Mini Normal 2199: Baseball (Over)

[Elsa Jay]

i think elsa is like most likely scum here with a gigantic ego who thinks that I wont get them limmed and convinced their scumteam after much arguing with him to not kill me. - i will like definitely guarantee that a scumteam with elsa wanted to kill me but elsa hard overrode them.

So what you're saying is you wanted to kill me but your scum partner overrode your desicion and now you're after me. Okay.

[Elsa Jay]

You gotta be some form of sacrifice for the scum team at this point. Or you legit just have the hardest boner to get me instead.

You have criticized literally everything I've done even after I claimed and stepped up my game, then YOU rush an elim and let NotMaf hammer again. Your play has degraded since day 1.

[Elsa Jay]

I think Elsa might be acting shifty because she is fake and doesn't actually have a result.

VOTE: Elsa

WHEN
WILL
YOU
READ
MY
POSTS
!!!

[Elsa Jay]

Still wondering how a claimed PR would get results if "Roleblocked".

[Elsa Jay]

I think Elsa might be acting shifty because she is fake and doesn't actually have a result.

VOTE: Elsa

this is like ignorant but like town ignorance LOL


kitty , he claimed result on NM and said NM was vanilla

It's close to midnight here, m'kay?

I still don't trust that. What if he is fake and claiming a result on someone who is hard to read? Now I see why moz wanted N_M PLed D1.

Why would they fake claim a result on someone harder to read since they would be less certain their result was true

because its their partner

Still wondering how a claimed PR would get results if "Roleblocked".

Because it's their partner.

I can use the same logic.

Let's see what we got.

Anya- claims to have forgetten to taken an action n1 and we don't know n2 yet.

Elsa- claims to have checked Owen n1 and NotMaf n2. Both are alive.

Koba- claims(softed) to have checked Rathe n1 And forces Kitty to roleblock them n2 so they don't have to get results. Then suddenly Rathe also died n2 leaving them no clears.

Gee, one PR has 2 living results while the other 2 currently has 0.

And if you DO elim me and then I flip town, SUDDENLY you get a guilty in LyLo on a different target.

[Elsa Jay]

Flow, with 5 people claiming to be PRs (Me Anya Norway Kitty Koba) who do you trust the most to least? Genuine question there. Because I might not be the sharpest in the world, but there are nine alive and 5 of them are claiming to be PRs while 2 are already dead.

And doing basic Mafia theory of 3 scum 10 town, then... Well you do the math. We got 3 scum left outta 9 people.

[Elsa Jay]

??????

That's a hot take. And probably very wrong considering they mentioned the Complex Modifier when I had Simple.

[Elsa Jay]

Guess we'll wait for Anya before anything really happens. See ya then.

[Elsa Jay]

Picked Norway huh? Weird flex but okay. Like the new PFP by the way.

Yeah nobody trusted Koba, lol.

[Elsa Jay]

ok well this is where I reveal I hardclaim vt - i purposefully wanted to force the roleblocker onto me so that a) the motion detectors could see it + the motion detectors could verify me being vanilla. and b) possibly prevent any other PRs from being roleblocked as I believe there may be more PRs, if at least 1 left that is left unclaimed due to what I perceive as a "low town power many PR" setup, and that there are scum in current PR claims 100%.

this plan was obviously ruined - which is unfortunate. but yeah

hardclaim VT

Yeah this was a crappy plan and now we know nothing more then before. Except now we can't even garuntee Kitty RB'd you and I don't trust ya.

[Elsa Jay]

That plan was denied before the night phase don't even go there. If you wanted me you wouldn't have claimed to be a PR.

Now different questions pile up for me. Like why Anya picked Norway, why there was movement (if true), and why the heck you did this stunt.

[Elsa Jay]

do u townread me or not

You've been after me even during day 1, and it only amplified after that.

Can I even trust you didn't just back out because neither of us checked you?

[Elsa Jay]

It's not the pushing it's the tunneling. I sure as heck don't townread you considering you tried to get all the PRs on you.

[Elsa Jay]

Not in the slightest. MD isn't even like a Watcher or follower or anything like that. If I detected anything on you it could've just been you killing as a goon as much as it was a roleblock. And if you were a PR then it's not like you couldn't claim to Anya you did an action instead.

[Elsa Jay]

I can't solve Koba if they literally just throw away my points so I'm stuck with the rest. Eso did you already claim yet or nah? I know both Owen and NotMaf are vanilla so it's just you and Flow.

Edit: you literally just keep throwing in people you don't like into your scumreads wut.

[Elsa Jay]

That readlist is more outdated particularly when I learned Kitty doesn't read anything.

New reads:
Town is me (duh), Owen, and most likely NotMaf because I doubt he's the goon if there is one. Which I still think is possible. Just not him.

One town/scum in Flow and Eso.

2 of town and scum in Anya/Norway/Koba/Kitty. Because I legit don't think all 3 scum go all in and fake PRs.

Frankly I give up holding my vote back now.

VOTE: Koba

Just get this liar outta here plz and thx.

[Elsa Jay]

I'm not getting anywhere convincing you your evil. I'll wake up and answer the questions of the other guys instead.

And it's not regurgitated. You even admitted to reshuffling your stuff too. So make your own list before attacking mine.

[Elsa Jay]

Get your actual list together Koba so we can compare. You can do that much right? Not like you don't just have the 3 people who argue with you as the scum team already.

[Elsa Jay]

and elsa, I had a worldview on day 2 that depended on moz being scum - me reshuffling makes logical sense.

You? What happened that you needed to reshuffle?

Your god-damned soft PR claim and trying to kill me again. That and confirming NotMaf as 99 percent town. Including myself I got 3/9 townies solved. So there's 3 town and 3 scum left outta you remaining 6.

I'll die on this new hill YOU made that your one of them

[Elsa Jay]

Ever heard of missing a post, Elsa? You are sooooo eager to latch onto that. Sounds like a scum trying to get rid of someone pushing.

I posted my result 4 separate times for you and you only decided to read them after Koba said it. Your far from innocent here either.

[Elsa Jay]

Koba tell me how much Kitty has contributed to the game then so them to get your confidence.

[Elsa Jay]

It's quality. Tell me a quality post made by Kitty off the top of your head.

[Elsa Jay]

Neither are you, missuster Koba. Logic doesn't jump to being a VT basically telling all PRs to be on em tonight.

[Elsa Jay]

Bed time Koba. And I'm not convincing scum they're scum. That's futile

[Elsa Jay]

Okay I'm already just waking up and seeing barnicules from Kitty.

If I was scum RBer I'd fake claim and use it to RB town power roles instead of:

N1: Waiting a night

N2: RBing a non-claimer who I read as a VT.

Your argument falls flat, Norwe.

First he says that but then when Norway calls him out:

DK's softclaim counts as a claim by the way.

I blocked DK. They implied they'd be able to confirm it.

N2: RBing a non-claimer who I read as a VT.

:/

"They" was referring to whatever other role would be able to confirm. Sorry if this was ambiguous.

They sidestep the issue by saying something that doesn't make sense in context.

Pray tell, where have i been "flailing"? >_>

You're not actually countering my argument about how I'm not likely to be a scum roleblocker

because one of the invetigatives would have been blocked

. Instead you keep calling me sus for no good reason.

Then that just means you aren't even a roleblocker? Or a very crappy one. That means you could be a different scum power role instead who got coached to claim Roleblocker.

VOTE: Anya

I am visitor

That's good...

Checker/visitor.
Simple MD/Tracker/Complex MD
Bodyguard/Roleblocker

Tracker is the connecting point between the MDs and the other 2. The bottom 2 aren't connected in the slightest.

If we go based on the fact the setup maker wanted it to look pretty then the Roleblocker claiming to be town is the outlier. Along with you not reading many posts and blatantly trying to fake the fact you suddenly read Koba as a VT...

If Koba is (unlikely) town then it sure as hell is Kitty.

[Elsa Jay]

Wait that works? You can do that Anya?

[Elsa Jay]

Unbelievable. Your right. I must do soul searching to find it.

[Elsa Jay]

? Because when he plays it's not to far off of his trolly meta.

If you've listened to me before I said I think scum has 2 PR and 1 goon. Granted after tonight they probably have all the info they need but for atleast the first 2 nights the goon probably did the kill while the other 2 investigated the town.

This means I don't think there's multitask on by the way. But if a scum flips with that then I'll reconsider my reads on you and NotMaf.

Until then you 2 are just VTs.

[Elsa Jay]

Is it just a visitor? Nothing elsa?

[Elsa Jay]

Well global multitask on is non-normal still so they have to have the modifier itself. And while normally I think they would have it in this case with me around along with a Personal Tracker being unable to track a Mafia kill it's safe to say they don't got it.

[Elsa Jay]

Yeah that makes more sense with the setup. Shame on you for lying.

[Elsa Jay]

Koba doesn't get your comedy Flow. That deserves a vote obviously.

[Elsa Jay]

I'll be honest I also thought PGO so I avoided it like the plague.

[Elsa Jay]

A reflexive watcher who wanted to be Roleblocked.

[Elsa Jay]

Well first it was because everyone was on you Owen. Then suddenly everyone put me to E1 to get a full claim.

[Elsa Jay]

If I'm not confident I second guess my reads on you and NotMaf. Frankly I'll stick with my speculating since it feels right too me so.

[Elsa Jay]

It was more a preventing measure to also focus solving on other slots. Then I just outted and helped me in directing the game.

Besides, for some reason after I did that Kitty claimed Roleblocker and pushed me up. So yeah I dunno what else I would've done there but I think I made the right call.

[Elsa Jay]

If I thought Flow was a tracker who tracked me then I wouldn't have worried at all cuz they only would've seen me visit you? I'd have no reason to panic.

It's more along the fact after Flow called me out for staying quiet that I got more proactive in my plays.

[Elsa Jay]

no it isnt at all
youre confirmed a vanilla role yeah but thats it

Were they really even confirmed that if neither me nor Anya checked them?

[Elsa Jay]

I already said I went on NotMaf today. I wasn't going on someone who claimed/softed to be a PR.

[Elsa Jay]

That's normal. Atleast without those weird "20 posts a day phase" games which suck and I'll never ever ever ever play.

[Elsa Jay]

Keep track of the votes again friends. We don't want a repeat of Moz happening.

[Elsa Jay]

Jim was gonna happen we've been over this. Moz got hammered before he could even out his track target.

[Elsa Jay]

Guess who already knew NotMaf was ready for any excuse to hammer so they rush the day and-

...

Okay time to sleep or I'll argue all night. Bleh.

[Elsa Jay]

Ugh. Well it's not like I didn't predict this happening. Atleast it was the other PR claim that was trash but the fact Kitty already knew this hammer would happen and still put it there is trash. Not even cuz of just NotMaf but also a self hammer possibility.

Learn to not vote at certain times Kitty.

[Elsa Jay]

Oh. Tbh with NotMaf around I expected the worst but I guess we're good.

[Elsa Jay]

It's not a modifier, it's a psycholigical need to murder someone whenever possible.

[Elsa Jay]

Everyone seems to have shut up now. Hmm. Who hasn't talked in awhile? I feel like we're missing someone.

[Elsa Jay]

Guess it was mostly me and Koba took the first half of the day and this wagon isn't getting fought at all by anyone. That's scary.

Like I also don't care much if Norway dies here since as a BG claim he wants to die for us anyway but it still feels like a better idea for me to solve Koba and Kitty's alignment first.

Also guess we'll wait for the replacement since sending them into a night 3 nightphase doesn't seem fair.

Edit: actually it was ironically Norway who hasn't gotten on yet.

[Elsa Jay]

Double trouble

[Elsa Jay]

No we make Brass do it instead so we don't get into trouble instead.

[Elsa Jay]

Is it me or is Norway's anime girl pfp getting more sassy?

[Elsa Jay]

Okay I'm back and I see two people have voted me and one being Eso's replacement. The other is the cripe Roleblocker who decided to never read my posts and claimed to be sleepy. Ugh those 2.

Now, let's look at this from a simple mindset. I'm explaining this all now so Kitty can't say he didn't read it later. If he does say that I'm voting him.

Anyway my options were checking between Koba and Sam as those 2 slots are the only ones claiming to be VT I haven't checked yet. So instead of dealing with Koba I did a favor and checked Sammy.

Samantha gave me "no result". I clarify this again, that's not "No movement detected". That means my action failed on them.

So literally the only 2 options there are they lied about being VT or Kitty finally decided to roleblock me.

[Elsa Jay]

I see alot of talking and voting so I'll wait for a VC before voting rashly. But yeah.

For me the only possibilities are Eso/Sam lied about being VT or Kitty/scum Roleblocked me. I can still be scum from some of your perspectives but since I know I'm not I'll keep speaking from my perspective.

Frankly I still fundamentally disagree a Roleblocker is in this setup. Atleast as town. We know the 1 shot BG claim was fake now. So honestly X-shot might be the fake claim here. It doesn't match up with the rest of us besides the 3 shot checker. BG 1 shot and RB 2 shot.

So my target feels more like it should be Kitty. If he flips town then I'll know for sure it's Anya and Sam. But if he flips scum then my check on Sam comes into question.

Kitty dying gets us 2 scum as town, 1 scum atleast if he's scum.

[Elsa Jay]

Worst part of this situation is if Kitty claimed to have Roleblocked me instead of saying he didn't do anybody last night I would've trusted it since he sussed me alot yesterday. But No RB again? On me or Anya? The fuck man. Why not.

[Elsa Jay]

One of Sam and Elsa has to be lying. Hang one and the other is cleared or confirmed as scum depending on the flip. I do not want to hang NM yet.

From my perspective this means you could be scum ready to get the last two executes ready. Again, it was also obvious I was gonna check Koba or Sam as a basically VC. So RBing me means I couldn't clear either of them. Though if I got no result checking Koba instead you might've claimed to RB me. But since I checked the last sus person before the PR claims that means you couldn't claim to RB me now without a good reason.

I still wouldn't be able to work out your partner at least. But I think I can get a different plan for that.

First things first Anya did you claim your results yet?

[Elsa Jay]

Well that result... Hmm...

I'm gonna actually wait and solve this later when I'm not at work. This means it's an easy solve or I'm missing something obvious.

[Elsa Jay]

I didn't block anyone.

And this is what I asked for, my vote was pressure. So either Sam is full of crap, or you are full of crap.
.

btw i didn't see any movement around Kitty last night

For future reference Kitty did claim his results way before Anya said anything. A 14 hour difference. So she hypothetically could've just agreed with his own results.

[Elsa Jay]

it the message doesn't overlap with the message they get when they get roleblocked, then they're 100% lying ez

I assumed Kitty wouldn't read my posts today. Turns out it was Sam.

[Elsa Jay]

I explained my result clearly in My first post of today Sam if you wanna read it.

Also minor correction. I thought it was 14 hours because I looked at the date but since Anya posted literally at midnight it changed to AM so I was confused. It was a 2 and a half hour difference. My B. Still enough time to read it obviously but yeah.

Edit: you do realize my position right? If you die that still means Kitty can still be a team with Anya if for some reason you still flip VT. That means we go into tomorrow with 2 scum and they'll both push me together and we lose.

I mean if your scum that doesn't apply but still. If your town don't try and push to get yourself killed so quick.

[Elsa Jay]

I don't vote much anyway but I do believe I did say multiple times I was okay with him dying. I was just aiming elsawhere that day. Kinda got distracted by Koba.

[Elsa Jay]

im home. I wanna reveal that there is an optimal elimination we are not talking about - that if we flip Kitty here - it solves a lot with the game.

a) if kitty flips town, we comfortably know that there is a true cc between elsa/samantha
b)anya becomes clear and can be forced to be eliminated by scum due to putting her on another PR claim
c) if kitty flips scum, we can comfortably say that the elsa x samantha debacle is TvT and there's scum elsewhere.

i've been toying with it while i could while at work - this is like the most solve worthy elim here - the theory came about when i got lightly pinged by the change of energy coming from kitty.


tell if im crazy or no

The worst part is this is what I was thinking. It's even better tbh.

I know I'm good so flipping Kitty is as good as anything. If he flips scum that means Anya is lying and we got both the last scum. If Kitty flips town that means scum don't have a roleblocker of their own and it's Samantha no matter what.

Yeah at this point I give up thinking Koba is bad they just literally play a completely different way than me. So that leaves me with Anya/Flip/NotMaf after that. But again that's assuming Sam isn't bad.

We can kill Sam and hope they flip scum but that still leaves Kitty around as a possible scum Roleblocker along with me and Anya. And I know for sure if Sam dies as scum I'll die... Wait. Then me flipping means everyone’ll go after Anya?

Welp. Talked myself into going after Sam or Kitty today no matter what. Who started that NotMaf wagon earlier?

[Elsa Jay]

If Kitty flips town that means scum don't have a roleblocker of their own and it's Samantha no matter what

no, that ignores the possibility of both mafia and town roleblockers coexisting

Is that a thing that happens often in Normals? Seems unlikely too me. Atleast with the current setup speculating.

[Elsa Jay]

Flow oh Flow where art thou?

But yeah it does feel like we did immediately narrow the list today between Me/Sam/Kitty to solve this stuff.

Guess I also want NotMaf and Anya speaking more too.

[Elsa Jay]

Well if this is actually it I'll be on Koba I guess. But don't tell me if you actually visit em tomorrow. Let me confirm it or not.

[Elsa Jay]

Oh everyone unvoted and everything. For some reason I thought it was over.

[Elsa Jay]

It feels mostly like that only happens if we kill Kitty instead. Which currently it seems more like the others want Sam instead.

[Elsa Jay]

Alright since I'm bored too...

Who would you kill tonight as scum?

[Elsa Jay]

We bored. Plus it's good WIFOM for scum.

I'd kill flow probably as scum. They can easily convince Koba to kill me already. So yeah.

[Elsa Jay]

I don't know if I should be pleased or creeper out you agreed with me Sam. What's your reasoning?

[Elsa Jay]

I don't see you offering a kill NotMaf.

[Elsa Jay]

Only way it works is if it's Anya and Kitty yeah. Well maybe Anya is evil without that but unlikely.

[Elsa Jay]

This is my daily check in. It appears I missed nothing. Did you do that catch up reread Koba? Any juicy info?

[Elsa Jay]

Well then that literally means it's Kitty for roleblocking me and not letting me confirm you as VT, and Anya for covering him. I thought we went over that already.

[Elsa Jay]

VOTE: elsa jay

...?

[Elsa Jay]

Third time is the charm.

[Elsa Jay]

Because literally everyone has already claimed day 1 and 2. It was a fun experience.

[Elsa Jay]

So basically scum get a twofer. Miselinate me then claim Elsa was lying rather than roleblocked.

Sounds like a great plan to me.

This was literally the reason I didn't want to kill Sam immediately. But she went after me instead. I like Titus in this slot already.

im also pensive about this "cc" we can instead chain the 2 motions detectors to titus. Kitty said they were 2 shot. Dont think theyre different if scum so theyre prob out of shots

We still have no idea if he even used his shot in you like he claimed anyway.

[Elsa Jay]

That's why they used lychee. Ironically we had this discussion already too so read that instead of making us do it again.

[Elsa Jay]

If I hammer Titus and they flip VT like I suggested are you gonna insta vote me tomorrow NotMaf or actually listen to me about The Roleblocker and other MD?

[Elsa Jay]

Smh. Elsa, are you at least going to engage us on flow trap?

In what world do I not go for you or Kitty to solve the game? One of you has to be lying. And if it's Kitty that means Anya is the partner.

If you flip scum then I guess I'll look more into Flow but otherwise your probably dying today. I'll vote for you before I go to bed today.

[Elsa Jay]

Why can't it be Kitty Flow?

I get DKKoba's point about Anya.

Because, you might've not read it yet, but Anya said there was No Movement from Kitty. So if You flip VT like you claim that leaves 2 options.

1: I'm scum lying about it. Since I know I ain't I go with option 2.

2: Anya is covering for Kitty in a scum pair team.

Anya as town would have no reason to lie about Kitty going nowhere while Kitty as town would've already claimed the RB on me. If you flip VT both would be false. Henceforth why I wanted Kitty gone more to confirm Anya as good or not instead. But I gotta settle for you.

[Elsa Jay]

...?

I asked this from Sam too but does mini normals usually give both town and scum a roleblocker?

[Elsa Jay]

Because Kitty is a claimed Roleblocker. So Flow also being a roleblocker is unlikely?

[Elsa Jay]

And I don't get to vote again before I went to bed. This sucks.

Edit: he clearly saved you for some reason. Bleh.

[Elsa Jay]

Mods gone time to party.

[Elsa Jay]

ah fuck this is flipping town isnt it.

What gave you that idea?

The fact I said we shouldn't have went out of Kitty or eso/Sam/Titus? Why go out of those 2 or even me when you were more garunteed to find scum.

I got no choice but to recheck Titus I guess. Fucking fuckity fuck.

[Elsa Jay]

Elsa, can you bring Bambi back? Your tone is frozen.

She gets the next game if/when I die or the game ends. You'll make me cry from the harshness though. Bambi will enjoy it tho.

[Elsa Jay]

Okay I'm here and feeling better. Been a long week. Result is no movement on Koba. Genuinely I picked this only because I thought I was gonna get Roleblocked again anyway and y'all would've killed Kitty then. Turns out he RB'd Titus instead.

[Elsa Jay]

Okay I'm here and feeling better. Been a long week. Result is no movement on Koba. Genuinely I picked this only because I thought I was gonna get Roleblocked again anyway and y'all would've killed Kitty then. Turns out he RB'd Titus instead.

Why didn't you check me, like you said you would?

And why wouldn't Kitty just RB me to clear me anyway? With 1 scum left Roleblocking me was the better choice anyway. If scum killed him they would've read his last RB being me anyway and cleared me.

People change their minds. And I checked Koba to put my mind more at ease they weren't doing a galaxy brain play earlier.

[Elsa Jay]

Wouldn't you just wait for Anya to report first anyway?

[Elsa Jay]

my action worked on Titus and i saw motion

VOTE: Titus

and didn't samantha say she was VT

WE GOT THEM

I'm just woke up and everything but isn't it literally just Anya because they lied about a result?

Also why are you assuming she kills me at all? It just ends up tomorrow with 1 of you dead instead?

[Elsa Jay]

Well it puts us at 3 people instead of 4. That's something.

[Elsa Jay]

There was movement on NotMaf. You can guess why I assume.

And does it matter anymore? Anya "cleared" Kitty while I confirmed you are Vanilla. Me going on Kitty or Anya on you is irrelevant information tomorrow if one of you die anyway with the 2 of us left.

VOTE: Anya

If you don't believe me, read Brass' last message. I had the mod error happen to me.

There was a mod error in the previous night's resolutions I don't believe it should affect the results of the game

This was at the end of day 5, when he said previous night he didn't mean night 4 he meant the "previous night" being night 3. The night I checked Titus.

He only noticed his mess up when he had to flip Titus. Anya tried to get towncred because she believed my result as the real MD and also assumed Titus wasn't a VT but failed only because Brass gave ME the wrong result.

I don't want to extend the game any longer. The Mod error basically shows it one of us and extending it out just makes it no longer worth playing.

[Elsa Jay]

brass gave me a result on samantha when he shouldn't have

how can i check Elsa if i target her dkkoba? won't i just see motion and that doesn't tell me anything?

i targeted dkkoba last night and saw nothing

...

Koba. The COMPLEX motion Detector literally just admitted to you just now that there Action worked on you. The Vanilla Townie.

The same one who copied my Titus result, who also confirmed Kitty only after he spoke. Who, in case you forgot, also said they 'forgot their n1 action's.

It's me or Anya and lengthening the process isn't going to solve it. Let's just finish it today. We waited long enough.

[Elsa Jay]

did brass tell you that was the error or are you just assuming that?

wanna answer this?

Well I sure as hell can't quote a mod PM now huh?

[Elsa Jay]

brass gave me a result on samantha when he shouldn't have

how can i check Elsa if i target her dkkoba? won't i just see motion and that doesn't tell me anything?

i targeted dkkoba last night and saw nothing

That.... literally affected how yesterday went. "Doesnt affect anything" my ass

It "didn't effect anything" because Titus already died. I dunno his logic.

He only said something after Titus died so yeah.

[Elsa Jay]

Well yeah. That's what scum do. They lie.

[Elsa Jay]

Ah. Nice. So we can actually end the day we'll.

I don't think me or Anya wanna skip today. So let's just end it.

[Elsa Jay]

Didn't let Anya hammer a no lim. Good.

Guess we wait for Kitty? Last I checked he wanted me dead instead so. Let's discuss this new information.

I know it's Anya, but we both cleared one of you anyway and there isn't 2 impostors so it's literally only between the 2 of us. Look at the claim order, our night results, our associations, anything.

But yeah whether it's 4 of us left or 3 it's one of the MD claims. We can't stall it because that just hurts town to leave it between Koba or Kitty alone. I'd rather end it with you both alive.

[Elsa Jay]

Well Anya thought my result was legit cuz she knows I'm the real MD. She claimed it to hammer it home I guess. She lies only because my result coincided with it.

And you did no such thing Anya. He messaged me AFTER the flip and then posted it. But then again the mod siteflaked after that so neither of us can prove that.

Edit: I already did earlier. That was the mod mistake. He caught it AFTER Anya fake claimed the same result as me and Titus already died.

[Elsa Jay]

Koba plz. That isn't the right move.

I cleared actual people I had no idea were VTs if I'm scum. Anya didn't claim a n1 result and nearly always went after all the PRs claimed.

Why don't you trust me?

[Elsa Jay]

Imagine not having to wait another 4 days to play the game.

Edit: yeah we can blame the mod later, we still have a chance to win now.

I didn't wait through a siteflake just to get killed becuz the mod screwed up. You just gotta trust me.

[Elsa Jay]

In Normals the game ends if the main scum team dies. If I was scum the game would've ended at my death, Flow not even mattering.

[Elsa Jay]

elsa went silent as soon as you started this whole theatre btw

Don't bring me into this. I'm not gonna defend you and I'm already voting you. I explained my peace and my vote.

If you wanna go back to memes until Kitty comes back sure but hammering it in is pointless.

[Elsa Jay]

So your admitting I got the mod error? Or are you legit saying Brass fucked up twice.

[Elsa Jay]

idk either gambit or mod error

Speaking of gambit, why couldn't it have been a gambit from you?

You got Norway out a with the help of your result sure but literally the entire game you said he was scum with confidence. Feels more like you bussed him from the start for towncred later.

[Elsa Jay]

elsa can you explain why you were so resistant on a flow trap lim?

Literally kept saying it that day I thought Titus was evil because of my result and it seemed stupid to elim outside a garunteed scum in Kitty/Sam (at the time).

Clearly knowing what we know now there was a ""minor"" effect on the game at the time.

[Elsa Jay]

If you ever read my posts (this is the third time) I already said the mod error is on my side.

[Elsa Jay]

Well we got a week to figure this out I guess. No point trying to insta kill from your perspectives. Obviously for me and Anya no duh but you two gotta think.

Off to bed gl solving it Kitty and Koba.

[Elsa Jay]

Ya know what. No point delaying it. I lost when I hesitated and let Flow die instead. Should've been more forceful.

VOTE: Elsa

Even if I won it only would've been because of a mod fuck up.

My plan to no kill was happening regardless, but my original plan was to get Sam/Titus elimed instead and get Kitty the day after. Frankly I think I had a shot until Anya also confirmed Kitty didn't go anywhere.

Fun fact: we originally thought it was Moz as the traitor, then Anya for a bit after helping my claim, then Eso, then I finally figured out Flow was the traitor all along.

I couldn't defend Norway at all because I locked myself in with too many other townreads and while I originally planned to get rid of Anya her claim meant her dying probably would've gotten me killed. If I had gotten online a few hours earlier I could've saved Flow from elimination on day 4 too. Ah well.

You live and you learn. Good game I guess.

[Elsa Jay]

Nah. My plan was WAY easier in basically getting Sam killed and framing Anya and Kitty as the scum duo. When you guys flipped Flow and found out it was a traitor game instead of a normal Mafia team tho that went out the window.

My final backup plan that lead me to hesitate was also me thinking the Sam slot was legit the traitor and I got town points anyway for killing the traitor.

Still even if I was town I disagree with the idea of eliminating out of me/Sam/Kitty that day. Flow dying was weird. Didn't help he made himself super sus at the end. But it still was probably a smarter idea to go within the mechanical guilty instead of outside it.

[Elsa Jay]

Your still on the "Jim was inno" train huh. Lmao.

Anyway this game REALLY shouldn't have taken this long. Brass messing up basically not only gave us an extra game day but also another IRL week. Hope it was still fun Atleast.

Hope we play again together Koba. You were fun. Kitty... Well hopefully you eventually learn to read my posts. Anya you were entertaining the entire way and sorry the only way I even targeted ya today was because of a mod mistake.

[Elsa Jay]

Wonder if I had a chance if Brass didn't decide to mention the "not game effecting" mod error. Probably could've gotten Anya killed for "lying". Then again that would be even cheaper then what I already did.

Edit: you 2 being alive was my doing because I knew I'd atleast get to the finale with you around.

[Elsa Jay]

I mean... You weren't the worst partner I ever had. So there's that.

[Elsa Jay]

Frankly I just had to keep Koba off of me enough since Kitty listened to them. If I killed Koba I still didn't really fear Kitty. His role almost came to my advantage.

He's a good guy obviously. Just not a leader.