Mini 615: The Eclipse- Game!

[icemanE]

Hmm... the scary thing about what armlx just said is that it makes the hunter's choice even more difficult. I think arm and Darox are definite scum, but I'm sort of on the fence between WK and bogre as last night's recruit. The hunter will be forced to look at Darox and Bogre tomorrow if we lynch arm today because arm said the three of them are cult - Bogre might not be a cultist, which is a bummer for the hunter, because he'll be a suspect tomorrow. If you lynch me today it'll be even harder for the hunter tomorrow because arm spread suspicion.

[armlx]

If you lynch me today it'll be even harder for the hunter tomorrow because arm spread suspicion.

Hi, I'm an appeal to emotion that assumes I'm not cult.

[icemanE]

Hi, I'm an appeal to emotion that assumes I'm not cult.

How is it an appeal to emotion. I'm stating a fact, not saying "PWEEZ DON'T WYNCH ME!" And of course my posts are going to assume I'm not cult.

[armlx]

How is it an appeal to emotion. I'm stating a fact, not saying "PWEEZ DON'T WYNCH ME!" And of course my posts are going to assume I'm not cult.

You are saying the equivalent of, in a normal game, "When I flip town we will go into L-1, so don't lynch me".

[armlx]

Err, LYLO.

[icemanE]

That's still not an appeal to emotion. I'm explaining why your "either the three of us are cult or iceman is the DK" statement is scummy and hurts the town's chances of picking the DK. Even if you don't see it as scummy it's certainly not protown.

Plus that's a false dilemma. Those are not the only two possibilities. At all.

[armlx]

I'm explaining why your "either the three of us are cult or iceman is the DK" statement is scummy and hurts the town's chances of picking the DK. Even if you don't see it as scummy it's certainly not protown.

You only are saying this because the prominent possibility I proposed is you are scum.

[icemanE]

You only are saying this because the prominent possibility I proposed is you are scum.

Do you deny that what you've said is scummy or not? You don't contest it - what you said is bad for the town, and scum are against the town.

[Awesome Pants]

Gonna catch up on the last few pages soon, been a bit busy. In the meantime, we have another week or so until deadline.

[armlx]

Do you deny that what you've said is scummy or not? You don't contest it - what you said is bad for the town, and scum are against the town.

How is it bad for the town to explain that the only alternative to you being the DK is a specific set of 3 players being cult? If you can explain this to me, I will admit my post did not help the town.

[Norinel]

Vote Count

icemanE - 3 (armlx, Darox, Bogre)
armlx - 1 (icemanE)

Not voting (3): Awesome Pants, Jaguar, windkirby

4 to lynch

[icemanE]

How is it bad for the town to explain that the only alternative to you being the DK is a specific set of 3 players being cult? If you can explain this to me, I will admit my post did not help the town.

Because first of all, that statement is completely unfounded. Those are not the only two possibilities - there are any number of possible combinations, and the only way I can imagine you actually believing that those are the only two possibilities is if you, darox, and bogre actually are the three scum. Otherwise, there's no possible way you could know that those are the only two possibilities.

The way it hurts the town is that, no matter who we lynch out of me, darox, and yourself (armlx), bogre is immediately going to be high on the list of suspects tomorrow because of what you said. That is, even if he isn't a recruit or the DK, the hunter is automatically going to have to group him in with suspects, which means that if he isn't scum today, the cult probably won't recruit him tonight, but he'll still be a suspect because you grouped him in with yourself and darox.

Here:

If we lynch me today, when you realize I'm town it will leave armlx, darox, and bogre alive - all three suspects that armlx groups in as being one of only two possible scenarios (which is a false dilemma).

If we lynch arm or darox today and they turn up scum, that will automatically incriminate bogre and either darox or armlx, depending on which one we lynch.

So you've harmed the town by creating a false dilemma that, no matter what, makes things more difficult for the town by forcing the hunter to look at two people (bogre and darox, if we lynch you and you're scum) who may or may not be actually tied in with you - it's a good tactic for scum to create dummies that will draw attention off of others like you have.

[armlx]

Because first of all, that statement is completely unfounded. Those are not the only two possibilities - there are any number of possible combinations, and the only way I can imagine you actually believing that those are the only two possibilities is if you, darox, and bogre actually are the three scum. Otherwise, there's no possible way you could know that those are the only two possibilities.

Again, if there was a scum off the wagon they would have hammered by now if you were not known scum to them, so I guess there is a 3rd possibility of the DK being off the wagon, you being a recruit, and them not wanting to bus.

[icemanE]

Because first of all, that statement is completely unfounded. Those are not the only two possibilities - there are any number of possible combinations, and the only way I can imagine you actually believing that those are the only two possibilities is if you, darox, and bogre actually are the three scum. Otherwise, there's no possible way you could know that those are the only two possibilities.

Again, if there was a scum off the wagon they would have hammered by now if you were not known scum to them, so I guess there is a 3rd possibility of the DK being off the wagon, you being a recruit, and them not wanting to bus.

So you're saying that either:

A. I'm scum. And you speculate that three townies have all placed votes on me, and not a one of the other scum want to bus me.

or

B. You, Darox, and Bogre are scum.

Given that your explanation of the possibility that I'm scum is based in WIFOM, and that the other possibility you provide is something you could actually KNOW FOR SURE, B is clearly the more probable of the two.

But here's the thing - did you take into account that me, you, and Darox are far and away the most active players in this game? Ever heard of lurking? We've been at each other's throats since day 1 - you're doing the scum's work for them, if they're hiding in the cracks. But if you're seriously convinced that the only two possibilities are A and B, then I have no choice but to believe you're scum - given the knowledge that I have of my role, stacked against your own explanation of the two possibilities, it narrows it down to B automatically - which is why I'm positive that, of the three, at least you (armlx) are scum.

[Awesome Pants]

Ok, had my read through.

vote: iceman

[Awesome Pants]

edwop:

vote: icemanE

[icemanE]

I tried.

[Awesome Pants]

Heh, phew, logically you had to be town.

[icemanE]

Heh, phew, logically you had to be town.

I wish the town had realized that.

[windkirby]

I don't understand what it going on!!!

[icemanE]

I don't understand what it going on!!!

...I've been lynched. We're just waiting on a death scene...

[armlx]

Heh, phew, logically you had to be town.

Or DK. Which is what I said.

[icemanE]

Heh, phew, logically you had to be town.

Or DK. Which is what I said.

Still trying to appear town, even after he's succeeded in getting me lynched. You know who the DK is bud.

[Bogre]

You played so scummily either way.

[icemanE]

You played so scummily either way.

Lol. I'll save my answer to that for after the game. I'm dead now, now more posting for me. Good luck hunter.