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[BBmolla]

BBmolla. Please do something. I can't protect you forever.

I kind of think it's Andres but I don't think things will ever swing that way so I'm just sort of sitting here

[BBmolla]

Is Titus hammered?

[BBmolla]

We're still going to ignore Titus's VCA then?

And who did it

[BBmolla]

We're still going to ignore Titus's VCA then?

And who did it

Are you saying we should vote Andersvmb today?

I kind of think Ander is scum yeah

Guys I claimed VT like three times

[BBmolla]

I have a hard time naming any scum team without Anders on it and I’m curious what scum teams y’all see that don’t include him

[BBmolla]

I didn't flip so you didn't end up looking like garbage?

or did you mean something else

[BBmolla]

I misread

that post was at Luca, who would have looked like garbage if I flipped, yup

[BBmolla]

VOTE: NorwEE

[BBmolla]

I would like to rub in that you guys were wrong about Titus btw

[BBmolla]

day (n.)

Old English

dæg

"period during which the sun is above the horizon," also "lifetime, definite time of existence," from Proto-Germanic

*dages-

"day" (source also of Old Saxon, Middle Dutch, Dutch

dag

, Old Frisian

di

,

dei

, Old High German

tag

, German

Tag

, Old Norse

dagr

, Gothic

dags

), according to Watkins, from PIE root

*agh-

"a day." He adds that the Germanic initial

d-

is "of obscure origin." But Boutkan says it is from PIE root

*dhegh-

"to burn" (see

fever

). Not considered to be related to Latin

dies

(which is from PIE root

*dyeu-

"to shine").

Meaning originally, in English, "the daylight hours;" it expanded to mean "the 24-hour period" in late Anglo-Saxon times. The day formerly began at sunset, hence Old English

Wodnesniht

was what we would call "Tuesday night." Names of the weekdays were not regularly capitalized in English until 17c.

From late 12c. as "a time period as distinguished from other time periods."

Day-by-day

"daily" is from late 14c.;

all day

"all the time" is from late 14c.

Day off

"day away from work" is attested from 1883;

day-tripper

first recorded 1897. The

days

in

nowadays

, etc. is a relic of the Old English and Middle English use of the adverbial genitive.

All in a day's work

"something unusual taken as routine" is by 1820. The nostalgic

those were the days

is attested by 1907.

That'll be the day

, expressing mild doubt following some boast or claim, is by 1941. To

call it a day

"stop working" is by 1919; earlier

call it a half-day

(1838).

One of these days

"at some day in the near future" is from late 15c.

One of those days

"a day of misfortune" is by 1936.

Official Votecount 5.END

Titus (7): Luca Blight, Binatog13, Andresvmb, NorwegianboyEE, Momrangal, Gamma Emerald, DrippingGoofball

[E-0]

Hayker (1): chkflip, Titus
Momrangal (1): Vaxkiller

Not Voting (3): BBMolla, Hayker

With 12 players alive, an elimination has been achieved.

also

chkflip was scum off wagon

Titus wagon was not all town

so BBmolla/Vax teams are silly

[BBmolla]

like there's gotta be at least one scum in {Luca, Andres, NorwEE}

[BBmolla]

like there's gotta be at least one scum in {Luca, Andres, NorwEE}

Ok. But do you have any actual evidence.

day (n.)

Old English

dæg

"period during which the sun is above the horizon," also "lifetime, definite time of existence," from Proto-Germanic

*dages-

"day" (source also of Old Saxon, Middle Dutch, Dutch

dag

, Old Frisian

di

,

dei

, Old High German

tag

, German

Tag

, Old Norse

dagr

, Gothic

dags

), according to Watkins, from PIE root

*agh-

"a day." He adds that the Germanic initial

d-

is "of obscure origin." But Boutkan says it is from PIE root

*dhegh-

"to burn" (see

fever

). Not considered to be related to Latin

dies

(which is from PIE root

*dyeu-

"to shine").

Meaning originally, in English, "the daylight hours;" it expanded to mean "the 24-hour period" in late Anglo-Saxon times. The day formerly began at sunset, hence Old English

Wodnesniht

was what we would call "Tuesday night." Names of the weekdays were not regularly capitalized in English until 17c.

From late 12c. as "a time period as distinguished from other time periods."

Day-by-day

"daily" is from late 14c.;

all day

"all the time" is from late 14c.

Day off

"day away from work" is attested from 1883;

day-tripper

first recorded 1897. The

days

in

nowadays

, etc. is a relic of the Old English and Middle English use of the adverbial genitive.

All in a day's work

"something unusual taken as routine" is by 1820. The nostalgic

those were the days

is attested by 1907.

That'll be the day

, expressing mild doubt following some boast or claim, is by 1941. To

call it a day

"stop working" is by 1919; earlier

call it a half-day

(1838).

One of these days

"at some day in the near future" is from late 15c.

One of those days

"a day of misfortune" is by 1936.

Official Votecount 5.END

Titus (7): Luca Blight, Binatog13, Andresvmb, NorwegianboyEE, Momrangal, Gamma Emerald, DrippingGoofball

[E-0]

Hayker (1): chkflip, Titus
Momrangal (1): Vaxkiller

Not Voting (3): BBMolla, Hayker

With 12 players alive, an elimination has been achieved.

also

chkflip was scum off wagon

Titus wagon was not all town

so BBmolla/Vax teams are silly

[BBmolla]

unless you think the scum could also be in {Binatog, Mom, Gamma}

I just hthought we could exclude them

[BBmolla]

I think we need the Vig to Claim. I at least would like to have that.

Actually, it doesn't have to be a vig. 3P comes to mind.

what

are you high

[BBmolla]

it'd have to be an sk who was blocked 4 nights in a row in some way

I doubt it

[BBmolla]

I think Binatog should out their result

[BBmolla]

I’m pretty happy with my vote

[BBmolla]

I think Binatog should out their result

I'm guessing Binatog target Andresvmb.
Please confirm it though.

Sure, here we go.
Andres claimed VT right? Well I can confirm them. Andres was visited by rolecop (chkflip probably).

Mafia can target their partners technically

I’m not pushing that but Andres isn’t clear

[BBmolla]

It’d be funny if I was the vig wouldn’t it be

[BBmolla]

With this much power there might be 5 scum tbh

[BBmolla]

Awful posts from Luca

Would be down to switch there if the wind swung that way

[BBmolla]

Literally the only way y’all could screw up this if you don’t eliminate in all of BBMolla/Vaxkiller/Hayker.
And whatever other dweebs are voting me.

Titus wagon was 100% town

Why would scum do that

[BBmolla]

To be clear I’m saying you’re saying Titus wagon was 100% town

How do you seriously believe that

You seriously think a me/Vax scum team is like “yeah nah let’s not get the easy Titus miselim today”

That is seriously you think the scums master plan

[BBmolla]

Oh and Chkflip

So me Vax and Chkflip scum team all decided to not vote Titus

You seriously and honestly believe that is the reality we live in

[BBmolla]

Okay lol

Hope you guys are right on Vax but the fact of the matter is there’s one scum in {Luca/Andres/NorwEE}

[BBmolla]

Yes because if I was town I would hope that you guys would eliminate town

[BBmolla]

Literally the only way y’all could screw up this if you don’t eliminate in all of BBMolla/Vaxkiller/Hayker.
And whatever other dweebs are voting me.

Titus wagon was 100% town

Why would scum do that

Why is this so hard for you to believe? Like theoretically in a game with this many executions, some of them could easily be just by random chance all Town. Like it’s a bad argument to make. Because of instead of pointing at who you think could be Scum on the wagon (which you’re not doing at all), you’re throwing a theoretical argument to what derail a wagon today?

Cause I’m town

[BBmolla]

Hope you guys are right on Vax but the fact of the matter is there’s one scum in {Luca/Andres/NorwEE}

Why am I still on this solve? I want to see you make an argument agains Binatog. Because if you’re not doing that, then you’re being silly to think the Scum would waste their Role Cop who is under some massive suspicion on a buddy that particular night. There’s no common sense behind that at all and you should know better. Like I get that I’m not cleared and I don’t want people to assume that I am completely, but at the same time just trying to discredit me without making an actual argument against my slot or Binatog is bogus.

Scum would not use their Rolecop to target a buddy when they leaving alive a role watcher on purpose and most PRs are already mostly outed?

I seriously disagree

[BBmolla]

Like I said I hope Vax is scum cause miselimming me after a mafia elim is better than elimming town now and being in possible limlo

[BBmolla]

How does that answer my question at all? Okay you’re obviously going to insist you’re Town. But why is it impossible for a wagon to have formed with just all Town? I’ve been in games where that’s the case D1. And with a slot that has literally the entire game wrong (and go look at Titus’ ISO - it’s a mess), why is that unbelievable? I criticized Titus’ solves MULTIPLE times, and they WERE horrible.

I am having trouble believing someone seriously believes that

three mafia

all decided to not help a miselim

Show me one game where that happens and I’ll concede the point.

[BBmolla]

Scum would not use their Rolecop to target a buddy when they leaving alive a role watcher on purpose and most PRs are already mostly outed?

I seriously disagree

Go see if chkflip ever crumbs their target. If they did, then you could possibly make this ridiculous argument. If you can’t, then this is just idiotic.

It’s not.

[BBmolla]

Like who works under the assumption that the Scum would use their Role in a game that is obviously incredibly heavy on PRs to target their buddy in the hopes that the backup Watcher targets the buddy.

For the hope that they are “cleared” in a situation where the rolecop isn’t necessarily needed anymore

If I had to guess I would have guessed all roles were outed by yesterday

[BBmolla]

How does that answer my question at all? Okay you’re obviously going to insist you’re Town. But why is it impossible for a wagon to have formed with just all Town? I’ve been in games where that’s the case D1. And with a slot that has literally the entire game wrong (and go look at Titus’ ISO - it’s a mess), why is that unbelievable? I criticized Titus’ solves MULTIPLE times, and they WERE horrible.

I am having trouble believing someone seriously believes that

three mafia

all decided to not help a miselim

Show me one game where that happens and I’ll concede the point.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12144862

I concede the point

[BBmolla]

Like I don’t understand why you think I just make shit up.

It’s more NorwEE than you, their leaps in logic this game have been ???

Like why did they assume third party?

[BBmolla]

Like even if somehow it was one

Who assumes that it’s third party who miskilled 4 nights in a row rather than a 1-shot Vig

[BBmolla]

Like why did they assume third party?

No vig claim.

There were still two people unclaimed at that point

It’s an enormous leap

[BBmolla]

To argue that i’m insane to believe it could be third party is literally TMI’ing that there are 4 scum.

To make that assumption you’d be much more likely scum

All I know is with the info I have there’s no way I’d make that guess

[BBmolla]

I stand by everything I’ve said regardless of flips or whatever

There’s like 8 power roles or some shit in this game they just keep coming out of the woodwork

[BBmolla]

Actually I’m starting to think Norwegian has a point. The reason the Vig is not outting is because they completely ruined the Scum plan and would get immediately shot by them at Night.

NorwEEs point is they aren’t claiming cause they are third party not this lol

[BBmolla]

Those points are tied together. If the Vig is 3p, that’s the first execution in ELo with 4 flipped Scum and the game not over. No?

There can’t be a Vig.

It can only be a serial killer if it’s third party.

[BBmolla]

Which as far as I’m aware has compulsive kills

What’s a plausible theory as to how these kills were blocked?

[BBmolla]

I’m just saying it’s a leap of logic

[BBmolla]

But if the Vig *doesn’t* have to claim, and they want to take more shots, then that would be a good reason not to out.

Yep that is a reasonable assumption and I’ve never disputed it

[BBmolla]

Which as far as I’m aware has compulsive kills

What’s a plausible theory as to how these kills were blocked?

What do you mean.
Not even mafia has compulsive kills.

In my experience SK kills are compulsive but it doesn’t look hard enforced so I guess if we’re under the assumption kills aren’t compulsive I can see the leap in logic

[BBmolla]

If it’s Hayker/Vax than obviously I’m content I just doubt that

[BBmolla]

Can I go first

I’m town and I don’t want to get limmed tomorrow

VOTE: BBmolla

[BBmolla]

Yeah never mind we don’t have the miselims to win this we’ve lost

UNVOTE:

[BBmolla]

I’m gonna get miselimmed in lylo after all this shit unbelievable

[BBmolla]

look boys I’m town

we can’t really afford my miselim

what can I do to help y’all see my role pm without me sending it to you

[BBmolla]

Can I also say noncompulsive SKs are stupid and this is exactly why they shouldn’t be normal

[BBmolla]

I hope Hayker is last mafia to at least prove I’m not last mafia I just got pocketed by Chk

[BBmolla]

And that I’m just bad lul

[BBmolla]

All my people who think I’m town got killed the last two nights

I would not kill Mom over Gamma, that’s suicide

[BBmolla]

Vanilla Townie here. Glad Chk died in the night. Now where do we go from here. bina is almost certainly town. Would have to be another big gambit to not be. Would not be worth I think for mafia to try. Titus was too self confident in her reads. Even so I want to consider at least BB on her list of targets.

Luca Blight, Binatog13, Andresvmb, NorwegianboyEE, Momrangal, Gamma Emerald, DrippingGoofball

These are the final votes on Titus. From there I can whittle down to norwegian, andres, GE, Luca, mom, in that order of my suspicians.

VOTE: norwegianboy

hayker, with 26 posts, likely killed Binatog who was their most certain townread.

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Hayker

[BBmolla]

I'm not sure whether ya'll thinking I could actually be an SK in this game is a compliment or insult lmfao

[BBmolla]

we want to no lim or nah?

[BBmolla]

I think it's probably just Luca, he's been pretty detached the last two days compared to you two

[BBmolla]

let's take our time ye

[BBmolla]

NorwEE

do you think I am bad or good at this game

if you think I'm good then you can think I'm SK

if you think I'm bad than I've got to be town cause I'm alive

[BBmolla]

I am content to take the compliment or be considered town, I win either way lmao

[BBmolla]

Molla can you explain why you trusted Hayker/Vaxkiller in their push on me yesterday?

cause of this

Okay lol

Hope you guys are right on Vax but the fact of the matter is there’s one scum in {Luca/Andres/NorwEE}

at that point I thought Luca's push on me midgame was bad town but I feel meh about that now

The moves you were making seemed very convenient for the incorrect reality I was where Vax and Hayker weren't scum.

If people still think I’m scum kill me

I don’t want to be this fucking miselim that scum hangs onto till then and pushes through

Like WTF is this BBmolla?

I have absolutely zero confidence in any of the town leaders to not miselim me in LYLO

I mean, sure it's looking weird for SK to post this based on surface level logic.
But Molla isn't actually claiming he wants to just be the elimination. It's that he wants to live through ElO. Which is kinda 3 party ish? I mean he's accepting that he might get limmed early here, but he also really wants to survive to the end because he doesn't trust "town leaders" to let him.

This is more of a pride thing, I'm pretty sure I said the same thing in the last team mafia Team Mafia, I can look. Being the final miselim in a game is just very insulting. And to be that pawn that scum keeps till the end for the easy miselim is the most insulting thing that could happen in a game of mafia I think.

[BBmolla]

tbh I can't find another time I requested to die before ELO because I haven't had that little faith in the people in my games to read me accurately recently

I'll keep looking

[BBmolla]

i guess these are similar sentiments
here's a freakout I had in team mafia

yeah idk I guess I have nothing for it.

I really haven't been in a scenario like this in a long time.

[BBmolla]

if you didn't trust the other players to accurately read you and you're commonly miselimmed or at least run up, wouldn't you rather it be earlier than be the elim to lose the game?

[BBmolla]

also sk me kills chkflip my person fighting the most for me being town?

idk bros

there's WIFOM and then there's just fucking myself if I'm SK and uh

[BBmolla]

I appreciate that you think I'm good cause of my joindate

I promise you that I'm not though, my reads were so wrong in team mafia that most of the final day was spent trying to get me to elim the two mafia who I was hard defending lul

[BBmolla]

VOTE: No Lim

I’m A-Okay forcing the SK to happily ever after if he refuses to kill

[BBmolla]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ever_after

Basically we force the SK to kill or the game ends in a draw

[BBmolla]

We would have to ask the mod after how many no kills/no lims they’d call the game

I imagine being this close to victory the SK will break before we do

[BBmolla]

@mod: after how many no lim/no kill cycles would you call the game?

[BBmolla]

:/

[BBmolla]

this "x deserves to win anyway" crap is garbage

we can win this

just no lim and force the SK to kill so we have a better chance to hit him

[BBmolla]

I’m not the SK can whichever one of you is town use your brain for three seconds

[BBmolla]

I wouldn’t have killed mom ever, I wouldn’t have killed Chk

I wouldn’t insist it’s not an SK

I wouldn’t fake claim Miller

These aren’t risks they would be suicide

I can link scumplay if you want, they’re short games cause I don’t make it to ELO

[BBmolla]

Whichever of you is town I’m fucking policy limming if I ever play with you again

[BBmolla]

To be so fucking lazy the final day

To throw away a game we’re so close

Fuck you

[BBmolla]

It reminds me a bit of that newbie game where a guy said we should no lim for 5 day phases or until the sole remaining mafia goon failed to kill the tracker... Instead of just eliminating the mafia that was already pretty much suspected by everyone already. And we got in a huge fight over it because he insisted we play "optimally" while i argued it was just stupid and he started scumreading me as an result.

True story.

This reminds me of a game where I wasn’t fucking scum and I got limmed in ELO by a fucking moron

[BBmolla]

I think it's probably just Luca, he's been pretty detached the last two days compared to you two

I've been busy recently.

A sk would likely become more involved the nearer to the end they get, as it's basically their time to shine. Before then they need to keep under cover. So I've done pretty much the opposite of that. After the chkflip flip the game was an easy solve from a Mafia PoV, and I've lost a bit of interest now I know there's an sk at large, as I don't find sk hunting fun at all.

Luca if it’s you, to fucking throw the game cause you “don’t feel like SK hunting” fuck you

If you’re SK wp

[BBmolla]

This is why I wanted to be limmed days ago

Cause otherwise I’m the default in ELO cause I didn’t trust you morons to read me correctly

Thanks for the meta I guess

Get fucked, honestly.

[BBmolla]

Not as scum I’ll tell you that much

[BBmolla]

Vanilla Townie here. Glad Chk died in the night. Now where do we go from here. bina is almost certainly town. Would have to be another big gambit to not be. Would not be worth I think for mafia to try. Titus was too self confident in her reads. Even so I want to consider at least BB on her list of targets.

Luca Blight, Binatog13, Andresvmb, NorwegianboyEE, Momrangal, Gamma Emerald, DrippingGoofball

These are the final votes on Titus. From there I can whittle down to norwegian, andres, GE, Luca, mom, in that order of my suspicians.

VOTE: norwegianboy

hayker, with 26 posts, likely killed Binatog who was their most certain townread.

[BBmolla]

Regarding your non AtE points.
Chkflip claimed Vanilla cop which i’d expect to be the target of any SK even if they defend your slot.
Insisting it’s not SK does fall in line with a game where nobody was aware of this possibility until Chkflip died in the first place.
Momrangal could have been scum kill too? Did we ever clarify that it had to be the SK kill? What was the reasoning behind that?
Fake claiming miller is unfortunateky, rather convenient for a 3P role so even if it’s not advisable i don’t see why SK couldn’t do it.

I wouldn’t claim Miller as SK and retract it

That’s how you fucking don’t make it it to end

[BBmolla]

Also, if you aren’t SK. Who is? I’d like to see more solving from you than AtE if you are in fact the final mislim you keep bringing up.

I’ve got a green PM, I’d love to try to narrow it down one more, maybe they’re compulsive after day 3 or some shit idk it’s worth a try

And we have time to fucking hunt, all you did was reread my ISO

[BBmolla]

Like fuck just ask yourself who it would be if it wasn’t me

Or fucking try to ask me more idk

All of you have the wrong solve so whatever I can do to help

[BBmolla]

Do any of you have experience with each other other than this game?

[BBmolla]

I’m busy next couple days. If you want to lose feel free to vote me. I’ll aim for a full exploration Monday.

[BBmolla]

SK if you don’t kill you’re a jabroni

[BBmolla]

GG, well played all, fun game, I suvked

[BBmolla]

btw in terms of SKs, I thought giving them non-con commuting was cool