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In post 197, Raya36 wrote:Why are you town reading each other

I covered Artemiana above. I'm pretty neutral on T-Bone. I think all T-Bone's takes so far have been about right, but not sure that's AI.

In post 171, mozamis wrote:So far Enchant, Almost, BM, Yes town.
Arte prob town.
Tbone worries me a bit.

In post 172, mozamis wrote:Raya prob town as well

In post 173, mozamis wrote:So scum are in:
Nono, TBone
lol i have town read everyone else
game solved then!

I liked this at first as your townreads seemed like pretty hot takes, and then it sort of fell away when you seemed to panic that you'd town-read almost all the players. Pretty skeptical the team is Nono-T-Bone

In post 198, T-Bone wrote:Artemiana is part gut read part something I cannot explain. BM is convenience for me. He hasn't done anything scummy (nor have most players at this point). I'm pretty strong on Artemiana, I could take or leave most of the playerlist as my 3rd councilmember.

Who wouldn't you take from the playerlist then?

In post 199, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 196, Raya36 wrote:A little suspicious of this council group this is being voted for by exactly its 3 members: Battle Mage, T-Bone, Artemiana

Is that suspicious? per the votecount, there is only one player voting for a council which doesn't include themselves. And yet clearly there is a need for consensus to actually select a council. So I suppose that clustering is exactly what I'd expect to happen in this setup.

Maybe suspicious isn't quite the right word but it seems weird that this early in the game there is already a group of 3 voting each other.

In post 179, Almost50 wrote:

In post 139, mozamis wrote:

In post 69, Battle Mage wrote:if Mozamis was town, they would think I could potentially be scum.

VOTE: mozamis

You've got this wrong. I was saying that you couldnt possibly know whether T-Bone was town at that point. I wasn't talking about you.

I think it's you who doesn't understand where he's coming from.

Fact:

If

BM is Scum he

would

know T-Bone's alignment already. That's a given.

Fact: You said he couldn't possibly know.

My interpretation: You spoke too fast, hence the "think again" comment

BM's angle: You slipped as BM not knowing T-Bone's alignment necessitates that BM is Town, thus BM thinks you already know he's Town

My comment (which I kept to myself): That's a bit stretching it. Generalizations and short-sighted comments do happen from Town aligned players too. I mean, it's NAI at best. As Scum you would not be slipping if you said that; because Town you would have all the same.

In other words, of Town you would say it, Scum you said it trying to mimic Town you, so it's NAI

in my book.

My read on you -

aside from that

- is Town.

End of chapter. Cut. Go to commercials.

I think the correct answer is somewhere in the middle. It's definitely not impossible that Mozzy said it by mistake as town. But it is more likely to be a scum slip (accidentally revealing someone as town) than a town mistake (forgetting that scum know who town is), so I don't think it's NAI - it's scum indicative and you can debate the strength of it. It's not clear why you assume Mozamis-town would definitely say that.

In green, you seem to be arguing from a starting point that the potential scumslip is a towntell, and eventually concluding it is NAI. Which is the opposite angle to the one I was taking. Can you explain that approach?

In blue, why do you use the qualifier "aside from that"? To date, you'd only really talked about Mozamis as a townread, and your contention here is that the suggested slip was NAI, but the use of the qualifier implies you have some doubt. It's a bit strange tonally at the very least.

If you don't want BM to be in Council then just don't vote him lol.

In post 203, Raya36 wrote:

In post 199, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 196, Raya36 wrote:A little suspicious of this council group this is being voted for by exactly its 3 members: Battle Mage, T-Bone, Artemiana

Is that suspicious? per the votecount, there is only one player voting for a council which doesn't include themselves. And yet clearly there is a need for consensus to actually select a council. So I suppose that clustering is exactly what I'd expect to happen in this setup.

Maybe suspicious isn't quite the right word but it seems weird that this early in the game there is already a group of 3 voting each other.

eh i don't think it's weird given it's 3 people all voting for the option which appears to give them the best chance of being in the council (and it's still pretty early!). I think it's more weird that Almost50 is not voting a council including themselves, and a bunch of players aren't voting at all.

In post 205, Enchant wrote:If you don't want BM to be in Council then just don't vote him lol.

In post 200, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 197, Raya36 wrote:Why are you town reading each other

I covered Artemiana above. I'm pretty neutral on T-Bone. I think all T-Bone's takes so far have been about right, but not sure that's AI.

It doesn't feel to me T-Bone has done anything significant that's worthy of a council vote. I don't see the Artemiana explanation?

In post 205, Enchant wrote:If you don't want BM to be in Council then just don't vote him lol.

Is this meant for me? I still want BM in the council

In post 208, Raya36 wrote:

In post 200, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 197, Raya36 wrote:Why are you town reading each other

I covered Artemiana above. I'm pretty neutral on T-Bone. I think all T-Bone's takes so far have been about right, but not sure that's AI.

It doesn't feel to me T-Bone has done anything significant that's worthy of a council vote. I don't see the Artemiana explanation?

Ah yeah it wasn't really an explanation - I just said I'm townreading them. It's essentially gut and stuff I can't comment on yet.

In post 206, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 203, Raya36 wrote:

In post 199, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 196, Raya36 wrote:A little suspicious of this council group this is being voted for by exactly its 3 members: Battle Mage, T-Bone, Artemiana

Is that suspicious? per the votecount, there is only one player voting for a council which doesn't include themselves. And yet clearly there is a need for consensus to actually select a council. So I suppose that clustering is exactly what I'd expect to happen in this setup.

Maybe suspicious isn't quite the right word but it seems weird that this early in the game there is already a group of 3 voting each other.

eh i don't think it's weird given it's 3 people all voting for the option which appears to give them the best chance of being in the council (and it's still pretty early!). I think it's more weird that Almost50 is not voting a council including themselves, and a bunch of players aren't voting at all.

Maybe I'm thinking of it too much like a townblock. I do agree that A50's council vote is odd.

My hero-solve is Almost50-Yessirree. Some of their cutesy interactions so far have been a bit odd (although perhaps they know each other personally?), and independently they've both left something to be desired.

Do an ISO of Yessiree and let me know what you think?

In post 210, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 208, Raya36 wrote:

In post 200, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 197, Raya36 wrote:Why are you town reading each other

I covered Artemiana above. I'm pretty neutral on T-Bone. I think all T-Bone's takes so far have been about right, but not sure that's AI.

It doesn't feel to me T-Bone has done anything significant that's worthy of a council vote. I don't see the Artemiana explanation?

Ah yeah it wasn't really an explanation - I just said I'm townreading them. It's essentially gut and stuff I can't comment on yet.

What are your thoughts on Artemiana's take on the potential scumslip you pointed out earlier?

if we're just picking 1 person, can we have a veto of players we definitely don't want in the council?

In post 212, Battle Mage wrote:My hero-solve is Almost50-Yessirree. Some of their cutesy interactions so far have been a bit odd (although perhaps they know each other personally?), and independently they've both left something to be desired.

Do an ISO of Yessiree and let me know what you think?

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In post 214, Battle Mage wrote:if we're just picking 1 person, can we have a veto of players we definitely don't want in the council?

Yes. And who you suggest to Veto?

Yessiree has been hesitant to cast a single vote so far - either to elim or for council, but has been more vocally nervous about the council votes.



Some awkward 'jokes' with A50:


Notwithstanding the earlier disagreement with the principle of heal votes, Yessiree claims to support voting for one council member, and criticising not healing yourself - whilst not healing themselves. It feels a bit like confidence growing at this point, but still not confident to throw any names out there. Motive is questionnable - does scum want to avoid alienating people by not including them in a council list, or are they incentivised to win allies by including them in a council list? I guess it could go either way, and the key is to look for a consistent narrative in that respect.

it feels like scum probably have more thinking to do about the council strategy - there's a big benefit to them or their partners being in there, so it's more of a political game - which might encourage more caution.

I though about Council for a bit and have feeling, it's not so usefull overall.

I don't want to give mafia tips, so i will tell this when this become issue.

In post 213, Raya36 wrote:

In post 210, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 208, Raya36 wrote:

In post 200, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 197, Raya36 wrote:Why are you town reading each other

I covered Artemiana above. I'm pretty neutral on T-Bone. I think all T-Bone's takes so far have been about right, but not sure that's AI.

It doesn't feel to me T-Bone has done anything significant that's worthy of a council vote. I don't see the Artemiana explanation?

Ah yeah it wasn't really an explanation - I just said I'm townreading them. It's essentially gut and stuff I can't comment on yet.

What are your thoughts on Artemiana's take on the potential scumslip you pointed out earlier?

HEAL: BM, mozamis, Raya

I decidedly don't like Tbone, enchant, or yessiree

I hate you too, thx.

You're that confident what mozamis said wasn't a slip that you're willing to put them in the council?

Actually

HEAL: Raya, nono, BM

I'm down for this and at some point someone's gotta sacrifice to get w council hammer