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Alisae · Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:13 am

CAN U PEOPLE AT LEAST POST READS
WHAT DOES IT TAKE FOR A GUY TO GET SOME READS LISTS CHRIST

Alisae · Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:17 am

If people don’t give me reads then Ima just vote them for behaving in a way that denies enabling me.
I’m going to keep a list as well.

play my game or die.

Alisae · Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:28 am

I have no idea what’s happening in this game or who is scum. Only a bunch of townreads
Skitter seems townie but could be wrong
Mena doesn’t seem like scum but I could be wrong
Lucy seemed like town but there’s a scum case for them and I could be wrong
Norwee could be starting to let his agenda show because I genuinely don’t believe that suddenly I’m not townie anymore because I’m lurking but also his logic is bad but he has some of the worst logic on the website
Day could be scum or town Idunno
Luca could be town considering they don’t know how to react to me not being proactive and therefore think I’m scum since I’m different but Idunno
Fark seems townie
Chara seems townie
Ydra town the only thing I trust atm is how I read ydra
SS is supposed to be town but I’m not sure
PP haven’t read a single post of tbh
Pooky just seems like scum

Alisae · Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:31 am

Tho I haven’t read any Chara posts so o could be wrong they can fool me with ease I think

Alisae · Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:34 am

Either way no reads and why is suspect cuz if u don’t do this or half as it ur not helping me and not helping me is scummy where as town are probably okay with helping me and I don’t think it hurts them to do as much as possible to help me.

Alisae · Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:34 am

In post 2945, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 2938, Alisae wrote:CAN U PEOPLE AT LEAST POST READS
WHAT DOES IT TAKE FOR A GUY TO GET SOME READS LISTS CHRIST

{Best Bird}

{}

{Menalque, skitter30, PookyTheMagicalBear}

{Luca Blight, Farkran}

{Something_Smart, Alisae}

{Chara, Ydrasse}

{NorwegianboyEE}

{Day, LegoLucy}

{}

good enuff for me

Alisae · Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:35 am

I’ll just compile these somewhere and then ask why later

Alisae · Mon Mar 15, 2021 4:55 pm

Alisae · Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:16 pm

the only readlists I saw were from PP and Mena

Alisae · Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:39 pm

VOTE: norwee

Alisae · Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:39 pm

now i wanna just say fuck it and go to the night phase :/

Alisae · Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:53 pm

In post 3249, Farkran wrote:I would vote menalque but i think his wagon will never go through now

I think i want to vote alisae

Any interest?

pleaaaaaase

Alisae · Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:01 am

it hurts you to vote me?
it helps me

Alisae · Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:04 am

In post 3258, Farkran wrote:Pedit: i'm sad that you aren't having fun though

votes abouta start all u gotta do is get some votes

Alisae · Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:04 am

or ywall can flip somethin thats ok too

Alisae · Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:05 am

In post 3260, Alisae wrote:
In post 3258, Farkran wrote:Pedit: i'm sad that you aren't having fun though
votes abouta start all u gotta do is get some votes

funs abouta start all u gotta do is get some votes

Alisae · Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:09 am

In post 3265, Farkran wrote:This norwee is just town i'm sry

I don't understand why the menalque wagon died in the first place and i disliked ali unvoting on there

Like e's still the trigger-happy alisae i love but somehow only against town

just show me im wrong and i adjust
im good at that

Alisae · Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:22 am

btw can we actually kill something.
Someone give me a name and I'll vote them.
Someone needs to die.

Alisae · Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:24 am

We can vote me tomorrow, killing me d1 is probably not wise because you're still left with the bunch of other riddles and bullshit to sort through and flipping me doesn't actually help with any of that.
If you wanted to take a glimpse into my alignment, it makes the most sense for you to go mena > me.

But votes on me is like using a defibrillator if you catch my gist.

Alisae · Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:40 am

In post 3275, Farkran wrote:
In post 3266, Alisae wrote:
In post 3265, Farkran wrote:This norwee is just town i'm sry

I don't understand why the menalque wagon died in the first place and i disliked ali unvoting on there

Like e's still the trigger-happy alisae i love but somehow only against town
just show me im wrong and i adjust
im good at that
Why unvoting mena but join on day and norwee

cuz those 2 seem more like scum than mena? didn't like day putting mena and skitter low in their reads and they feel like they're keeping me at arm's reach
norwee feels similar and his agenda is starting to show. also his logic sucks but his logic always sucks

Alisae · Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:01 pm

In post 3385, Luca Blight wrote:I'm struggling right now in terms of confident TR's

Chara seems Townie since the wagon on them

I'm inclined to believe Menalque is Town based on Skitter's confidence (regardless of Skitter's alignment as I don't think they're S/S)

Skitter in the argument seemed Town but I'm starting to doubt myself again

Farkran seems Town generally but I disagree with most of his views

Lucy has seemed Town throughout but has dropped off a bit?

SS has seemed increasingly Town to me in a subtle way

Pooky seemed Town for most of the game but I don't like his recent posting as much. Has claimed to be a tpr so hopefully this one self-resolves

Ali has seemed scummy to me generally since the beginning. Eir recent posting has pinged me as town a little for some reason

Ydrasse seemed a bit Townie in RVS but has done very little since. I could see her potentially being scum playing up to the 'I'm lost' thing, or it could be genuine idk

PP hasn't made much of an impression on me either way

That's kind of where I'm at

This is why we need to just flip something btw

Alisae · Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:54 pm

In post 3434, LegoLucy wrote:Legos are all I want out of our friendship

In post 3433, LegoLucy wrote:Does your role give me legos

amazing posting by legolucy

Alisae · Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:14 pm

In post 3458, Farkran wrote:But honestly i don't know what to say, i sat on a mena/pooky solve for years and i think i was wrong so this is currently my best bet at limming scum today

you should give up on trying to elim scum and just try to elim for more information

Alisae · Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:15 pm

tbh this day phase I think always elims a townie considering it seems impossible to get wagons through on like anyone so it's probably just better to vote the person who's flip is the most revealing.

Alisae · Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:18 pm

Like Fark you're going to flip me, you're going to realize I'm town, and you and every townie is going to hate their life because you elim'd me and that told you nothing about the gamestate. I can only do so much in response to figuring out the alignments of people who are going to vote me.
If you think I'm scum just save it for day 2 or 3 when you have more information.

Alisae · Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:57 pm

I'll vote mena.

Alisae · Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:59 pm

In post 3457, LegoLucy wrote:Ydrasse's last couple of posrs reminded me of scum her.

Ali is playing nullish

Fark has these occasional flashed townie moments but also it's in his range?

VOTE: Yd

We're never killing Ydra today oh my god Isis no.
Killing Ydra is so bad what.

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:14 am

Kill Ydra is the same thing as getting Star Power in a Mario level and then doing nothing with it.

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:16 am

Like just vote me if you want to kill Ydra, if I'm scum that tells you that Ydra could be scum with me because I've been hard defending them as the only townread I'm confident in, but if I'm town it provides just as much information as killing Ydra does which is nothing.

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:02 am

VOTE: mena

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:52 am

In post 3497, Ydrasse wrote:it’s mostly just for the fact he’s my friend if i’m honest, and i feel for his situation making mafia less fun/making him less engaged

i do think though it’s slightly more likely? scum skitter pockets than incorrectly defends him and he’s been pretty hands off regarding skitter, and given that i have weird pings btwn him/pooky/skitter and i think this, and currently tr pooky... yeah

if it’s gonna be the move today i’ll go for it but unhappily tbh

you'll be more unhappy if we don't kill anyone

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:53 am

In post 3508, Menalque wrote:Also VOTE: ali

Eir progression here feels v fake and like a failed pocket attempt. Also the recent super strong defence of ydrasse felt weird and if ali!scum I would prob look again at ydra

you realize I'm voting you for the sake of compromise and not because I scumread you right? Like I townread you I'm just compromising on you because you give information when you flip

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:55 am

bro the fuck you want me to do

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:56 am

someone needs to die
if we can't kill scum cuz we can't wagon them or know who the fuck then I'm using the breathing room we have to make mistakes to try to get an informative flip.

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:57 am

I also honestly think if you were scum you would probably bus someone since you think bussing is good for some reason but I don't think you have so you're probably town but no one wants to get together to kill something so like
the fuck am I supposed to do? Just be okay with this and no elim? Fuck no.

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:02 am

If we want to wagon scum
like actually
wagon scum
pretty sure SS is the best chance we have of actually hitting scum.
But I'm not going to vote it because by my own logic, if it's town it tells me nothing so........

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:06 am

If I'm plugging in
Norwee = Town
Chara = Town
Fark = Town
Pooky = Town
Day = Town
Mena = Town
Skitter = Town
Lucy = Town
Ydrasse = Town

Then you are forced to come to Luca being scum, PP being scum, and SS being scum.
I think this is a really good start.
Maybe Chara is scum and 1 of these are wrong, that could be VERY possible btw.
But if we're plugging in Norwee, Day, Fark, and Pooky as town, and we're plugging in Mena and Skitter as town, then these conclusions just make fucking sense.

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:08 am

Maybe its {Luca, Chara, SS}
Maybe that's just the team if this town is just doing everything in its power to just shoot itself in the leg and I'm wrong.
BTW I can throw PP in and out of this easy but I think this as a team makes a lot of sense.

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:13 am

actually maybe not Chara and it just has to be PP.

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:17 am

Ya okay I like PP more than Chara in that solve of {PP, Luca, SS}
Or it could be something like {PP, SS, Norwee}

Norwee's progression is kinda similar to that one time we were scum together and he kept changing his stance on to townread me or to not townread me, so this could make some sense.

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:21 am

In post 3524, Farkran wrote:
In post 3523, Alisae wrote:Ya okay I like PP more than Chara in that solve of {PP, Luca, SS}
Or it could be something like {PP, SS, Norwee}

Norwee's progression is kinda similar to that one time we were scum together and he kept changing his stance on to townread me or to not townread me, so this could make some sense.
Norwee is this true

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=82568 read it for yourself buddy

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:24 am

"Ridiculous" btw

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:26 am

it could be a waste of time i just re-read it myself and it's like vaguely wrong but i think there could be something there idunno im tired but like elim something that yields information

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:26 am

In post 3530, Luca Blight wrote:Why have you townbinned Ydrasse, Ali?

because she's town and I know how to read her unlike the 12 other players on the playerlist?

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:30 am

In post 3533, Luca Blight wrote:What makes you think she’s Town

what makes you think she's scum?
The fact that you're lazy and don't know where else to go so you immediately look towards the low hanging fruit?

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:30 am

In post 3533, Luca Blight wrote:What makes you think she’s Town

what makes you think she's scum?
The fact that you're lazy and don't know where else to go so you immediately look towards the low hanging fruit?

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:34 am

because I'm town so I know that your poe is wrong????

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:35 am

It's wrong because I'm town and Ydra is town.
SS is scum tho

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:36 am

SS being scum is one of the few things that makes sense if you consider that everyone is just pushing town and no one can agree to do anything.
Also hasn't been using his vote at all. He says he never uses his vote but its still triggering as shit and annoying as all hell cuz he should be using his vote but he refuses not to for some reason is what it is ig

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:45 am

In post 3543, Luca Blight wrote:Sell me on SS, then?

Okay
Well if
Ydra being town
I'm town
Fark town due to this is how he plays villager games
Skitter town for townreading Mena
Lucy town for being town and scumhunting
Chara town for being chara
Day and Pooky being town

Then you get the leftovers of
PP
SS
Mena (which was actually never voted by PP or SS or never voted those 2 players so it could fit and it would make sense as to why no one can kill him, which would be because scum are voting him and the people defending him are villagers)
Norwee

Idunno tho

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:45 am

In post 3545, Luca Blight wrote:I’m off to bed. Unless there’s more compelling reasons then I’m sticking with my lim pool

here's another compelling reason

SOMEONE NEEDS TO FUCKING DIE SO COMRPOMISE ON SOMETHING YOU DON'T LIKE.

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:46 am

YOU CAN'T ALWAYS GET YOUR PREFERENCE IN THE GAME OF MAFIA
THAT'S JUST NOT HOW THIS FUCKING GAME WORKS.

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:46 am

YOU HAVE TO REACH COMPROMISES MAN

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:50 am

I'VE SEEN DAY PHASES PLAY OUT LIKE THIS ALL OF THE TIME WHERE ITS LIKE
"GUYS WE CAN'T WAGON ANYTHING WTF IS GOING ON"
AND THEN THERE'S A DEADLINE RUSH AND ITS LIKE
"WAIT, THESE DAY PHASES HAVE A DEADLINE? CRAP GOTTA VOTE SOMEONE" AND IT ENDS UP BEING A VILLAGER OR THE ELIM JUST DOESN'T FUCKING HAPPEN

ARE WE GOING TO TAKE THE L AND VOTE SOMEONE OR DO WE WANT TO NO ELIM

FUCK MAN

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:50 am

In post 3550, Farkran wrote:
In post 3526, Alisae wrote:
In post 3524, Farkran wrote:
In post 3523, Alisae wrote:Ya okay I like PP more than Chara in that solve of {PP, Luca, SS}
Or it could be something like {PP, SS, Norwee}

Norwee's progression is kinda similar to that one time we were scum together and he kept changing his stance on to townread me or to not townread me, so this could make some sense.
Norwee is this true
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=82568 read it for yourself buddy
Awww you even talked about me in that game (we lost avalon in the end tho, sadface)

Still i think norwee has more fun as scum than town and the frustration here is genuine, but maybe that's just because anime games are more fitting to his tastes

I don't see any similarities between that scum!norw and this!norw though, but then again metadiving is satan

Talk to me about your similarities in feeling between that norwee and this norwee

no because this isn't worth talking about right now

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:52 am

norwee being town or scum doesn't change that SS is probably flipping scum since in a lot of games, the scum is usually the one guy that no one wants to talk about for some reason so I'm bringing him up
also no one wants to point a finger at PP either for some reason

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:52 am

In post 3553, Luca Blight wrote:I’m willing to compromise, I’ve given three names

that's not what compromising is.

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:54 am

also I'm pretty sure SS isn't something that's actually killable today, I'm just mentioning it since I think its probably scum.
Mena however is.
Or you could go back to voting norwee.
Or I we could just go back to voting day
all 3 of those people give information on their flip

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:55 am

Ydra as a flip says nothing
Me as a flip says nothing

I'm not going to support something that doesn't actually help make this day phase readable. This day phase is unreadable because we don't have bodies and I want some fucking bodies THAT CAN HELP MAKE THE GAME FUCKING READABLE AND MAYBE YDRA OR ME JUST AREN'T IT CHIEF

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:56 am

In post 3558, Luca Blight wrote:And I’m open to an alternative if someone can sell me on it

THAT'S NOT WHAT A COMPROMISE IS

A COMPROMISE IS AN AGREEMENT THAT IS REACHED BY BY EACH SIDE MAKING

CONCESSIONS

.

HOW THE FUCK IS SAYING "I'LL ONLY VOTE IN THESE 3 PEOPLE" A FUCKING CONCESSION

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:01 am

WHATS UP WITH THESE PLAYERS THAT MUST GO OUT OF THEIR WAY TO FLIP SCUM AND EVEN IN THE SLIGHTEST IF THEY THINK "HEY, THIS PLAYER COULD FLIP TOWN, I'M NOT INTERESTED" OR "I DON'T SCUMREAD THAT PLAYER, I DON'T WANNA VOTE IT EVEN THO A BUNCH OF OTHER PLAYERS IN THE GAME WANNA VOTE IT" OR "I WILL ONLY VOTE THESE 3 PEOPLE AND NO ONE ELSE" BECUASE THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT ITS OKAY TO MISELIM PLAYERS AND THAT TOWN FLIPS ARE THINGS YOU CAN WORK WITH, BUT PLAYERS DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE THIS INFORMATION BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO THINK FOR THEMSELVES.

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:03 am

In post 3562, Luca Blight wrote:So it’s not a compromise unless I agree to a lim I have no interest in? BS

Ydrasse is my preference but I’m willing to go with you or Norwee or maybe even someone like PP if there’s more interest in that

And I want to lim scum, not just aim for information

YES IT'S NOT A COMPROMISE UNLESS YOU AGREE ON A LIM YOU HAVE NO INTEREST IN.

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:04 am

In post 3565, Luca Blight wrote:What info does a Menalque town flip provide?

IT SAYS THAT MAYBE PEOPLE WERE VALID FOR DEFENDING THEM AND THAT MAYBE THEY WEREN'T BEING DEFENDED BY SCUM?

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:04 am

PEOPLE PUSHED MENA
PEOPLE DEFENDED MENA
ITS WAY EASIER TO SORT WHAT ALIGNMENT IS DOING WHAT WHEN YOU CAN FLIP THE GUY AND THEN READ INTERACTIONS BUT IG WHEN WE PLAY MAFIA WE DON'T WANNA TRY SORT INTERACTIONS WITH DEAD PEOPLE WE JUST WANNA KILL WHO WE THINK IS SCUM

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:05 am

I hate all of you btw if ywall actually no elim

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:08 am

YES WE HAVE 48~ HOURS
WE NEED TO BE CONSOLIDATING NOW
WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO FUCK AROUND ANYMORE

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:08 am

also fucking vote wagons man idc who the fuck you are just vote something

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:08 am

no more fucking vanity votes please holy shit

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:10 am

like ywall need a fucking town treestump or something to fucking herd the sheep and get you guys to actually do something because no one wants to do fucking anything it's just talking and bickering and talking and bickering and no one is getting anything done it's all so fucking pointless.

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:12 am

these 144 pages only become relevant after we have several upon several of dead bodies and flips we can analyze but no one seems to want to think that far ahead enough to make day 1 readable on a future day, no sir.
And see, if I was scum, I would be like "Ya, let's just try to miselim the townies that will provide the least amount of information possible to solving this clusterfuck of a game." because this game is just a fucking unreadable mess.

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:13 am

only way to find out and its to vote mena!

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:16 am

Ydra why don't you wanna vote mena again?

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:18 am

Ydra someone has to die

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:18 am

it sucks but someone has to die

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:31 am

In post 2945, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 2938, Alisae wrote:CAN U PEOPLE AT LEAST POST READS
WHAT DOES IT TAKE FOR A GUY TO GET SOME READS LISTS CHRIST

{Best Bird}

{}

{Menalque, skitter30, PookyTheMagicalBear}

{Luca Blight, Farkran}

{Something_Smart, Alisae}

{Chara, Ydrasse}

{NorwegianboyEE}

{Day, LegoLucy}

{}

???????????????????????

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 6:23 pm

In post 3998, Day wrote:How can Ali tell whether or not Mena's bussed someone?

I ISO'd him and I followed his votes

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 6:23 pm

In post 3998, Day wrote:Why is Ali plugging 9 players in as town, and why are none of them Luca?

because i think luca v norwee has value to it

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 6:24 pm

I'm looking for a deepwolf
there is a clearly a deepwolf in play

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 6:25 pm

This is how my brain works
I plug in answers into it like a machine and see what spits out

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 6:27 pm

In post 4002, Day wrote:
In post 3999, Alisae wrote:
In post 3998, Day wrote:How can Ali tell whether or not Mena's bussed someone?
I ISO'd him and I followed his votes
So you mean you townread everyone he's voted?

I think if you're bussing you're moving your vote around a lot less. It's not behavior I do when I bus. When I bus I commit to it and I've done plenty of bussing before both being the busser and being on the receiving end.

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 6:28 pm

I'm also trying to look at the game from a perspective of "There is a deepwolf and this is town doing everything in its power to shoot itself in the leg"

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 6:35 pm

VOTE: penguin
lets go penguin

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 6:35 pm

4010 is good

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 6:37 pm

holy shit this is gold i love it

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 6:37 pm

pooky carry me

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 6:39 pm

I'll carry out your way if you bless me out with a scum flip
I'll do magic tricks
I'll do things bears never thought they'd ever see in their life time

Alisae · Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:44 pm

In post 4031, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:ok fine

fark is town

pick somebody to kill ill sheep it

VOTE: noone

Pp is still good

Alisae · Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:18 am

ok but we need to kill something

Alisae · Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:29 am

im staying on the wagon but I think this flips town?

Alisae · Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:29 am

maybe not its possible for it not to flip town
maybe I'm not so sure huh

Alisae · Sat Mar 20, 2021 9:57 am

{Luca, Norwee} {Fark} {Day, Lucy}?

Alisae · Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:11 am

In post 4172, Alisae wrote:{Luca, Norwee} {Fark/Mena} {Day, Lucy}?

edit

Alisae · Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:13 am

blessed

Alisae · Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:21 am

because i think 3 scum were on PP?

Alisae · Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:21 am

Maybe at least 2
would be surprised if scum didn't participate or only 1 scum participated

Alisae · Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:23 am

In post 4181, NorwegianboyEE wrote:What an ridiculous assumption

Alisae · Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:35 am

In post 4184, Farkran wrote:Pedit: 3 scum on wagon looks like overkill for a compromise so difficult to achieve

ss doesn't move his vote ever and probably would have if he was scum
luca hopping off seems townie and I think luca v norwee has value to it
skitter probs town
chara maybe? I'd look here or at SS if things start going wrong
if fark is town mena could be worth considering

Alisae · Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:41 am

In post 4200, NorwegianboyEE wrote:> Pooky scumreads Farkran.
> Pooky get's nightkilled.

Mena/Alisae: "OMG THIS MEANS FARKRAN IS SCUM!!"

Really...?
Are you guys actually going for the most obvious and easy take in the universe? Why couldn't scum have killed Pooky to frame?

This doesn't make sense because the only person who is going after Fark at the start of the day is me and mena so one of us would have to be scum if this is true because we're the ones that are doing this. Like the counter question to "Why couldn't scum have killed Pooky to frame?" is "Who is scum that's framing him" and it doesn't really seem like anyone is framing fark, and if someone was, it would most likely be someone like me or mena. But you're defending Fark instead of attacking us. It's really weird.

Alisae · Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:42 am

In post 4206, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I'm not saying it's impossible, but i'm questioning the fact that this is the narrative being instantly pushed right now. And i don't trust Mena/Alisae.

I'm not pushing this narrative, why are you tieing me into this. I didn't say anything about the night kill. Are you trying to force a narrative that's not true?

Alisae · Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:43 am

In post 4213, Menalque wrote:I agree norwee, now let's flip fark and find out if we are!

I actually want to flip Norwee instead this defense is really fucking weird.

Alisae · Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:44 am

In post 4231, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 4228, Alisae wrote:This doesn't make sense because the only person who is going after Fark at the start of the day is me and mena so one of us would have to be scum if this is true because we're the ones that are doing this. Like the counter question to "Why couldn't scum have killed Pooky to frame?" is "Who is scum that's framing him" and it doesn't really seem like anyone is framing fark, and if someone was, it would most likely be someone like me or mena. But you're defending Fark instead of attacking us. It's really weird.
I just attacked you in my most recent post.
And i don't get what your point here is. Just for the sake of stating: "it's weird" period??

It's like Bell's reaction to Murder attacking Polar Bears

Alisae · Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:46 am

like ur trying to shut this down when it's something you should let develop. We actually talked about this in that game so it's really strange.
Like, why wouldn't Farkran just kill Pooky?

Alisae · Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:47 am

Like how are we jumping to the conclusion that Fark must be town and scum are framing him and completely ignoring the possibility that Fark could have shot Pooky. Like we're skipping steps.

Alisae · Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:48 am

In post 4241, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 4237, Alisae wrote:like ur trying to shut this down when it's something you should let develop. We actually talked about this in that game so it's really strange.
Like, why wouldn't Farkran just kill Pooky?
I'm not voting anyone yet, so i'm letting things develop. I'm simply questioning the slots that were pushing the narrative that scum!Farkran killed Pooky tonight.

I wasn't pushing it and I feel like ur trying to paint me as pointing it when I haven't done anything of the sort.
It's really weird

Alisae · Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:50 am

In post 4245, Alisae wrote:
In post 4241, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 4237, Alisae wrote:like ur trying to shut this down when it's something you should let develop. We actually talked about this in that game so it's really strange.
Like, why wouldn't Farkran just kill Pooky?
I'm not voting anyone yet, so i'm letting things develop. I'm simply questioning the slots that were pushing the narrative that scum!Farkran killed Pooky tonight.
I wasn't pushing it and I feel like ur trying to paint me as pushing* it when I haven't done anything of the sort.
It's really weird

Alisae · Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:51 am

In post 4249, Farkran wrote:If me/norwee were a team we would bus our sorry ass with reciprocated violence

And you should know that

ok but idc about if i care about what happened and whats currently happening

Alisae · Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:52 am

In post 4249, Farkran wrote:Pedit: i very likely would kill pooky, the question is why does my name come up to mind as the most obvious compared to literally anyone else? I've been pushed since midday from pooky and a couple other people - up to that point i was actually townread by the majority of the town, it was only after my fight against skitter that people started reconsidering

because norwee was the first one to mention you I think and try to spin that narrative because he sees me and mena scumreading fark and he's probably just scum

Alisae · Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:57 am

In post 4262, Farkran wrote:It's equally interesting how people are selling that narrative as the only possible option when pooky was widely townread and a *claimed pr*

this too, it's interesting that norwee is looking to try to attack me/mena and defend u for something that could have been decided based on this logic. Usually scum are the ones who bring up the narrative of "this person looks bad from this kill" or "guys this person is being framed for this kill" so ya I want to vote norwee probably

Alisae · Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:58 am

In post 4267, Menalque wrote:
In post 4262, Farkran wrote:It's equally interesting how people are selling that narrative as the only possible option

http://www.tzr.io/yarn-clip/5a78b421-9d ... c1529dfb1c

Norwee is saying that tho!

Alisae · Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:59 am

I'm also really not okay with Fark just ignoring what Norwee is actually doing.

Alisae · Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:01 am

In post 4275, Menalque wrote:lol if ur not scum norwee then why do u sound exactly the way u always sound when ur scum?

true

Alisae · Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:02 am

sounds like Norwee is out of gas honestly

Alisae · Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:04 am

In post 4281, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 4277, Alisae wrote:
In post 4275, Menalque wrote:lol if ur not scum norwee then why do u sound exactly the way u always sound when ur scum?
true
And yet there were crickets when I said this D1

I prefer to drag it out tbh.

Alisae · Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:41 pm

In post 4344, skitter30 wrote:i don't townread you, i don't understand why anyone ever townread you, and you're repeatedly taking positions that are contrary to my understanding of the game (town-lucy, scum-pooky) and i don't understand how you came to those conclusions or why you have the positions you have

@Fark this would reaaaally help me out, just sayin

Alisae · Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:43 pm

I like Skitter

Alisae · Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:45 pm

I will follow Skitter to the ends of the earth

Alisae · Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:46 pm

Skitter also sounds mad

Alisae · Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:48 pm

Fark you know that I'm not going to care until you lay everything you got on me in 1 singular post and show ur work

Alisae · Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:48 pm

Skitter I'll go Fark

Alisae · Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:50 pm

fwiw skitter what do you think about Norwee, Chara, Day, and SS

Alisae · Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:53 pm

btw Skitter I like Norwee-Day-Fark because Fark and Norwee seem to be aligned with each other and Norwee and Day seem to be aligned with each other so..........

Alisae · Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:57 pm

I'm reading Fark and Day together
Skitter take a look with me, for some reason I think they're not aligned because Fark pushed Day a lot and Day seemed to not care? I feel like if there was theater going on there, Day would care a bit more about responding to Fark?

Alisae · Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:59 pm

oh
i think i realized who day is.

Alisae · Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:59 pm

how did I read this player before hmm......

Alisae · Sat Mar 20, 2021 2:02 pm

Maybe I'm wrong because the player I'm thinking of should know that I'm town here :/

Alisae · Sat Mar 20, 2021 2:03 pm

well wait maybe it's not I'm just wrong ig lol

Alisae · Sat Mar 20, 2021 2:05 pm

that looks cozy ydra

Alisae · Sat Mar 20, 2021 2:07 pm

Also Skitter what do you think of Day's read on me and the bits/moments where I was mentioned in their ISO?

Alisae · Sat Mar 20, 2021 2:07 pm

In post 4397, Day wrote:
In post 4392, Alisae wrote:Maybe I'm wrong because the player I'm thinking of should know that I'm town here :/
Really?

I thought you were Flea for a moment but now I'm not sure and tbh I don't really care so...

Alisae · Sat Mar 20, 2021 2:09 pm

In post 4402, Ydrasse wrote:
In post 4396, Alisae wrote:that looks cozy ydra
i know right?

ya that sounds fantastic count me in

Alisae · Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:59 am

why is "this" scum

Alisae · Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:03 am

In post 4574, Day wrote:
In post 4569, Alisae wrote:why is "this" scum
Scum!Alisae only shows up when a player votes another while saying "This is scum"

VOTE: Alisae

or I just woke up?

Alisae · Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:03 am

Day plz help me I need help.

Alisae · Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:04 am

In post 4579, Day wrote:What assistance do you require?

~~~

Fark, how many votes was Pengo on at the time of that skitter compromise post?

u said lucy was scum
why is she scum?

Alisae · Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:05 am

keep in mind I haven't really read her posts, I've just skimmed what she has posted and it feels town so I need help here if you think the contrary

Alisae · Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:06 am

oh ok

Alisae · Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:11 am

If Day posts "This always flips scum" then its gotta flip scum right?
VOTE: Lucy
LETS GOOOOOOOO

Alisae · Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:11 am

UNVOTE:

Alisae · Sun Mar 21, 2021 6:09 am

Skitter is the VC

Alisae · Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:23 am

In post 4632, NorwegianboyEE wrote:And to then push a solve based on the slots that were voting Penguin...
I don't think town!Alisae would be so... surface level? And that makes me wonder if it's scum!Alisae here that can only come up with obvious and ez takes and push them through aggressively.
AKA, the red playstyle Alisae.

A proactive scum!Ali that wants to drive the narrative and control the agenda has a lot more posts than I currently do.

Alisae · Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:24 am

In post 4631, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 4623, Chara wrote:
In post 4166, innocentvillager wrote:10. PenguinPower [7]: LegoLucy#3821, Day#3923, Alisae#4011, PookyTheMagicalBear#4043, Farkran#4045, NorwegianboyEE#4131, Ydrasse#4157
did Ali elaborate on why there would have to be multiple scum on Penguin's wagon?

given Ali was on the wagon eirself... and so it Pooky, i'm not actually sure what this take means or why you specifically have issue with it. is it because it feels arbitrary? i wasn't here at deadline but i know there were wagons besides Penguin that didn't end up getting the votes, but i doubt all of them were on scum which would be a reason i'd consider Penguin to be a scum-driven wagon rather than a compromise one. i also had him in my PoE.
I brought up this in daystart, i think Alisae's instant reaction that Penguin was a
scum driven wagon
(No further elaboration) is a really bad take because i don't understand why Alisae would join the wagon on Penguin, think it's got merit. And then instantly claim literally every single scum must have been on the wagon when i don't see why that would be the case? Was there any situation yesterday that demanded this from the theoretical scum!team Alisae thinks of here?

didn't say it was scum driven, just said there was scum on it.

Alisae · Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:34 am

In post 4639, Ydrasse wrote:alisae, question, how is a wagon not scum driven if the entire scum team is on it?

like that's literally half the wagon, right, going off of your initial take that it was 3/3 scum on it? are you just saying that like 1 town player threw it out there and everyone hopped on, or what?

also who are the scum on it again? i need reminder pls

because driven implies that scum are the ones that are leading it.

Norwee is probably scum. If it's not Norwee then Luca has a higher chance of being scum but I don't really think that's likely.
Fark is probably scum and if it's not Fark it's probably Mena or Skitter.
If none of those are scum there's probably 1 in {Lucy, Day} but like
I feel like Lucy on a skim has been pretty townie and I kind of think Day's approach to my slot comes from someone who hasn't played with me and like it feels townie but I'm really not all that sure. It would be maybe Chara or SS since those are the only things that are left.

Alisae · Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:36 am

In post 4646, Ydrasse wrote:
In post 4379, Alisae wrote:btw Skitter I like Norwee-Day-Fark because Fark and Norwee seem to be aligned with each other and Norwee and Day seem to be aligned with each other so..........

In post 4387, Alisae wrote:I'm reading Fark and Day together
Skitter take a look with me, for some reason I think they're not aligned because Fark pushed Day a lot and Day seemed to not care? I feel like if there was theater going on there, Day would care a bit more about responding to Fark?
@alisae, could you follow up on this pls

What is there to follow up on?
I thought Fark Day and Norwee was a team
I read Fark and Day's interactions and I don't feel like they would be aligned because Day completely ignored Fark and when you're doing theater you want to make a show of it. It's called theater for a reason.

Alisae · Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:38 am

In post 4651, skitter30 wrote:should i be worried that ali is buddying me?
i feel like no

I respect u and think we're generally seeing the same things so I want to bounce things off of you. Is that not normal?

Alisae · Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:39 am

In post 4652, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 4648, Alisae wrote:Norwee is probably scum. If it's not Norwee then Luca has a higher chance of being scum but I don't really think that's likely.
Seriously?
I know i'm town, and to conclude that makes Luca scum is incredibly odd. I feel like Luca's been obvtown for a long time now.

I feel like you v luca has value to it

Alisae · Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:43 am

Either way I feel very very solid about Norwee + Fark.

Alisae · Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:44 am

Not sure who the third is.

Alisae · Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:38 pm

Lucy do you genuinely believe that I am scum?

Alisae · Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:26 pm

Yeah Fark is good.
Why are you townreading Norwee

Alisae · Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:41 pm

I know what none of those words mean

Alisae · Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:40 pm

I hate pandora and yoshi

Alisae · Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:23 pm

Ydra do you wanna vote Fark yet?

Alisae · Sun Mar 21, 2021 5:01 pm

I think Skitter is town if Fark is scum

Alisae · Sun Mar 21, 2021 5:34 pm

Skitter as scum would probably want to participate in the PP wagon to try to get on my good side when I'm just yelling about compromising

Alisae · Sun Mar 21, 2021 5:34 pm

I also just think Fark is more likely to be scum than skitter

Alisae · Sun Mar 21, 2021 5:37 pm

because it appeases me and the timing makes the vote easily justified.
There's no way for skitter to know what conclusions I will reach from the vote count, or if I try to draw any conclusions at all.

Alisae · Sun Mar 21, 2021 5:41 pm

I think this has value to it if Fark is town

Alisae · Sun Mar 21, 2021 5:44 pm

I just know that Fark wants to keep me in the POE where as Skitter wants to townread me and if Skitter was scum and Fark was town, Skitter will want to put me in the PoE after Fark flips town or somethin

Alisae · Sun Mar 21, 2021 5:47 pm

Yep, so I don't mind being wrong on Fark and seeing what happens.
Fark flipping town is also pretty helpful for reading the game.

Alisae · Sun Mar 21, 2021 6:14 pm

This is why I want to flip Norwee Norwee really feels like he can flip scum and be teammates with like 3 people its wild

Alisae · Sun Mar 21, 2021 6:14 pm

Norwee can be scum with Skitter
Norwee can be scum with Fark
Norwee can be scum with day

Alisae · Sun Mar 21, 2021 6:15 pm

He's also extremely likely to be scum too

Alisae · Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:47 pm

In post 4729, Chara wrote:meaning i understand why Ali would prefer to flip Farkran here even if e thinks Luca's point has some potential, but it feels like e is lining up a path to more miselims.

okay then you can vote me if Farkran flips town

Alisae · Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:48 pm

If by your logic I'm scum and Fark is town, then Fark flipping town should prove that, therefore you have nothing to lose if you vote fark.
If he flips town, you get more ammo against me
if he flips scum, then you're wrong, I'm right, and we live happy

Alisae · Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:55 pm

prove it

Alisae · Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:31 am

Ya this is a really interesting day

Alisae · Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:34 am

Skitter, Mena, Lucy, SS
Day, Fark, Norwee, Ydrasse, Chara, Luca

Alisae · Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:35 am

I can solve this

Alisae · Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:41 am

Ya no fuck it.
I'm a day 3 IC

Alisae · Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:42 am

It's literally just fark guys :/

Alisae · Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:44 am

In post 4829, Day wrote:Seriously?

Yes it's just fark.
None of the events in this day make sense otherwise.
no way I'm the counterwagon to a town!Fark
absolutely no way, I'll take the L if I am.

Alisae · Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:48 am

Like Skitter has no reason to align herself with me and vote Fark and if that's actually doing, we need to flip Fark anyways to get that far.
Why would Lucy be voting with Skitter if they're supposedly not aligned.
Mena is definitely not aligned with Fark but Mena would be voting me if he was scum here
SS' actions I can't read into but the 3 above voters for Fark don't make sense to be scum.

It makes sense for Fark to be scum.
It makes sense for Norwee to be scum.
I want to think Day is just trying to sort me and they're not aligned based on Fark's actions but I'm not sure.
I kind of want to think Chara is trying to sort this through but I'm not sure and I feel like if they're scum they vote me way way sooner but I'm not sure.
Ydra even feels kinda agenda based and I'm not sure why she's voting me which is making me question my own ability to read her? Actually I should take a look at this

Alisae · Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:48 am

In post 4839, Day wrote:How much am I scumsiding this game?

It's okay just vote Fark

Alisae · Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:48 am

Like literally nothing this day phase makes sense if Fark and Norwee are town. It honestly feels impossible for them to be town.

Alisae · Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:52 am

In post 4847, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 4843, Alisae wrote:Like literally nothing this day phase makes sense if Fark and Norwee are town. It honestly feels impossible for them to be town.
Maybe Skitter is just scum?

You even said earlier that my case against her has value if Farkran is town

Then flip Fark.
I'm never voting Skitter w/o a Fark flip

Alisae · Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:53 am

if ur right on Skitter being scum then Fark always flips town but if Fark was town then there wouldn't be a need to counterwagon me.

Alisae · Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:55 am

In post 4855, Day wrote:
In post 4853, Alisae wrote:if ur right on Skitter being scum then Fark always flips town but if Fark was town then there wouldn't be a need to counterwagon me.
I mean the counterwagon is my doing basically since I asked Fark and Norwee to join me, I don't know if that says a lot on Fark's alignment

Oh ya why wouldn't Fark and Norwee want to save their teammate by voting me

Alisae · Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:56 am

Fark was introduced as a wagon and I'm the counterwagon that got more popularity.

Alisae · Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:57 am

This is basic wagonomics.

Alisae · Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:57 am

In post 4860, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 4856, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 4836, Luca Blight wrote:There are way too many players pandering to the line that Skitter wouldn’t NK Pooky, and you’re one who I’d expect to see through the BS

And you did see through the Bs originally, but have allowed yourself to be sucked back into it because Menalque said so. I get this is a team game but that seems possibly scum motivated to me, as it feels more an act of convenience or politics than of genuine game-solving.
There aren't that many people arguing it, it seems to me? It's mostly just skitter and Menalque?

And like, it's not that I necessarily trust them completely. It's just that, between Fark and skitter, skitter has this going for her, and Fark doesn't really have anything going for him.
You said something D1 about Farkran making it hard for himself if he’s scum with his stances, which I agreed with. Doesn’t that count?

His recent posts have been townie imo as well

ofc Fark's post is going to be townie, he's not garbage at the game.

Alisae · Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:58 am

I just need 1 more day phase guys

Alisae · Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:59 am

In post 4866, Day wrote:
In post 4864, Alisae wrote:I just need 1 more day phase guys
Can you clarify if you're actually claiming day 3 IC or not?

Do you think I'm lieing?

Alisae · Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:00 am

Based off of what?
Your own pride and refusal to believe that your read is wrong?

Alisae · Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:01 am

or is it experience?
Because if it's experience then you shouldn't be voting me in the first place

Alisae · Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:03 am

In post 4873, Day wrote:You haven't responded to any of the people asking if it's for real. It feels like you're being intentionally vague in confirming or denying it after the initial claim.

I can see you lying as town if you're that confident in Fark being scum.

Why would anyone claim if they're just going to be gaslighted about it being real or not?
Like what's the point in the action

Alisae · Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:04 am

Day just who are you

Alisae · Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:06 am

In post 4879, Ydrasse wrote:ali, why not just say yes or no?

like clearly if you don’t pop it tomorrow/it doesn’t work then you get elimmed but we can’t ~gaslight~ you about it?

Because why is someone questioning if something is a lie when it's very clearly written

Alisae · Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:06 am

Also Ydra why did you even vote me in the first place?

Alisae · Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:08 am

In post 4884, skitter30 wrote:Ali if this is serious and you're not an ic tomorrow we probablh flip you

If Fark flips town that's fine.

Alisae · Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:08 am

as long as I get to play

Alisae · Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:09 am

In post 4887, Ydrasse wrote:because people just want it laid out plainly and you’re being evasive about it?

how does the post where I claimed something not do that?

Alisae · Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:09 am

In post 4889, Ydrasse wrote:
In post 4885, Alisae wrote:
In post 4884, skitter30 wrote:Ali if this is serious and you're not an ic tomorrow we probablh flip you
If Fark flips town that's fine.
but ... why would we flip you tomorrow regardless of farkran if you’re... an ic?

Alisae · Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:11 am

In post 4827, Alisae wrote:Ya no fuck it.
I'm a day 3 IC

Like how does this post not lay it out plainly?
Sure, I'm lying, I'm just a vanilla and I need to push this through, but how does this not lay it out plainly?

Alisae · Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:12 am

This is useful for me anyways
what alignment is going to stop at a halt and unvote right away
what alignment is going to question someone to try to make them verify if they're lying or not even if the post writes it out as clear as day and not the poster

Alisae · Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:14 am

idunno it feels impossible to get 1 more vote onto Fark and that makes me think 2-3 scum on my wagon, the votes that did move are probably the villager ones which means the last one is Chara?

Alisae · Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:14 am

Like all of the votes on Fark feel like Villager votes man

Alisae · Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:14 am

Like all of the votes on Fark feel like Villager votes man

Alisae · Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:15 am

I'm not a day 3 ic. I lied

Alisae · Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:15 am

ig i just hate lying ig and can't commit to it
/shrug

Alisae · Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:17 am

In post 4909, Day wrote:
In post 4901, Luca Blight wrote:Day, if you think Skitter and Farkran are both Town then the game is fucked fypov

Who do you propose we lim instead?
Is it?

Why can't it be something like 3 in Alisae, Chara, Something_Smart, LegoLucy?

BECAUSE I'M A FUCKING VILLAGER AND UR JUST WRONG