Open 808: The Council Has Spoken

[Battle Mage]

Why are you town reading each other

I covered Artemiana above. I'm pretty neutral on T-Bone. I think all T-Bone's takes so far have been about right, but not sure that's AI.

[Battle Mage]

So far Enchant, Almost, BM, Yes town.
Arte prob town.
Tbone worries me a bit.

Raya prob town as well

So scum are in:
Nono, TBone
lol i have town read everyone else
game solved then!

I liked this at first as your townreads seemed like pretty hot takes, and then it sort of fell away when you seemed to panic that you'd town-read almost all the players. Pretty skeptical the team is Nono-T-Bone

[Raya36]

Artemiana is part gut read part something I cannot explain. BM is convenience for me. He hasn't done anything scummy (nor have most players at this point). I'm pretty strong on Artemiana, I could take or leave most of the playerlist as my 3rd councilmember.

Who wouldn't you take from the playerlist then?

[Raya36]

A little suspicious of this council group this is being voted for by exactly its 3 members: Battle Mage, T-Bone, Artemiana

Is that suspicious? per the votecount, there is only one player voting for a council which doesn't include themselves. And yet clearly there is a need for consensus to actually select a council. So I suppose that clustering is exactly what I'd expect to happen in this setup.

Maybe suspicious isn't quite the right word but it seems weird that this early in the game there is already a group of 3 voting each other.

[Battle Mage]

if Mozamis was town, they would think I could potentially be scum.

VOTE: mozamis

You've got this wrong. I was saying that you couldnt possibly know whether T-Bone was town at that point. I wasn't talking about you.

I think it's you who doesn't understand where he's coming from.

Fact:

If

BM is Scum he

would

know T-Bone's alignment already. That's a given.

Fact: You said he couldn't possibly know.

My interpretation: You spoke too fast, hence the "think again" comment

BM's angle: You slipped as BM not knowing T-Bone's alignment necessitates that BM is Town, thus BM thinks you already know he's Town

My comment (which I kept to myself): That's a bit stretching it. Generalizations and short-sighted comments do happen from Town aligned players too. I mean, it's NAI at best. As Scum you would not be slipping if you said that; because Town you would have all the same.

In other words, of Town you would say it, Scum you said it trying to mimic Town you, so it's NAI

in my book.

My read on you -

aside from that

- is Town.

End of chapter. Cut. Go to commercials.

I think the correct answer is somewhere in the middle. It's definitely not impossible that Mozzy said it by mistake as town. But it is more likely to be a scum slip (accidentally revealing someone as town) than a town mistake (forgetting that scum know who town is), so I don't think it's NAI - it's scum indicative and you can debate the strength of it. It's not clear why you assume Mozamis-town would definitely say that.

In green, you seem to be arguing from a starting point that the potential scumslip is a towntell, and eventually concluding it is NAI. Which is the opposite angle to the one I was taking. Can you explain that approach?

In blue, why do you use the qualifier "aside from that"? To date, you'd only really talked about Mozamis as a townread, and your contention here is that the suggested slip was NAI, but the use of the qualifier implies you have some doubt. It's a bit strange tonally at the very least.

[Enchant]

If you don't want BM to be in Council then just don't vote him lol.

[Battle Mage]

A little suspicious of this council group this is being voted for by exactly its 3 members: Battle Mage, T-Bone, Artemiana

Is that suspicious? per the votecount, there is only one player voting for a council which doesn't include themselves. And yet clearly there is a need for consensus to actually select a council. So I suppose that clustering is exactly what I'd expect to happen in this setup.

Maybe suspicious isn't quite the right word but it seems weird that this early in the game there is already a group of 3 voting each other.

eh i don't think it's weird given it's 3 people all voting for the option which appears to give them the best chance of being in the council (and it's still pretty early!). I think it's more weird that Almost50 is not voting a council including themselves, and a bunch of players aren't voting at all.

[Battle Mage]

If you don't want BM to be in Council then just don't vote him lol.

[Raya36]

Why are you town reading each other

I covered Artemiana above. I'm pretty neutral on T-Bone. I think all T-Bone's takes so far have been about right, but not sure that's AI.

It doesn't feel to me T-Bone has done anything significant that's worthy of a council vote. I don't see the Artemiana explanation?

[Raya36]

If you don't want BM to be in Council then just don't vote him lol.

Is this meant for me? I still want BM in the council

[Battle Mage]

Why are you town reading each other

I covered Artemiana above. I'm pretty neutral on T-Bone. I think all T-Bone's takes so far have been about right, but not sure that's AI.

It doesn't feel to me T-Bone has done anything significant that's worthy of a council vote. I don't see the Artemiana explanation?

Ah yeah it wasn't really an explanation - I just said I'm townreading them. It's essentially gut and stuff I can't comment on yet.

[Raya36]

A little suspicious of this council group this is being voted for by exactly its 3 members: Battle Mage, T-Bone, Artemiana

Is that suspicious? per the votecount, there is only one player voting for a council which doesn't include themselves. And yet clearly there is a need for consensus to actually select a council. So I suppose that clustering is exactly what I'd expect to happen in this setup.

Maybe suspicious isn't quite the right word but it seems weird that this early in the game there is already a group of 3 voting each other.

eh i don't think it's weird given it's 3 people all voting for the option which appears to give them the best chance of being in the council (and it's still pretty early!). I think it's more weird that Almost50 is not voting a council including themselves, and a bunch of players aren't voting at all.

Maybe I'm thinking of it too much like a townblock. I do agree that A50's council vote is odd.

[Battle Mage]

My hero-solve is Almost50-Yessirree. Some of their cutesy interactions so far have been a bit odd (although perhaps they know each other personally?), and independently they've both left something to be desired.

Do an ISO of Yessiree and let me know what you think?

[Raya36]

Why are you town reading each other

I covered Artemiana above. I'm pretty neutral on T-Bone. I think all T-Bone's takes so far have been about right, but not sure that's AI.

It doesn't feel to me T-Bone has done anything significant that's worthy of a council vote. I don't see the Artemiana explanation?

Ah yeah it wasn't really an explanation - I just said I'm townreading them. It's essentially gut and stuff I can't comment on yet.

What are your thoughts on Artemiana's take on the potential scumslip you pointed out earlier?

[Battle Mage]

if we're just picking 1 person, can we have a veto of players we definitely don't want in the council?

[Raya36]

My hero-solve is Almost50-Yessirree. Some of their cutesy interactions so far have been a bit odd (although perhaps they know each other personally?), and independently they've both left something to be desired.

Do an ISO of Yessiree and let me know what you think?

There's 0 content that isn't mechanics

[Enchant]

if we're just picking 1 person, can we have a veto of players we definitely don't want in the council?

Yes. And who you suggest to Veto?

[Battle Mage]

Yessiree has been hesitant to cast a single vote so far - either to elim or for council, but has been more vocally nervous about the council votes.

Spoiler:

why are people healing already?

The real question is why aren't you healing already?

No heal, only hurt

I'm solidly in the no-rush-in-choosing-council camp, yes-yes.

And if you think-know you're better than me, we will see-see.

why are people voting to heal, surely they cant have any idea of who town is yet?

i just picked what i thought would make a good council. I'm secretly a bit of a T-Bone fan, and I feel like between us we can get a good read on Artemiana.

also I think we have to vote the council before we elim someone, so it probably is slightly a case of getting it done earlier? Otherwise scum/idiot town can hammer a wagon and we get no council.

do quick elims happen that often?

and having a scum on the council nullifies its utility, so there is no point in rushing it

Some awkward 'jokes' with A50:

Spoiler:

HEAL: Battle Mage, T-Bone, Artemiana

VOTE: yessiree

HEAL: Battle Mage, T-Bone, Artemiana

Three possibilities here:

1- Both a re Scum
2- Both are Town
3- One of them is Scum & 1 is Town

TAKE NOTE OF MY WISDOM. I'm the next guru (no offense intended @Yessiree)

I can't believe you've done this. I'm extremely mad-mad.

Wait, what am I supposed to be offended about again?

I guess no point healing until we figure out who are strongest town reads are?

This and T-Bone's opening are Town posts.

HEAL: Mozamis, T-Bone, Almost50

@Mod: Would you accept a string that is NOT the exact username if it definitely identifies that player?

(Ex: Over50)

So almost50 is a lie

Can never trust a boomer these days

Notwithstanding the earlier disagreement with the principle of heal votes, Yessiree claims to support voting for one council member, and criticising not healing yourself - whilst not healing themselves. It feels a bit like confidence growing at this point, but still not confident to throw any names out there. Motive is questionnable - does scum want to avoid alienating people by not including them in a council list, or are they incentivised to win allies by including them in a council list? I guess it could go either way, and the key is to look for a consistent narrative in that respect.

Spoiler:

HEAL: BM

I also wouldn't mind

HEAL: Mozamis
And maybe HEAL: Raya

why wouldn't you heal yourself

I do agree with Enchant's plan to appoint one council member first, on the simple basis that voting one person is more feasible than voting a three-member combination all at once

as for how the remaining 2 are chosen, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it

[Battle Mage]

it feels like scum probably have more thinking to do about the council strategy - there's a big benefit to them or their partners being in there, so it's more of a political game - which might encourage more caution.

[Enchant]

I though about Council for a bit and have feeling, it's not so usefull overall.

I don't want to give mafia tips, so i will tell this when this become issue.

[Raya36]

Why are you town reading each other

I covered Artemiana above. I'm pretty neutral on T-Bone. I think all T-Bone's takes so far have been about right, but not sure that's AI.

It doesn't feel to me T-Bone has done anything significant that's worthy of a council vote. I don't see the Artemiana explanation?

Ah yeah it wasn't really an explanation - I just said I'm townreading them. It's essentially gut and stuff I can't comment on yet.

What are your thoughts on Artemiana's take on the potential scumslip you pointed out earlier?

[Artemiana]

HEAL: BM, mozamis, Raya

I decidedly don't like Tbone, enchant, or yessiree

[Enchant]

I hate you too, thx.

[Raya36]

You're that confident what mozamis said wasn't a slip that you're willing to put them in the council?

[Artemiana]

Actually

HEAL: Raya, nono, BM

I'm down for this and at some point someone's gotta sacrifice to get w council hammer