. This feels nothing like you in Cinder Blocks.
*shrug*

I hadn't solved most of the game prior to my VCA probably but I don't recall that game.

P.S. I don't move on from toxicity until either one of us flips or I get an apology. I don't put up with that shit. I play to win though.
In post 1031, Titus wrote:
In post 1026, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 992, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 978, Chara wrote:the only townread on me i really like is bob's. it's so earnest and multi-faceted.

Nancy's is in-character but nothing particularly readable, i can't even comment on it's relevance to my scumrange when i don't know her alt, and i'm not asking her to out it.
(also, Nancy, i'd appreciate if you used they/them or it/its for me. <3)
Okay sorry about that. I was concerned that “it/its” sounded disrespectful but if you’re okay with they/them I’ll use that.

Anyway, I sincerely did not mean to insult anyone. I was just legit shocked as to why I was even getting votes after I made it clear I wasn’t tr Vax. I actually thought I might even been the NK but if Titus is scum, it makes sense why I wasn’t.
Ok. I forgive you.
If you’re actually scum here, my apology doesn’t extend to you.
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Post Post #1380 (isolation #238) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 5:54 am

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In post 1378, Titus wrote:Personal attacks are not ok, regardless of alignment. I just want to say that.

Scum is still jjh.
And they’re particularly reprehensible when they come from scum and you really hurt me and if you did that to me as scum, it’s totally not okay.
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Post Post #1384 (isolation #239) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:02 am

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In post 1381, Raya36 wrote:I think where I'm at right now is this (Assuming I'm correct that Chara is scum and Red is town)

Town: Red, Catboi, Infinity Zero, Mistyx
Null/PoE: Titus, Bob, S&M, JJ, Twins
Scum: Chara

For the sake of Mistyx progression, as much as I disagree with her current stance, I don't think it makes much sense from scum
How am I seriously even in your PoE? *mind blown*

And how is Mystix townier than me? Did you forget about those two posts I quoted about Vax and expressed how ridiculous it is to think I make those posts if he’s my buddy?
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Post Post #1387 (isolation #240) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:08 am

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In post 941, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 917, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 661, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 608, Raya36 wrote:I'm not happy with the jj or twins wagon. I'd be willing to go back to cat but I don't feel as bad as I did before with this slot.

I'm not sure if this is still a viable wagon or not but I'm not liking Vax. I didn't like the Titus vote. Titus has felt town to me and it felt opportunistic as well. The unvoting for simply posting more is bad too. He next places his vote on Infinity, another slot I light townread and another opportunistic vote. Later he voted the twins as the 5th vote which is again opportunistic. He also gave no reasoning for this vote and seemingly hadn't been caught up. When he switches votes again later he says he doesn't even understand the twins wagon but he'd still be willing to go back to it? The it's Mistyx without any reasoning which again already had a wagon forming and opportunistic. He mentions how little time we have then proceeds with fluffy posts. Then joins the jj wagon, who I light townread, without any reasoning given again.

VOTE: Vax
I’m still not liking Mistyx but not opposed.
In post 727, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 720, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 709, Alisae wrote:
VOTE COUNT 1 . 12
  • Vaxkiller
    ------------ 6 ( jjh927, Catboi, Raya36, unwnd, Infinity Zero, Twins Akari and Mara )
    Twins Akari and Mara
    - 3 ( Chara, Titus, Wellermanbob )
    Chara
    ---------------- 1 ( Mistyx )
    jjh927
    --------------- 1 ( Vaxkiller )
    Mistyx
    --------------- 1 ( Smoke and Mirrors )
    Wellermanbob
    --------- 1 ( Red )
    Catboi
    --------------- 0 ( No One )
    Red
    ------------------ 0 ( No One )
    Titus
    ---------------- 0 ( No One )
    Infinity Zero
    -------- 0 ( No One )
    Raya36
    --------------- 0 ( No One )
    unwnd
    ---------------- 0 ( No One )
    Smoke and Mirrors
    ---- 0 ( No One )


    Not Voting
    ----------- 0 ( No One )
Deadline is in (expired on 2021-01-11 20:01:00)
Vax is at E -1.
And Mistyx and Vax have the worst votes.
Oh look here, I’m shadinf my “buddy”. :roll:
@Raya

And obviously if Chara flips scum, Mistix vote wasn’t bad.
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Post Post #1389 (isolation #241) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:11 am

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In post 1385, Mistyx wrote:
In post 1383, Raya36 wrote:That's right. JJ can go to town as well
i would also clear twins out of your null list

i think the way vax jumped onto the wagon was not a bus
When you’re not talking about anything connected to Vax/Chara, I don’t hate your posts. Like this one for example, I totally agree with - especially if Chara is scum.
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Post Post #1395 (isolation #242) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:14 am

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In post 1388, Raya36 wrote:
In post 1385, Mistyx wrote:
In post 1383, Raya36 wrote:That's right. JJ can go to town as well
i would also clear twins out of your null list

i think the way vax jumped onto the wagon was not a bus
Couldn't it have been distancing with the way Vax left the wagon after they got back?
In this type of setup with the plurality elim, I think if scum are going to bus, they do it early in the day not late, so they can get towncred but not risk an accidental bus.
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Post Post #1396 (isolation #243) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:15 am

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In post 1394, Raya36 wrote:So that leaves Bob, Titus,
and maybe S&M
:facepalm:
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Post Post #1398 (isolation #244) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:16 am

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In post 1396, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 1394, Raya36 wrote:So that leaves Bob, Titus,
and maybe S&M
:facepalm:
Apparently, Mistyx isn’t the only one with inexplicable takes if you’re seriously this bad at reading me.
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Post Post #1400 (isolation #245) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:19 am

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In post 1399, Raya36 wrote:Maybe I am bad at reading you but I'm going to need more than you can't possibly be Vax's buddy because you shaded him when he was at E-1 towards the end of the day
Other than that, how about my entire ISO? Have you ever even read a single one of my scumgames?
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Post Post #1401 (isolation #246) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:21 am

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In post 1400, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 1399, Raya36 wrote:Maybe I am bad at reading you but I'm going to need more than you can't possibly be Vax's buddy because you shaded him when he was at E-1 towards the end of the day
Other than that, how about my entire ISO? Have you ever even read a single one of my scumgames?
If not, I strongly advise you to do that, if you think this is ever how I play as scum.
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Post Post #1408 (isolation #247) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:29 am

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In post 416, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 410, Raya36 wrote:
In post 404, catboi wrote:
In post 397, Raya36 wrote:I still think catboi could be scum. I really dislike the mistyx vote. The reasoning given was that she isn't acting as excited to roll town as she said which means absolutely nothing. The scumreads on red and Akari/Mara aren't good either. Both come across as easier pushes right now due to Red's low posting and gimmick, and Akari/Mara's lack of good explanation on the Bob vote. I'd expect town to question Akari/Mara, not immediately place a vote.
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If in talking to them I get the impression I am wrong and that they are town I will happily but at this point in time I believe the added pressure is a good thing.

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I get we're pressed for time but I don't think the way you approached that vote was good. If you scumread red and mistyx too why not question them at the same time?
I think that A & M are doing more sorting than both Red and Mystix put together and I’m really not picking up and particular agenday vibes from them, so I don’t think they’re a good flip for today
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@Raya, do you seriously think scum!me makes this post about the really only viable counterwagon to Vax?
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Post Post #1409 (isolation #248) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:32 am

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In post 1405, Infinity Zero wrote:Nancy, your right to be townread is not, like, constitutionally protected or anything.

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Where am I saying that? I’m saying nothing about my play in this game makes sense if I’m scum here.

However, maybe it actually should be. :P
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Post Post #1412 (isolation #249) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:35 am

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In post 1406, Infinity Zero wrote:Honestly what’s most concerning about Mistyx’s handling of the gamestate is she’s attempting to tie the red and chara slots together
If they’re TvS (which I’m thinking rn) that doesn’t look great imo
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Well that’s the main thing I couldn’t wrap my head around. How do you logically read 2 slots as tvt when one of those slots claims to have an extremely specific hard guilty on the other?

So, Raya tr her > me is whack.
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Post Post #1415 (isolation #250) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:40 am

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In post 1411, Raya36 wrote:
In post 1408, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 416, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 410, Raya36 wrote:
In post 404, catboi wrote:
In post 397, Raya36 wrote:I still think catboi could be scum. I really dislike the mistyx vote. The reasoning given was that she isn't acting as excited to roll town as she said which means absolutely nothing. The scumreads on red and Akari/Mara aren't good either. Both come across as easier pushes right now due to Red's low posting and gimmick, and Akari/Mara's lack of good explanation on the Bob vote. I'd expect town to question Akari/Mara, not immediately place a vote.
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THAN

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DAYS


If in talking to them I get the impression I am wrong and that they are town I will happily but at this point in time I believe the added pressure is a good thing.

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I get we're pressed for time but I don't think the way you approached that vote was good. If you scumread red and mistyx too why not question them at the same time?
I think that A & M are doing more sorting than both Red and Mystix put together and I’m really not picking up and particular agenday vibes from them, so I don’t think they’re a good flip for today
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@Raya, do you seriously think scum!me makes this post about the really only viable counterwagon to Vax?
At this point Vax only had 1 vote. Infinity, Catboi, and Red all were viable counter wagons to A&M who you didn't want
In post 456, Alisae wrote:
VOTE COUNT 1 . 10
  • Twins Akari and Mara
    - 3 ( Chara, Titus, Catboi )
    Infinity Zero
    -------- 2 ( Wellermanbob, Vaxkiller )
    Red
    ------------------ 2 ( Twins Akari and Mara )
    Catboi
    --------------- 2 ( Raya36, Infinity Zero )
    Wellermanbob
    --------- 1 ( Red )
    Titus
    ---------------- 1 ( Perfume )
    Vaxkiller
    ------------ 1 ( jjh927 )
    Mistyx
    --------------- 0 ( No One )
    Chara
    ---------------- 0 ( No One )
    Raya36
    --------------- 0 ( No One )
    Perfume
    -------------- 0 ( No One )
    Smoke and Mirrors
    ---- 0 ( No One )
    jjh927
    --------------- 0 ( No One )


    Not Voting
    ----------- 2 ( Mistyx, Smoke and Mirrors )
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to Flip
Deadline is in (expired on 2021-01-11 20:01:00)
Yes, I also did want any of those wagons either, so you’re kind’ve making my point for me, even better than I did.

I’m saying I tried to quash a twins flip and you then point out, I also didn’t want CB, Red or Infinity either. So I put the kibbosh on twins/CB/Red/Infinity wagons, so how does that tie me to Vax?
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Post Post #1416 (isolation #251) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:45 am

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In post 1414, Raya36 wrote:
In post 1412, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 1406, Infinity Zero wrote:Honestly what’s most concerning about Mistyx’s handling of the gamestate is she’s attempting to tie the red and chara slots together
If they’re TvS (which I’m thinking rn) that doesn’t look great imo
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Well that’s the main thing I couldn’t wrap my head around. How do you logically read 2 slots as tvt when one of those slots claims to have an extremely specific hard guilty on the other?

So, Raya tr her > me is whack.
But why wuld scum!Mistyx suggest this? It's not going to get her towncred. It caused a lot of backlash, if we eliminate Chara and they're scum it'll just incriminate her.
I honestly don’t understand why she’d say this as any alignment because it makes absolutely no sense. If Mistyxis buddies with Chara, why couldn’t she be saying that to try to save them? If Titus is town, then her jumping on CB for questioning Vax’s read looks pretty bad too.
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Post Post #1419 (isolation #252) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:01 am

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In post 1417, Raya36 wrote:
In post 1415, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 1411, Raya36 wrote:
In post 1408, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 416, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 410, Raya36 wrote:
In post 404, catboi wrote:
In post 397, Raya36 wrote:I still think catboi could be scum. I really dislike the mistyx vote. The reasoning given was that she isn't acting as excited to roll town as she said which means absolutely nothing. The scumreads on red and Akari/Mara aren't good either. Both come across as easier pushes right now due to Red's low posting and gimmick, and Akari/Mara's lack of good explanation on the Bob vote. I'd expect town to question Akari/Mara, not immediately place a vote.
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If in talking to them I get the impression I am wrong and that they are town I will happily but at this point in time I believe the added pressure is a good thing.

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I get we're pressed for time but I don't think the way you approached that vote was good. If you scumread red and mistyx too why not question them at the same time?
I think that A & M are doing more sorting than both Red and Mystix put together and I’m really not picking up and particular agenday vibes from them, so I don’t think they’re a good flip for today
.
@Raya, do you seriously think scum!me makes this post about the really only viable counterwagon to Vax?
At this point Vax only had 1 vote. Infinity, Catboi, and Red all were viable counter wagons to A&M who you didn't want
In post 456, Alisae wrote:
VOTE COUNT 1 . 10
  • Twins Akari and Mara
    - 3 ( Chara, Titus, Catboi )
    Infinity Zero
    -------- 2 ( Wellermanbob, Vaxkiller )
    Red
    ------------------ 2 ( Twins Akari and Mara )
    Catboi
    --------------- 2 ( Raya36, Infinity Zero )
    Wellermanbob
    --------- 1 ( Red )
    Titus
    ---------------- 1 ( Perfume )
    Vaxkiller
    ------------ 1 ( jjh927 )
    Mistyx
    --------------- 0 ( No One )
    Chara
    ---------------- 0 ( No One )
    Raya36
    --------------- 0 ( No One )
    Perfume
    -------------- 0 ( No One )
    Smoke and Mirrors
    ---- 0 ( No One )
    jjh927
    --------------- 0 ( No One )


    Not Voting
    ----------- 2 ( Mistyx, Smoke and Mirrors )
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to Flip
Deadline is in (expired on 2021-01-11 20:01:00)
Yes, I also did want any of those wagons either, so you’re kind’ve making my point for me, even better than I did.

I’m saying I tried to quash a twins flip and you then point out, I also didn’t want CB, Red or Infinity either. So I put the kibbosh on twins/CB/Red/Infinity wagons, so how does that tie me to Vax?
There was also Bob and Titus equal to Vax. I don't think it's a very strong argument that because you went against the 4 top wagons and Vax was sitting on 1 vote you must be town.
Did I change my mind on any of those wagons later though? No I didn’t, so yes it obviously is. Really can’t understand how you’re not taking that into account.
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Post Post #1422 (isolation #253) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:07 am

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In post 1418, Raya36 wrote:
In post 1416, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 1414, Raya36 wrote:
In post 1412, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 1406, Infinity Zero wrote:Honestly what’s most concerning about Mistyx’s handling of the gamestate is she’s attempting to tie the red and chara slots together
If they’re TvS (which I’m thinking rn) that doesn’t look great imo
-Protocol
Well that’s the main thing I couldn’t wrap my head around. How do you logically read 2 slots as tvt when one of those slots claims to have an extremely specific hard guilty on the other?

So, Raya tr her > me is whack.
But why wuld scum!Mistyx suggest this? It's not going to get her towncred. It caused a lot of backlash, if we eliminate Chara and they're scum it'll just incriminate her.
I honestly don’t understand why she’d say this as any alignment because it makes absolutely no sense. If Mistyxis buddies with Chara, why couldn’t she be saying that to try to save them? If Titus is town, then her jumping on CB for questioning Vax’s read looks pretty bad too.
I can't say 100% what scum!Mistyx would and would not do but I know I wouldn't try to push that it's TvT if I was in Mistyx's position. I'd maybe push that red is scum and Chara's claim makes sense from town as that's a plausable narrative to get through. But at this point bussing would make more sense to me.

If you're scum and your only partner left has bene guiltied, trying to defend them is only setting you up to be elimed next.
You’re confusing what is smart and possibly scum indicative and tr it. In an FG game, there was a hard guilty on Ginngie and buddy Ank, haed defended Ginngie despite that. Yes it wasn’t smart but Ank still flipped scum, so you tr her for that specifically isn’t a good argument, especially to tr Mistyx > me or over anyone who isn’t making that argument for that matter.

Both Mistyx and Titus’ Chara/Red reads are bad, so you tr a slot who’s making a ridiculous argument over slots that aren’t really doesn’t make much sense.
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Post Post #1423 (isolation #254) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:10 am

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In post 1421, Infinity Zero wrote:
In post 1372, jjh927 wrote:Anyway, I think the whole Chara-Red thing is pretty cool and all, but also we're probably gonna hear more about the guilty by the end of the day phase
I’m hoping so.
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One of them has to be lying based off of Chara’s response and their lack of adamance really doesn’t make too much sense.
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Post Post #1429 (isolation #255) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:13 am

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In post 1405, Infinity Zero wrote:Nancy, your right to be townread is not, like, constitutionally protected or anything.

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Post Post #1430 (isolation #256) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:13 am

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In post 1427, Firebringer wrote:Vc here when I get back
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Post Post #1431 (isolation #257) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:14 am

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In post 1424, Raya36 wrote:That's a good point. I guess scum doesn't always do what I would do
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Post Post #1432 (isolation #258) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:15 am

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In post 1426, Twins Akari and Mara wrote:This game is giving mara a headache
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Post Post #1434 (isolation #259) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:25 am

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In post 1433, catboi wrote:Hi pooky

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Post Post #1439 (isolation #260) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:42 am

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In post 1435, Infinity Zero wrote:Pookachu!

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Post Post #1440 (isolation #261) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:44 am

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Post Post #1441 (isolation #262) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:46 am

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In post 1438, Titus wrote:I probably should have used hurt tags rather than an outright vote on Nancy.

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Post Post #1457 (isolation #263) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:37 pm

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In post 1436, catboi wrote:
In post 1434, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 1433, catboi wrote:Hi pooky

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Post Post #1458 (isolation #264) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:40 pm

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In post 1437, Titus wrote:
In post 1382, Mistyx wrote:
In post 1378, Titus wrote:Personal attacks are not ok, regardless of alignment. I just want to say that.

Scum is still jjh.
i think vax's reaction to being wagoned over jjh is hardclearing for jjh
Look at Vax's reaction in Booneytunes and tell me that again.

@Nancy, I'm not scum. I am sorry you felt attacked.
I’m not efforting this much, I need actual links/quotes.

I accept your apology because I actually do believe it’s sincere. I actually do think you’re scum however but I really do appreciate this regardless. <3
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Post Post #1459 (isolation #265) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:42 pm

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In post 1438, Titus wrote:I probably should have used hurt tags rather than an outright vote on Nancy.
That definitely would have been smarter or even better, just rebuke me with neither. I know what a concept. right? :roll:
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Post Post #1460 (isolation #266) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:44 pm

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In post 1441, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 1438, Titus wrote:I probably should have used hurt tags rather than an outright vote on Nancy.

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Post Post #1462 (isolation #267) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:05 pm

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In post 1442, wellermanbob wrote:im really really bored

can we fastforward this if Red isn't going to say anything and it's just going to make any other discussion pointless?

Hope it's not TvT, oh well if it is not like anything is going to happen other than the big ole pile on
I honestly don’t see how. Red claimed a hard and very specific guilty on Chara who hard claimed a role that makes zero sense with that guilty.

I actually think Vax/Chara/Titus

and if that’s wrong, probably

Vax/Chara/Mistyx

but there’s so many weird things pointing to Titus: the aesetic claim. Aesetic anything is usually not a town modifier. Vax’s strange read on her. Titus’ uberscummy jump on me. Vax/Chara/Titus shade on jjh, all 3 pushing the twins. In Boon uPick, scum!Titus voted Chk who was 3P scum for being “toxic” but in Gameshow, town!Titus never voted Moongrass for that, she merely rebuked her.

I hard tr jjh and he sounds extremely similar here to CoD. Do you agree with that @Gamma?

I still think Mistyx has high scum equity but only if Titus flips town which I no longer expect to happen. I don’t believe town!Titus ever opportunistically jumps on me the way she did and the fact that she’s making a point of mentioning that, considering that’s not what even upset me is very interesting. I think she had me in her pocket and now she’s scrambling to get me back in it. As if saying using HURT tags would have made that much a difference, in a plurality game right at daystart. Why would that make a huge difference? Either one looked extremely scummy in addition to her egregiously blowing it up.

What wouldn’t have? One - only one comment of her critiquing me for that, then dropping it. No vote, no hurt tags. :shifty: . That would have looked townie to me and reasonable.
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Post Post #1463 (isolation #268) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:09 pm

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In post 1446, Raya36 wrote:
In post 1445, wellermanbob wrote:what if we beg really really pathetically
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Post Post #1464 (isolation #269) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:11 pm

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In post 1450, Chara wrote:
In post 1437, Titus wrote:
In post 1382, Mistyx wrote:
In post 1378, Titus wrote:Personal attacks are not ok, regardless of alignment. I just want to say that.

Scum is still jjh.
i think vax's reaction to being wagoned over jjh is hardclearing for jjh
Look at Vax's reaction in Booneytunes and tell me that again.

@Nancy, I'm not scum. I am sorry you felt attacked.
i think it's evidence towards jjh being town. but it's not hardclearing, Vax seemed annoyed at being run up but there was no particular ire towards jjh that i thought couldn't have been faked.
better evidence for jjh town would be voteparking Vax all day and not doing anything to find an alternative.
Why didn’t you make this post initially?
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Post Post #1465 (isolation #270) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:25 pm

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In post 1461, Red wrote:
I know Chara to be evil based on its claim

No technicalities

No doubt

The abyss beckons
@Chara why does scum!Red make this post? It’s suicide if he’s scum.

I also don’t believe your 180 wrt your reaction to Red guilty as well as your sudden read change on jjh. And why would scum!Titus try to dismantle your wagon but town!Titus wouldn’t? Why wouldn’t she if she honestly believed you were town here?

I think you’re scum and your buddy Titus is washing her hands of what she sees as a very obvious sinking ship, kind’ve how she hammered Vax.

There is also the glaring omission of what town!Titus is NOT doing and the complete absence of what I’d expect her to be doing here, further convonces me I’m not wrong here.
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Post Post #1466 (isolation #271) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:36 pm

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In post 1125, Alisae wrote:
VOTE COUNT 2 . 17
  • Mistyx
    --------------- 1 ( Infinity Zero )
    Titus
    ---------------- 1 ( Jjh927 )
    Catboi
    --------------- 1 ( Twins Akari and Mara )
    jjh927
    --------------- 1 ( Titus )
    Red
    ------------------ 0 ( No One )
    Smoke and Mirrors
    ---- 0 ( No One )
    Twins Akari and Mara
    - 0 ( No One )
    Chara
    ---------------- 0 ( No One )
    Wellermanbob
    --------- 0 ( No One )
    Raya36
    --------------- 0 ( No One )
    Infinity Zero
    -------- 0 ( No One )



    Not Voting
    ----------- 7 ( Chara, Wellermanbob, Red, Raya36, Catboi, Mistyx, Smoke and Mirrors )
Deadline is in (expired on 2021-01-17 20:01:00)
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Post Post #1470 (isolation #272) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:05 am

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In post 1191, Red wrote:
And Chara lived happily ever after...


...until one day,
it felt its sins crawling down its back.
It was horrifically murdered
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VOTE: Chara
:o. Wow, what do you guys make of this?
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Post Post #1471 (isolation #273) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:08 am

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In post 1079, Red wrote:
cha.ra

\ˈker-ə\

noun

  • culpable of or responsible for a specified
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    .
    "it was found guilty of owning a weapon of mass destruction"



  • the deliberate
    killing
    of a large group of people
    plural noun: genocide
    "it was a near mass extinction event"










cͮ̓ͣl͑̇ͮ͋̅̒aǐͮͯ̉̽́mͮ̓͌̄ͪ͐ y͛ͧͬ̓̆̅͋ö̈̆ür̄̌ͯ̅̅̊ rͬͫͪ̊͂̆ol̓̽ͧ̇̆̎̑e̒̆̇ͤͦ, ͗C͛̏ͫͪhͤả̎̔ra͑͐͐̚
In post 1461, Red wrote:
I know Chara to be evil based on its claim


No technicalities

No doubt

The abyss beckons
Looks like Red was reaction testing Chara and they failed. Apparently Red is some form of gunsmith, so had Chara claimed something like vig, there would likely have been no guilty.
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Post Post #1474 (isolation #274) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:03 am

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Perhaps. It was pretty obviously a hard guilty even before this.

Anyway, I think Titus saying that instead of voting me, she should have put it into HURT tags, reads scummy af to me, since what I was upset at her for was her making multiple posts shaming me for pretty much nothing but she makes it a point of saying that and Chara’s spending way too much effort in defending her, then once again waffles on her.
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Post Post #1475 (isolation #275) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:05 am

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In post 1438, Titus wrote:I probably should have used hurt tags rather than an outright vote on Nancy.
Why tf even make this post?
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Post Post #1476 (isolation #276) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:13 am

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In post 1451, Chara wrote:
In post 1169, Titus wrote:Ugh, I don't want to read up.

Red claimed a guilty on Chara?

Red had his bullshit push on me.

Strongly in favor of a Red lim by play.

I know strategically never eliminate the guilter before the guilty though.

While I am like 99.9% sure jjh is scum, it should be asked though...any chance of S v S?
pretty much this. besides the SvS thing.

unrelated to this post, i lean town on Titus. i'm not seeing her trying to subtly control the game the way she
tends
to as scum, and i don't think the way she's handled her VCA this game counts as that, either.
coming from the perspective of someone who also suspected jjh first overnight after double-ISOing him with Vax, even though i now think he's more likely town.

i also think scum Titus does more to actively try and dismantle the earlier wagon on me so she can claim cred for it later, instead of simply calling me town while not actively doing any defending.

This reads like a buddy defence to me. Basically, when Chara flips scum, we’re presumably supposed to tr Titus for the exact opposite. Why? Because if according to Chara, scum!Titus attempts to get
non-existent
towncred for dismantling their wagon, then they ought to be presumably tr for not deathtunnelling them as scum because apparently town!Titus almost never tries to control the gamestate. That is something NAI for Titus but Chara is trying to wifom us into tr Titus after they’re flipped.
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Post Post #1477 (isolation #277) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:21 am

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In post 1454, Chara wrote:
In post 1452, Raya36 wrote:Who do you think is scum then? You seem to have almost everyone as town
Red and kitty, possibly still Misty.

there is the possibility of being wrong on Titus as well, but i'm not sure how i'd quantify it against the possibility of being wrong on my other townreads. excepting the top three, but i'm actually not sure about bob anymore, though that is likely more to do with the passing of time than my initial thought being wrong.
I’ve seen town!Titus attempt to dismantle wagons on slots she hard trs as well plenty of time, so #1451 also reveals a perspective slip on Titus as well.

Titus not taking too much of a stand other that shading Red but not trying to save Chara is also weird. If you try to wagon my hard tr, I don’t just shade you and do nothing about it.

Town!Titus either believes the Red guilty or she doesn’t. If she believes it, she doesn’t shade Red. If she doesn’t, then why isn’t she trying harder to save Chara?
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Post Post #1478 (isolation #278) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:23 am

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In post 1169, Titus wrote:Ugh, I don't want to read up.

Red claimed a guilty on Chara?

Red had his bullshit push on me.

Strongly in favor of a Red lim by play.

I know strategically never eliminate the guilter before the guilty though.

While I am like 99.9% sure jjh is scum, it should be asked though...any chance of S v S?
This sounds superhedgey.
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Post Post #1481 (isolation #279) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:34 am

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Yeah, I think that the “any chance of SvS” thing speaks to a scum mindset. She is practically telegraphing how badly she wants to get you executed, rather then try to sort you. She’s basing her entire scumread on you on something Vax apparently did to his buddies in some games she never bothered linking. She hasn’t given one reason based on anything YOU’ve actually said/done. If VCA is her basis, then she should be hard tr you here.
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Post Post #1483 (isolation #280) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 7:28 am

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In post 1482, wellermanbob wrote:VOTE: Chara guess we doing this.

Also had a thought that Chara saying there was something off about the claim could also just be scum knowing its a fakeclaim from buddy tryna get wasy cred.

I'm really bad at mafia I guess.
I kind’ve doubt that. Chara wasn’t even on my scumdar prior to Red’s guilty but now that I think about it, there has been something tonally off about them. If you ISO them in either CoD or TBoNtB, you can see they make reads with pretty strong convictions where as here, many of their posts have been kind’ve hedgey or waffley. So, I doubt if you’re scum!Red you’d fake guilty the member of your team who has a very good chance to make it far in the game.

Besides, I’m pretty sure now it’s just Titus (maybe still Misty if Titus flips town) but everything in me is screaming that the game ends with Titus flip) and recent posts by both Titus/Chara plus associatives are making me think that Vax/Chara/Titus probably is the exact team.
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Post Post #1489 (isolation #281) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:29 am

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In post 1487, wellermanbob wrote:
In post 1483, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:I kind’ve doubt that
You wrote this then you completely agreed with my point

Do you need to read what I said again
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In post 1483, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 1482, wellermanbob wrote:VOTE: Chara guess we doing this.

Also had a thought that Chara saying there was something off about the claim could also just be scum knowing its a fakeclaim from buddy tryna get wasy cred.

I'm really bad at mafia I guess.
I kind’ve doubt that. Chara wasn’t even on my scumdar prior to Red’s guilty but now that I think about it, there has been something tonally off about them. If you ISO them in either CoD or TBoNtB, you can see they make reads with pretty strong convictions where as here, many of their posts have been kind’ve hedgey or waffley. So, I doubt if you’re scum!Red you’d fake guilty the member of your team who has a very good chance to make it far in the game.

Besides, I’m pretty sure now it’s just Titus (maybe still Misty if Titus flips town) but everything in me is screaming that the game ends with Titus flip) and recent posts by both Titus/Chara plus associatives are making me think that Vax/Chara/Titus probably is the exact team.


What part are you referring to? I said I doubt that Red is scum here. *confused*
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Post Post #1493 (isolation #282) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:02 am

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In post 1490, wellermanbob wrote:Yes I'm saying the facts can be put together to make sense in a Chara scum world.

Like how they reacted to Vaxkiller fakeclaim.
In post 780, Chara wrote:
In post 776, catboi wrote:You don't see anything towny about them, but have they done anything scummy? What don't you like about the claim? 「(゚ペ)
not seeing town behaviour is the same as seeing scum behaviour
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i don't like how Vax hasn't claimed a move name, seeing as that should be in there. there's something else but i don't think it's a good idea to discuss.
In post 777, catboi wrote:To follow further: The twins are voting vax. Do you dislike their vote on him?
i don't know, i think it's pointless to worry about it without flips. i haven't liked any of the twins votes, though. if you're implying i shouldn't be happy with the Vax wagon because the twins are on it? Vax is still a slot i'm fine flipping today.
You’re referring to this post, I’m assuming?

They shade Vax yet vote the twins? and not seeing town behaviour/= seeing scum behaviour. That translates to NULL behaviour, which is what CB pointed out. Also strange hedge on Twins’ Vax vote.
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Post Post #1496 (isolation #283) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:55 am

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In post 1492, Firebringer wrote:
VOTE COUNT 2 . 20
  • Chara
    ---------------- 9 ( Catboi, infinity zero, Raya36, Smoke and Mirrors, Twins Akari and Mara, Red, Misty, jjh927, wellermanbob )
    jjh927
    --------------- 1 ( Titus )
    Red
    ------------------ 1 ( Chara )
    Titus
    ---------------- 0 ( No one )
    Mistyx
    --------------- 0 ( No one )
    Smoke and Mirrors
    ---- 0 ( No One )
    Twins Akari and Mara
    - 0 ( No One )
    Catboi
    --------------- 0 ( No One )
    Wellermanbob
    --------- 0 ( No One )
    Raya36
    --------------- 0 ( No One )
    Infinity Zero
    -------- 0 ( No One )



    Not Voting
    ----------- 0 ( No One )
    11 Players still alive
Deadline is in (expired on 2021-01-17 20:01:00)
Gee I wonder who Chara’s buddy is? :lol:
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Post Post #1497 (isolation #284) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:01 am

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In post 1494, Mistyx wrote:can we get a unanimous wagon :eyes:
Titus is still voting jjh instead of guiltied scum.

HURT: Titus
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Post Post #1500 (isolation #285) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:16 pm

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In post 1499, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Not to mention that 1169 is a very weird reaction to a player claiming a hard guilty on another but who is she voting? Not Chara, not Red but jjh. Instead of her saying I’m not completely trusting it because he’s wrong on me, she just completely dismisses it and shades him while also claiming that it’s proper to elim Chara before Red without even knowing the flip but she ignores it in favour of her clearly preferred elim, which is of course jjh who’s as obvtown af here.
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Post Post #1515 (isolation #286) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:35 am

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I don’t even know, I’ll have to ask Pooky that.
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Post Post #1516 (isolation #287) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:36 am

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In post 1515, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:I don’t even know, I’ll have to ask Pooky that.
He just told me he thinks it was a draw.
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Post Post #1537 (isolation #288) » Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:54 pm

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VOTE: Titus
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Post Post #1552 (isolation #289) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:08 am

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In post 1551, jjh927 wrote:I'm pretty confident I have gone this entire game without voting town
I’m starting to think my D1 vote may have been on town. I getting town vibes from Misty now.
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Post Post #1553 (isolation #290) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:10 am

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In post 1551, jjh927 wrote:I'm pretty confident I have gone this entire game without voting town
Pooky’s already breadloafed our flavour multiple times. :lol:
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Post Post #1560 (isolation #291) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:30 am

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In post 1556, Raya36 wrote:
In post 1547, Titus wrote:
In post 1546, Raya36 wrote:I've felt pretty town on both of them. Why do you think they're scum?
Because of the vote patterns. I checked it several times.
Can you explain or show the patterns?
I’ve made a few posts requesting links to whatever game she keeps referencing but so far, she has not responded to that.

In CoD, jjh was first on obvscum D & D wagon, so I don’t understand what Titus is talking about.
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Post Post #1564 (isolation #292) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:09 am

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I am Pikachu!!! (Surprise Surprise!)

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My power is that whoever visits me at night has a 50% chance of becoming paralyzed!

Some evil person visited me last night and took away 3 HP points and I am ready to THUNDERBOLT them whenever I can.

but I haven't learned thunderbolt yet :(
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Post Post #1572 (isolation #293) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:34 am

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In post 1566, Twins Akari and Mara wrote:Magic bunny has a pikachu too! Let's be pikachu friends!

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This one was from Nancy. <3
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Post Post #1573 (isolation #294) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:35 am

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In post 1568, Twins Akari and Mara wrote:Image

:3

Mara really has to go to bed now though
You win, yours is better.<3
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Post Post #1624 (isolation #295) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:57 pm

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In post 1622, jjh927 wrote:Yeah can we go back to how Titus' main contribution to day 1 was defending Chara
I don’t know if I buy ungated commuter. That’s like a dream role and an imo an extremely unlikely one.
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Post Post #1626 (isolation #296) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:19 pm

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In post 1625, Titus wrote:
In post 1620, jjh927 wrote:Claiming ascetic makes you less likely to be shot
Yes but I didn't want invests to fail. I figured I would obvtown since I had been lately.
How? You made a really scummy vote on me and then you sr the slot who had a hard guilty on Chara? Like seriously what do you think remotely makes you obvtown here?
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Post Post #1627 (isolation #297) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:26 pm

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You voting jjh when there was a hard guilty on Chara looks really bad as well as their posts defending you. Also your #1 tr is like one of the most obvtown players in this game after D1.

Like none of what you’re saying really makes a lot of sense. You want to bait the NK despite being ungated commuter? Why would anyone with that role ever want to bait the NK. I don’t believe you.
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Post Post #1628 (isolation #298) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:26 pm

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In post 1627, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:You voting jjh when there was a hard guilty on Chara looks really bad as well as their posts defending you. Also your #1 SR is like one of the most obvtown players in this game after D1.

Like none of what you’re saying really makes a lot of sense. You want to bait the NK despite being ungated commuter? Why would anyone with that role ever want to bait the NK. I don’t believe you.
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Post Post #1629 (isolation #299) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:31 pm

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In post 1628, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 1627, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:You voting jjh when there was a hard guilty on Chara looks really bad as well as their posts defending you. Also your #1 SR is like one of the most obvtown players in this game after D1.

Like none of what you’re saying really makes a lot of sense. You want to bait the NK despite being ungated commuter? Why would anyone with that role ever want to bait the NK. I don’t believe you.
Oh you mean because you’d actually commute, not that you were actually trying to get NK’d? Okay fair. I just have trouble believing you’d actually get ungated commuter as a role.
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Post Post #1632 (isolation #300) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:50 pm

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In post 1630, catboi wrote:My flavor is skitty, obv ((≡^⚲͜^≡))

My ability is Cute Charm, in battle my opponent loses 1 atk.
If I visit anyone I form a neighborhood with them, but I can only use 1 move per cycle (meaning in battle or at night).

My move is growl, I just lower my opponent's attack by 1 in battle or lower the attack of someone I visit by 1 in their next battle. I haven't targeted anyone with it.
Can you post the pokemon please? No reason other than I just want to know what it looks like.
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Post Post #1663 (isolation #301) » Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:27 pm

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In post 1656, Titus wrote:I get it. Scum obvtowned. We've been drawing this out. It's almost certainly jjh but if not catboi.
You are not going to convince anyone of this by just repeating it ad nauseum. We need evidence. So far I’m not convinced it isn’t you. I find the full commuter role very difficult to believe and your play has been really scummy. That and Chara associatives.

The fact is if it really isn’t you, then neither your two main suspects have done anything to look worse than you, so maybe if you really are town and not bsing us, look elsewhere?

Unfortunately no one looks worse than you, so I can’t see whom else I should even vote for other than you. If there’s a deep wolf in this game, they definitely have obvtowned but this would probably be the first game ever that scum has deepwolfed this brilliantly that they have left no clues.
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Post Post #1678 (isolation #302) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 5:47 am

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In post 1677, Raya36 wrote:Clear: Infinity

Townread: Catboi, JJ, Twins

PoE: Mistyx, Titus, Bob, S&M
Have you even read my ISO? *smdh*
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Post Post #1680 (isolation #303) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 5:52 am

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In post 1679, Raya36 wrote:I'll read your iso now
Also, when did you change your read on Misty?
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Post Post #1703 (isolation #304) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:59 pm

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In post 1698, jjh927 wrote:If it's not Titus I think it might be twins? But I'm back to thinking it's just Titus after all
Unless someone else gives me a decent reason to change my vote, I can’t see a good reason to vote anywhere else.
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Post Post #1705 (isolation #305) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:42 pm

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In post 979, Titus wrote:
In post 975, jjh927 wrote:I don't get why any sane person would be scumreading me based on circumstances in another game that I wasn't in
VOTE: jjh

That's what scum says when caight by vca.
In post 981, Titus wrote:
In post 980, jjh927 wrote:What does your VCA say about the fact it's plurality
Nothing. It doesn't need to.
Speaking of, you haven’t done a single VCA in this entire game unless I somehow missed it?

#979 is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever heard and I don’t believe you believe it either.
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Post Post #1706 (isolation #306) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:50 pm

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Pooky tells me that Titus did the exact same thing to him that she’s doing to jjh here: Insisting he was scum due to VCA but never posted a single one and she flipped scum in that.
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Post Post #1710 (isolation #307) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:10 pm

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In post 1706, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:Pooky tells me that Titus did the exact same thing to him that she’s doing to jjh here: Insisting he was scum due to VCA but never posted a single one and she flipped scum in that.
In post 2655, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:titus is scum because koba lolol and she hasnt done a vca yet

bulge is scum because he didnt get hammered by lilith

this game is over


if you need me to flip green before you kill those 2 above then lol ok but if you manage to still lose to them then lololol ok fun-game-throw

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In post 2663, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:lol you never showed the work because you never did it
In post 2687, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 2681, Titus wrote:Also, VCA factors in what I know. I know I am town. I am pretty damn sure bulge is.
what vca ?

there's literally no vca from you.

you replaced into a doomed scum slot and you don't feel the need to put any effort into it because this game is over.
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Post Post #1715 (isolation #308) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:21 pm

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In post 1713, Titus wrote:I actually did a VCA that game.

This game, I don't care to flesh out my work again. I said Vax would only react that way if scum was bussing him. Thus jjh.

I know I am getting miselimmed anyway. Why spend time on my weekend VLA doing that?
Also why have you never linked any of this Vax stuff for us? I don’t just take someone’s word on something like that, I need them to actually back it up so I can read it for myself.
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Post Post #1716 (isolation #309) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:25 pm

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In post 1713, Titus wrote:I actually did a VCA that game.

This game, I don't care to flesh out my work again. I said Vax would only react that way if scum was bussing him. Thus jjh.

I know I am getting miselimmed anyway. Why spend time on my weekend VLA doing that?
Because if you’re actually town here, you have provided no evidence to back up your claim. Why haven’t you posted links or quotes for us, so we can evaluate what you’ve been talking about?
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Post Post #1720 (isolation #310) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:32 pm

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In post 1718, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12544063


Where? Find the post where you did that - made a VCA - because I couldn’t find it.
Can you find it then because I couldn’t?
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Post Post #1721 (isolation #311) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:34 pm

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In post 1717, Raya36 wrote:I definitely think Twins are town and they're starting to make me doubt JJ
Yeah I think they’re town as well.

UNVOTE:

How much time left?
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Post Post #1725 (isolation #312) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:47 pm

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In post 1724, Twins Akari and Mara wrote:
In post 1723, Momrangal wrote:
In post 1534, Firebringer wrote:


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Deadline is in (expired on 2021-01-24 20:01:00)
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Oopsie daisy
@mod, any possible chance of an extension?
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Post Post #1729 (isolation #313) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:56 pm

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In post 1726, catboi wrote:Why would we need one?
In post 1727, Firebringer wrote:
Why exactly are you requesting one?
Because we have under 20 hrs last I checked. Idk if we need one or not but I thought I should ask just in case.
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Post Post #1730 (isolation #314) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:59 pm

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In post 743, Titus wrote:Agreed. If I don't see a claim by the time I get lunch, I am hammering.
In post 744, Titus wrote:I really can't afford to wait much longer.
In post 745, wellermanbob wrote:I will be here until deadline. Don't hammer early
Maybe Titus could be right?
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Post Post #1740 (isolation #315) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:26 am

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In post 1739, Raya36 wrote:So you think Titus is scum but also believe his role claim?
Hey Raya, Titus is a SHE. I get really confused everytime you refer to Titus as a he because I’m not necessarily sure whom you’re referring to and yes, agree the twins are likely town. Not believing her role claim is one of the reasons I sr her but if jjh is confirming it, then why is he still sr her?

Iow, if you believe her role she’s probably town, if not scum, so I don’t understand how jjh can think her role is real and he obviously does and still think she’s scum here. Doesn’t her role making sense means she’s probably town?
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Post Post #1742 (isolation #316) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:26 am

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In post 1741, Mistyx wrote:i dont think its twins

something in my gut is telling me it might be catboi but i dont have much to substantiate that
Well I don’t see why scum!jjh confirms Titus’ role but idk. I guess it’s possible. Pooky told me he seems different here from the last game he played with him (catboi) but he didn’t specify and now that I no longer think it’s you means I need to re-evaluate but yeah, have really never understood the twins’ srs and they looked like the counterwagon to Vax.

I think it’s between those three but the thing is all that jjh had to say was that her role wasn’t real but he does believe it but why he sr the twins’ I really don’t understand and they have explained their town!Titus read right from the getgo. I’m not seeing it but it’s possible they’re seeing something I don’t. I don’t see anything remotely scummy about anything they’re doing. I think they’re town - right or wrong town I don’t know but their obvious conviction was enough to convince me to unvote.
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Post Post #1744 (isolation #317) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:35 am

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In post 1141, Chara wrote:bob Infinity and Nancy are town.
Raya, jjh, and the Twins are probably town based on lesser hunting mechanics colloquially known as "not intuition".

leaves Misty, Titus, kitty, and Red, and i think the last resolves itself mechanically, but i'll go over it better when i have time.
Thoughts? I obviously no longer think it’s Misty.
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Post Post #1745 (isolation #318) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:43 am

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In post 1743, Titus wrote:
In post 1733, jjh927 wrote:The main reason I'm back to thinking it's very likely to be Titus is because I think Titus' current play is that of defeated scum who don't want to draw this game out for ages. Town Titus should probably have jumped on the plan involving catboi
It's defeated town. Scum Titus puts on a show. I don't see any path to getting you eliminated, so why prolong a town loss?
If you’re town here, why can’t you make a case on either jjh or catboi? Why are so so defeated after the twins are hard vetoing your wagon?

And we need actual evidence, so if you’re actually town, you need to help stop us from miseliming you.


I honestly don’t know what to think rn except I very much doubt it’s the twins. Its between Titus/jjh/catboi. I don’t think it’s anyone else.
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Post Post #1750 (isolation #319) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 6:27 am

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In post 1748, Raya36 wrote:VOTE: JJ

I think I believe Titus's claim. I still think it's weird she happens to have a battle refusal ability but she claimed the commute. Not refusing my battle. So I don't see why she would raise red flags on purpose as scum.
I don’t know she’s usually not this hard to read. I don’t know. I just think the twins have been really townie.

VOTE: jjh

I hope this is right.
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Post Post #1754 (isolation #320) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 6:37 am

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In post 1752, Raya36 wrote:I'm thinking it's probably just JJ now but if we're wrong we can afford a miselim and try again the next day
It definitely concerned me that he sr the twins for the reasons he did. The twins’ defence of Titus - that kind of passionate response - never comes from scum - so I’m trusting them because jjh shouldn’t have them anywhere near his PoE.
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Post Post #1759 (isolation #321) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:25 am

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In post 1757, wellermanbob wrote:whats vc?
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Post Post #1760 (isolation #322) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:28 am

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In post 1758, Raya36 wrote:Technically if we wanted to you could target Titus which would roleblock the commute/battle refusal? Then I target Titus to battle and if I win then we get JJ and Titus both by the next day.

I'm not sure which of commute and roleblock is priority though
I like this and if game still doesn’t end we elim catboi but it probably does with jjh/Titus.
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Post Post #1920 (isolation #323) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:17 am

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In post 1786, Infinity Zero wrote:I don't particularly want to elim jjh, but I think gamma would object to voting twins here

I think no matter what scum did a weird bus, but I'm not sure whether scum is more likely on vax or chara d1

-Inf
I have no idea who’s scum if it’s not one of Titus/jjh/catboi. I still don’t understand jjh’s the twins’s possible sr. I think jjh is town now. :/
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Post Post #1923 (isolation #324) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:19 am

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In post 1790, jjh927 wrote:
In post 1564, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:I am Pikachu!!! (Surprise Surprise!)

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My power is that whoever visits me at night has a 50% chance of becoming paralyzed!

Some evil person visited me last night and took away 3 HP points and I am ready to THUNDERBOLT them whenever I can.

but I haven't learned thunderbolt yet :(
Did any of the claims answer what caused this?
I’ll ask him because I don’t understand wtf that’s about.
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Post Post #1925 (isolation #325) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:20 am

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In post 1793, jjh927 wrote:If any move is just gonna do some damage to someone in the night phase, it's tackle
If Twins tackled Smoke and Mirrors, it would stand to reason that if Twins are town then they scumread Smoke and Mirrors
Twins' early day 3 does not support that they scumread Smoke and Mirrors
???

Why would they?
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Post Post #1928 (isolation #326) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:22 am

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In post 1800, Infinity Zero wrote:VOTE: twins

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #1931 (isolation #327) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:25 am

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In post 1829, jjh927 wrote:All things being said, 3 is still the magic number in that it is the amount of damage that was taken in the night phase by Smoke and Mirrors
How does this or the tackle thing relate to your read on the twins?
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Post Post #1933 (isolation #328) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:26 am

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In post 1832, jjh927 wrote:The attack on smoke and mirrors is exactly why you have not claimed the night action part of your move
We were attacked?
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Post Post #1947 (isolation #329) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:34 am

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In post 1922, jjh927 wrote:I am confident they are the reason you took 3 damage
I honestly don’t understand the entire mech thing but I trust Infinity, so

VOTE: Twins
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Post Post #1954 (isolation #330) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:36 am

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In post 1936, jjh927 wrote:
In post 1564, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:I am Pikachu!!! (Surprise Surprise!)

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My power is that whoever visits me at night has a 50% chance of becoming paralyzed!

Some evil person visited me last night and took away 3 HP points and I am ready to THUNDERBOLT them whenever I can.

but I haven't learned thunderbolt yet :(
Ahh okay, I’m good with my vote then.
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Post Post #1958 (isolation #331) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:38 am

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In post 1946, Raya36 wrote:I'm thinking it's between JJ/Twins. If not then maybe Mistyx?

Who's clear again? Infinity and I thought I saw that Bob is too?
Well since we were actually attacked wouldn’t that clear us?
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Post Post #1961 (isolation #332) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:41 am

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In post 1959, Twins Akari and Mara wrote:Mara is sad all her friends think she's the bad guy
You apparently caused us damage according to that post jjh referenced that Pooky made.
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Post Post #1968 (isolation #333) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:44 am

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In post 1960, Raya36 wrote:Yeah you're clear too. I forget why Infinity was clear?
I guess they aren’t but I strongly tr them but I can’t ignore the mech argument because the twins haven’t denied attacking me or given some other explanation and as jjh said, why would town!twins attack their tr? So it looks like they are mech confirmed scum based on that.
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Post Post #1972 (isolation #334) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:47 am

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In post 1963, Raya36 wrote:Infinity claimed that chara paralyzed them
Oh well that’s obviously a very good reason. Based off of jjh twins attacking us argument, I think the game ends with their flip because why does town!them attack their tr? so it means that they’d have to be scum by mech for attacking us.
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Post Post #1974 (isolation #335) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:49 am

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In post 1971, Infinity Zero wrote:
In post 1958, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 1946, Raya36 wrote:I'm thinking it's between JJ/Twins. If not then maybe Mistyx?

Who's clear again? Infinity and I thought I saw that Bob is too?
Well since we were actually attacked wouldn’t that clear us?
How do we know you were attacked? I don't think you're scum by any means, but I don't think you're cleared

-Inf
Pooky claimed it and jjh referenced that post and apparently connected the dots to the twins doing it.
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Post Post #1977 (isolation #336) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:51 am

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In post 1973, jjh927 wrote:Just for clarification since I think you might misunderstand the argument; Twins have denied having an ability to cause someone damage at night. I just think that is a highly likely ability for tackle to have
Oh well according to Pooky, scum definitely did attack us but you connected that to the twins being our attacker. Correct?
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Post Post #1979 (isolation #337) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:52 am

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In post 1975, jjh927 wrote:Although, since you're here, could you clarify exactly what form the damage took?
In post 1976, jjh927 wrote:Was this a PM saying you took 3 damage in the night? Was there any more info than that?

Or was this a battle?
I’ll ask. I honestly have no clue.
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Post Post #1981 (isolation #338) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:54 am

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I wish this had been asked of me earlier because I can’t get ahold of Pooky rn.:/
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Post Post #1984 (isolation #339) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:01 pm

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In post 1982, jjh927 wrote:
In post 1980, jjh927 wrote:Can't you check your PMs?
Nothing helpful in our PMs, so I read our battle thread and Pooky specifically said something along the lines of evil people visiting us, so I’m assuming he didn’t mean the battle. Sorry until I talk to him that’s the best I can do but I think the damage was due to a visit not a battle. If I could reach Pooky, he could actually confirm this but that’s how it reads to me.
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Post Post #1987 (isolation #340) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:03 pm

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Pooky just confirmed it was after the battle.
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Post Post #1989 (isolation #341) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:04 pm

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In post 1987, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:Pooky just confirmed it was after the battle.
That someone made us lose our 3 hp or something.
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Post Post #1997 (isolation #342) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:12 pm

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In post 1990, jjh927 wrote:When did it happen, what description was given, and why does only pooky know about it?
Because I wasn’t paying attention and had you specifically asked me everything earlier I could have answered everything.
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Post Post #2000 (isolation #343) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:14 pm

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In post 1994, jjh927 wrote:I don't need this level of doubt
So ask me earlier I had plenty of time to find this out before now.
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Post Post #2003 (isolation #344) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:14 pm

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In post 1999, Infinity Zero wrote:
In post 1995, Twins Akari and Mara wrote:I just reqlized something

In theoretical scenario where I'm scum here how do I target pooky and kill red
How does anyone target S&M and kill red?

Are S&M just scum here?

UNVOTE:

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No we’re not. How tf is my not understanding any of this mech stuff make me scum?
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Post Post #2006 (isolation #345) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:16 pm

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In post 2002, jjh927 wrote:
In post 2000, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 1994, jjh927 wrote:I don't need this level of doubt
So ask me earlier I had plenty of time to find this out before now.
Yeah but if you took damage there's gotta be something in your PMs
I’ll check again. I’m trying to get ahold of him.
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Post Post #2008 (isolation #346) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:17 pm

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In post 2004, jjh927 wrote:Why don't you ask Firebringer or Alisae
I’ll pm them rn.
In post 2005, jjh927 wrote:or just get Pooky to pop on for 5 minutes idk
i already did.
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Post Post #2010 (isolation #347) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:21 pm

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n1 we fought a cramorant and failed to defeat it - we took 1 dmg

on n2 we fought the cramorant again and kicked its butt, we gained attack and a cool new move called THUNDER WAVE

then later firebringer pops in and says our HP is now reduced to 2 from 5.

so some bad person stole 3 HP from us.

thats basically everything that happened in our battle thread.
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Post Post #2012 (isolation #348) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:22 pm

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In post 2009, jjh927 wrote:It would be a PM titled N2 results or something similar
we've never gotten anything like that

everything has happened in our pokemon battle thread
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Post Post #2013 (isolation #349) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:23 pm

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In post 2009, jjh927 wrote:It would be a PM titled N2 results or something similar
I pmed both Alisae and Fire. No there’s nothing in my pms. It’s probably in the battle thread but I have no idea. 3 people can actually answer this: Pooky, Alisae and Fire.
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Post Post #2017 (isolation #350) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:26 pm

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It happened during N2. Pooky will explain it all after he finishes dinner.
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Post Post #2022 (isolation #351) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:29 pm

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In post 2017, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
Pooky will explain it all after he finishes dinner.
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Post Post #2026 (isolation #352) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:35 pm

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In post 2023, jjh927 wrote:Tell pooky to eat faster because we have 30 minutes and I want to reach some conclusions
I told him. I’m sorry you shouldn’t have waited until near deadline. I can’t stalk him. I messaged the mods, left 3 dms. I was under the impressions that all the battles were side quests. Had I known this was relevant, we wouldn’t even be in this situation.
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Post Post #2027 (isolation #353) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:36 pm

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In post 2024, jjh927 wrote:Like, right now, the 3 damage still adds up and it might just be slightly less simple than I thought

but I can very much see the scenario where this leads in a completely different direction and we aren't gonna have enough time to think it all through
What more do you want to know? He told me the attack happened after the battle on N2.
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Post Post #2028 (isolation #354) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:37 pm

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In post 2014, jjh927 wrote:Is the timestamp for Firebringer saying your health got reduced in between these two posts?
@Moderator am I allowed answer this question?
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Post Post #2031 (isolation #355) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:38 pm

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In post 2023, jjh927 wrote:Tell pooky to eat faster because we have 30 minutes and I want to reach some conclusions
im like starving and skipping dinner to answer these questions

are we done here?
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Post Post #2032 (isolation #356) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:38 pm

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In post 2030, jjh927 wrote:the battle happened before N2
yea battles happen before night

doesnt every 1 know this?
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Post Post #2035 (isolation #357) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:40 pm

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In post 2033, jjh927 wrote:Did it happen after N2, or after the battle but before N2?
i have msged the mod as to whether i can answer this question because I don't want to get modkilled
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Post Post #2049 (isolation #358) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:52 pm

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im like pretty sure i lost health as a result of someone's night action
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