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[Andresvmb]

u are trying to say i played like an absolute fucking dunce

And no I’m not trying to say this at all. I would have tried to defend Cook as a Partner there actually. I don’t think it has anything to do with your play - I think Cook was terrible Scum. They couldn’t throw out a believable view of the game to save their life. I think at least at first I would have tried to defend and then after realizing it wasn’t possible I would have bussed. But you did try very strongly to move it away and I can’t just ignore all of that.

the tone ur approaching me with is so fucking complacent i dont believe ur heart is really in this

It’s never fun for me to vote for you. You know this. It has nothing to do with where my heart is. I think I understand that even if this is wrong, I would do this against a slot with a lot of swagger and sway in a game that had played D1 like you did.

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i widened the gap considerably between jim/cook wagons by switching my vote over.

I believe it was between Cook and I at that point, but I recognize what you’re saying. I mean look I am certainly far from sure about this one. But that was a weird D1 from you you got to admit that.

[Andresvmb]

I also have a feeling that Koba starting arguing forcefully for me as Town (to Cook) in thread because they felt it would be far more beneficial for them if Cook pushed something else, potentially to get me to focus less on them (after all, part of my analysis did have to do with their bad vote on my slot).

couldn't this be done in a scum pt?

Yeah, possibly. That’s true. Koba could have tried to coach Cook onto better responses / pushes, and a Claim that could have helped. And yeah I admit that Koba does probably try and protect the Mason by claiming Mason. That’s all possible. I just want to make sure I’m not avoiding the obvious conclusion because I like Koba and respect their play. There being a higher standard is playing a role for me I’m not going to deny that.

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guess I should of been specific, why are you voting for cook

Shallow reads, sheeping dk, awkward tone. Also, I thought it would be comical to vote for him after he asked why my vote was still on Flea.

Andres wagon does not look good from my prespective. Egix, cook, tris, and geraintm all have decent chances to be scum imo. Seems like there's a good chance one or possibly two scum are/were on that wagon.

Tris' voting habits are a bit strange to me, not explicitly scummy but yeah

Coming around to nopoint being town. His analysis of cook was good and our prespectives seem to be lining up. Makes me think he has a towny mindset.

Koba this is some mighty distancing if Lotus is Scum no?

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they voted for me after then were absent for 300 posts THEN voted cook.

Okay but they are also leaving themselves no option to move onto a slot that might have actually happened as an alternative to Cook (me), without looking ridiculous. It’s also a bit what exposes one of Cook’s flaws yesterday right? Where they say that they SR Facebones but vote me with barely much in the form of content from my slot, and without voting their SR?

[Andresvmb]

they voted for me after then were absent for 300 posts THEN voted cook.

Okay but they are also leaving themselves no option to move onto a slot that might have actually happened as an alternative to Cook (me), without looking ridiculous. It’s also a bit what exposes one of Cook’s flaws yesterday right? Where they say that they SR Facebones but vote me with barely much in the form of content from my slot, and without voting their SR?

ok but this is literally similar reasoning to what ur using to say im scum though and i actually have progression thats natural here

Okay but that post from Lotus comes before I come back from being absent and where I look like a real possibility.

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@Mod I’m VLA until tomorrow night.

Noted

[Andresvmb]

Okay apologies - I really got carried away with a different game.

I believe at this stage, we need more content from the players that are not voting. I don’t know what people expect is going to happen if they don’t actually contribute.

[Andresvmb]

@Mod I’m VLA until tomorrow.

Also, there’s been a lot of resistance to the Koba execution, even though there’s a lot there that’s shady. I will wait on Gamma to come in but in my opinion, we need to eliminate the slot.

Also, geraintm building as an alternative is mighty interesting. They’re a very difficult slot to read properly, and they ARE wrong about me. So I don’t have a whole lot of sympathy. But if I had to guess, I would say the slot is Town and potentially building as a counterwagon to Scum. So I would be careful with that.

If Koba flips Scum, execute Facebones with prejudice btw.

[Andresvmb]

There’s definitely like 3 Town on that wagon. If this really was Town, it probably would have gotten hammered already. Somebody needs to just do it.

VOTE: Gamma

Just in case it wasn’t entirely clear.

[Andresvmb]

Any year now.

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VOTE: Facebones

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Town:
No Point
Flea
RLotus

Null:
Tris
Jim
Geraintim

Scum:
DkKobra
Andre
Egix

First of all, this is really why I’m voting here. And second, I think Koba might have been right.

Also, Tris had Egix96 as Town, so I’m going to let off there for a bit, see where this takes us.

[Andresvmb]

What issue(s) do you see with that reads list?

Egix no offense but

you

should clearly see the issue with the reads list. Unless you’re going to openly admit that you’re Scum, two of the bottom three are for sure wrong from your POV.

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And how am I more Scummy than geraintm for example? And why is Jim null? It’s a completely absurd list.

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Though to be fair, the biggest problem with this maybe and something to think about, is that Tris is Null and was shot, and flipped Vanilla. Scum maybe would want to avoid that, and perhaps shoot amongst the more obvious Town. Then again, I do believe I understand why nopoint wasn’t fired at.

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On the other hand, Koba has been largely spot on actually when it comes to some of the reads they threw out D2. If you go back and look through them, they were being pretty good.

[Andresvmb]

very self-centered I know, but does anyone see me as scum?

How about you tell me where your head is at right now and maybe I’ll answer this question?

Hold on I’ll be back I’m going to make some juice.

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@Jim, RLotus get back in here and talk to me.

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And egix has been calling you scum so maybe you aren't as obvtown as a I perceive.

Sigh.

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But andres has the mason claim.

Nopoint claimed Mason, not me. I do not have that Claim.

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I kinda touched on this before in my 1339 but Jim hadn't said anything which stood out to me as obv!town like the top tier of my list.

Except for the fact that they were the Counterwagon to Scum? That didn’t jump out at you at all?

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You and Cook both then jumped onto the Polaris and Jim wagons before you finally decided that Cook was probs gonna be elimmed anyway and wanted to distance yourself from him so you re-voted for him.

This would be funny if it wasn’t so obviously untrue. I think I was an important vote (as was Koba btw) in getting Cook through the finish line. And my vote did not just come late in the wagon when it was a sure thing. I actively engaged Koba to get it through. As did nopoint of course who was right from the start (and who I was TR’ing for it, mind you).

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In retrospect this seems to me like scum getting frustrated. I'd argue that both remaining scum were already on the DkKobra wagon, and Andre was trying to guide town into mis-elimming, whether it was me or Tris or whoever frankly...

I posted that only because Tris seemed to be dancing around it for a long time, knowing that we likely weren’t getting a different outcome out of that day.

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Andre and DkKobra's interactions seemed... weird. My guess is scum!Andre didn't want to elim town!DkKobra D1 because as he stated earlier, DkKobra is the only reason why Andre signed up for this game in the first place, and there was plenty of other viable options on D1.

So many options, in fact, that I landed on my Partner and advocated for that execution. Seems legit.

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I’m upgrading geraintm for their catch-up actually, it seems rather reasonable, even if I don’t agree about RLotus at present (though I don’t like that opening that they left just recently).

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^opening on me that is.

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for some reason a worm at the back of my head is whispering that andres is a bit scummy but another one says he has a good point on facebones and im conflicted
logic points to facebones but instanct says it's gotta be andres

It’s a good thing you

really

don’t have to worry about my alignment this game.

So why is logic telling you Facebones is Scum? I want you to give me your perspective.

[Andresvmb]

To be clear, I very much read you town. My point was I don't think the rest of the thread sees you as obvtown as I do.

Ah, yes. I re-read, and I see what you mean. I did in fact misinterpret that at first.

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so, andres looks much worse than i initially had.

I am trying to help you here - you’re wasting your time. I’m not Scum and you’re looking in the wrong place. Being so stubborn about it is not a good look for you.

[Andresvmb]

My guess is scum!Andre didn't want to elim town!DkKobra D1 because as he stated earlier, DkKobra is the only reason why Andre signed up for this game in the first place

Hardly relevant imo.

Hypothetical: You join a game only because of person A. You roll scum, they roll town- would you want to vote for person A on D1 and have them eliminated for the rest of the game or would you prefer to keep them around for a bit longer and sheep their reads, in a very similar vein as one of your scum buddies (Cook) did?

I’ll answer here because I’m actually a bit offended that anybody would assume that I would not play to my win condition under all circumstances.

I would absolutely as Scum do everything in my power to win that was within the rules and in the good spirit of the game. If that involved either trying to pocket someone I like in the game, or hard pushing that same person, if the situation called for it, I would do it.

So no, don’t ever assume I would behave some other way just because I’m playing with someone I like. As either alignment. I may have my own biases and blind spots, but I wouldn’t intentionally try and sabotage whichever side I was on just because I had signed up to a game to play with someone. And besides, that was quite exaggerated - yeah, I like Koba, but I would never give up my game for someone else.

[Andresvmb]

Is your wincon to eliminate DjKobra?

I’m sorry, I forget. Didn’t you hammer?

[Andresvmb]

So why are you being so sanctimonious about a wrong execution?

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If that involved either trying to pocket someone I like in the game, or hard pushing that same person, if the situation called for it, I would do it.

One would think when that person is as controversial as DjKobra, it would make it a lot easier

Koba is much better than you seem to be giving them credit for here. Yeah they make mistakes like everybody else. But they’re actually quite difficult to eliminate as Scum. I’ve been on the other side of it. Which is why I felt that given Koba’s play D1, perhaps getting it done sooner rather than later might be more beneficial. They actually looked through the game though and left a lot of thoughts behind, some of which I actually think are helpful.

[Andresvmb]

The problem I have with you Facebones right now is that you’re hellbent on painting everything I’m doing as Scummy, without consideration for anything else. But you seem unwilling to vote me for some reason. Why is that?

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You even voted for yourself before putting a vote down for me. If I’m so obviously Scummy, then why haven’t you done that yet?

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Look if I’m staring at this objectively, the fact that no alternative wagon is building at all, and that you almost got hammered so quickly does not give me a whole lot of confidence that you’re Scum, for what it’s worth. D2 went somewhat similar to this, and though I haven’t compared wagons yet, I have a feeling this isn’t going the right direction. So help me here.

[Andresvmb]

If geraintm is Town in this game, and based on their analysis it’s totally possible that they are, then you’ll notice that {bugspray, RLotus} do in fact start to look a lot worse relative to you Facebones. So help me out here. Stop seeing me as Scum (I’m really not, in a demonstrable kind of way), and start focusing on other slots.

[Andresvmb]

I’ll do this for now.

UNVOTE:

[Andresvmb]

so, andres looks much worse than i initially had.

I am trying to help you here - you’re wasting your time. I’m not Scum and you’re looking in the wrong place. Being so stubborn about it is not a good look for you.

Being so stubborn in "I'm town and ya'll need to get over it " isn't helping

Except I don’t have to direct it at most people because I’m being correctly read as Town here. It’s mostly just you and Facebones, and I have a real hard time differentiating between bad and Scum. I’m being insistent only because (i) I’m not getting executed today but (ii) because I want to see how your view of the game changes if you actually look at what’s transpired and drop the nonsense that I’m Scum, if at all. I mean you’re pushing Lotus right now so I’m not at the bottom of the list, but Facebones seems far more convinced that I’m Scum and I’m trying to see how they pivot if at all.

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Like geraintm let’s get real. You’ve basically tunneled me 3 days in a row. You’ve barely looked past me, only to shade a slot in Lotus that I’ve for the most part TR’ed but I can see why you might suspect them. Like it’s not out of the question, but I also don’t think they’re the most likely person to strike Scum here.

[Andresvmb]

Cook has been quite awkward as has been pointed out many times. Not sure if that is just how he plays as town, but still a reasonable chance we just hit scum there. This is where my vote is going if it is between Jim and Cook.

And like you’re going to have to explain this sort of post and not just “oh that’s Scum distancing” if you want to convince me that Lotus is Scum.

[Andresvmb]

In case I didnt make it obvious enough: My interpretation is I think scum want to get out the only voice who was somewhat verbally opposed to their agenda of eliminating Cook

And like look at this right. Facebones here calls the potential elimination of Cook “Scum’s agenda”. Do you get why now people are mistrustful of that slot?

[Andresvmb]

Sure, it just felt towny in the scenario. There was traction gaining on Cook and seemed like the scum team could just bury him there, if he is town. Ok it is entirely possible Jim does that as scum, but his intentions felt towny in that spot.

I mean again. I’m not sold that Scum wanted to sink their Roleblocker. I’m just not. So this is the sort of thing that really sways me away from Lotus.

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: geraintm

I’ll put my vote here for now.

[Andresvmb]

Alright well I really tried. I did. You just can’t seem to grasp anything I’m saying so.

[Andresvmb]

Spoiler: Bottom of page 28 to end of D1

698 - Would guess that Jim/Andres are same alignment based on this post.

712 (Lotus) - Some superficial town feels here.

717 - Interesting that Flea is still here then.

739 (Bones) - Lamist post.

758 - +town for Andres.

762 - I think others have touched on this point recently, and yes, it is part of why I suspect Bones.

786 (Zuko) - "Idk why I feel that way about flea, maybe cos they were quick to go into the town block.. idk exactly I'll try to come back to this." - I'm looking at this post and thinking, what part of this could have motivated scum to kill this person? I think this part is a bad look for Flea but then again that's not really a direction I feel confident pushing in. The only other part of this Zuko post that I think could have any relevance is the "I'm paranoid about DK..." section, if only to solidify the viewpoint of Koba looking bad upon Cook flipping scum.

789 (geraint) - I actually think it's pretty towny that he was willing to give a "no idea" response when he wasn't even sure if the question was meant for him.

796 - It seems like Flea might have had a similar thought too.

822 (Hawkins) - I think this is unlikely to have been a bus, considering that a lowposter would not want to lose a buddy, especially when Hawkins could have simply tried to keep pushing on geraint.

829 (Flea) - Oof, that's a scummy "agreed" given the context.

853 (Cook) - Andres might just be spewed town from this - using a bunch of pointless statistics to explain the vote on Andres suggests that Cook was desperate to see it through.

860 (geraint) - +town for calling Cook out on his BS.

992 (geraint) / 994 (bugspray) - More town-feelsy stuff.

1007 (Flea) - Disregarding the "I'll get to that later"-type parts, this catchup is mostly throwing shade at people. Sure, there's a Cook vote at the end, but I don't really think it affords town points since Cook was already in anti-spew mode judging by 1000.

1025 (tris) - "not sure who the other mafs are yet. gonna go take a look. if had to guess a name right now, i'd say... maybe facebones after all." - Could well be that this was one reason for tris being NKed. Wouldn't be too blatant since this was a D1 post.

tl;dr Flea/Bones scumteam??

I think you may have a point. That, and the post about how there’s Scum on that wagon that happened today. But that’s only conditional on Facebones actually flipping Scum.

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@Facebones now is the time to Claim. I won’t hammer you just yet, but you do need to claim.

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I'd like to point out that Andre and Bugspray are the only remaining players who were onboard the Jim wagon, the alternate wagon to Cook on D1. The other 2 players on the Jim wagon (Tris and DjKobra) both flipped town. I highly doubt Cook was the only mafia member voting for Jim, and incidentally both Andre and Bugspray were also on the DjKobra wagon as well as mine. PoE says one of them must be scum.

I have reasons to think bugspray could in fact be Scum. I even pointed out to you that {bugspray, RLotus} suddenly look a lot worse if you assume geraintm is Town for example. So it isn’t crazy.

But I’m going to insist that you move on from shading my slot because it’ll make you look foolish. I really can’t hint at this any harder than I already have.

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I am not sure what my incredibly scummy behaviour is. Not voting day 1 is what I do every game

Except your vote was on me if I’m not wrong? I’ll go look.

[Andresvmb]

ooh, quotes went wrong there but VOTE: andresvmb

Like right here? What are you talking about?

[Andresvmb]

Saying that you didn’t vote D1 when you did is kind of silly so I’m assuming this isn’t completely AI but what I do find interesting is that you seem to be leaning into your Town meta *without actually adhering to it here*. You have been vocal about your suspicions on my slot even after I was an important voice (but not more important than say nopoint) in eliminating Cook.

[Andresvmb]

And it’s been the case since early in the game. So much so that you put a vote down on my slot. And even after I keep insisting you’re way wrong (in a way that can be shown), you still maintain your silly position. I don’t get it.

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: Bugspray

If there was ever any indication that we could be wrong about Facebones, I presume this would be it? I would have voted geraintm there as Scum.

[Andresvmb]

Unless it’s exactly their buddy in which case you don’t have much of a choice haha

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@Facebones you still need to claim. So maybe stop stalling if you don’t want to get randomly hammered here.

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I’m going to give you that Facebones could very well be Town, though honestly I do think Facebones should have claimed but at this time there’s not enough there. But I don’t know that it’s *super* likely that both Facebones and geraintm are both Town, but sure I could be very wrong I’ve been way off before no reason to think I couldn’t be here.

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Vote Count 1.16 FINAL

Cook (7):Andresvmb, Jim Hawkins, DkKoba, nopointinactingup, Flea The Magician, RLotus, Prince Zuko

Andresvmb (2):

geraintm, Egix96

nopointinactingup (2):

tris, Cook

Egix96 (1):

Facebones

geraintm (1):

bugspray

Not Voting (0):

With 13 alive it takes 7 votes to eliminate

An elimination has occurred

Day One Ends In:

(expired on 2021-01-20 07:44:00)

And with this vote count to end D1, you can maybe say {Egix, bugspray} or even {Flea, bugspray} is the Team I wouldn’t be completely floored by that. I’m not sure that the wagon on Cook is completely pure, but I do think that it’s difficult to argue for starting with Flea. Like I don’t love that as the place to start with executions post Koba who so aggressively defended Cook but then ended there. And I think Koba had Flea as Town and given how the Polaris wagon developed D1 I’m not so sure that it makes sense at all for us to focus too intently there just yet.

[Andresvmb]

Right now I want VOTE: Gerain to do much much more.

And like this is Flea’s vote with Koba under significant pressure.

[Andresvmb]

That was a question, how can I "misrep" someone without making a statement. And what are you on about anyways, mason vig?? If you wanna fight somebody go elsewhere this is a civil game.

whatever i'll just sheep the mason and hope it goes well VOTE: gamma emerald l-1

And outside of your vote nopoint, this is the key vote to put Gamma over the edge over geraintm yesterday. Flea never moved from geraintm as far as I can tell. So yeah no I won’t be voting Flea I think that’s wrong.

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If geraintm flips Town at some point yeah maybe something to think about. But with what we have, Flea doesn’t quite work for me.

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If Gerain was scum, he would have NKed me since he knows I have a tendency to tunnel based on his experiences with me and he would have expected me gun for him today since he was my second scum-read yesterday.

I don’t know how true this is. You’re the obvious NK. I also think that’s why the Scum avoided it. They haven’t gotten any Town PRs outside of one Mason so in my opinion they’re afraid to slip.

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I'd like to point out that Andre and Bugspray are the only remaining players who were onboard the Jim wagon, the alternate wagon to Cook on D1. The other 2 players on the Jim wagon (Tris and DjKobra) both flipped town. I highly doubt Cook was the only mafia member voting for Jim, and incidentally both Andre and Bugspray were also on the DjKobra wagon as well as mine. PoE says one of them must be scum.

Posts like that do give me the impression he is really trying to solve

I think people get too much credit generally for putting posts out there that appear like they’re trying to solve. Coming up with seemingly okay excuses that lead to the wrong outcome is just basic Scum play. You can make any argument for anyone purely based on how some of the votes moved. I’m getting shaded here with bugspray for my vote on Jim. But you know, the actual vote that counted? The one for Cook? And those arguments pushing there aggressively and getting Koba on board? That doesn’t count for anything?

So you need to look a little deeper than just saying oh this appears to be game solving so it’s probably Town. I don’t think so.

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And like it’s also an entirely speculative argument. I mean I know my alignment. So fundamentally what Facebones is arguing is that out of 4 players that engaged in a course of action, maybe one is Scum. 2 flipped Town actually, and I know I’m Town. So it would have to exactly be bugspray. So the argument itself is actually bad. I could say well out of everyone that voted for Cook after say the fourth vote or so that made it almost seem like a done deal and really drove it, there’s gotta be one Scum. Okay, but that’s just as much of a valid argument as this if you think about it, and it really isn’t great.

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Like look at the wagon composition on Cook. Koba and Zuko were Town, nopoint is claiming Mason unCC’ed, Jim was the Counterwagon to the Scum Roleblocker, and I know I’m Town. That leaves RLotus, and Flea. It would be wild if both Flea and RLotus are Scum. So where I want to look is most definitely outside of the Cook wagon, and on the Koba wagon. The combination of both is a decent place to start.

[Andresvmb]

Town:
No Point
Flea
RLotus

Null:
Tris
Jim
Geraintim

Scum:
DkKobra
Andre
Egix

I find it interesting that you have both andre and koba in your scum pile. could you tell me more about that?

I just don’t think Tris was that off about things, and so I think that’s why they’re dead. Like this questioning was so on point. I also think Facebones deserves tremendous pressure. I also do think they shouldn’t be taken off consideration today.

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list of ppl to lim that will win the game IMO ->

bugspray -> facebones -> geratim -> andres(if still alive)/tris

You can say whatever about Koba, but I also respect their POV. This is just not a horrendous way to go about this game either. I’m not trying to set up a chain of executions or whatever, new information will come out. But as a POE? I absolutely agree.

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I’m not starting with Flea. I think it’s just wrong. I could be off I don’t know look my instincts are what they are. I just think we need more information if that’s what we really want to do. At this stage, I wouldn’t nuke Flea before Facebones. No way.

[Andresvmb]

1330 really is hot garbage as a reads list. There’s no denying that. And that’s after Cook had flipped.

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Okay nopoint but you were also certain Koba was Scum, and you were wrong. It’s very easy to see how the Scum might have thought that you weren’t worth NK’ing just yet. And since you were by far the most expected and cleared player in the game, that you could present an issue from multiple perspectives. I won’t get into it mechanically, but I for sure would have thought twice about taking a shot at you there.

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Also like between the vote that puts Facebones at E-1, and the unvote by RLotus, that’s a whole day right? Yeah Scum could have been afraid to open themselves up by hammering there, but not even pushing hard to get a claim out of Facebones? So you think that wagon at that stage contained the entire Team? So that’s what 2 Scum amongst {bugspray, RLotus, Egix}? Do you think that’s what’s happening?

[Andresvmb]

Because I really don’t see that. So if Facebones really is Town, and geraintm is Town, where’s the Scum right now? Not voting? Not being much of a voice? I guess that’s possible?

[Andresvmb]

@Flea you need to put a vote down. Same goes for you @geraintm. You guys are getting away with sitting on the sidelines too much right now that much is true.

[Andresvmb]

What is happening in this game? Like why are there still people not voting?

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VOTE: Facebones

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I’m just going to make the point that if we don’t actually achieve majority, nobody gets executed. So we have 12 hours to actually consolidate onto someone. So @geraintm, stop this nonsense, and actually hammer Facebones. Because if you don’t, I’m going to make sure you get railroaded this game just for this.

Like voting Lotus right now is just plain silly.

[Andresvmb]

To those voting geraintm, if you rally one more voter in that direction, I will hammer the slot.

[Andresvmb]

No it isn’t the same. The any year now was a slight show of impatience but mostly because Tris was signaling they would vote a certain way but then seemed to be overthinking it. This is different. We’re almost at deadline and me pushing to consolidate shouldn’t surprise anyone.

[Andresvmb]

Besides, your insistence that I’m Scum is getting annoying now. Even if you think my reads are garbage, you should have taken the hint by now.

[Andresvmb]

What does that even mean? Going about the game?

Because I have been quite open about where I think the vote should go. So now that the vote has mostly consolidated in a place where I’m okay with, why would I not want to rally other players to get the job done with the deadline approaching? Would you rather I sit back, sheep someone, and not care if an execution is even attained at deadline? Because as a complaint, what you’re saying makes no sense.

[Andresvmb]

geraintm is being way overly picky about when my vote for Cook came in, so I’m mostly ignoring them because their read of me has been nothing short of dreadful. So given that, I don’t have a whole lot of confidence that their reads can be trusted here. But their general demeanor, of basically trying to avoid screwing up as much as possible, is not too far from what they usually do as Town. So that’s giving me some pause.

[Andresvmb]

Nevertheless, geraintm’s vote for Lotus at this stage *is* silly. It would be one thing if they had come in and said okay, I think Lotus is Scum, and they’re the best execution, but given time limitations, this is what I’ll have to do. But no, it’s a vanity vote, when people didn’t seem particularly active, almost demonstrating that they’re okay with no elimination at all. It’s infuriating.

[Andresvmb]

I don't get why FB and gerain won't vote each other

Hard to say to be honest. I’m not sure I get it either.

[Andresvmb]

It didn't need to be a cop, just someone to say someone was safe.

You saw me argue that bugspray was in most of my Scum Teams, they were in all Town wagons, and I defended Flea, and I gave Egix fruit as my dying wish, and I was NK’ed. After arguing that {RLotus, bugspray} look bad if you flip Town. And Koba had bugspray as Scum too. I think RLotus still wins actually. But the fact that bugspray wasn’t executed is preposterous to me.

The Town just didn’t really pay any attention to what their fellow dead Townies were saying. I mean Facebones voted for bugspray too in the brink of death. And you even had a correct solve. Why Egix was executed there is completely beyond me.

[Andresvmb]

Well played Scum Team. I mean the Town got so complacent, I don’t understand it.

[Andresvmb]

We also got screwed by the fact that Koba couldn’t defend themselves properly.

[Andresvmb]

Ugh I hate my play this game. Arguing with geraintm and Facebones the whole time wasn’t particularly helpful.