Mini Normal 2211 || Summer Meet [Endgame]

[humaneatingmonkey]

Bugspray (3): Dunnstral, T3, Umlaut, (humaneatingmonkey), (Ivyeo), (Anya),
ONE MORE for the bumrush.

Let's switch wagons now.
VOTE: bugspray

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Bugspray is at E-1.

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bugspray, wake up and claim

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hmm

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yeah bugs really killed this with the whole going to sleep thing

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tempted to say fuck it i dont really care, but we wont really know what bugs would claim here

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i'm in a bloodlust. i will not be thinking properly here. i need someone else to weigh in on the matter.

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Anya?

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Cook flip this slot

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On my re-read

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i'm trying to tryhard but I think I can sum up my opinions very concisely in bullet points. i'm never gonna finish if i link every impression, so you can ask that later. but it's good that it's up here so that it can be useful. consider this a collective thing that we can prove/disprove. whatever.

Andante/VFP
• engaged in the game
• transparent and consistent process
• hasn't slipped in perspective
• hasn't demonstrated that they're PR hunting
• isn't incoherently overexplaining in their defense
take: probably town. not gonna consider lynching d1.

Anya
• skirting in the sidelines
• transparent and consistent process
• hasn't slipped in perspective
• i can't characterize their early setup spec as PR hunting
• isn't incoherently overexplaining in their defense.
take: unsure with a slight town bias. not gonna consider lynching d1.

bugspray
• skirting in the sidelines
• surprisingly consistent but opaque process
• hasn't slipped in perspective
• i don't know if i can characterize their early setup spec as PR hunting
• isn't incoherently overexplaining in their defense.
take: unsure. very unsure. dare i say with a slight town bias. i almost want to lynch this for being tough to read, but that's not how you play this game.

Dunnstral
• biggest lurker in this game
• not only is it inconsistent it's also opaque
• hasn't slipped in perspective (probably because they haven't talked)
• the way he interacted with Anya's early setup spec standed out as very specific — like it's PR hunting
• hasn't overexpained anything in their defense (because they haven't talked)
take: unsure with heavy scum bias. this is my "lurker lynch" in d1.

Egix96
• looks engaged, but not really. ("I'm willing to admit, it does feel a bit like he's in commentary mode.")
• transparent but inconsistent process. (very notable thing is that he doesn't move his vote/convictions until it's been seconded by someone else and it doesn't feel like he has his own process.)
• i don't empathize with his perspective
• hasn't demonstrated that they're PR hunting
• isn't incoherently overexplaining in their defense.
take: probably scum. this is one of two of my "probably scum" lynch in d1.

geraintm
• second biggest lurker in the game
• transparent and consistent process (his ground is fucking solid)
• hasn't slipped in perspective (his ground is fucking solid)
• hasn't demonstrated that they're PR hunting.
• isn't incoherently overexplaining in their defense. (again, his ground is fucking solid)
take: disgustingly unsure with a slight town bias. not gonna consider lynching d1.

InsidiousLemons
• engaged in the game
• transparent but inconsistent process
• hasn't slipped in perspective
• hasn't demonstrated that they're PR hunting
• has a habit of overexplaining in their defense, but im not sure if it's incoherent.
take: unsure with a wildcard bias. guy's a good ally if he's town. guy's a dangerous scum if he's scum. almost want to lynch just to flip this slot, but that's not how you play this game.

Ivyeo
• engaged in the game
• transparent and consistent process
• hasn't slipped in perspective
• hasn't demonstrated that they're PR hunting
• isn't incoherently overexplaining in their defense.
take: probably town. not gonna consider lynching d1.

osuka
• looks engaged, but not really (bugs is spot on #220)
• inconsistent and opaque process (hostile, but not really trying to scumhunt. called me scum — DIDNT VOTE ME)
• has slipped in perspective when he chainsaw defended Lemons
• has demonstrated that they're PR hunting (called out gerain as PR, for no good reason)
• has incoherently overexplained in their defenses
take: probably scum. this is one of two of my "probably scum" lynch in d1.

T3
• skirting in the sidelines
• opaque but consistent process
• hasn't slipped in perspective
• hasn't demonstrated that they're PR hutning
• isn't incoherently overexplaining in their defense.
take: unsure with a heavy town bias. not gonna consider lynching d1.

Umlaut
• engaged in the game (when he was here)
• opaque process (keeps his cards close)
• hasn't slipped in perspective
• hasn't demonstrated that they're PR hunting
• isn't incoherently overexplaining in their defense
take: unsure with a heavy town bias. not gonna consider lynching d1

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VOTE: InsidiousLemons

Anya and Umlaut are conftown to me.

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osuka, is this you? Confirm.
—
If Dunn is town:
bugspray is pretended to be a derp and pushes my answer as a slip. Lemons and osuka hops in to try and build a viable wagon against me. Egix is a derp and misinterprets my answer as a slip to distance. To distance themselves from Dunn's lynch.

If Dunn is scum:
bugspray pretended to be a derp and pushes my answer as a slip. One out of these people—Lemons, osuka, Egix—hops in to try and build a viable wagon against me to save Dunn from a lynch.

Either way, I think Lemons is obvscum here.

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just popping in to say hello and ive obviously got nothing to add from last night

Maybe now it's day 2, we can see a different you.

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VOTE: InsidiousLemons

Anya and Umlaut are conftown to me.

Also Ivy, and ~maybe~ Egix96 as well.

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distancing.jpg
VOTE: hem

osuka, is this you? Confirm.

[humaneatingmonkey]

If osuka doesn't claim responsibility for tonight's kill save and if osuka doesn't declare who he targeted and why, he's scum.

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Also if osuka ignores my request for crumb again, he's also scum.

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If I'm a betting man, I'm thinking this is Lemons and osuka as the final scum team.

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Also Ivy, and ~maybe~ Egix96 as well.

I'm sorry. Instead of Egix96, make this geraintm and T3.

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This is the rest of the readlist:

Leaning Town:
Egix96
Dunnstral

Leaning Scum:
VFP

I'm Tunnelled:
osuka

Probably Scum:
InsidiousLemons

VFP because I saw him online and didn't even bother to comment and that was a "HMMMMM" moment for me.

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Cook is a changed

organism

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okay Dunn is town. I'll sheep your read here.

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You can't seriously think HEM is scum after how yesterday ended.

he can't think like town because he's scum maybe

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in that logic, Umlaut, Egix is town here for allowing bugs wagon to happen. he didn't push the "bugs is unclaimed!" defense. thoughts?

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As long as we lynch Lemons today, I will be happy.

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I fully expect Lemons' partner to bus

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settle down. we don't even have a crumb from osu yet. I'm thinking odd-night rolestopper is bullshit here.

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Uma

what is this read? please explain

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if osuka doesn't declare who he targeted and why, he's scum.

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i love you lemons

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one of him or apples but not both don't think all 3 wolves go for the slip push thing

why not

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wait i forgot that bugspray hired an air balloon advertising they weren't partners with osuka

this could also be distancing

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depending on what osuka says about his night action, I think we lynch lemons > osuka > VFP > Geraintm > Ivy. Ivy might be our mole in the townbloc. If it's LYLO, I will always vote Ivy.

bugspray did the fake call-out on me when we were scum together.

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11708714

"i think the misgendering gives us negative scum equity so keep peppering it in so i can yell at oyu for it"

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Umlaut didn't have to do bugs like that. He was in the best position to go for my head there or just hammer Dunn

Unless you're saying it's Dunn, Umlaut, bugs.

Or you're scum trying to break gamestate.

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HEM's wagon - osuka, bugs, egix, umlaut, lemons, and auto-votes (gerain, Dunn, whoever else succumbs to pressure)

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i go for the fire arm vendors personally

as long as we're lynching them both, it's fine

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VOTE: osuka

okay, well, this is my tail tucked between my legs moment. i have been facepalming for the past 2 days at how obviously ridiculous osuka's push on hem was. i understand that osuka and i are both obvscum here, the only issue is that i'm not scum. i may have been stupid enough to believe the scumslip push, but i don't believe osuka is. i've seen his reasoning and it is never this overtly wrong. frankly i'm kind of surprised he thinks this push is still viable at all. yes, i understand how absolutely dripping in scum vibes it is to say all this as someone who hopped on the hem wagon. i'm saying it anyway. i really do not have an explanation for why i fell for the scumslip push other than that i was kinda tunneled on hem and really wanted to have found scum. if you still want to lim me tomorrow, do it. you'll have the votes i'm sure.

going back over the ISOs i think VFP could have partner equity with osuka. it's very rare (at least in my experience) to be able to find comments from osuka that overtly point to distancing with no grey area, so take this with a generous grain of salt, but osuka took multiple opportunities to take swipes at andante early in the game, knowing that she was playing pretty much identically to last game (when she was town). taken together with the post where he says he agreed with my early game analysis of andante, there is a case to be made for distancing here. i cant quote right now because mobile but you'll find them if you look. he'll probably counter that he was trying to see if she would react the same way to pressure, which is valid, but again, things are rarely black or white with osuka. VFP coming in and immediately saying he'll coast again could also be taken as VFP creating an opportunity for osuka to distance. again, the case is thin, but this is all my search for possible osuka partners really turned up. scum!Dunn is still a possibility and he didn't really have enough interaction to say whether there's equity there or not.

hem, it is kind of bizarre to me that you're going for me first over osuka. in your "if dunn is scum" scenario, why do you think i'm the scum over osuka?

anyway, hem is all but conftown for the quick flip onto bugs. the fact that osuka is continuing to push him even after the flip is even more damning.

this post is really sweet, but it's scum

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Anya what do you think

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i'll let you guys do the reading

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can you explain how you're tunnelled at me, Lemons, if you had the foresight to say these things:

so why does literally every tpr have to have access to a pt?

They don't. I just made a mistake.

it's an answer to another question

bugspray you can't even comprehend the number of style points you get for winning a mafia game off of a scumslip

once bitten twice shy. is there anything in particular that makes you disbelieve that hem was responding to 899 rather than 901? i understand that it is still sketch but i do think we porbably have better options than HEM today

i'm aware of that fact. i'm saying my confidence that it

was

a scumslip is greatly diminished by the strength and simplicity of hem's explanation, and i don't think it's worth limming over when there are other options on the table. how do you feel about my analysis of ivy's case on osuka?

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just kidding, i know you dont have an answer. i'd like to see you try, though.

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992 makes a convincing enough case that i could probably go for hem. i didn't notice the time discrepancy at first, and i can't find any other examples of monkey replying to a post that isn't the most recent without a quote or p-edit.

can you also explain this

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so why does literally every tpr have to have access to a pt?

They don't. I just made a mistake.

it's an answer to another question

bugspray you can't even comprehend the number of style points you get for winning a mafia game off of a scumslip

once bitten twice shy. is there anything in particular that makes you disbelieve that hem was responding to 899 rather than 901? i understand that it is still sketch but i do think we porbably have better options than HEM today

the timing is all wrong. 898, 899, and 900 were all posted within a minute of each other. 903 only comes 10 minutes after that, and 9 minutes after 901 - he had to have had the time to look at the beginning of the next page. he didn't even quote the post? when you're directing something towards a post that is not the most recent, you generally quote what you're replying to or you pedit, neither of which he did

can you explain how this could convince you, when you seem to have a good head on your shoulders

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It is scum, and it's always fun when they've been caught, because they don't have a good answer for why they're town.

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is this within Lemons scum range?

@Anya

, since you've shown that you use meta and you vouch for Lemons, would you kindly do the honors? I'm absolutely tunneled here, and even if I feel like this vulnerability could never come from scum, I'm almost certain it can. I also objectively think Lemons was outright scummy yesterday.

@Umlaut

, would you kindly tell me what you think about this one?

Lemons, is your solve osuka > VFP? Can you tell me who your solve is?

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@VFP

, is your solve Umlaut/Dunn? Do you understand that you are third in line in the firing squad, and we sorting Lemons town here would mean you might be first-in-line depending on what gambit osuka might bring up. What's your counter-solve?

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@T3 - If it's not Lemons (even though it's absolutely Lemons), what's your solve here?

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My solve is already Lemons > osuka > VFP, like, I don't think I'll be able to change my mind about this without external input.

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Okay, would that be what you'll do today? Vote out osuka + try and solve for whoever between Umlaut, Ivyeo, Egix, Dunn? What if it isn't osuka?

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what are you doing

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you're trying to characterize me as close-minded when i'm trying to discuss your reads with you

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i'm sensing desperation, VFP. that's not the mood i'm expecting after lynching scum on D1.

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Osuka can be scum

osuka is your only scumread. how can I not think you'll vote him?

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lmao

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Anya what do you think

that's half the reason i'm voting osuka tbh lemons entrance to the stage today is really good and makes some sense while osuka is statically pushing you like he's an electrician with no other thoughts

if you're me and you rolestopped hem, that vote makes much more sense

hem gets rid of lemons here to make me look bad and gets rid of two people at once, including a PR. he can't kill me lest he implicate himself, so he kills lemons instead and goes "how did osuka know that flip was green"

i kinda sorta have a soft clear on lemons unless there's some other protective role or roleblocker that's unclaimed. if that's the case, i might have this all wrong but please please please don't claim

lmaoo

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do you seriously think i'm that stupid?

i don't know man. I've only been playing one game with you but your reputation precedes you and it does not disappoint.

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You're talking as if I've spent 5 days straight saying x is scum and I'm not sure where this is coming from or why you want to instantly shut this down?

this feels like frustration. is it not?

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Ah I see. I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. So today, you scumread Ivyeo, Umlaut and would probably vote between there — but you think he could be town and you don't want to say why?
How come you don't want to say why?

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i'm sad to say i haven't rolled scum since i was 14

this is sad

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:O No! VFP! You're a PR?! :O

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We lynch between VFP and osuka today.

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I think osuka first, as to clear the WIFOM Night 1 created.

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I'm not saying Umlaut is confirmed town here, and you could be right, but he's at the very last of my scumpile.

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I lynch after that, Anya and Ivyeo, which I already said I will only lynch at LYLO.

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You don't have Uma as confirmed town?

I do. As well as Anya and Ivyeo. But not mechanically.

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As in I haven't used northsidegal's Mafiascum: Highlight Alignments script TM to color their boxes green.

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I understand that there's a non-zero chance for them to be scum. But it'll be a hard sell for me to lynch them when I'm inclined to only lynch them at LYLO. I'm gonna go first with a combination of you, osuka, and Lemons first.

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How many elims do we have before LYLO?

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Nice try, VFP. I already did. But if your condition is to ignore bugs' elim, which is how we have reads right now in the first place, then you're just trying to reduce the argument to a point where you can attack it.
I don't believe that this is a read that could come from town.

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also i know it isn't intentional but i'm gonna remind you that "lynch" is not used anymore

i try to use it as best as I can.

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5v2 (LyLo)

3v2 is still LYLO, unless it's not?

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This is an offer: If you guys are town, you guys might wanna do a massclaim and study the spec setup while you guys still can. Let's do it today. That's the only way we can zoom out on this without the WIFOM. I'm very confident that I can organize the town to get a lynch on both of you in two succeeding days. I'm also confident that there will be counterclaims, and that can give us a better understanding of who's scum in LYLO.

You don't have to accept this now. Think about it.

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So, VFP, if you've already detected scum osuka once, what's your confidence level here?

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- hme basically conftown

i thought I'm basically conftown anyway?

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we'll cross the bridge when we get there. it's gonna flip scum, anyway.

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those of you trying to solve the game based on associatives on my flip are in for a rough fucking time

how so?

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okay osuka. thanks.

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you can post-by-post iso me if you want, since you're convinced i'm scum.

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look at him. he isn't even trying to make reads.

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if i have to spoonfeed you every context clues, you wouldn't have enough on your promised post-by-post iso to label as a scumslip.

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If osuka flips TPR, we lynch Lemons. Town!Lemons will never be the NK if he'll be in the chopping block today and a push for his lynch can be pulled off today. We had much more townier folks that came out of Day 1 from bugs lynch. I think the explanation is that Lemons is the one who performed the NK.

If osuka flips scum, I won't be surprised. He didn't crumb. Yesterday's play was atrocious and points to scum. Today's play was atrocious and points to scum. His PR strategy did not make any bit of sense, and he doesn't even have a full grasp of who he did the night action on. And then, we consider if we still want to lynch Lemons or anyone else.

This is the ending of this day.

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I misunderstood the power of rolestopper. It's not meant to stop outgoing actions. I understand.

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i thought it stops all role actions. inbound and outbound.

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Bugspray shouldn't have got themselves eliminated, i dont think they ever did anything especially obvious. but once the wagon got rolling it seemed unstoppable.

this is not a true statement. bugs was the crowd favorite before Dunn

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If osuka flips TPR, we lynch Lemons.

Town!Lemons will never be the NK if he'll be in the chopping block today and a push for his lynch can be pulled off today. We had much more townier folks that came out of Day 1 from bugs lynch.

I think the explanation is that Lemons is the one who performed the NK.

If osuka flips scum, I won't be surprised. He didn't crumb. Yesterday's play was atrocious and points to scum. Today's play was atrocious and points to scum. His PR strategy did not make any bit of sense, and he doesn't even have a full grasp of who he did the night action on.

And then, we consider if we still want to lynch Lemons or anyone else.

This is the ending of this day.

This is still true

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Anya, what do you think of VFP's case on Umlaut?

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Let me know if you guys are ready to flashlynch osuka, I'll be in my jungle

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I'll let Anya answer this but I think it's generous of you to describe VFP's posts about me as a "case"

Please answer it as well

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Do you think it's scum-motivated or town-motivated?

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so we agree? it's osuka > VFP?

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Yeah Dunn I wanna hear your suggestion

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Intent to hammer

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Okay thank you Dunn VOTE: osuka

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Cook, flip this slot.

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osuka unflipped regardless of alignment is more distraction than we need, really

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I'm thinking Cook here is asleep anyway.

Nothing was going to change my mind about osuka today.

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We'll reconsider day 3.

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osuka just needs to go

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Cook's last VC is 36 hours ago.

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I can confirm we're all American.

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I think there's 2 more scum.

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3.5 scum.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Traitor

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VOTE: Dunnstral Tell us your thoughts, man. You had interesting ideas yesterday.

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How come?

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bugs didn't know osuka was scum

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Go get 'em, town!

Go get

'em

? Hmm... Is this a coded message?

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o shit

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maybe this wins the game VOTE: VFP

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Hardclaim mason
Don't say you didn't see this coming

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maybe scum has informed roles that know something about town roles and hoods/pts.

scum!traffic analyst would be a really cool role tbh

bugs is informed that there are pts. the scum knows there are pts.

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the "slip" was actually me masonslipping.

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I crumbed my partner, and my partner can back me up here if needed.

But I'm not interested in doing that now.

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I crumbed my partner, which is more than enough because all we need is the other to die to hardclaim masonhood. They were some obvious crumbs. I don't know if choof crumbed, because it's not in our PT.

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I don't think I want Osuka today if its avoidable because there's 1 reason I feel he could be town, and no I'm not going to say why.

Ah I see. I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. So today, you scumread Ivyeo, Umlaut and would probably vote between there — but you think he could be town and you don't want to say why?
How come you don't want to say why?

Stop role fishing.

So this is a lie. If you checked Anya, you couldn't have had any information about osuka.

Yeeeeeeeeeet this.

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You don't strike me as a player to not crumb here.

I said I crumbed my partner.

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I don't think I want Osuka today if its avoidable because there's 1 reason I feel he could be town, and no I'm not going to say why.

Ah I see. I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. So today, you scumread Ivyeo, Umlaut and would probably vote between there — but you think he could be town and you don't want to say why?
How come you don't want to say why?

Stop role fishing.

So this is a lie. If you checked Anya, you couldn't have had any information about osuka.

Yeeeeeeeeeet this.

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I don't think I want Osuka today if its avoidable because there's 1 reason I feel he could be town, and no I'm not going to say why.

Ah I see. I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. So today, you scumread Ivyeo, Umlaut and would probably vote between there — but you think he could be town and you don't want to say why?
How come you don't want to say why?

Stop role fishing.

So this is a lie. If you checked Anya, you couldn't have had any information about osuka.

Yeeeeeeeeeet this.

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liar liar pants on fire

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Anya no

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I don't think I want Osuka today if its avoidable because there's 1 reason I feel he could be town, and no I'm not going to say why.

Ah I see. I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. So today, you scumread Ivyeo, Umlaut and would probably vote between there — but you think he could be town and you don't want to say why?
How come you don't want to say why?

Stop role fishing.

So this is a lie. If you checked Anya, you couldn't have had any information about osuka.

Yeeeeeeeeeet this.

His defense for this one doesn't make sense. He said he wanted osuka alive so he could protect him while he investigates PTs. But he said what he had was A REASON to feel he could be town (and he's not gonna say why cause he's a PR )

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VFP softclaimed PR yesterday, and he wasn't a night kill? You got to think this through, Anya.

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By the way, he quoted that defense twice, so he really believes it and it's not a mistake.

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Because of the role design of a rolestopper and any sort of cop.
It prevents me being killed why I can still ensure checks are made.
This was my only thought on it and I wasn't pushing Osuka as town.

I think last game proved its not strange that I connect roles up.

lmao

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I though vfp softed motion detector there lol

Anyways, I am humaneatingmonkeys mason partner. I didn't crumb it but he did.

I won't confirm nor deny. It's not time yet.

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This was my only thought on it and I wasn't pushing Osuka as town.

I don't think I want Osuka today if its avoidable because

there's 1 reason I feel he could be town

, and no I'm not going to say why.

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We'll talk about it.

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this is not a scum post ↑

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remember how out of place this was? yeah. partner crumb.

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Hello! I'm HEM's Partner, shall I share the crumbs he left?

Oh btw, I confirm this.

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I have information that makes me doubt both of the above is town

you claimed VT at E-1. Were you lying?

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How do you have information then? What about Egix makes you think they're not scum?

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How do you have information then? What about Egix makes you think they're not scum?

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i don't believe that VFP would think osuka is town because of setup speculation

[humaneatingmonkey]

I will reconsider this game

[humaneatingmonkey]

I will lend Lemons my vote before I do my re-read. VOTE: geraintm Do good with it.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Egix, who did you target N1?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm doing my re-read and since we're talking about it, I'll bring it up early:

#124 & #126 & #132 could be early evidence that Andante is PR or at least trying to give the impression that they're PR.

But counter-argument:
It's so painfully obvious that I found it immediately as soon as I started looking for it, and the scum team is probably on the lookout for shit like this early on. The fact that he hasn't been the NK on Night 2 makes this evidence against him being PR.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I don't think it's a gambit because osuka was a traitor

It's a gambit because everyone has claimed (Egix remains, but you say he's a friendly neighbor), and I would think someone would claim it if they were actually the person responsible. There's no benefit to not claiming here because if you stopped the NK, the scum will know. osuka can't accidentally stop an NK because his role card says it doesn't stop factional kills.

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But counter-argument:
It's so painfully obvious that I found it immediately as soon as I started looking for it, and the scum team is probably on the lookout for shit like this early on. The fact that he hasn't been the NK on Night 2 makes this evidence against him being PR.

Like, even if they haven't spotted this one,

he softed PR Day 2

.

[humaneatingmonkey]

It's also obvious that the mafia already knows that osuka is their traitor because osuka would have been the NK at N1. Unless osuka lied about protecting Lemons and instead protected himself.

[humaneatingmonkey]

But that would have not worked because he can't stop mafia kills.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Town Mason
Town Mason
Town Friendly Neighbor
Town PT Cop
Town Vanilla Townie
Town Vanilla Townie
Town Vanilla Townie
Town Vanilla Townie
Mafia Informed Fruit Vendor
Mafia Informed Traitor Personal Rolestopper
Mafia Non-Traitor with Multi-tasking Night Action?
Mafia Traitor with Multi-tasking Night Action?

Would this be a balanced setup?

[humaneatingmonkey]

are you not considering it? why not? i dont think you would ignore the existence of a flipped Traitor, especially if you believe that all the claimed town PRs.

[humaneatingmonkey]

huh? what did you just type, Lemons?

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: Lemons

[humaneatingmonkey]

Found this on the Traitor page of Mafiawiki:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Traitor

Try fakeclaiming an incriminating result on some random Townie in order to score a free mislim.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'll tell you later why I voted you Lemons. For now, read the Traitor page on the wiki.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i promise we're masons

[humaneatingmonkey]

i dont think lynching vfp today is the mechanically right way to play the game

[humaneatingmonkey]

that's why i think 2 traitors 2 mafia, could make it possible.

[humaneatingmonkey]

if i were to believe VFP's claim here, I 100% think there's 2 more scum.

[humaneatingmonkey]

let me gather my thoughts for a bit

[humaneatingmonkey]

If that's true, then VFP is the remaining scum here.

[humaneatingmonkey]

In that case, why would the mafia be so underpowered? There's multiple non-rand ways to confirm yourself as town here.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I don't do setup speculation. Maybe Dunnstral or geraintm can help out here.

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: VFP Maybe this wins the game, again.

[humaneatingmonkey]

VFP is at E-1.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I wonder who would alley-oop the ball to the basket.

[humaneatingmonkey]

but Lemons, I already think VFP is scum by play and if you're right about the setup, I already know he's lying about being a PT cop. A fruit vendor isn't a friendly neighbor. Also, the traitor can't coordinate kills with mafia.

[humaneatingmonkey]

2.5 scum on town that can identify each other both by play, by massclaim, and by night action? it's a tough sell.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Town Mason
Town Mason
Even-Night Friendly Neighbor
Town PT Cop
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Mafia Informed Rolestopper Traitor
Mafia Informed Fruit Vendor
Mafia ?

Is this a setup that makes sense to you? Whatever multi-tasking role that last mafia has, it's still underpowered vs. a town that just confirms itself.

[humaneatingmonkey]

The traitor can't even coordinate with his team.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Fruit vendor gives a fruit to someone, to indicate they have visited them. usually, to clear and throw off trackers. but if the scum is multi-tasking, then it doesn't matter.

Hammer this Lemons. You can thank me later.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i feel like it doesn't make sense for the rolestopper's only utility to be in preventing an even-night friendly neighbour's target from receiving the message

the fruit vendor doesn't make sense either because there's no claimed tracker and the scum is multi-tasking.

[humaneatingmonkey]

but it's here, we have it, and there we go.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Cook, tell us we won.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Cook, please don't break my heart.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Oh fuck Lemons you're scum aren't you

[humaneatingmonkey]

If VFP flips TPR, tomorrow, if scum doesn't confirm either of us as masons by killing us, we have time to share our thoughts.

Otherwise, tomorrow, we will have 3 conftowns — Egix and two of these: {Anya, Ivyeo, Monkey}. If Egix doesn't die Night 4, he must be scum. We will sort between geraintm, Lemons, and Dunnstral. I think we can win it.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Anyway, see what I mean here. Even if VFP dies here, this is still winnable by a huge margin. Makes me think this is game over anyway.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Flip Egix? Dunn confirms he's Friendly Neighbor. We'll flip Dunn first before Egix.

[humaneatingmonkey]

So you think 2 traitors 2 scum is the setup?

[humaneatingmonkey]

We are actually masons.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Nah you're fucking with us aren't you

[humaneatingmonkey]

Egix is even-night.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Like Lemons said, if it's 4 scum, then it's immediately Elo in Day 2 if there is never a PT cop, 2 masons and a FN. So if three scum exists and only one remains, Dunn can't be lying about Egix.

[humaneatingmonkey]

if there is never a PT cop, 2 masons and a FN

EBWOP: If there is

[humaneatingmonkey]

But 4 scum with an FN that only confirms themselves on N2 when it's an ML on ELo is actually not a good game at all.

[humaneatingmonkey]

VFP, I fucking promise you, we're masons.

[humaneatingmonkey]

This is why I think you're lying.

[humaneatingmonkey]

But scum is only hit 4/12 on D1, so it's not town-sided at all. Town is not able to comprehend that it's in ELo.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Do you agree that you have to be the lim tomorrow if no proof of masons though?

Not really. If I can avoid it, I will.

[humaneatingmonkey]

VFP, stop fucking with me if you're scum

[humaneatingmonkey]

GG! You tried, buddy. You were obvious at D2 but so was Andante was re-reading. Town was lucky!

[humaneatingmonkey]

FWIW, you played an excellent D1

[humaneatingmonkey]

What was your superpower? I assume you had a multi-tasking role

[humaneatingmonkey]

Andante was re-reading

EBWOP: Andante after re-reading

[humaneatingmonkey]

DOCTOR?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Anya, you're a lying liar.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i mean cook has been hyping up how hes gonna mod a game since he joined so i bet it's going to be a creative setup which generally means there's either hoods, a rolecop, or a tracker because those are some of the more interesting setup creation toys

obvious fish

[humaneatingmonkey]

Yeah, saved you night 1
Could have been very different I guess.

After D1, I was intent on doing bugs > osuka > Lemons > VFP but I had to prioritize Lemons D2 because I want to see his reaction to pressure first.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Why was I scum's favorite target? Have I not demonstrated unlynchability?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Fun fact, I actually tried to replace into your role but you beat me to it.

Hope we can play another game in the future!

[humaneatingmonkey]

Yeah hopefully I'll be town then!

You should roll more scum! So that you get practice

[humaneatingmonkey]

Ivyeo and I were saying our heartfelt goodbyes because I masonslipped hard.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Doesn't matter; will lovingly say my goodbyes every time.

[humaneatingmonkey]

got the call a couple of days ago but i don't like posting non game related stuff when discussion is heated so i decided to save it for the postgame. it was you folks' well wishes that pushed me over the edge, i'm sure!

another actor in MS.

watch out for his scum game.

[humaneatingmonkey]

probably not Lemons lmao