Mini 2206 - Deja Vu: Perpetual MELO IV - END!

[SirCakez]

Bulge I want to kill one of nachos scumreads today

I’m not really super picky

What do you think about mena

this interaction seems so fake given that notsci never actually moved off Bulge

I mean yeah

But you’re kidding yourself if you think scum me has the stones to funnel ducking nacho lmao

he keeps bringing up this argument that he "wouldn't have played this way as scum"
but I'm not buying it

I’ll vote either and am following Bork

But unsubstantiated shade on both of the wagons while not suggesting an alternative is lolsy

total trash

[SirCakez]

the notsci interaction with Bulge excuse just doesn't read cognitively given that notsci kept his vote there the whole time
like he was planning to use it as an excuse later

[SirCakez]

Kismet why is notsci town?

[SirCakez]

rn I'm just trying to decide who has higher scum equity between notsci and Iverson

[SirCakez]

Bulge was also in nachos scumreads

I wouldn't. You literally just played with me as scum and if you can't spot the tonal differences in my play than all the times you've seen me as town then you are beyond help lmao

And your play yesterday was bad. Mine was bad as well. But I stand by what I said.

I hate when people do this to me in general
the "you've played with me enough that you should know how to read me" line
Nacho pulled it too

[SirCakez]

rn I'm just trying to decide who has higher scum equity between notsci and Iverson

I am not unvoting you at any point so might as well let scum blitz it if I am wrong.

Iverson/Prism is nearing the point of open wolfing

[SirCakez]

"nearing" I literally openly blitzed a town player but saying I won't unvote a scumread is what does it for you?

do you want to die?

[SirCakez]

"nearing" I literally openly blitzed a town player but saying I won't unvote a scumread is what does it for you?

do you want to die?

Yeah, that's why I fled overnight.

you're basically begging me to vote you

[SirCakez]

I still think there's a high probability DC and prism scumblitzed bulge

definitely

[SirCakez]

VOTE: iverson ok

[SirCakez]

maybe he's sacrificing himself so they can get rid of an obvtown like Kismet?

[SirCakez]

what do you want dude

[SirCakez]

okay then I'm not sure why you're trying to dialogue with me

[SirCakez]

You are not this bad

[SirCakez]

I don't think we need to assume anything to call the Bulge wagon scum pushed

[SirCakez]

Oh yeah Salsa spent a lot of time on DC day 1 but never sealed the deal

[SirCakez]

me too

[SirCakez]

i feel like i'd be happier right now if we only had town flips right now at least I wouldn't have the missed Peta and NM scum elims staring at me LMAO

[SirCakez]

I've never seen this suicidal defeatist shit from Prism before and it's totally baffling

[SirCakez]

is now pushing against anyone who eas on the NM wagon despite having scum read me for the past two days?

??????????????

[SirCakez]

i've fallen for the not maf policy yeet too many times

I stg if we have to have another conversation about policy limming and why it’s worth it I will put my face through my desk given the context

-Mena

this post just doesn't make anry sense as town. why is he so opposed to this conversation? it's not like the thread was getting blown up
the "put my face through desk" comment seems like a huge exaggeration

I have one tentative TR so fsr

he has no development of reads as stated

I'm not confident notsci is town, should I be?

Notsci is my one TR lol

-Mena

and notsci? doesn't make any sense

I wasn’t pissed at you I was just a bit frustrated that EVERYONE was shooting it down

bc I have no baseline or any idea of who it is and that inherently makes me slightly +sus unless it’s hectic (which it apparently isn’t)

I’m not SRing them, I just feel uneasy with the slot

-Mena

uneasy but not SRing is such a cop-out

I just really hate the posting around NM and notsci

@cakes

I already made my stance on N_M clear

actually I went through your ISO and couldn’t find any “clear stance” about NM whatsoever. I’m surprised you haven’t mentioned that NM is usually town when he’s being wagoned, like in panic room. That makes me think you’re trying not to lean too hard one way or the other on an NM wagon in case it does actually go through.

re: opinion on Nacho, like I said I don’t understand how someone comes to the conclusion that NM is the most valuable elim we can make D1. I don’t buy that this is a genuine town thought process from nacho. I think it’s more likely that nacho is trying to sacrifice a buddy to an elim so that he gets to direct an NK than scum!nacho trying to miselim the LHF town!NM so that he can sacrifice someone on his team who is presumably more valuable to his team than NM is to town. why ever go after such LHF like that when you have to sacrifice a partner for it? ergo, scumbuddies.

- lilith

you're literally ignoring me, so you can stop pretending that you're trying to read me whatsoever. "waiting on Lilith to give town pings" okay well how exactly are you doing that if you're not even reading my posts, and in particular the parts of those posts that are addressed to you?

- lilith

I missed this post somehow, I always address things aimed at me.
The meta that I had where NM is town if he is being wagoned has been proven not true so I don't use that anymore.

i've fallen for the not maf policy yeet too many times

I guess this was not clear enough but I have 0 interest in elimming NM today.

Cakes NM stances D1.

Yesterday he kept saying that scum is probably bussing NM and used that as a reason to push me so i dont unerstand why hes suddenly (were only hunting on thebulger wagon

what's your point here? yeah NM didn't look scummy day 1 and I didn't want to policy him

[SirCakez]

i think i'm circling back to DC!scum

[SirCakez]

not related to posts on this page but I find others townier I think

[SirCakez]

DC being baffled people are SRing them seems so fake

[SirCakez]

NACHO WAS RIGHT

[SirCakez]

I'm reading/taking notes at a pace of 10 minutes/page so this is going to be a time.

NACHO WAS RIGHT

Anything else you've been thinking about the last 48 hours?

mostly how much shit I've been buried in irl
maf not the priority rn

(I think it is very obvious that Cakez is not thinking about the game other than for exactly the 10 minutes where he opens the page)

I have a lot going on dude
This is not wrong
I only have so many brain cells to divert across school, modding and playing

[SirCakez]

I'm not gonna comment on Iverson's continual poking of my opening today because it's just bait and he doesn't care about what I'll say anyways

[SirCakez]

ok I will bite on this
Iverson who are my scum buddies?

[SirCakez]

I don't have the time to reread and frankly I don't think it will change my feelings on anything even if I did do it

[SirCakez]

It's just hard to be enthusiastic about this game when two SRs I was correct on both slipped out

[SirCakez]

Prism if you're town here you are misunderstanding how I play mafia to an extraordinary degree

[SirCakez]

ok I will bite on this
Iverson who are my scum buddies?

I don't really think of the game this way (doing preflip associatives) and am on record for it, but I've been pretty clear that my spitball is DC/you/Momrangal and while you go aggressive early on DC I didn't see it was exclusively TvS.

While I am willing to gladiate, I will gladly help you run up my scum partners if you agree on them.

I have nothing to comment on bait or playstyle. I think hipfire reactions are playstyle NAI but do not think the disconnect wrt blitzing or complete lack of cognition outside of the thread is. If I am wrong, which I am like clockwork, that is okay, and I do not regret shooting my shot.

We agree on DC and I could be open to Mom; want to work together on them? Rather then this pointless gladiation demand that is just going nowhere from both of us.

[SirCakez]

Like rn I'm finding hard to call Iverson's play scummy because he's actually trying unlike other slots and I feel like scum would be happy to let town implode here

[SirCakez]

I would really encourage reviewing my notes PT in Iceland. My scumplay is very intentional but restrained in scope, not putting as much value on being the specific person to win, and certainly not randomly targeted, spray and pray aggression.

This doesn't mean anything because you've acknowledged you are actively altering your playstyle this game

oh god you are actually bothering to try and partner hunt for me you sad sad soul

the game is over but if i'm scum you're dead at night just let the ship sail gently into the night, rest my child

updating my myspace status to lachrymose

this kind of posting is just wack. and not in a good way. it's like a AtE to Kismet.

what about a notsci/DC/iverson team?

[SirCakez]

i've never had an interaction w/ anyone quite like this one and i don't know what to make of it

this is how I felt LMAO

DC has been mostly pinpoint on L&G (scum), NM (scum), and Mara (who you also think is scum) and Mena has been pretty ok to me since early D1.

You were on Iverson but swapped off him for 2779 and I don't get what you saw there (and you even made 2782 later)

they were accurate on NM but they sat on a Bulge vote for a long time which I think is scum evidence

would be fucking ballsy for noddy to have made that arrangement w/ mena to go after NM w/ that first wagon as it was and then to go after cakez. Like it has scum motivation to do if cakez is town (maybe even if he's scum) but man I feel scum noddy just fucking hardbusses there and licks his wounds.

This is what I thought all day 2, that NM was getting bussed. Then scum probably saw the opportunity with the Bulge wagon and took it, knowing they could just throw NM out at night and not have to worry about repercussions
Thus Iverson's rapid-ass hammer

Salsa also pushed on DC a lot day 1 but didn't really go through with it? They ended up on Nacho day 1.

[SirCakez]

yeah if Kismet or VFT are scum this game is just over. I don't see any world where I vote one of them before the pool of (iverson, dc, notsci, mom, infi)

[SirCakez]

Who is that aimed at?

[SirCakez]

Because you aren't doing anything while Prism is?

[SirCakez]

You

VOTE: DC

I’m going to vote at the person half the game is scumreading and nobody is voting because that seems to be how scum has snuck out the last two days

This is a great point I think I'll bite

VOTE: disaster cartel

[SirCakez]

Like Cakez you didn’t even make the argument prism could be distracting so DC wouldn’t be the focus

Like I would have 100% been like yeah sure that’s plausible

So like lmao

It didn't come to mind so why would I make it?
Now that you mention it i suppose it's possible

[SirCakez]

how is it opportunistic when I've had you in my scumreads the entire day and have more than once expressed an interest in wagoning you

[SirCakez]

notsci is the most likely to be town of my top three scumspects
also people have been into hammer range already and it seems like scum are not interested in qh

[SirCakez]

aren't you also meant to be thinking that Iverson is scum?

I didn't do the math on it

[SirCakez]

i will be so, so, *so* annoyed if we lose here because you lot decided to vote out someone i'm strongly townreading

i just feel the need to say that

and i'm not so sure i scumread prism anymore >.>

~ skitter

who is this in reference to?

It does kinda feel like scum are waiting to quickhammer here, not really sure what that means about the gamestate.

not feeling this at all?

[SirCakez]

if DC gets qhed here then whatever this game was already lost at that point

[SirCakez]

Prism I am not dealing with you in a way that is throwing you away in my scum pile and positioning every future interaction w/ you as a way to get your partners. I feel like that should be obvious from my demeanor, but if I need to unvote to get you to get past that, then I am willing to. If you're town you're a huge asset to me.

The issue here is that while I am willing to play on as town, I am not willing to be led on for days at a time. When you make a second vote in this day, you are prepared for it to be blitzed. I'm okay with that.

I'm not as enthused about the idea of spending 40 hours on the game this week just in the hopes that you don't vote me. I'm not going to do it. You get an hour a day. I encouraged you to think of things that could plausibly get you to unvote, because again I took this as a willingness to call it rather than spinelessly begging me to burn a week of my life and emotional energy hoping that you grant mercy. I'm glad you unvoted but I wanted to be very clear about what exactly you should be expecting from me at this point in the game.

ie. If you are 90%+ sure you're going to vote me, stop wasting all of our time and do it. I can give what I owe the other players, and I can put the game down if we want, but I'm not burning myself up like a candle so you can navelgaze.

As for you and VFT, I could spend days writing about how my thinking changed between these two points in time. I've already written that the way I was playing around VFT was obviously gamelosing and I needed to change. Even disregarding those, your position is wildly different as someone who is almost certainly town to me whereas I was actively scumreading VFT at the time, although later I was hoping to cement the gladiate (before again deciding to swap playstyle)

On another level, I am just uncomfortable with this game in its entirety, even without the time/energy concern.

I am firm in presenting my opinions but the only things personal about yesterday were in going through the motions of social niceties to at least lose graciously.

Instead we can't even get that much, it turned into some interpersonal drama of a nonexistent attack where you somehow thought a short speech about how valuable I was and how you weren't throwing me away in the scum pile (and therefore I should try hard for your sake). The first part makes me extremely uncomfortable, I am just another player, I am tired of paying social niceties simply because the absence is read as something more vicious, and the second is a very visceral "fuck no" regardless of who the player is.

Fundamentally none of this was AI, none of this was personal, and I hate that I just spent 30 minutes disentangling it when I'd rather just leave it because it doesn't matter.

If I play onsite again it will not be under the name Prism.

i'm honestly feeling this is outside of scum range :/

[SirCakez]

which leads me to something like three of (DC, Mom, notsci, inf)

[SirCakez]

man I just don't have any hope we can hit scum three times in a row here

[SirCakez]

The one point for Mom is she wasn't on the awful Bulge wagon

[SirCakez]

@infinity, will you be around tomorrow to talk to me? i feel like this game is a lost cause atp but i want to try and hash out some things with you because i don’t... basically i feel like you’re imposing some feelings about how i should be playing / what you expect of me and weaponizing that if it makes sense, wrt the obvtown comments among other things, you’re the person i think i’d wanna vote today but my votes have kinda sucked recently so yeah(this is a very very shallow thought but i’m also falling asleep trying to write this and i meant to post earlier)

I don't feel this is a town post tonally
the dejection doesn't read genuine

[SirCakez]

notsci's total lack of presence and motivation today seems highly scum motivated

[SirCakez]

like I don't feel like notsci!town just sort of rolls over here like he has done today

[SirCakez]

I don't think it's that out of character for town-cakez to have sloppy progressions. I feel like at a certain point in the day if all your townreads want to go in a different direction from you most people just give in, and that felt like what 1305 was about.

This reminds me that I still hate Notsci begging me to vote Nacho, swearing that if Nacho flipped town he would sheep out day 2, then just outright not doing this and instead helping push Bulge!town through

[SirCakez]

Fair enough, I will actually do that meta check the

The logic of "notsci isn't here therefore scummy" I'm pretty skeptical of though.

why? it seems like he hasn't given a shit all day

[SirCakez]

meh my thing with you is you just don't have such strong associations with the nacho and bulge wagons

[SirCakez]

yes there has been -_-

[SirCakez]

not everyone who is being scummy rn is scum
I have to weigh who is worse

[SirCakez]

i don't know his meta that well
i'm not sure I understand your post
he is demotivated rn apparently, so if you're saying him not keeping up motivation is a sign of being scum, then I am on the right track no?

[SirCakez]

Given that Cakez's last two pages are super town I might have to revisit notscience, wack.

O.o
i wasn't expecting this

Heya i'm around for a bit but i dont have oodles of energy tonight

I think that this is the right thing to do here: VOTE: mom
I dont think she's town
I dont think anybody thinks she's town
I think she's just in everyone's scumpool but getting overlooked for whatever reason, and ime that's always the person i regret *not* flipping when i had the oppurtunity to do so

Heya prism, heya bork

~ skitter

I think I'm sliding towards DC and Mom definite scum, and then one of notsci and Inf
I like this post

I feel like scum are very complacent right now

[SirCakez]

also - DC has been sitting at two votes for a while now

so either
1) DC is scum
2) Iverson is scum
3) the scum team is just not trying for quickhammer

methinks it's 1

[SirCakez]

if we do hit scum today I assume we 're losing kismet overnight

I can honestly go for either but I actively scumread DC

Momrangal I am literally just assuming she is scum because everyone else has been extremely town meanwhile Momrangal has not posted for essentially two full gamedays (I think they had like, 3 posts of commentary yesterday) and did not have anything in the first 25 pages that I found memorable

But this seems scum-indicative because scum have a lot more motivation here to just let town self-destruct
meanwhile the town players here have been actively scum hunting

[SirCakez]

VFT feels extremely town from both heads and I won't entertain any sort of wagon there today
they are both far away from scum meta

[SirCakez]

yeah atm I don't see myself leaving DC today unless someone can present a really compelling case for someone else

[SirCakez]

hi me too

do you want anything from me? i have literally no motivation for this game atp but i'll try and claw us away from a loss if i can

- ydra

this post just reads sooooo scummily tonally
"im not motivated but I'll try to save us from a loss" like what??

Like I dont understand why people are keen to just not respond to me

I dont understand how cake goes from not wanting to touch NM at all D1 to tunneling the shit out of him D2

I've cased both of them, and even after the NM scum flip no one is willing to entertain my theory?

because your theory sucks

also - DC has been sitting at two votes for a while now

so either
1) DC is scum
2) Iverson is scum
3) the scum team is just not trying for quickhammer

methinks it's 1

If its mom not sure how likely s qh is to have happened

so then mom being scum is the third option
it also could be 1 + 3

[SirCakez]

VOTE: mom
my top two TRs want this so let's do it

[SirCakez]

mom’s entire iso is hot garbage - if by some sliver of a chance she’s town yall can yell at us postgame.

skitter’s convinced me on mena, we’re not voting there. unless you (read: infinity) think that exactly mom is town and DC is scum, your take on the situation feels very contrived.

- lilith

i concur
assuming mom scum here then I can definitely conceive it being inf and notsci as the last two

[SirCakez]

actually I have a really good gut feeling about this now

[SirCakez]

VFT is just not scum here

[SirCakez]

why such a strong objection to Mom Inf?

[SirCakez]

not gonna lie this is skeeving me out Infinity

[SirCakez]

its not just VFT tho Kismet agrees and kismet is very obviously town

[SirCakez]

its not just VFT tho Kismet agrees and kismet is very obviously town

So is prism though! DC is actually confirmed scum if prism is town fypov

not if mom is scum because scum probably just couldn't qh in that case

[SirCakez]

what if its like (dc/mom/notsci)

[SirCakez]

I was trying to say that from cakez's POV either prism or DC is scum because of quickhammers, but I guess he disagrees.

I think it's very important to vote with town too because if 2 town are voting wrong we lose anyway. We have to assume that most of the town are voting correctly.

i think there is some evidence that qh is not gonna happen here at least at two votes

I'm out of my scumrange

I hate comments like this
also I don't think it's true

My only hesitance here is I think VFT is probably wrong on DC, and today is the best chance of strongarming that vote through, but w/e

I think dead mom!scum will help us with DC though

[SirCakez]

the fact that Mom is not already hammered here makes me think we got one

[SirCakez]

Venus Fly Trap, Kismet, SirCakez, Iverson

i would not be shocked if this wagon is all town

[SirCakez]

yeah I think this looks like (dc, notsci, mom) right now

[SirCakez]

Ok, you've kinda forced my hand, I actually think bork is the last scum *gasp*

You don't have to believe me but I wanna say I called it

no way dude
i'd fucking bet like
a 10000 dollars that bork is town here

[SirCakez]

Ok, you've kinda forced my hand, I actually think bork is the last scum *gasp*

You don't have to believe me but I wanna say I called it

no way dude
i'd fucking bet like
a 10000 dollars that bork is town here

dudette* pardon me

[SirCakez]

I think notsci pushes you cakez rather than going towards DC but w/e

Until DC posts it's not confirmed

maybe but my suggested team makes 10000x more sense than anything else right now

[SirCakez]

notsci has literally only mentioned/talked to mom ONCE since day 1
atm I'm just working with the assumption of mom!scum

[SirCakez]

well Prism did a good job towning up with AtE and then decided to start TRing me leaving the pool for elim today as basically DC or Mom
not much notsci could have done

[SirCakez]

Hammer pls

[SirCakez]

I think it’s interesting today has gone from one person we were ignoring to another person we were ignoring

Who cares we have scum caught let's yeet and move on

[SirCakez]

Oh nooooooo

[SirCakez]

I don't even care at this point if Mom is town I'm exhausted with this game

[SirCakez]

Ugh this BLOWS infinity will have to hammer if my team theory is right

[SirCakez]

Do you think the wagon is all town

Yes

[SirCakez]

Inf or notsci for me today
That desperate push to not elim Mom and instead elim DC yesterday from Inf was TERRIBLE

[SirCakez]

I feel pretty confident first four votes on Mom were all town

[SirCakez]

Ninja-
Ehhhhhhhh

What does this mean

[SirCakez]

Kismet was the very obvious kill to make last night
I'm not really interested in kill WIFOM here

[SirCakez]

My “eh” means I find it really weird to say all scum are off wagon(in including myself as town bc role pm) especially considering skitters mena read, and how Mara was kinda obvious just Bork was kinda in the way there for a little bit

that's not what I said
I said the first four votes were all town..

[SirCakez]

i have to think about this
fine with inf/notsci 1v1 I think there's basically no way they are both town

[SirCakez]

I doubt this list is all town

this is a great point

[SirCakez]

I think infinity is close to just being confscum at this point and I think the bigger concern is that idk where the remaining scum is in (cakez, Iverson)

why can't inf and notsci both be scum

if I was scum I wouldn't have moved to Mom I would have stayed on Iverson or DC (assuming they are town)

[SirCakez]

I think when people claim they are out of a certain "scumrange" it's just totally irrelevant

[SirCakez]

we established that scum probably could not quickhammer yesterday because of Mom being absent and/or no day chat

[SirCakez]

for me its 2 of (notsci, inf, dc)

[SirCakez]

I think mena is only ever scum with skitter here Cakez.

i don't understand this

[SirCakez]

if Iverson is scum he deserves the win tbh

[SirCakez]

I think mena is only ever scum with skitter here Cakez.

i don't understand this

Skitter has been hard defending mena most of the game

What’s not to understand

yeah but why can't mena be scum with other people too? I can see a VFT-DC connection but that doesn't preclude DC from being scum with other people.

[SirCakez]

my fingers are twitching to vote infinity

[SirCakez]

I think her posts on this page seem really fake

[SirCakez]

like if Inf is town here why is she just rolling over and saying "oh no I guess we lose"
it doesn't make sense

[SirCakez]

I think mena is only ever scum with skitter here Cakez.

i don't understand this

Skitter has been hard defending mena most of the game

What’s not to understand

yeah but why can't mena be scum with other people too? I can see a VFT-DC connection but that doesn't preclude DC from being scum with other people.

who am I ever scum with other than like VFT or notsci

you could be bussing infinity here

[SirCakez]

I'm gonna pledge my vote to skitt for today, even if that vote is on myself.

yeah this makes NO FUCKING SENSE as town

[SirCakez]

like if Inf is town here why is she just rolling over and saying "oh no I guess we lose"
it doesn't make sense

Because everyone wants to vote me? Lol

this is just not true
i expressed openness more than once to voting notsci

[SirCakez]

cakez, talk to me about why Iverson is town

his posts yesterday were way too genuine at a certain point and I don't think Prism could have faked them

[SirCakez]

can you point me at which ones specifically?

bc again, what mostly Iverson's posting made my brain feel like it was mush yesterday and when I tried going back through some of his ISO earlier today my main reaction was just "wtf" more than anything else

Prism I am not dealing with you in a way that is throwing you away in my scum pile and positioning every future interaction w/ you as a way to get your partners. I feel like that should be obvious from my demeanor, but if I need to unvote to get you to get past that, then I am willing to. If you're town you're a huge asset to me.

The issue here is that while I am willing to play on as town, I am not willing to be led on for days at a time. When you make a second vote in this day, you are prepared for it to be blitzed. I'm okay with that.

I'm not as enthused about the idea of spending 40 hours on the game this week just in the hopes that you don't vote me. I'm not going to do it. You get an hour a day. I encouraged you to think of things that could plausibly get you to unvote, because again I took this as a willingness to call it rather than spinelessly begging me to burn a week of my life and emotional energy hoping that you grant mercy. I'm glad you unvoted but I wanted to be very clear about what exactly you should be expecting from me at this point in the game.

ie. If you are 90%+ sure you're going to vote me, stop wasting all of our time and do it. I can give what I owe the other players, and I can put the game down if we want, but I'm not burning myself up like a candle so you can navelgaze.

As for you and VFT, I could spend days writing about how my thinking changed between these two points in time. I've already written that the way I was playing around VFT was obviously gamelosing and I needed to change. Even disregarding those, your position is wildly different as someone who is almost certainly town to me whereas I was actively scumreading VFT at the time, although later I was hoping to cement the gladiate (before again deciding to swap playstyle)

On another level, I am just uncomfortable with this game in its entirety, even without the time/energy concern.

I am firm in presenting my opinions but the only things personal about yesterday were in going through the motions of social niceties to at least lose graciously.

Instead we can't even get that much, it turned into some interpersonal drama of a nonexistent attack where you somehow thought a short speech about how valuable I was and how you weren't throwing me away in the scum pile (and therefore I should try hard for your sake). The first part makes me extremely uncomfortable, I am just another player, I am tired of paying social niceties simply because the absence is read as something more vicious, and the second is a very visceral "fuck no" regardless of who the player is.

Fundamentally none of this was AI, none of this was personal, and I hate that I just spent 30 minutes disentangling it when I'd rather just leave it because it doesn't matter.

If I play onsite again it will not be under the name Prism.

[SirCakez]

ur not gonna vote urself infinity so stop acting like u will

Yes I will. If skitt votes me there is a greater chance I will survive by self voting and convincing her that I wouldn't do that as scum than otherwise.

this is just so ridiculous I can't even believe it

Cakez make a case on me for me to tear apart tia

[SirCakez]

DC keeps making terrible posts making me want to vote them too though
AGHHH

For the record my posting was not to push Infinity

Part of why I feel like she feels so overwhelmed regardless of alignment is noones done shit to try and kill anyone but her today and yeah we just opened but all anyone’s done re me is mild sus

A case would help

this is not really true I'm still considering voting you don't get too excited

[SirCakez]

You’re the one who’s been saying I’m scum and somehow snowed Bork nacho snd bulge

You must have some real insight!

the ancient one does not reveal his secrets

[SirCakez]

you're not considering things like cakez/iverson bc, again, it's a lot easier for you to push a narrative that we're scum and to try and get our flip given how we're perceived by others in the game than by seriously reconsidering us and looking at the others

i hate how DC keeps trying to widen the elim pool
this is a pretty consistent scum tell

[SirCakez]

and cakez had a prior meta of bussing heavily?

see postgame of Among Us

what if its notsci/DC??????

[SirCakez]

I hate how calm notsci is coming off here.

[SirCakez]

I don't think infinity vs DC can be S/S

[SirCakez]

I’m not excited I’m bored as fuck because people just say I’m scum without saying why I’m scum

Ninja-
I could just pull the 100% track record of reading me from bulge card

I haven’t

But I could

do it I'm desperate here this game is hard as balls

[SirCakez]

Cakez did you ever play the fun fun iso game I recommended

no but I can
who do you recommend mr. science????

[SirCakez]

DC keeps making terrible posts

name 1

the one I quoted with you trying to get Iverson and me into the elim pool

i hate how DC keeps trying to widen the elim pool

but I'm not? I've pretty clearly stated that I think it's infinity/iverson the vast majority of the time

my point is that I don't get why infinity, if town, isn't considering anything beyond her DC!scum solve being the lynchpin that everything else revolves around

I don't see a chance in hell Iverson made some of those posts yesterday as scum
Why should Infinity have to change her reads? there's little evidence suggesting you are town

also @cakez I just ISO'd you in the postgame of among us and it didn't really clear things up on why you wouldn't bus nowadays

you have to read everyone's comments
I was criticized a lot for bussing too heavily that game

[SirCakez]

I'm just telling cakez how he's such a talented mafia player infinity what are you talking about

this would hurt if I didn't already have 0 self worth as a mafia player
apology accepted we can move forward

bye Prism :/

[SirCakez]

hi Morning Tweet always nice to see you ^.^

[SirCakez]

WE DONE YALL

WOOOOOOOOO

congrats!

because you're playing like trash, you should feel bad, and I want you to understand very clearly that if we lose this game the loss is exclusively on you at this point for being so fucking stubborn and arrogant not to listen to anyone who's better than you and especially for not listening to, again, the person on the site with the best read rate on me bar none who has been telling you FOR DAYS that I'm town and just continuing your shitread on us despite not having spoken to me since like day fucking 2

goddamn the AtE is good this game
somebody is doing a good job faking their emotions here between DC and Infinity

(4) WE HAVE PRACTICALLY THE SAME VOTING PROGRESSION THROUGHOUT THIS GAME. like what. why do you think I even reconsidered you in the first place? do you have actual reasons for why we're scum? like any? other than blah blah oh trying to widen the limpool when again, that's very clearly not what I was trying to do and that should be blatantly obvious if you have even a vague sense of reading comprehension given that at no point was I trying to get votes anywhere other than onto infinity and at no point am I actually trying to get infinity to vote elsewhere other than me. like I could give a fuck where infinity votes, the important thing is that what she's trying to say does not make sense

at this point my PoE is very small
I just can't see VFT or Prism slot as scum
So I have to sort through you, notsci and Infinity. two of you are scum. it's not like I'm picking you out of a huge pool of people to push here. I'm out of options.

Also using the wagons from day two to claim we were voting together when you ended up helping yeet Bulge is very deceptive imo.

This is the stuff I thought was towny from notsci but it's probably not strong enough

It's not

[SirCakez]

games like this are why I don't get emotionally attached to mafia anymore
so in situations like this I just kinda roll with it
scum will probably pull this one just due to how difficult this game is and it sucks but that's mafia
we're all trying here

[SirCakez]

atm I'm kinda feeling like despite Infinity vs DC I think all roads just lead to notsci scum here

[SirCakez]

I need to look at the meta notsci showed but I think the posting from DC and Infinity today has felt a lot better than anything notsci has said

[SirCakez]

EVERYONE IS SAYING CAKEZ YOURE DUMB THIS MEANS IM OBVIOUSLY TOWN HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE IT???
NOT EVERYONE CAN BE TOWN

[SirCakez]

caps not because mad but for emphasis

[SirCakez]

For the love of god Cakez you have three flipped town saying in town and three flipped scum with awful associatives with iverson slot and infinity

you think Prism faked those posts yesterday? the replace-out only strengthens my read if anything

[SirCakez]

ok who would you have killed then

[SirCakez]

yeah but my problem is YOURE THE ONE SAYING IT
what precludes you from arguing these things as scum?
nothing

[SirCakez]

But I probably can use bulge to kill someone else (such as infinity given his scumread)

also there is a pretty significant chance you and Inf are buddies so this doesn't hold

[SirCakez]

Cakez my point is literally that I have to be the one to say it because y’all ignored when three other people were saying this isn’t how I’d play as scum

yeah and then those people all died
the people who ARE here are not saying the same thing

Here's scum!me in a recently completed game where I just had to believably vote ydrasse in order to win. Andres was leaning towards voting ydrasse but he insisted I vote first. Eventually he just voted her with a few hours left in the deadline. Compare that to my d3 here

Spoiler:

I'm still undecided, I feel like this game has been well within pooky and ydrasse's capabilities, but I feel like pooky is playing a bit more like scum than ydrasse?

Who do you think makes most sense as a flea partner? That's kinda what I'm trying to work out.

Honestly I don't trust myself to read either ydrasse or pooky on play, so I wanna go with associatives. I wanna check your work and talk to ydrasse

Ok maybe I should just put the most trust in the associatives but I at least wanna feel like I did my due diligence in trying to sort ydrasse.

VOTE: ydrasse yeah I just don't see a flea/pooky team.

Sorry if I'm an idiot

UNVOTE: you're right I should actually think more I just don't fucking know

It's just like, you/flea actually makes sense in some world? Like yes I think pooky is scummier in a vacuum but

I'm not seeing any difference here?

[SirCakez]

Yeah but you're doing that exact tone and style of play today...

[SirCakez]

Not really anymore, but sure

It doesn't seem like anything has changed.

yeah and then those people all died
the people who ARE here are not saying the same thing

You can write it off as wifom all you want but it’s fucking stupid and suicida for scum ns to set up this mylo

why? if you are scum with literally anyone here you are on the verge of winning. You would just need to yeet whichever of Inf and DC is not scum.

[SirCakez]

oh god this thread blew up wtf happened

- lilith

nothing good
come join us!
I need your town brain so bad rn

[SirCakez]

I'm still working so I can't catch up until later but where are you at?

- lilith

I'm stuck in a jungle of bullshit
I think two scum are in the pile of (notsci, DC, Infinity)
AND ALL THREE ARE TORTURING ME WITH PLEAS OF INNOCENCE

[SirCakez]

I *think* I'm leaning to an Infinity vote

[SirCakez]

Yeah the vote myself stuff seems so faked
Like i could maybe buy it if it's weren't LyLo and a town elim means a loss???

[SirCakez]

So then it just feels like scum tactics

[SirCakez]

I feel like I'm probably going to get limmed

WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP SAYING THIS
I have repeatedly expressed that I have an open mind and am still considering voting between any of the three I have listed

[SirCakez]

im seeing a lot of words aaaaaa

[SirCakez]

I like Tweet's catchup but I'm also biased bc I thought Iverson was extremely town

For the love of god there’s more than just Bork there’s two others with similar levels of experience

can someone who is not notsci tell me if this is believable or not? because I don't know what to think

where did it all go so wrong guys?? I know you both end up on Nacho :C

fucking notsci begged me to vote Nacho and I fell for it
my scumreads have been good this game but I've only actually gotten one elimmed 1/3 days q.q

How do we have 2-3 consensus scumreads who are scum (Leafeon + Momrangal + kind of NM but not really)

GOOD QUESTION
shit counterwagons happened (YES I KNOW I WAS ON ONE I AM A SADCAKE)

my thing with Mena right now is he seems way too legitimately pissed to be scum and he's been like this all game

Only scum in my bottom four was lotus.

Guess who I shot.

LMAO good times

If Cakes is town scum can just quickhammer entirely can they not..? Why don't they? Ah, it only lasted for four hours (and ofc only a few checked in thread during that time, especially not momrangal). So I suppose it's nothing

we established scum probably could not qh because of Mom being so inactive and a probable lack of daychat

You know I can only imagine how painful this game must be for the townies still alive at this point, like peta and NM getting away is just owie

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[SirCakez]

this might be one of the hardest mafia games I've ever played in over 6 years of online forum mafia
holy fucking shit

[SirCakez]

DC has a fair point that it is a lil weird how MT spent basically her whole catchup sniping at them and seemingly trying to pocket me (?)
but I just can't get over Iverson's play

[SirCakez]

because nobody was really saying that bulge/NM needed to be TvS and the general feeling was that they were probably s/s.

I don't think this is true though

[SirCakez]

Tweet does not really feel like when she was scum in Team Mafia tonally or stylistically

[SirCakez]

what if we had just yeeted Peta day 1 and NM day 2
THE GAME WOULD BE OVER

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[SirCakez]

Yes if you're scum you're having the game of your life

literally whoever is scum in this game is having an amazing game period

[SirCakez]

she's playing to her scum meta I think

can you elaborate on this?

[SirCakez]

I only foresee voting you if everybody disagrees with me or if there us some secret sauce that happens to disaster on D4, again the reason I say that is that I notice cakes switched leaning disaster yesterday over to you (In fact, everyone seemed to lean disaster yesterday)

i'm back and forth because people keep yelling at me

[SirCakez]

Who is infinity's partner again? Open question to whoever on the infinity train

probably notsci

[SirCakez]

this game is fucking haunting my dreams
i hope whoever is scum here is happy

[SirCakez]

I don't think this is true though

I'm pretty sure it was, I'll try to find quotes in a bit

but I think the only one who was like particularly opposed was notsci and even that only came after like.. a while of wanting bulge dead

like put it this way: most of the voters on the bulge wagon probably would still have voted bulge the next day anyway, and those on the NM wagon I think wanted NM more but I don't think there was anyone screaming that bulge was town there

i disagree
no one was saying it was S/S
some people just thought one or the other was scummier
ex; notsci

she's acting here like she's just had this big revelation that "oh my god holy shit, it's VFT/DC!!!" but like... this shouldn't be shocking if her prior post was genuine because that's what she was supposedly already thinking. like the only thing that made her not commit to it was bc she needs to do "due diligence" on the skitt iverson thing, but the "I CAN SEE IT" is just so performative. that's like the most blatant bit where it comes through but the whole post reads in the same way

i completely disagree; tonally I think it makes sense
this seems like grasping at straws to me

like ur buddy is putting in so much effort here! you can do better than that

also this reminds me of posts I've seen scum make before

SCENARIO 1: we bus NM. the next day, we lim bulge. mom leaves. we're in mylo with two town gone and 3 scum gone. we look p good for having bussed NM all the way through and the day probably goes smoothly.

SCENARIO 2: we kill bulge. NM leaves. mom is limmed. we're in mylo with two town gone and 3 scum gone. the game is a horrible fucking shitfest because our correct push on NM is undermined by having jumped off him to vote bulge despite there being exactly no need to.

let me be very clear: unless you think that we couldn't lim bulge the next day in scenario (1) the two worlds are functionally no different in terms of who is alive. the basically ONLY difference is how we're perceived. so do you disagree that bulge would have been very limmable the next day, or do you not? and if you don't, why did ydra vote bulge? just to make this fun game a little bit extra challenging because it was too easy

if NM had been yeeted I think Bulge would have been off the table because he was the counterwagon to scum
I know I wouldn't have voted him after that

[SirCakez]

i just want vftttttt hereeeee
where plant when we need it

[SirCakez]

i get so pumped playing other games and feel good about mafia and then I remember this game exists and it just drains my soul

[SirCakez]

i disagree
no one was saying it was S/S
some people just thought one or the other was scummier
ex; notsci

I’m gonna go back to try and pull quotes tomo but this is not how I remember it at all

please do

i completely disagree; tonally I think it makes sense

I don’t get it

If you’ve already been having the thought of “oh hmm X/Y seem teamed” then making a big post with LOTS OF CAPS and also exclamation points!! seems weird to me? Bc that to me is presenting the realisation as a shock/surprise but logically it shouldn’t have been by that point

So idk what you mean by it making sense tonally? Unless you just mean her tone is good whcih, sure, MT has almost universally had good tone whenever I’ve played with her

like tweet was excited about the team and was trying to pump herself up
i have felt like that before

[SirCakez]

FUCK I keep settling on like "ok it's defintely DC"
and then DC WILL FUCKING POST SOMETHING MAKING ME RECONSIDER
FUCK

[SirCakez]

Cakessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

hi

[SirCakez]

I think I'm settling on Infinity
DC and notsci have enough evidence to make me think they are town for now
i don't really want to go in circles with this game anymore

[SirCakez]

STOP THAT

[SirCakez]

i'm gonna be honest i'm having a hard time seeing town come in with the pushes she's making >.>

~ skitter

I think Iverson was FAR outside of scumrange so honestly I'm not even really trying to read MT

[SirCakez]

maybe the site will crash and delete this game and then we won't have to deal with it anymore ))))))))

[SirCakez]

oh my god there's still a week to deadline
I'm gonna scream

[SirCakez]

i'm nomming this scum team for goodfellas no matter who it is because HOLY FUCKING SHIT

[SirCakez]

I don't fucking know

Cakez if it had to be DC/VFT or tweet/notsci what do you think

i can't see a world with iverson suppose
i can see some kind of twisted mockery world where it's DC/VFT I suppose

[SirCakez]

VOTE: notscience

fuck this
he is playing in his scum meta
infinity/dc/iverson all dropped insanely genuine AtE
it feels like notsci doesn't give a shit about this game and is just leaning on the trs he got earlier

[SirCakez]

there is so much fucking evidence for every slot to be town I think I just need to go with my gut here

[SirCakez]

this game is fucking incredible

I really dont think i feel like this ever

Maybe two other games of mine ever i can think of had me as absolutely consumed

I don't think anyone town is enjoying this game fwiw

to be fair it's not not enjoyable because of toxicity or being a bad game
it's just HARD AS BALLS

[SirCakez]

DC page 160 is town as hell!

[SirCakez]

ALSO @CAKEZ when you get here

you called me scum earlier today for trying to widen the limpool

what else is MT trying to do here with her VFT push other than exactly, openly, and obviously that

yeah but MT is ONLY looking at you and VFT it's not like she's like "well any of these four could be scum"
if MT is scum she could have a whole menu of options for town elims here

Because morning is playing very hard and honestly I wasn’t really sure where you were stood on things, I thought you were a lot more up in the air

Also morning seems to be playing for a hard pocket on cakez and I think that if we no lim we lose, and I’m not sure if cakez is gonna make the right choice or not given that he’s had issues with me all game

who do you want me to vote besides Tweet
infinity right?

[SirCakez]

Cakez for fucks sake will you just go look at associatives

Fuck what’s happening today all it is from scum is AtE pandering, look at past days and stop throwing

which associatives exactly
i am here right now talk to me

[SirCakez]

UNVOTE:

[SirCakez]

HOW WAS IVERSON SCUM?
all of the MT pushers need to explain this to me

[SirCakez]

notsci you have burned a lot of fucking towncred with me with your Nacho and Bulge pushes

[SirCakez]

i am all over site rn but I will keep checking back in here

[SirCakez]

HOW WAS IVERSON SCUM?
all of the MT pushers need to explain this to me

like
do not say ANYTHING about Tweet in response to this
solely tell me if Prism could have faked those posts as scum and how

[SirCakez]

why did he rage yeet out here as scum about to win

[SirCakez]

ok notsci so who is it then?

[SirCakez]

Cakes, infinity, VFP, NM, Bulge

there's no way NM was the only scum in here
right?

[SirCakez]

frankly looking at Mom's ISO I think you look the worst notsci. she barely talks to or about you.

[SirCakez]

Not mafias most quoted player is prism

what does this mean?

[SirCakez]

like readwise
are you saying it made prism town or scum?

[SirCakez]

Scum are going all out to get 2-0 and put us on the back foot for the rest of the game, there’s at least 1, probably 2 scum already on me here, if I were scum I would 100% have been the sacrifice

Name names.

Disaster, infinity and cakez

kinda same pool from NM

notscience is town here, he's not good at faking tone as scum and is immediately readable, cakez should be today's elim

SUS

all of the flipped scum went after me lmao

[SirCakez]

ok notsci so who is it then?

[SirCakez]

maybe we should get DGB's scumputer and run everyone's reads through it or something LMAO

[SirCakez]

Hi peta forgive my last post I am excited to play with you but bummed I’m playing against you

bold of u to claim scum like this

hmmm

cakez i know you wanting to catch me is funny memes and all but this aint the game where it gets to happen

AYYYYYYY I FORGOT ABOUT THIS
DEFINITELY GONNA RUB THIS IN PETAS FACE POSTGAME

I’d kill peta regardless of nachos flip

lol ok

HMMMMMMMMM

VOTE: notscience

his posts since i subbed in have sucked ass

FUCK THIS DOESN'T LOOK LIKE SVS

[SirCakez]

I told you it’s infinity and tweet like ten times Cakez

THEYRE ALL BLENDING TOGETHER

[SirCakez]

Disaster Tweet, Morninfinity, Cartel Science
Aaaaaa

[SirCakez]

fuck i need a shower
going through this game makes me sweaty

[SirCakez]

ok
ok
notsci if you're snowing me this game I will never ever trust you ever again

[SirCakez]

VOTE: infinity

[SirCakez]

i'm just leaving it here
if we somehow make it to tomorrow the Tweet v Notsci v DC hellhole can happen then

[SirCakez]

yeah and not maf pretty much totally ignored infinity

[SirCakez]

notsci if you think it's infinity why aren't you voting her

[SirCakez]

this game has me exhausted
i can't go in circles anymore

[SirCakez]

probably not I can't see them as scum right now

[SirCakez]

Clown or you lose

what does this even mean

[SirCakez]

I say clown instead of that word we don’t say anymore

im braindead
don't say the word but can you explain what you mean

[SirCakez]

Ok well if notsci is not changing his mind he should just vote so we can end the day
We're all exhausted