Mini Normal 2213 - Village (End Game)

[Noraa]

and SRed his buddy

who is VFP's buddy?

[Noraa]

I think VFP knew Gamma's role before it was revealed yesterDay and jumped the gun on voting him during FMFT'S partial claim. VFP was very active during the FMFT claim, more active than he has generally been in this game and prior to him voting Gamma for [reasons?] He had not voiced any suspicion of Gamma. Soon after he just says "I trust Gamma", switches to voting me, again for [reasons] (rolefishing?) and finally switches to Noraa for [reasons], although he has voiced suspicion of Noraa on D1 because she TRed him. He votes several people besides FMFT despite being one of the first onto his wagon. I think he wanted to get the vote in early before it looked like a bus as a hedge bet, and when FMFT wasn't speedlimmed for hammering RLotus, VFP saw a chance to try to shift the wagon without looking too suspicious.

As Noraa has pointed out his interaction with Max has been unusual his game but if you read them both you'll see Max's tone is fairly consistent and is likely to come from a newbie, regardless of alignment. VFP is also very actively (for VFP) keeping the idea of a Max lynch fresh hut never votes her. He also consistently discredits her and I think it's probably because 1) she's easy to discredit as a newbie and 2) people arent really paying attention to what she's saying as it is

Also threw in a quick look at the votes D1 and LMAO he was voting Gamma from RVS until Lotus was E-2. He did not push Gamma D1 and then morning of D2 he comes out the gate bussing his teammate who hammered the very same person he put to E-2

VOTE: VFP

Either you are super off base, you are scum, or I am terribly off base.
I think ... that you are super off base.
VFP and Max's interactions do look bad and im 99% sure that there is scum there but it makes more sense that its max than VFP.
Max just modded a game recently. That kind of tells me that she's not that new?
Also VFP is just super scummy so I dont see why thats a defining factor. Discrediting can just as easily come from town as scum. Like if I am certain someone is scum. The first thing I will do is discredit the people TRing that person. I also think VFP might just be doing it out of spite
Like yeah, his posts have been the scummiest thing in the world but apparently that's what his play style evolved into. Back a while ago, I watched a couple of games with him in it and even played a game with town him as scum, I remember his play was really amazing for a newbie. But the more recent games, his play has been really bad as town and I think its just like a phase of his play :/

Maybe ur right and VFP is scum. Idk I had a SR on VFP but Max is just too scummy and I dont have the same meta context for her as VFP. She also just SRs VFP for literal no reason and that worries me more than VFP's dumb and snarky comebacks.

[Noraa]

My apologies. It was not max the fox
I was thinking of this game https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86195
and the moderator was fox *bird*
Foxbird.

Not maxthefox. yikes my memory

[Noraa]

Also im so sorry I keep misgendering you maxthefox. I'll try to remember its she

[Noraa]

I already stated my reason to SR VFP. Most of his content

was

snarky comebacks

. He did next to nothing all game besides just stay in the background and try to look townie.

If he is town

then he made a mistake with that dumb playstyle. But unlikely.

The reason I tunnel on VFP is that he is my only strong SR at this point.

Everyone else is null or townie

.

I still think max is scum. sorry :/
Like just all of this is just so ughhhhhhhhh aGGHHHHHHWHY.
Literally. pain.
Like all of this feels like she's copying me words. And thats literally the epitome of scumminess damnit. Like scum loves to copy other people whether on purpose or subconsciously because it makes people relate to them and think they're towny damnit.
WHY. This literally just makes me SR Max more but then VFP comes over and says that if max is town, im scum and im like SHIT what if Im just getting fucking played by VFP.
wtf why is this so confusing. it was just supposed to be game solved and over. damnit.

[Noraa]

I also just think gamma is scum now bc of the hesitancy despite gamma being pretty obvious scum?

Well this is absolutely a fair and balanced way to read into things
Would you have townread me if my wagon got speedhammered?

well if you got speed hammered, it wouldn't matter what my read was cuz I'd get the flip and finally know fs what alignment you were....

[Noraa]

When did you get so mean, Gamma?

bc you are playing so terribly regardless of alignment at this point.

[Noraa]

On my part, I don’t believe “copying words” is a scumtell
I read a guide once that said a way to increase charisma is to try to emulate those you’re trying to convince

I think it typically is but max is a newbie so that makes me think twice.

[Noraa]

Yeah
So do you not think you’re being a little unfair to SR me for not being hammered yet?

uh im not SRing you because you aren't hammered.
Im SRing you because ur wagon has too much resistance.

[Noraa]

By me and 2 others
Suuuure

VOTE: Gamma

[Noraa]

E-1

[Noraa]

You're provoking me gamma ....
I think you're going for a TSTBS approach at this point and I dont like it. I think you're scum and it's time I voted you.

[Noraa]

Now ur calling me scum? mmk.

[Noraa]

lol thats horrible but I think you're bad enough town to post that as town so whatever. Gamma will flip scum and we'll just have to lim max and VFP and im pretty sure thats game over.

[Noraa]

Now ur calling me scum? mmk.

No, I was reacting to VFP’s post

ugh gamma town tell if ur town ples.
Like.
pour out your towny soul if ur town. I seriously cant see it damnit.
Go read lotus' posts or something for inspo.
you need to hurry up and town tell T.T if ur town

[Noraa]

Pour it into a glass and give me a magnifying glass. I'm literally blind if you are town. You need to walk me all the way to the glass and hand me that magnifying glass. I seriously cant see it.

[Noraa]

Nora has basically set up 3 lims to win the game.

I would be more willing to listen if Nora wanted to resolve me and Fox first.

If I were scum, town would be 100% doomed whether or not I set up three lims. Would scum me be this obvious about setting up lims lol?
Legit. My scum game is 10/10 beautiful piece of art. If I were scum, you wouldn't catch me in a hundred years.

[Noraa]

I think Nora is scared to vote me here.
Actually I'm confident Nora is scared to vote me here. Do you know something, Nora?!

Lol ok
VOTE: VFP
I'm not scared of voting you.
Thats E-1 btw.
If I were scum and I mislimmed you, do you think there would be big consequences for me?
I dont even know wtf ur logic is. Like if ur town, stop thinking nonsense and actually like try to obvtown????????????????

[Noraa]

Literally why would I be scared of voting you in any case scenario? I dont know you're on but literally this crappy logic holy fuck.

[Noraa]

I honestly dont care who gets limmed today. The reason I want gamma now is because I see resistance to his wagon which means that if he is scum, he is more of a threat than either you, VFP, a total scumbutt and Max who is also pretty scummy.

[Noraa]

My flip if green points to Nora scum.
My flip if red points to Max scum.

this is kind of a scum claim.
What town would say this.

[Noraa]

My flip if green points to Nora scum.
My flip if red points to Max scum.

this is kind of a scum claim.
What town would say this.

If VFP is town, he's saying that I am definitely scum and max is definitely town.
This makes no sense? its like the opposite of what I've been saying all day that if VFP is town, max is scum....
Idk maybe I do like this VFP vote after all.
Ssb come talk to me. I feel like im going insane

[Noraa]

My flip if green points to Nora scum.
My flip if red points to Max scum.

this is kind of a scum claim.
What town would say this.

This post is also a really great wifom post from the scum side of things .....
ssb am I confbiasing?

[Noraa]

Thats the spirit Nora, sweat!

Ok jester.

[Noraa]

I read UCV and FMFT’s combined ISO and the sole read I can take from it is that Noraa is town from UCV’s attempt to discredit the town reads on her

both of them were very insistent I was town from what I remember.

[Noraa]

I read UCV and FMFT’s combined ISO and the sole read I can take from it is that Noraa is town from UCV’s attempt to discredit the town reads on her

both of them were very insistent I was town from what I remember.

Nvm thats not true. UC started backtracking on that TR on me when people started questioning my alignment and FMFT I think never even mentioned me.

[Noraa]

It could also be a sign that UCV slot/Max are partners

honestly it feels SvT but maybe im seriously just confbiasing since VFP is acting like a damn jester.

[Noraa]

It could also be a sign that UCV slot/Max are partners

honestly it feels SvT but maybe im seriously just confbiasing since VFP is acting like a damn jester.

[Noraa]

Gamma do you agree with my read on Fenny?

[Noraa]

Thoughts on Ita and mon?

[Noraa]

They didn’t really townping early, italy has done so more recently, but idk if either of them are scum, it’s currently just theoretical off of thinking one scum is probably more active than the rest

I have a thought! I think Ita is probably town. I have sliiiight reservations on this read.
But that one post that he wrote that set me off. I think its a town tell.
I think scum would be more careful to be on town's good sides.
The issue is that maybe he legitimately just didn't think much about it cuz he thought it sounded fine.
But overall, I still think its probably a town tell anyways.

[Noraa]

What’s your read on Andres rn, Noraa?

still scum :/

[Noraa]

towny arrogance

I dont think thats AI at this point. its seems like a personality trait ....

[Noraa]

i don't think VFP is scum here but i'll keep looking just in case

what's the case against VFP

Kill all jesters.

[Noraa]

This has nothing whatsoever to do with the game but I'm going to be vla for one week!
Because ap exams.
However, Sam send me the prod messages according to the rules and I'll pick them up.
Since I'll be gone a week and it's vla status, I should only pick up 2 prods at most depending on your rules.
I'll read some stuff and post some content when prodded but thats all we're getting from me before my exams.
June 6-10 are days that I 100% will not reply to anything. Replace me if thats an issue. Any other day and I can pick up a prod!

@mod

Ig I'll send this by pm too so the mod sees it.

[Noraa]

Subject: Mini Normal 2213 Mafia PT

Sure. I think noraa might be the obvious ill.

I think it would be better to keep Noraa alive as long as possible so the town can execute her. Everyone thinks she’s town now but the longer she stays alive more people will start to question. A couple of people already think she could be scum.

What do you think of Lukewarm, Save the Dragons, or Dunnstral?

This aged well

[Noraa]

I kinda just think that Kyoto was obvtown and max was obvscum but I wouldn't have turned on Ita most likely. I had my suspicions and its an issue but I do always TR him damnit @_@

[Noraa]

What a game! I'm sure Max learned a lot and she reminds me of myself in my first few scum games. ahhhh good memories!

I'm super happy with what I've learned this game. This game hit so deep in my soul wow. I'm happy with what I've learned.
GG GUYS!! TY SAM UR THE BEST <3333
And also don't release my note pt TYY

[Noraa]

and who are you? FMFT?

[Noraa]

How did we still almost lose when the town killed their own cop/JK day 1 and then a VT practically threw this?

I really don't approve of people saying Kyoto threw this omg! I will go to bat for Kyoto. Although not the best play, he was screaming obvtown there! Scum don't do gambits like that unless they're like very very close to dying. That is scummy when you look at it surface level but no scum ever would do something that suicidal out of the blue!! Minus a select few like say flava lava or Pooky. But only master scum players would ever be that cheeky.

I would say 99% of gambits like this come from town. Since this behavior repeatedly comes from town, the people that lim it are throwing imo. I hope theres no lim all liars stans here lol.

[Noraa]

and who are you? FMFT?

Yeah, free tea phonetically is similar to three tea as in T3 I think.

ah

[Noraa]

You could read the thread next time you're town before you lolhammer

Lolhammers are pretty badddd. They are kinda game throwing because it takes just a couple minutes to check votes.

[Noraa]

^