Newbie 2051: Iceland! - End!

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I don't like ending the round in general

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Less helpful # hurtful

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Less helpful # hurtful

Less helpful insinuates some level of helpfulness of which there was none.

So town would be better off had I done nothing?

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I'm allowed to link games that have ended, correct?

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https://www.braingle.com/games/werewolf ... 00;round=1

I go by a different alias, but you can probably figure it out

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https://www.braingle.com/games/werewolf ... 00;round=1

I go by a different alias, but you can probably figure it out

Oh, also days are way shorter so there are less posts

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If it ends up not being Enchant, where do we go from there?

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If it ends up not being Enchant, where do we go from there?

myself? i would reread some slots pushing this with me as i doubt mafia would stay passive/neutral in this situation
but im 99.9999999999999999999999% this is just enchant/fredrick

I'm not sure FaC is maf

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you're being too paranoid

This sounds scummy tbh

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https://www.braingle.com/games/werewolf ... 00;round=1
I go by a different alias, but you can probably figure it out

Also my brain hurts trying to read for your posting style to determine who you are so I can then metadive you and see if this is how you always post and this kind of unnecessary complexity is why you are difficult to engage with lol. My running theory is that it's the one with the animated profile pic. It's just an obvtell.

Yeah, I'm Rove the Stickfigure

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Yeah, I'm Rove the Stickfigure

God I feel so satisfied to be right about that. You’ve just boosted my reading confidence 2x.

Cool well can confirm Rove I mean Flow is perfectly capable of playing like this as
you were town that game? Or scum?

Well can confirm that they play mafia.

Well I fakeclaimed that game, so town

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Who's TRing you?

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Fredrick yes, but I don't see how it's preventing either when I have

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Why do you want to prevent a Fredrick wagon?

Because I TR them

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Ok, I think I'm going to place Salsa in the Leaning Scum but not open to shoot category

Could you explain your thoughts as to why you are leaning scum?

I'm 99.9999999% sure it would be worse for town to share the reason, moreso than usual

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Um FaC you do know what your doing right and not doing random things

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I figured

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It wasn't all random

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So what were you going to do? Twiddle your thumbs until sxum raise their hand and say, "Its me!"

Foreshadowing

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Am I arrogant for saying I'm experienced?

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If it ends up not being Enchant, where do we go from there?

myself? i would reread some slots pushing this with me as i doubt mafia would stay passive/neutral in this situation
but im 99.9999999999999999999999% this is just enchant/fredrick

I'm not sure FaC is maf

Why?

Has not used emoji

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VOTE: Salsabil Faria

OMGUS much?

That's an unfair assessment as a lot of people are suspecting them

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No, you're arrogant for being arrogant! You tell who you think as a town/scum without giving any reason but when others ask about the reason, you shut them down.

Proceeds to shut me down:

and again ignoring the question but want to talk about emoji!!

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I told you why I though they were town

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VOTE: Salsabil Faria

OMGUS much?

That's an unfair assessment as a lot of people are suspecting them

You don't tell me what I'll think.

how is that a sequitur response to what I said at all?

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I told you why I though they were town

Where!!!???

882

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I told you why I though they were town

Where!!!???

882

Fredrick A Campbell

"has not used emoji" and for this reason you townread him?

Do you see why I didn't want to tell you know?

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*Now

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Ok, I'm just gonna assume you're always going to say the opposite of what I think you're going to say

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So tempting

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While you make others to take/believe you by your words only

False. I really don't care what you think, how arrogant of you to assume everything is about you, and that I need to be readable for you.

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K

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I'm only a copycat

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something is preventing you from communicating and working effectively with several of the other players

Probably social anxiety

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you're being too paranoid

This sounds scummy tbh

Do you scumread Esoteric overall?

Null town

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Why would you self hammer instead of letting us have the info of someone else hammering instead

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VOTE: Salsabil Faria

Boop

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Also you still say i'm troll,

No?

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This is sad

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I do want to vote them, just not yet

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Your vote isn't necessary for you to be shot here

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Cause I like wait

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And also we need to plan for a potential albeit unlikely Town flip

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Who is Luca?

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VOTE: /unvote

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Idk

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Eh, maybe it's time to end the round

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Probably

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Surely we can get 7 more posts though

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250th post (Almost 1/4th)

Yeah, I consent to an Enchant shot

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I'll give it a half hour then I'll vote

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Can we compromise at 50 minutes?

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Ok VOTE: esotericzoomer

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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I'll stick with half an hour

Doesn't mean anyone else has to

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So I can end the round, right?

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I'm going of post 975

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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ oh well

VOTE: Enchant

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this happens way too much

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I think we are in Cop+Doc world

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Mild suspicion on Prism, Quiet, & FaC for that NK

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VOTE: Quiet

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What happened to your scumread on Salsabil?

Same deal

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I think we are in Cop+Doc world

Any specific reason for your hunch, I take it you just have a bit of specific town sus right?

Mmmm... I changed my mind while I was away

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Are you a medium?

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Also, don't mind me doing a new pair anaylsis

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I'm worried that Fredrick is Enchant 2.0, and the people who are pushing it are worrying me

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You're almost there flow trap, let down the walls of your heart and start sharing the inner thoughts.

Do I worry you?

You worry me the most, but I forgot why

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I *might* be having a heart attack so I'll be out for half a day

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If we shoot FaC and they flip town we are in a really bad position

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I suspect the mafia is comprised of Spartan11 and flow trap.

VOTE: Spartan11

I welcome some long awaited suspicion

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Everyone is arrogant in this game in the sense that in most cases anyone else being shot is better than you

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Yeah, I have a headache though, so I'll probably have less substance than usual

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FaC, you're doing a great job at blending in

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I'm good at running interference and setting town up to implode.

I remembered; this is what is worrying me about Prism's FaC push

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VOTE: Prism

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I could see salsa being one of those who like to purposefully put wolf tells to make them not wolf tells

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I only voted you because nothing was happening

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I was referring to the second part of the statement

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I feel like you're setting something up

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Salsa, I suspect quite, what do you think of that?

VOTE: Quiet

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Key:
Yellow - Neutral due to little interaction
Gray - Neutral due to equal evidence both ways
Green - More likely
Orange - Less Likely

Salsa + Spartan: Salsa's TR on Spartan felt like they were not partners here; if Spartan is mafia I don't see Salsa being one as if they were scum their actions felt mildly pockety

Prism + Quiet: While I do think this combo would NK Zoomer, Prism has been at Safe's throat the entire time, and then when Quiet showed up Prism started being helpful to them, so I saw some town emotions in play

Salsa + FaC: Overall neutral but FaC had some questionable actions towards Salsa, but I found Salsa's actions towards FaC felt non-teammate; May NK zoomer

Floo + FaC: Spartan called FaC's vote on Floo odd and I don't think that would be an SvS situation, even if Spartan is mafia making it up, they still can't be partners

Quiet + FaC: I think this team would NK Zoomer otherwise haven't read into this that much tbh

Prism + FaC: If Prism is indeed setting up town to fail in the way I'm thinking, then FaC couldn't be their partner; I lean town on both of them anyways

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You're doing a great job at ignoring me

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I require posts to make posts

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Prism the Diplomat

Hold up, explain

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I've always seen being diplomatic as a scum tell

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I've always seen being diplomatic as a scum tell

I have very, very bad news for you about me as a player lmao

In general I don't think this tell is the worst-particularly if the person is overdoing it or not taking any real stances-but becoming more diplomatic and communicate effectively with others is literally

my entire purpose for playing the game of mafia.

I don't enjoy the puzzle or solving aspect at all.

Guess it's just culture shock, I hope

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Is using meta here taboo or something?

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Also I'm in the middle of writing some reads / elaborating on why I scumread Salsabil. It looks like an essay, and I won't be able to finish it until tomorrow.

When my flip will be happened, I want to imagine your face that time, I bet it'll be the most hilarious thing if you're a town but if you're one of the scums, then you're playing really good.

This is something I said as town back when I had no clue what I was doing

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I usually behave exactly as the other person behaves with me

There is a difference between "I don't want to reveal my hand yet" and "screw you"

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How do I behave with flow trap is not your business in the first place!

... yes it is

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I'm most likely going to vote between Quiet/Spartan/Salsa Replacement

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VOTE: Spartan117

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I'm bored

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what do you think of floos recent emergence with lots more posts and effort than d1?

NAI imo

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I think his reaction to my fake suspicion was plausible

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I think his reaction to my fake suspicion was plausible

You have also conveniently cut out the next part in this same post where you say "you do have a case"

Ahahahaha, but you see it was irrelevant to the question at hand!

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'Tis, not a laugh of laughter but a laugh of discovery!

As do be it, their behavior has not changed a lick, so in conclusion while consistent; I do say it appears they are trying to cloak their partner in mysterious mystery!

As a psychologist, it could indeed be however unlikely that they are in a Pavlov response to being praised for a response.

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Well just because I think FaC is town doesn't mean my alter does

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¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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If you want to make 17 more reads, be my guest

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I think the round is dragging out so who are we shooting?

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You're judging a fish on its ability to fly

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Idk where you got the idea that I was trying to galaxy brain it

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I'm not random voting and just because I don't state my reads doesn't mean I don't have them

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-_-

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You are ignoring when I actually make reads

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*state reads

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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I want to enjoy the game

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No one has ever listened to me before in my life so idk how to argue for any point

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Prism, I apologize for acting like a jerk sometimes; I have decided to trust you can will answer (almost) anything you ask to the best of my ability

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well this is a thing

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I'm not random voting and just because I don't state my reads doesn't mean I don't have them

Unhelpful

You are ignoring when I actually make reads

Contradicting and unhelpful...

You. Just. Proved. My. Point

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Ah, realization

Ok I TR Salsa but very easily changeable

why did you start townreading salsa at this point?

I also agree that Enchant is acting scummy

how did enchant go from your townread to scumread? he was acting the same

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I believe I have said the Enchant TR was a bluff as was the Salsa TR

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Prism, I apologize for acting like a jerk sometimes; I have decided to trust you can will answer (almost) anything you ask to the best of my ability

It's okay, and I appreciate this.

Personally, I want to know why you don't really want to vote floo today.

That said, my whole point here is that it's a team game. I'm not the only channel/avenue to dialogue through; I don't think talking to scum is the worst thing in the world and there are other town with thoughts as valid as mine. I'm down to talk about any slot you want, and I imagine quiet is as well.

I have a bad habit of just TRing the first person to make a move and then basically ignoring them for the rest of the game...

This is why I decided to ISO them to see if I still want to TR them

They start off with a town vote, but then they play "I don't want to seem suspicious" post which I believe is #77. However; I do find their explanation (351) to be completely valid as I have stated before town shouldn't go out of their way to seem suspicious which is fair as they were indeed going for that POV. Some solid posts between 77 and 351. Their next post (355) worries me; I believe it was brought up how Salsa was suspicious due to taking a joke seriously, I'm getting the same sort of vibe here. In post 348 they reinforce the "town shouldn't go out of their way to be suspicious" idea which I find town as well as this:

"Hello I'm Mafia I want to blend in!" - floo
"OK Mafia" - Sal

Sarcastic annoyance=town IMO

States a suspicion on Zoomer in 439 which I will come back to later. Then they have a streak of neutral posts. I found 1005 off, I don't like how they push here , probably it's because they are adding fuel to the FaC+Enchant idea. Back to Zoomer, I found the eating to be a double-edged sword on the town side mafia doesn't usually want to kill their fake scum reads, but on the other hand, they acknowledged that Zoomer was widely TRed so they were aware of it.

Day 2

I found their push overall towny, it does have a few lows, however. Reading it back it is sounding mildly tunnely since they are talking about salsa 90% of their early posts, not that I find that suspicious. The emotional push could go either way as Town determination or Mafia emotional shutdown. I had to skim the latter half of their posts and nothing stood out.

Overall I still find floo town

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See https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12523050

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Betrayal.

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I like this, makes me feel better about flow trap.

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It's not important

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I still stand by my previous POE

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you know you're town, so you're going to treat suspicion agaisnt you flippantly/dismissively. there's a sense of entitlement in playing town in which you can't see why people would think you're scummy

I strongly disagree, dismissing suspicions on you is super scummy

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5 hours to deadline. We need to consolidate ASAP.

VOTE: Floo should have the votes now w/ quiet and fairy

flow trap, do you think Spartan is scum?

Yes

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Can you argue for this a bit more forcefully or are you waiting until Elo to toss us a bone?

I'm on mobile ATM moment, so I'll wait till I find a computer

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But truth is, it would be pretty damn ballsy for scum to sit here and TR their counterwagon at this stage.

I accidentally deleted the post I was writing

Blah blah have another Counter-wagon Spartan VOTE: Quiet

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lmao if this game is just fucking flow trap and Frederick

flow trap I know you lost a post but it's going to take a lot more than that to get me to vote quiet

Well that's good because I don't want you to

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Also it's weird how long that took to come up

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No it's not you would be stepping on my foot if you voted quiet

I SR spartan & Quiet so I switched

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You need to explain your reads and how you're playing.

Why?

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I'm not even voting Quiet because I suspect them

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I'm taking a defensive route

I meant you shouldn't have a problem with it because I SRed them

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The fact that I would call out my own scumteam way before the idea of it is preposterous

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Spartan is more likely to go through than quiet. How is this defensive, exactly? Do you not want to be on the elim vote?

Idc if I'm on the Elim vote I vote who I vote

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My point is you need to fight for your votes. It doesn't matter if you're right if you lose the game.

You want me to defend Quiet?

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You need to explain your reads and how you're playing.

Why?

Can we all just vote flow trap out, i have seriously had enough of this, its so counter productive especially at this stage, why is he being town read again, how can he be so maverick he is being town locked...

Oh, so you can ask why but I can't

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I dont know if i just misread what was going on, were you refusing to share your reads and saying why should you explain to the group your thoughts on why you are voting people at this late crutial state near the deadline of D2 so we can better understand where you are coming from so as to make better more informed decisions? or did i misunderstand?

I

have

stated all my reads

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I dont know if i just misread what was going on, were you refusing to share your reads and saying why should you explain to the group your thoughts on why you are voting people at this late crutial state near the deadline of D2 so we can better understand where you are coming from so as to make better more informed decisions? or did i misunderstand?

I

have

stated all my reads

then restate them or at least tell me what posts they are in, rather than me trying to do a cryptic treasure hunt, its 2am ive not got time for that im still trying to go through everyone elses posts, like i said d1 you are so anti town its not even funny, I know i am town and some of the rest of us here are town, whether you are just some spicy town who is inadvertently helping scum or if you are scum its just sooo anti town to do what you do. during a normal point in any irl day its frustrating enough but on deadline day for d2 we neeed more, if you are so convinced myself and quiet are the scum team, tell us why you are so sure everyone else is town help us read them, work with us, please.

Gladly one moment

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Here is a list of me not giving reads and some explanations

Spoiler:

I'm leaning town on safe, floo and Spartan

It seemed like a town play to me, what scum wants this kind of negative attention this early on

That would be my other SR; however less so and I feel they created a better dynamic which could help next round

I'm leaning town on safe, floo and Spartan

Can you share the reasons?

Floo seems typical chaotic town and Spartan seems genuine here

VOTE: Salsabil Faria
For being passive and fluffy

(Insert pair Analysises)

The fact they're continuing to sound the alarm into the present page suggests it is legitimate.

I agree, also the lack of resistance worried me

I could see salsa being one of those who like to purposefully put wolf tells to make them not wolf tells

I don't like this playing the victim tone you have

I'm only talking from a game standpoint, you being dismissive only makes me suspect you more

i would like to ask for towncred

That's fair, it's pretty solid other than a couple of things I'll mention when I feel like it (mostly on salsa), and the fact that I, in my opinion, don't find mind melding to be towny

Personally, I find Enchanted's interactions er... benign

Ok here is the thing I don't agree with

In post 44, Salsabil Faria wrote:
In post 38, Enchant wrote:
Yeeaaah.

So i'm not good at game, where main source of info is people yelling on each other.

Dude, you won Newbie 2046 by fooling the town perfectly! If you are not good, don't know who can be!!

Being supportive is always townie.

Being nice is generally a wolf tell from my experience; however, this was early in the game, so I would probably give this a neutral

I think his reaction to my fake suspicion was plausible, but you do have a case

I mean they do have 7 days

Is there a reason you're trying to alleviate the pressure I'm applying?

If you think it's a bad push, explain why. Saying this just gets in the way for 0 reason.

I have a dry sense of humor

Correction. I was merely suggesting the possibility that they were planning something for the future.

I also agree that Enchant is acting scummy

Ok, my TRs at this time are Prism & Floo

Ah, realization

Ok I TR Salsa but very easily changeable

Or maybe salsa is just the god of formatting and I’m letting my naked jealousy of their posting technique color my opinion.

Well either way, high effort high quality easy to understand posts gets a +town from me.

Hoping no one is trying to pocket me here

Actually, that's why I asked about Spartan

Okay, when you want to know things from me, please be very thorough with your words, as I already said, English is not my native language. Now, if you mean that if I'm trying to pocket

Spartan117

or not, the answer is no. I stated on page 10 (post 226) which was an early period of the game that I'm getting a town vibe from him, which is not changed yet.

I meant the other way around

Nah... I don't think he tried to pocket me. Can you mention the post number where do you think the attempt to pocket me happened?

I mean you can't be aware of a successful pocket attempt, nor do I think a pocket attempt would be done in one post

Well, I have to re-read his iso again then. But, why do you think he can be a scum?

I've fallen for the scum tactic in #549 so many times, so I'm very wary of that

Ok, I think I'm going to place Salsa in the Leaning Scum but not open to shoot category

In defense of Floo, town shouldn't go out of their way to be suspicious

If it ends up not being Enchant, where do we go from there?

myself? i would reread some slots pushing this with me as i doubt mafia would stay passive/neutral in this situation
but im 99.9999999999999999999999% this is just enchant/fredrick

I'm not sure FaC is maf

you're being too paranoid

This sounds scummy tbh

Fredrick yes, but I don't see how it's preventing either when I have

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Why do you want to prevent a Fredrick wagon?

Because I TR them

If it ends up not being Enchant, where do we go from there?

myself? i would reread some slots pushing this with me as i doubt mafia would stay passive/neutral in this situation
but im 99.9999999999999999999999% this is just enchant/fredrick

I'm not sure FaC is maf

Why?

Has not used emoji

you're being too paranoid

This sounds scummy tbh

Do you scumread Esoteric overall?

Null town

250th post (Almost 1/4th)

Yeah, I consent to an Enchant shot

Mild suspicion on Prism, Quiet, & FaC for that NK

What happened to your scumread on Salsabil?

Same deal

I'm worried that Fredrick is Enchant 2.0, and the people who are pushing it are worrying me

You're almost there flow trap, let down the walls of your heart and start sharing the inner thoughts.

Do I worry you?

You worry me the most, but I forgot why

I'm good at running interference and setting town up to implode.

I remembered; this is what is worrying me about Prism's FaC push

Salsa, I suspect quite, what do you think of that?

VOTE: Quiet

Salsa + Spartan: Salsa's TR on Spartan felt like they were not partners here; if Spartan is mafia I don't see Salsa being one as if they were scum their actions felt mildly pockety

Prism + Quiet: While I do think this combo would NK Zoomer, Prism has been at Safe's throat the entire time, and then when Quiet showed up Prism started being helpful to them, so I saw some town emotions in play

Salsa + FaC: Overall neutral but FaC had some questionable actions towards Salsa, but I found Salsa's actions towards FaC felt non-teammate; May NK zoomer

Floo + FaC: Spartan called FaC's vote on Floo odd and I don't think that would be an SvS situation, even if Spartan is mafia making it up, they still can't be partners

Quiet + FaC: I think this team would NK Zoomer otherwise haven't read into this that much tbh

Prism + FaC: If Prism is indeed setting up town to fail in the way I'm thinking, then FaC couldn't be their partner; I lean town on both of them anyways

I've always seen being diplomatic as a scum tell

I have very, very bad news for you about me as a player lmao

In general I don't think this tell is the worst-particularly if the person is overdoing it or not taking any real stances-but becoming more diplomatic and communicate effectively with others is literally

my entire purpose for playing the game of mafia.

I don't enjoy the puzzle or solving aspect at all.

Guess it's just culture shock, I hope

Also I'm in the middle of writing some reads / elaborating on why I scumread Salsabil. It looks like an essay, and I won't be able to finish it until tomorrow.

When my flip will be happened, I want to imagine your face that time, I bet it'll be the most hilarious thing if you're a town but if you're one of the scums, then you're playing really good.

This is something I said as town back when I had no clue what I was doing

I'm most likely going to vote between Quiet/Spartan/Salsa Replacement

what do you think of floos recent emergence with lots more posts and effort than d1?

NAI imo

'Tis, not a laugh of laughter but a laugh of discovery!

As do be it, their behavior has not changed a lick, so in conclusion while consistent; I do say it appears they are trying to cloak their partner in mysterious mystery!

As a psychologist, it could indeed be however unlikely that they are in a Pavlov response to being praised for a response.

Prism, I apologize for acting like a jerk sometimes; I have decided to trust you can will answer (almost) anything you ask to the best of my ability

It's okay, and I appreciate this.

Personally, I want to know why you don't really want to vote floo today.

That said, my whole point here is that it's a team game. I'm not the only channel/avenue to dialogue through; I don't think talking to scum is the worst thing in the world and there are other town with thoughts as valid as mine. I'm down to talk about any slot you want, and I imagine quiet is as well.

I have a bad habit of just TRing the first person to make a move and then basically ignoring them for the rest of the game...

This is why I decided to ISO them to see if I still want to TR them

They start off with a town vote, but then they play "I don't want to seem suspicious" post which I believe is #77. However; I do find their explanation (351) to be completely valid as I have stated before town shouldn't go out of their way to seem suspicious which is fair as they were indeed going for that POV. Some solid posts between 77 and 351. Their next post (355) worries me; I believe it was brought up how Salsa was suspicious due to taking a joke seriously, I'm getting the same sort of vibe here. In post 348 they reinforce the "town shouldn't go out of their way to be suspicious" idea which I find town as well as this:

"Hello I'm Mafia I want to blend in!" - floo
"OK Mafia" - Sal

Sarcastic annoyance=town IMO

States a suspicion on Zoomer in 439 which I will come back to later. Then they have a streak of neutral posts. I found 1005 off, I don't like how they push here , probably it's because they are adding fuel to the FaC+Enchant idea. Back to Zoomer, I found the eating to be a double-edged sword on the town side mafia doesn't usually want to kill their fake scum reads, but on the other hand, they acknowledged that Zoomer was widely TRed so they were aware of it.

Day 2

I found their push overall towny, it does have a few lows, however. Reading it back it is sounding mildly tunnely since they are talking about salsa 90% of their early posts, not that I find that suspicious. The emotional push could go either way as Town determination or Mafia emotional shutdown. I had to skim the latter half of their posts and nothing stood out.

Overall I still find floo town

I still stand by my previous POE

you know you're town, so you're going to treat suspicion agaisnt you flippantly/dismissively. there's a sense of entitlement in playing town in which you can't see why people would think you're scummy

I strongly disagree, dismissing suspicions on you is super scummy

Blah blah stuff about Spartan & Quiet

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i dont care that you are scum reading me i just want you to express why that is the case so I can better understand you

See 674 & 1434

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I believe I have said the Enchant TR was a bluff as was the Salsa TR

but according to this post many of your supposed TR's are bluffs, so are those real reads or not?

2#All and you may assume them to be true and I will 100% confirm my Prism & Floo TRs are real

[flow trap]

I have 15 minutes before I lock in my vote

[flow trap]

Blah blah stuff about Spartan & Quiet

This doesn't explain why you are scumreading myself and quiet?

See next post about you and some post in the long one

[flow trap]

i dont care that you are scum reading me i just want you to express why that is the case so I can better understand you

See 674 & 1434

So you are scum reading me in reference to the following two posts..?

Yet you don't show any examples of where you think i have tried to pocket someone or dismissed suspicion on me?

Nah... I don't think he tried to pocket me. Can you mention the post number where do you think the attempt to pocket me happened?

I mean you can't be aware of a successful pocket attempt, nor do I think a pocket attempt would be done in one post

you know you're town, so you're going to treat suspicion agaisnt you flippantly/dismissively. there's a sense of entitlement in playing town in which you can't see why people would think you're scummy

I strongly disagree, dismissing suspicions on you is super scummy

Idk where I got 674 but I don't have time to correct myself

[flow trap]

In the event floo is scum, I think anyone is on the table but flow trap is probably the most likely.

That's counter-intuitive since the only person I've gone into detain with is Floo

[flow trap]

I meant that I couldn't be on anymore guys

[flow trap]

I'm sticking with Quiet

[flow trap]

That is (probably) either the worst frame-job on me ever or an attempt to get human Prism to vote human Floo

[flow trap]

Mmy internet is being trash on my computer, so I won't be able to respond until like it finishes loading after 3 mintes

[flow trap]

Do you have any thoughts on the end of day yesterday/did your reads evolve at all overnight?

I actually typed up 7+ pages of content during the night, which I am going to touch up since I was tired and therefore said things like: "had a right to be annoyed was, but they could be annoyed as that as mafia too"

[flow trap]

I would like to say an unCCed doctor claim doesn't mean they're town

[flow trap]

I think killing me is suicide for floo/flow trap. I'm going to skip my thoughts on doctor-NK interactions until we decide whether or not to hold off.

I thought you were going to be NKed for being TRed I even said it somewhere on my document

[flow trap]

Prism, in what world do I get shot? Spartian, flow think I'm scum

Neutral now

[flow trap]

Sort of forces a shot

We always shoot here

[flow trap]

Oh, so there is no vote lock?

[flow trap]

I have a bit of uneasyness, but still TRing

[flow trap]

Should I release the essay in parts or all at once?

[flow trap]

If I release it allllll at once, it's going to take a long time

[flow trap]

If I release it allllll at once, it's going to take a long time

Let me put it this way: You don't want me wondering if you're being truthful of your claim to have wrote it overnight.

I'm still writing it though

[flow trap]

if this dude literally has nothing and is frantically mashing keys like a last second english essay you type up at the lunch table i'm going to fucking die lmao

No comment

[flow trap]

b r u h it is almost two hours later

I'm taking a break geez

[flow trap]

Let me play piano

[flow trap]

Okay, I'm like 69% done

[flow trap]

*60

[flow trap]

To Spartan/Quiet who would you go for in the case of Prism/Floo

[flow trap]

Given its been 6 hours since he first told us about this legendary scripture its not looking good... why write it over the night time if your not gonna even post it when it comes to day

Because I am lazy and only wrote half of what I wanted

[flow trap]

Mmm...I'll share part 1 while I work on the rest

[flow trap]

Pages 1-10:
Starting with posts 7-9; Prism called me out on this later.

flow trap, what was your thought process with this sequence?

Hi

Hey everyone...

VOTE: clarkbar

You just made me think about breaking my diet with candy.

VOTE: floo

Shortest username

I just wanted to bring up that I do genuinely feel awestruck when I come on to a new site and I wasn’t confident that the meta was what it said it was. A lot of things that can be interpreted as jokes fill the rest of this section until Floo puts the first non-joke vote on me. I give some fake newbie reactions. Quietbet questions the vote, which is strange since they later vote for me. Enchant makes the first plurality and Spartan joins 12 minutes later, which is… okay I guess, I do believe Spartan wouldn’t mind doing this as scum as they seem bold, but not inherently scummy. Floo then reveals their motives for voting me and for calling it partly serious.

So how can you have a serious vote of 3 people haven't even checked in?
...
OMGUS?

"..." not part of original post.

With the game becoming more serious, I can explain my motives. I switched my RVS vote from Enchant to flow trap because I wanted to see where a conversation would go. flow trap's posting style is lighthearted with a lot of small talk and interactions with other player, as one of the most active users so far (might be the most active in terms of post count). I stated my vote was "partially serious" (40) to avoid seeming suspicious from an apparent OMGUS (as you guessed) and a second (apparently) random vote. I am explaining my intentions now because I would rather have flow trap discuss his/her gameplay or opinions than post joke reactions.

I do think their explanation was perfectly sound and therefore their motivation was in good interest. Some posts with nothing then Quietbet puts me on E-1, which I still found towny but it’s not enough to change my current opinion on Quietbet. I was forced to reveal my identity and Zoomer stated suspicion on Quietbet, which I believe continues throughout the round, so that could be a reason for the NK. I state a TR on Quietbet, Floo, & Spartan, I’ve explained why here:

It seemed like a town play to me, what scum wants this kind of negative attention this early on

I'm leaning town on safe, floo and Spartan

Can you share the reasons?

Floo seems typical chaotic town and Spartan seems genuine here

… and Quietbet says that it was for reactions. In hindsight, this is slightly odd as there were already reactions just from the E-2. Zoomer continues their suspicion on Quietbet. I bluff SRing FaC because they weren’t doing much and I wanted to see how they responded (I also thought it would be more powerful, but there was little reaction). I also stated a mild suspicion on Zoomer which was true. Salsafairy puts a mild accusation on Quietbet:

yeah i am 100% suspicious of safebet after that

Why? Like what motivation do I have to do that as scum?

If anyone/your scum partner hammered at that point, it would definitely benefit the team mafia cause

(i)

if you are the mafia then you know

flow trap

is a town, so a miselimination would occur and,

(ii)

the day would over without discussing anything, the town would stay behind.
Can't find any town motivation from your E-1 vote.

… but later rescinds it after reading their response to Zoomer.

yeah i am 100% suspicious of safebet after that

Why? Like what motivation do I have to do that as scum?

Where's your motivation to do that as town? There's no positives from dancing around flow traps wagon like this.

Reactions... Gotta have reactions to start getting somewhere.

Okay, fair enough...

This came off to me as not SvS, but that’s all I can say.
(I forgot to include my bluff suspicion on FaC (I found their reaction to be towny and non-panicky despite being an early sus) along with Salsafairy’s inquiry about it (which I find NAI), so I’ll mention it here)
We start page 5 with typical Salsafairy and normal conversation. Quick positive mention to floo of reinforcing their ideas. Then I post this:

I have 2 reasons why I don't want to go on that, the first is interesting interactions as I've stated before, and the second I will not state as I do not feel it should be shared yet and it's still developing

The second reason was that I had a mild thought that Zoomer and Salsa were masons. Obviously, that didn’t stay as I voted Salsa in 218, so that’s not a reason for me to NK them. (Update from future Flow, I actually thought they were masons at a different time later, the second reason which I just remembered was the lack of resistance) Pages 7 & 8 are mostly me + dead players or discussing the dead, but I do like Quietbet’s sarcasm. Salsafairy gives some “reactions” but they don’t really add anything to the game, so sus that. Then I vote that, which was genuine, then Salsafairy decides to contribute, which is also suspicious. However, I have to give them some credit for their 226 read list. Then they go back to their suspicious non-Sequitur self and that’s the end of page 10.

[flow trap]

Ah, I forgot to spoiler it, oh well

[flow trap]

Note that "pages" is not referring to my document but rather the game pages

[flow trap]

mmmmmm

[flow trap]

I'm taking a break to answer anything from, say, page 61-current

[flow trap]

That was worded badly any questions you have about pages 61-current

[flow trap]

or not

[flow trap]

Part 2

Spoiler:

Pages 11-20
The first notable thing on page 11 is Spartan saying that they don’t think Flow+Salsafairy is TvT, I know this gets called out by someone later but I forget who and when, so I’ll talk about it when I get to it. Salsafairy has

that

post…

I feel like there is 1 scum between Flow trap Vs Sal.
I don't see it as Scum Vs Scum, and it just doesn't feel like Town Vs Town to me.

I'm town for sure.

Which is very unusual and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Then I make a mistake; I said I was putting pressure on Enchant which they immediately call me out on, so I ended up covering my mistake with:

VOTE: Enchant

Just putting some heat here

Thanks, it's cold here.


Really, if you annonce "THIS VOTE IS FOR PRESSURE" then i know this vote is for pressure and theorically give you nothing, so maybe you give something?

I didn't say it was for pressure

At least not for you

… and since it was a bluff I couldn’t really answer any questions about it (i.e. that Spartan asked me) so sorry for being evasive here. The pair analysis was genuine (and the first one was trash), but I am just learning how to do it, I’ve only done it in 2 or 3 of my 33-36 previous games. I spend quite a while covering my bluff, which unfortunately eats up a page or 2. In the middle of that Prism calls me out again on something small, which I think is towny, (not that I expect them to survive tonight); I explain it later. Prism TR’s Zoomer, I will say more on that later if I feel this is important (Update from future Flow, line of thought has been proven false by round 3 postings). This is where Spartan gets called out by Prism about the Flow+Salsafairy thing:

I feel like there is 1 scum between Flow trap Vs Sal.
I don't see it as Scum Vs Scum, and it just doesn't feel like Town Vs Town to me.

Other than that my main scum reads are EZ who I feel is being disingenuous in relation to that early waggon and has felt fake in some of their posts, and Fredrick who has been lurking and still yet to provide any meaningful content, could be typical scum trying to stay under the radar while still seeming active.

Can you be more specific as to what makes this feel like not town v. town to you? I don't like flow individually but that conversation as a whole seems plausibly TvT to me. It also looks like you don't have a specific one in mind, as neither are your top scumreads.

Then Spartan basically says they TR salsa & SR me, so it may be an attempt to shoot salsa when I flip town. All the while Salsafairy has hijinks with mostly me, but also a few others. Spartan calls me out for not answering SP’s question, but honestly, it’s niche. Floo reinforces da thing and Quietbet & Zoomer go bath & fork. I go backstage here and accidentally take everyone on a tour there. Salsafairy makes a good point about self-image then states a totally genuine non-suspicious reaction here:

VOTE: Salsabil Faria

I'm finding Enchant town now

At this point, I’m mildly TSTBSing Salsafairy, and then some FTvSF action which I don’t think I can read without bias. I call out Salsafiary’s scummy PTV tone, which was genuine, with no strings attached. Then they proceed to make a well-crafted argument to counter it..
Just kidding

I don't like this playing the victim tone you have

Prism slaps me in the face, which I now appreciate; however I wasn’t being entirely dismissive, nor was I saying things like:

I still stand by the fact that town is more defensive, or a least I am as town. Floo -> Annoyed Sarcasm -> Towny, same as previously mentioned (also reinforcing opinion). (Can’t include what I was going to say here). Quietbet basically TRs everyone that has been contributing the most, meh on that. Prism is generally helping on page 20 along with Floo “tinfoiling” (I put that in quotes because it’s a stretch). I make a semi-joke (Part-Wolf here. It was not a joke post. I was suggesting the possibility of a future plan.) post about FaC having 7 days which Prism attacks. Fine. Prism also questions FaC & Quietbet (still helpful) and that sums up my feeling on 11-20.

[flow trap]

@Flow trap, I have a little less to say to you at the moment. First off, I don't think you need to continue going post by post through the thread, especially over day1, and explain your reads at every point. It's NAI to me. I recognize that you were not being chaotic for the sake of being chaotic, and I am taking on face value what you are saying about what your state of mind was at every given point in the game. I'm less interested in your progression there than I am on your positioning and the positioning of others in the thread on day2 and day3, as that feels like there's a lot more value and weight.

Day 1 is the foundation, so I basically have to start there or else I won't be able to provide as solid reasoning when I hit the conclusion

[flow trap]

I'd also like you to comment on if you think Prism is town or not,

Very towny but in the wise words of Skybep: "Always be suspicious of players who are "cleared" but not eaten"

[flow trap]

Er... I guess NKed on here

[flow trap]

Oh, there is also something in part 3 about Prism

[flow trap]

Speaking of Part 3...

Spoiler:

Pages 21-25:
This is where my internet decided to self-trashcan and wouldn’t load the site, so I had to take a break. Anyways, Prism & I strawman each other, I think. Annoying, but inconclusive. Salsafairy tries to defend themselves on taking a joke seriously, but I’m not really understanding…

Salsabil Faria:

I Vanilla mafia (like this one) is not type i like.

I never heard that scum claim their role

This could come off as a joke but they follow it up with:

Vanilla Mafia i calling is boring setups like "Just townies and maybe doctor/cop/SK".

Oh, understood. It's a newbie game, so setups are limited. Do you play on big setups?

Meaning they treated it very seriously, considering they went from getting the same joke to treating a misunderstanding like this, this badly, is a bizarre jump.

-2

You gave me

-2

on that which was literally not what you thought/was seemed to you!
In post 33, I thought

Enchant

was still joking (refer: post 11), but in post 34 they explained that they meant newbie game which they find boring and in post 35 I said that I understood them and questioned them if they play big games.... which was totally a normal conversation, nothing game related cause this conversation happened on page 2 when there was nothing important to discuss.

Salsafairy does make a couple of annoyed-sarcastic remarks, but of lesser value. Spartan says a few things on 532/533 that I don’t agree with but I don’t blame them. I don’t know where my head was on 538, so I guess Salsafairy had a right to be annoyed, but they could be annoyed at that as mafia too. Unfortunately, it kind of ruins that line of discussion. Then the discussion about the confusing post by Zoomer happens, I think I can explain:
“I make a joke, you read it as me wanting to be townread instead of me pushing my reads” can mean both:
“I was making a joke and pushing my reads and you read it as me wanting to be townread”
and
“You said that instead of pushing my reads, I was wanting to be townread; however, I was making a joke.”
Zoomer meant the second one and Spartan was reading it as the first one.
Then spartan says

So you agree what you said in #536 was incorrect as you literally just stated that it is you pushing your townreads...

No, he said you did

fyi I'm not paying attention to you as whatever alignment you are, you are anti town...

Which is where I start to SR them. I do not like dismissiveness and their claim that I was doing nothing was false, I was just denying one line of thought and it spiraled out of control. Salsafairy proceeds to actually do nothing and the discussion on Zoomer’s post ends, and I vote Spartan. Then there is a lot of Enchant/Flow/Zoomer convo. Then Floo says a few things I don’t agree with. I don’t think joking sometimes is scummy & Salsafairy was also doing screw you tactics, but they didn’t SR Salsafairy, if Prism is right, it would probably Floo+Salsafairy imo-atm. I say I TR Prism & Floo and Spartans asks if I could explain and then I say yes, and then... don’t do it . The rest of page 25 is suspicious Salsafairy posts & dead people. Well, there is me trying to capitalize on my suspicion of Spartan I and felt pockety vibes on Salsa (and defending the currently at that time defenseless) as they weren’t as snappy with them. Prism & FaC action, which is mostly like except for 634 & 635 which they were completely fine with then. Then the 647-649 debacle happens, which is really NAI and I question Salsafairy bringing it up. Then Quiet comes in with a nice entrance, I’m not sure if it’s Mafia niceness or just their general character, but they seem to be posting a lot so I’m actually going to rescind my SR for NR atm. Most of page 27 is NAI except for Salsa contributing quite a bit before going back to their normals selves, I null/town read this action. Exciting, now we get to this post:

Ah, realization

Ok I TR Salsa but very easily changeable

Which was… a mistake ! I actually began to PRR Salsafairy (and Zoomer by proxy), so I claim I TR them. I then vote Enchant starting the End of the Round. Salsafairy calls out the 647-649 debacle, meh. I self-bus and bring up the idea of Flow+FaC, which everyone ignores. Later it gets brought up on its own and since I know I’m town, I’m suspecting one of the ones who thought that is scum. The whole Enchant thing was a complete mess, I think Quiet had a good reaction to it as well as being their usual self. I just thought I would give a quick mention to 720-725 no comments on it. I then vote Prism to make a 3-way tie, my reason was indeed pettiness, but I also like voting my claimed TRs to get a reaction out of others. I like floo asking if I want to prevent a FaC wagon and then I don’t like them not following up on it with anything. Page 30 is mostly walls. I'm suddenly feeling uneasy about Prism for being sometimes nice and sometimes cold.

[flow trap]

Great now

I

don't see it anymore I can't even do a wall right

[flow trap]

I need to stop making up 1-use terms

[flow trap]

I feel like even if there was a doc Prism would still be a good NK

EAU: *Too

[flow trap]

If the Team is indeed Floo+Spartan, what reason would they not NK Prism and NK Fairy, after all You (Quiet) and I both TR Prism

This is what is worrying me the most, especially if it does go to Prism v Floo; Quiet+Prism doesn't make that much sense either

[flow trap]

that is a good question. In a Prism, quiet, flow trap town world, floo + spartian kill fairy cause doctor, they think prism is sus for not dying, they think killing prism would get floo voted, and thats about the only other reasons I can think of. I'd have to review fairy's play to see if they were suspicious within those two slots. Fairy was explicitly not suspicious of floo.

But floo would be maf in that scenario, so why would they want to get themselves voted?

[flow trap]

This is actually an interesting F5, we have 2 pairs of people TRing each other, so (from my POV) it's either a double pocket or the mafia has some guts to TR each other

I don't like it, I find all pairs weird

[flow trap]

@flow trap, do you like volcanos? Am I being dumb to consider those two as partners?

Yes & No

If it comes down to Prism v Floo, I'm

highly

requesting Quiet/Spartan to

not

place votes until I do; it will basically have the same outcome but protect against a Spartan+Prism/Floo+Quiet team

[flow trap]

Part 4 and the last part on Day 1

Spoiler:

Pages 31-End of Day 1:
I rescind my Salsafairy TR claim for a “Leaning Scum but not open to shoot category.” I still PRR them which is why I did this, and also couldn’t explain it. I didn’t want them to be nightkilled, but I also didn’t want to shoot them. Quiet makes their chain of contribution after joining their first is actually kind of distancy as 3 out of the 4 people they talk about are neutral, weak, or confusing. Salsafairy has some poor interactions with Enchant, maybe they (enchant) were too confusing to them (SF). I found the Enchant condemn discussion kind of pointless (especially in hindsight now that they flipped town), which is why I decided to focus elsewhere. Salsaprincess has no read on enchant which is scummy, so if anything there’s that. Quiet says they also TR Zoomer, which I will bring up later, if I feel this pans out. Spartan still says I’m not helpful which was hurtful (pun intended), not to mention I don’t like the “I can’t get any hold on them so they’re sus” card, but I guess it’s NAI. Quiet (probably accidentally) strawmans me on 824, NP there though.

Flow, hop on board the enchant train. Come on. You know you want to.

I found this post towny as I have previously seen town say that. I don’t see anything of importance for a while, excluding a convo I don’t want to talk about. Salsafairy ignores me a lot before even saying they were going to ignore me, which sucks but it is what it is. At this point I’m just done with them for a while. Luckily Quiet diffuses the situation; still not sure if it’s mafia niceness or normal character. Quiet & Prism tag team and TR each other, would they do this as SvS, probably not, not out of the question. Prism calls out Quiet a bit later which decreases the chances imo. I agree with Quiet’s response. I don’t remember why I voted Salsa on 954, probably a last ditch effort for a reaction at that point. Still don’t think anything to do with the end of the round Enchant discussion is readable (for me anyways). It’s very easy for anyone to do anything there. Which is basically what Floo said on their third to last post on day 1.

[flow trap]

If it comes down to Prism v Floo, I'm highly requesting Quiet/Spartan to not place votes until I do; it will basically have the same outcome but protect against a Spartan+Prism/Floo+Quiet team

Wait can I vote on floo though? Cause as things stand, that's my highest frequency vote.

No, because if it's Prism and Spartan it's a guaranteed loss

[flow trap]

I will not flail when I have nothing more to say that will convince you

That is a good point

Ahhhh why do Floo and Prism both sound town

[flow trap]

I believe they were talking to Prism though

[flow trap]

so floo should really be talking to me, too. Unless floo thinks I'm scum, and Prism is town? Or it's Prism+me?

If floo thinks you're scum that's all the more reason to talk to you

[flow trap]

I will not flail when I have nothing more to say that will convince you

That is a good point

Ahhhh why do Floo and Prism both sound town

You're going to have to explain this to me. This is his first time even trying to convince me. It took me voting him to get this far after multiple gamedays of trying. He still has not seriously engaged with my content or tried to sort me at all other than the weird non-read he gave in his wall yesterday.

"I am 99% voting you today regardless of what it is. The 1% is that you are doctor."

I mean, you literally said they couldn't convince you

[flow trap]

@flow trap, do you like volcanos? Am I being dumb to consider those two as partners?

Yes & No

If it comes down to Prism v Floo, I'm

highly

requesting Quiet/Spartan to

not

place votes until I do; it will basically have the same outcome but protect against a Spartan+Prism/Floo+Quiet team

This is fine from your perspective, but from our perspective what about a flow trap+floo or prism+flowtrap team?

I fail to see how that changes anything

If it goes
Floo: Prism+Quiet
Prism: Floo+Spartan

I just hammer who isn't my partner

[flow trap]

I'm just going to say, I am leaning Floo at this point

[flow trap]

While I'm thinking about it, Spartan, you're experienced enough to meta. Review my scumgames. Pull a towngame that isn't Mini Normal 2181 where I hated the table. Extremely stark difference.

It's Elo, you can spare the hour.

Spartan, do this

[flow trap]

Spoiler:

@flow trap, do you like volcanos? Am I being dumb to consider those two as partners?

Yes & No

If it comes down to Prism v Floo, I'm

highly

requesting Quiet/Spartan to

not

place votes until I do; it will basically have the same outcome but protect against a Spartan+Prism/Floo+Quiet team

This is fine from your perspective, but from our perspective what about a flow trap+floo or prism+flowtrap team?

I fail to see how that changes anything

If it goes
Floo: Prism+Quiet
Prism: Floo+Spartan

I just hammer who isn't my partner

Also, I might be biased but Prism+Flow makes about as much sense as Prism+Floo

[flow trap]

it’s confirmed at least one scum in either Prism or Floo at this point, given that everyone has posted since the vote was placed. I also agree Prism/floo doesn’t make a ton of sense here, they could win in a lot of different ways that don’t involve this line.

But it was removed?

[flow trap]

Nah the vote is on right now. Prism is currently voting floo.

I missed the revote

[flow trap]

Confirmed not flow trap/Spartan

Is this from the recent interactions or did you go back?

[flow trap]

Am out atm but it's from you posting simultaneously, can't blitz, post was more for quiet. 0 chance Spartan shows up EoD to potentially flip you Day 2

Would that include Flow+Quiet/Quiet+Spartan? as well

[flow trap]

Ok, Floo, you may not be able to convince Prism but you might be able to convince Quiet & I so give it your best

[flow trap]

I think I've made my point on quiet and it's time to circle back to flow.

flow trap-do you have the rest of your wall? What do you feel you need from me?

No, I almost have part 5 out of 7 done

Since there is a 99.9% chance that it is between you & Floo, I completely expect a Quiet-Flow-Spartan F3, so how would you rank us from most to least suspicious?