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Dwlee99 · Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:26 am

In post 2085, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 1505, Dwlee99 wrote:Peta we have made so much progress together haven't we?

I'm skeptical of a Dunn wagon because I want DGB's head and also we have a Titus wagon that I'm fine with I think. The claim is weird and I believe the role at the very least. I found the "claiming who you would vig or protect is bad because babysitter" comment very strange given that Titus was one of the people in favor of people claiming targets at the beginning of the game.

In post 1538, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: Dunn

In post 1543, Dwlee99 wrote:I'm also good with Andre and actually feel he is scummier than Dunn
This is my favorite sequence this whole game.

You should be a basketball player with so much reach

Dwlee99 · Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:28 am

In post 2089, Titus wrote:
In post 2084, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 2082, Titus wrote: That's not saying you're weak at all. It just sounded like a strategy you could use. That's all. I believe that's how you won our first scumgame together.
Maybe it came off the wrong way then. My claim that game was actually the thing that almost got me caught
Almost only counts in horsehoes and hand grenades.

I was just sensitive because you had done it at your start and I remember the game because you were new and we had a toxic teammate so I took extra care of you guys until we (me and my hydra partner) had to get eliminated.

Yea we are chill I was just confused by your wording cause it sounded like you were trying to make me sound scummy for something I thought you should know isn't true.

Dwlee99 · Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:32 am

There's nothing weird about that sequence which I think you'd know if you read the surrounding posts.

Dwlee99 · Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:33 am

Like you seem mad I ended up voting Dunn over what is now supposed to be a mech cleared slot and also suspected you when the post before mine is Nero saying why he thinks you're evil.

Dwlee99 · Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:40 am

Nero probably is better at finding scum than I am so it's probably not a bad call for me to sheep him from the dead. I kinda want to throw Titus out the nearest window for Nero's legacy.

Dwlee99 · Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:42 am

Andre I just don't believe you believe I'm evil which is really making me think you're evil, y'know what I mean?

Dwlee99 · Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:42 am

No, dragon of the west claimed a cop inno on DGB @kyo

Dwlee99 · Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:46 am

That post doesn't alleviate my feelings at all.

Andresvmb wrote:Not every Scum makes a lot of bad pushes of course, but you certainly have.

I don't think I've made

bad

pushes. Wrong ones, sure, but not

bad

Dwlee99 · Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:55 am

Slow day at work so I apologize for having 50 posts today, gonna try to let other people do things now.

Dwlee99 · Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:18 pm

In post 2111, Dragon of the West wrote:
In post 2035, Dwlee99 wrote:A lot of my read of the situation with Anya and SSBM was the premise that I thought they were masons btw. If that's not the case then my "I trust Anya to read Kyo" comment kinda goes out the drain and I don't have much of an opinion on Kyo anymore.
Wait how did you think they were masons but not question Anya voting Kyo

I thought it was part of a thing to make scum not want to kill them.

Dwlee99 · Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:23 pm

In post 2123, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 2010, Dwlee99 wrote:I'm not even claiming I have a great handle on the game
I'm old enough to remember when you were singularly obsessed with scum reading me for not liking my avatar color scheme.

When was this?

Dwlee99 · Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:51 pm

@Osuka Post Dunn flip? I don't see what would make it change. I like your point on vaxkiller and I'm fine throwing that slot out the window if we have to. I still think t3 is a good wagon and I want to say there though. Here are some of my thoughts on t3 summarized:

I don't like how T3 seems to be playing both "sides" of the game here, questioning the DotW + DGB + Titus town block claim but then voting with them on Anya is super weird. I also feel like his absence in light of the claim from Anya + wagon on him is weird, like he is hoping he can just pretend to have been gone and leave his vote there and conveniently avoid the wagon along with it. I know t3's playstyle is kinda like it has been this game, but I think trying to lurk through pressure is super scummy and made even worse by the fact that he is voting a slot that claims town power role and who I believe. If we could force t3 back into the game at least to lock him into a claim that would be great.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:20 am

Spoiler: big quote Osuka

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:06 am

T3 if that's all you have to say I'm pretty sure you're scum.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:15 am

It is day 2.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:18 am

Sheep me vote t3.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:03 am

Hammering this is a scum claim.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:04 am

Why is anyone still voting on this wagon? Anya can try to prove her role tonight and if it's a lie we will find out. It self-resolves. Why would we ever vote this today?

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:10 am

VOTE: Rathe

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:19 am

Look at her progression from "no visitor" to "no result." It's genuine.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:30 am

There is more than one way to get a no result pm in that situation.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:42 am

In post 2207, Vaxkiller wrote:
In post 2206, Dwlee99 wrote:There is more than one way to get a no result pm in that situation.
How? Other than scum blocking?

If it was town they would have come forward!

I think there are so many possible explanations that since Anya claims 2-shot we should let her try to action again.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:46 am

In post 2216, Vaxkiller wrote:
In post 2212, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 2207, Vaxkiller wrote:
In post 2206, Dwlee99 wrote:There is more than one way to get a no result pm in that situation.
Ascetic, roleblock, rolestop.

How? Other than scum blocking?

If it was town they would have come forward!
I think there are so many possible explanations that since Anya claims 2-shot we should let her try to action again.
Can you name one that would not involve scum?

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:47 am

It got put in the middle of the quote by accident: Ascetic, roleblock, rolestop.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:47 am

If she doesn't have a result pm tomorrow then by all means throw her out a window.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:54 am

In post 2229, VFP wrote:
In post 2225, Vaxkiller wrote:Anaya didnt claim ascetic. Are you saying that we have a town roleblocker/rolestopper that hasn't come forward?
If I role blocked Anya as town I wouldn't admit it because it would have been a trash visit.
If I rolestopped Peter I would be even more embarrassed than the above and kept it secret.

So it's plausible.

Like VFP said, I think it is possible. Also possible for there to have been a scum rolestopper that targeted peta.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:01 am

In post 2233, VFP wrote:Could have targeted town Peter as well (not sure if you mean S/S).
If Peter/Cyrus is town they were a a middle option for investigation targets.

I think Peta slot is town, so yea.

In post 2235, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 2200, Dwlee99 wrote:Look at her progression from "no visitor" to "no result." It's genuine.
Disagree.

DGB can you just listen to me please?

In post 2236, Vaxkiller wrote:
In post 2231, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 2229, VFP wrote:
In post 2225, Vaxkiller wrote:Anaya didnt claim ascetic. Are you saying that we have a town roleblocker/rolestopper that hasn't come forward?
If I role blocked Anya as town I wouldn't admit it because it would have been a trash visit.
If I rolestopped Peter I would be even more embarrassed than the above and kept it secret.

So it's plausible.
Like VFP said, I think it is possible. Also possible for there to have been a scum rolestopper that targeted peta.
Possible. Not plausible.

Nope, it is plausible.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:09 am

In post 2245, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 2212, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 2207, Vaxkiller wrote:
In post 2206, Dwlee99 wrote:There is more than one way to get a no result pm in that situation.
How? Other than scum blocking?

If it was town they would have come forward!
I think there are so many possible explanations that since Anya claims 2-shot we should let her try to action again.
No

What is the harm?? This level of unreasonableness shouldn't come from town and yet you're green checked apparently.

VFP wrote:
In post 2242, Dwlee99 wrote:I think Peta slot is town, so yea.
Do you agree though that if Anya and SSBM are both scum then Peter probably replaced out because of frustration of scum team claiming neibours?

The replace was coming you could tell it was the case, and I don't think it's because T3 wasn't just blindly limmed or that people disagreed with Peter.

Town flips on these I think town too for the record.

Other than the blatant badness of reading into a replace-out like this, I also think that theory is extremely far-fetched. Peta probably has actual real-life stuff going on and saying him replacing out is alignment-indicative is bad sportsmanship.

DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 2220, Dwlee99 wrote:If she doesn't have a result pm tomorrow then by all means throw her out a window.
You're just giving her more time to feed us fake results.

She could have just claimed no visitors to give us that if she wanted.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:10 am

In post 2250, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 2220, Dwlee99 wrote:If she doesn't have a result pm tomorrow then by all means throw her out a window.
Anya needs the yeet.

DGB if Anya gets yeeted and she flips 2-shot announcing voyeur please sheep me the rest of the game. If you're right that she isn't an announcing voyeur I'll sheep you. Deal?

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:18 am

Did cyrus just...

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:23 am

He's obviously not lying. What are you even doing VFP. Do you think Cyrus knew what a babysitter was before joining this game?

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:44 am

Vengeful babysitter in these hands oh wow I'm so sure this will go well.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:48 am

wiki wrote:Vengeful is a valid role to be used in a Normal game, but only if that role is Town-aligned.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:48 am

I'm actually malding

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:50 am

VFP are you open wolfing right now or an idiot

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:51 am

Being stupid*** don't mean to be hostile.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:55 am

Well "being stupid" is less hostile than calling someone an idiot, so I apologize for that. I'm just heated thinking about the way this game has been going. I think town Cyrus reveals this because he does not know what he is doing. If it was literally anyone else I would probably kill it on the spot, I understand and agree.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:01 am

What did your slot do last night?

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:07 am

In post 2307, cyrus62 wrote:should the mod have told me?

You can ask the mod.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:16 am

Please just stop voting her. This is ridiculous.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:17 am

In post 2322, VFP wrote:
In post 2321, Dwlee99 wrote:Please just stop voting her. This is ridiculous.
Should I hammer?

No, she is town

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:19 am

You can't all be scum which makes fighting this wagon so frustrating.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:21 am

Andre I am extremely certain that their no result claim isn't a lie given the progression. Please listen to me.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:24 am

In post 2338, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 2334, Dwlee99 wrote:Andre I am extremely certain that their no result claim isn't a lie given the progression. Please listen to me.
I really doubt someone Rolestopped petapan or Roleblocked Anya. I think that’s nonsense. So I don’t believe the claim since clearly our boy Cyrus here who replaced petapan is not claiming Ascetic.

Andre please

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:25 am

If you're town you're being extremely dense here.
Pedit: it is clearly not beneficial here to say

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:28 am

What I am saying is that the progression on Anya's results indicates to me that at the very least she is not lying about not getting a results pm. I believe that she 1. Tried to target Peta and 2. Was unsuccessful because why would scum claim that result unless they knew it was true. It doesn't make sense for scum to do that. I think, that at the very least, Anya is a 2-shot announcing voyeur. If you think that is a scum's role then okay I guess but I do not. Her progression proves to me that her role claim is not fake.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:30 am

In post 2351, Andresvmb wrote:But it does matter I think for the rest of us that don’t actually know, because there is the potential here for a bit of a mechanical 1v1 that opens the game and you’re denying it I don’t know why.

There's no mechanical anything. Anya is just obviously telling the truth about her role.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:34 am

In post 2358, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 2353, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 2351, Andresvmb wrote:But it does matter I think for the rest of us that don’t actually know, because there is the potential here for a bit of a mechanical 1v1 that opens the game and you’re denying it I don’t know why.
There's no mechanical anything. Anya is just obviously telling the truth about her role.
If she didn’t get a result, there’s a reason for it. Either petapan / cyrus is lying about their role (and they’re Ascetic), or someone was RB’ed/RS’ed. That’s what I’m hinting at.

Can someone quote me cyrus’ claim again?

Yeah sure and I think that happened based on how Anya's progression looks.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:39 am

Cyrus can you ask the mod what your last night's action was?

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:54 am

Cyrus, you said you get a protect action at night and a vigilante shot, correct?

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:53 am

That confuses me. How can you kill and protect the same person? You said you're combined vigilante and babysitter, right?

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:15 pm

In post 2393, Rathe wrote:
In post 2391, Dwlee99 wrote:How can you kill and protect the same person?
only if they get killed

Well, no, because the protect applies to the vigilante kill I would think. Wait, y'all, if we kill the babysitter enabler then cyrus becomes a vigilante.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:18 pm

They shoot their target and also protect them from one kill. That cancels out unless there is a macho modifier.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:24 pm

In post 2399, Rathe wrote:
In post 2397, Dwlee99 wrote:They shoot their target and also protect them from one kill. That cancels out unless there is a macho modifier.
i think u r looking at it wrong cyrus can protect a target but if he dies the target dies with him he can also use his vigilante kill to kill someone they r not the same

He claimed the combined modifier

In post 2291, cyrus62 wrote:town vengeful combind vig babysiter. sounds awesome . its like given me a shotgun.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:25 pm

My point is that if cyrus targets someone he shoots them and protects them from that same kill. If scum target that person for a night kill as well it does nothing.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:27 pm

Now this is kind of crazy but if we want to we could mech-yeet Titus to make Cyrus into just a vengeful vigilante and leash his kills.

Rathe wrote:vengeful only happens if he is voted out the vig is a night action n babysitter is protective unless he is nightkilled

I don't understand how this relates to what I am saying.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:29 pm

Read the combined modifier description. What you're thinking of would be a vigilante babysitter, which can only use one action each night.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:23 pm

In post 2418, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 2404, Dwlee99 wrote:Now this is kind of crazy but if we want to we could mech-yeet Titus to make Cyrus into just a vengeful vigilante and leash his kills.
Let's not.

You don't want a vigilante? I want a vigilante.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:45 pm

In post 2440, Dragon of the West wrote:Is a babysitter automatically town-aligned?

I don't think so but the vengeful modifier would imply town.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:28 pm

I don't think Cyrus is evil, no.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:29 pm

Oh vigilante can't be scum-aligned so that part would also have to be fake.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:37 pm

I don't know if I've had a single correct scumread this game so if you make a convincing case on anyone that isn't Anya I'd be tempted to swing there. Refuse to join Anya wagon because I completely believe her role claim and announcing modifier should work itself out.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:15 pm

In post 2483, osuka wrote:to clear up everything the claim is that of a combined babysitter vig, which i personally think is fucking insane and if it was nrg approved then they're definitely out to fuck with everyone's minds

that said the way that role _would_ work is it would work as a babysitter, because babysitter protects from the vig kill and from any other kills (other than that of a strongman) - UNLESS the target has a macho modifier, in which case they actually just die

Babysitter only protects from one kill, not all.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:15 pm

Thank you t3 for unvoting here this wagon is absolutely ridiculous and I'm malding it's going through.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:33 pm

No VFP you shouldn't. As Kyo said her role can hopefully be used tonight.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:51 pm

@DGB @Titus @DotW can you at least indulge me and let Anya action tonight? Pick a pool of people to wagon in and we can discuss other options

Dwlee99 · Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:37 am

If y'all (Anya + Kyo} are masons please just say it now otherwise Kyo claim your role other than neighbors.

Dwlee99 · Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:17 am

VFP can you explain your groupings?

Dwlee99 · Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:28 am

But why are they in the group they are? And why does your A+B thing need to have liars?

Dwlee99 · Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:41 am

T3
Save The Dragons
ChaosOmega
Rathe
Vaxkiller
VFP
osuka

Titus, who in this group are you okay with yeeting?

Dwlee99 · Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:54 am

Also want DGB + DotW to answer the question in 2534 btw.

Dwlee99 · Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:08 am

In post 2556, VFP wrote:
In post 2555, Save The Dragons wrote:talk to me about osuka
Osuka is doing the same thing in the 3x mafia doc game. He's sitting there with a wasted vote not trying to progress the game.
Even the Raithe vote was a wasted one originally.

The catch ups are just picking particulars again making a comment to look busy but offering nothing to town.
Even the catch ups itself are proving to not really be read and Osuka is getting information wrong.

So are we good with throwing him off the train?

Dwlee99 · Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:28 am

In post 2534, Dwlee99 wrote:T3
Save The Dragons
ChaosOmega
Rathe
Vaxkiller
VFP
osuka

Titus, who in this group are you okay with yeeting?

@rathe this was my list of acceptable yeets for me

Dwlee99 · Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:18 am

In post 2579, Dragon of the West wrote:
In post 2534, Dwlee99 wrote:T3
Save The Dragons
ChaosOmega
Rathe
Vaxkiller
VFP
osuka

Titus, who in this group are you okay with yeeting?
Are you really not interested in the "neighborhood"? I at least want to see what Anya says now.

As for the people you listed I already made a post saying who I'm open to pushing. I feel like I could probably be convinced to lim most of that list if we had to just to get a lim through. I'm honestly suspicious of your slot

I trust Anya's role and I don't think it is a scum role so I don't want to kill her. Kyouko sounds townie by tone even though the content has been lacking.

What are your thoughts on Osuka?

Dwlee99 · Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:44 pm

Anya are you willing to vote Osuka?

Dwlee99 · Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:44 pm

VOTE: Osuka idk let's make this happen

Dwlee99 · Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:21 pm

Rathe if you're town stop pls

Dwlee99 · Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:23 pm

This forum needs sobbing emojis

Dwlee99 · Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:24 pm

In post 2594, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: Osuka idk let's make this happen

???

Dwlee99 · Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:58 pm

ugh why

Dwlee99 · Fri Jun 18, 2021 4:42 am

Why is there so much resistance to a osuka wagon is osuka is town and Anya is scum, Titus?

Dwlee99 · Fri Jun 18, 2021 4:57 am

Titus I trust in you to have better reasons for eliminating someone than "how could we ever trust someone that has lied before!"

I don't think you're parked on scum and I think the claim is legit.

Dwlee99 · Fri Jun 18, 2021 5:01 am

In post 2626, Titus wrote:
In post 2625, Dwlee99 wrote:Titus I trust in you to have better reasons for eliminating someone than "how could we ever trust someone that has lied before!"

I don't think you're parked on scum and I think the claim is legit.
Based on what?

No visitors -> no result

In post 2627, Rathe wrote:
In post 2619, Dwlee99 wrote:Why is there so much resistance to a osuka wagon is osuka is town and Anya is scum, Titus?
i think its the other way around

Anya got to E-1??

Dwlee99 · Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:16 am

In post 2634, cyrus62 wrote:you dont confuse night actions. it would have said you have no result. plain as day.

No result is very easily confusable with "No one visited" or something similar. The wiki even has a clarification on things about how not seeing anyone isn't the same as no result.

Dwlee99 · Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:08 am

In post 2643, cyrus62 wrote:
In post 2636, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 2634, cyrus62 wrote:you dont confuse night actions. it would have said you have no result. plain as day.
No result is very easily confusable with "No one visited" or something similar. The wiki even has a clarification on things about how not seeing anyone isn't the same as no result.
i think your defending here means your scum. i have already decided on who im babying siting tonight.

cyrus what are you even doing?

Dwlee99 · Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:48 am

That would be to not visit me tonight tyvm

Dwlee99 · Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:09 am

Dwlee99 · Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:43 am

What if everyone voting you is just town? It's happened before.

Dwlee99 · Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:44 am

Also Cyrus, can you promise me to just no action. I'm 99% sure you're just going to target town and if you no action scum aren't going to shoot you.

Dwlee99 · Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:45 am

Also Osuka tell me who is scum cause honestly I'm just working from a PoE right now and your name stuck out cause I haven't seen you do anything.

Dwlee99 · Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:47 am

Or at least, I have no recollection of it because I feel like we have been stuck on an island of pain this entire day phase. Given that apathy is what scum want, seeing people just hardly talk makes me want to throw them into the waves.

Dwlee99 · Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:54 am

Cyrus I am guaranteeing you that no one is night killing you unless you bring down another townie with yourself. There is no point in trying to hunt scum with your role because you are going to say in thread "I am targeting this person" and if it is a townie you are both dying.

Dwlee99 · Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:13 pm

UNVOTE:

Dwlee99 · Fri Jun 18, 2021 2:40 pm

In post 2652, Dwlee99 wrote:lol

btw this lol is me denying it

Dwlee99 · Fri Jun 18, 2021 3:19 pm

Dgb I'm astounded you would say something so mean

Dwlee99 · Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:35 am

In post 2683, VFP wrote:I guess Dwlee is happy for us to go back and lim Anya over Osuka at this point?
Otherwise I don't get the unvote.

I'm just super apathetic right now. If Cyrus is targeting me I'm dead tonight anyway and I don't think anyone cares to listen to me. DGB's day play should be getting it thrown out a window but apparently we have a clear on the slot and I don't know who is scum because I feel like engagement levels with the game are nonexistent.

Dwlee99 · Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:40 am

And the fact that DGB/Titus if town are just being extremely obtuse here is so frustrating for me, which is why I am honestly hoping DotW/DGB are just gambiting masons or something because it makea this game make more sense. I know peta was saying "do you think scum plays like that" referring to them just all buddying and pushing together in their town block but honestly maybe? I don't see anything to townread anyone in those slots by day play, only the fact that we have a supposed mech clear in there.

And the Nero kill makes perfect sense now because he was one of the only people keeping the game going and was one of the only people who would be catching anyone. Maybe I need to reread day one to refresh my reads but I just feel like no move here is correct.

VFP wrote:I mean, I've been listening to you.

Yea I appreciate that but honestly you should only do it wrt the Anya situation because the only thing I feel confident in this game is that Anya is telling the truth when she says she got no result on Peta because the progression is exactly like someone who was asked "make sure you read the right thing in your pm" and they said "o I misread."

Dwlee99 · Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:44 am

And honestly maybe Anya is a scum voyeur or something stupid like that but is Gypyx that mean to us?

Wanna point out also that Titus' logic is making zero sense and she has just been death tunneling this Anya/kill neighbors thing. I know that she can do it as town, but the way she is going about it makes me feel super bad about her slot this game. Like "how could we ever trust her about the no result if she lied about neighbors" is such a terrible line of reasoning and feels made up.

Dwlee99 · Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:45 am

In post 2687, Dwlee99 wrote:gambiting masons

And by this I meant scum pretending to clear DGB, not actual masons.

Dwlee99 · Sat Jun 19, 2021 1:05 am

In post 2692, cyrus62 wrote:i wont state who i plan on visiting. but would not mind a list of scummy players. as of now i have a target though

You might as well say it's me if you're being this obvious.

Dwlee99 · Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:37 am

In post 2696, Dragon of the West wrote:
In post 2658, Dwlee99 wrote:Also Cyrus, can you promise me to just no action. I'm 99% sure you're just going to target town and if you no action scum aren't going to shoot you.
If anything, wouldn't Cyrus doing no action be the perfect time for scum to NK him? Then there's no risk to accidentally killing scum and you remove someone that could become a vig if the enabler (assuming there is one) is removed. And you remove someone that could more easily babysit scum so you can't NK them as the game gets smaller

No one is night killing Cyrus to night kill Cyrus.

Dragon of the West wrote:Bottom line for me right now is Anya made weird lies, hasn't produced meaningful game content, hasn't explained any of her plays or provided meaningful reasoning for them, and has been a total negative for the town. At the minimum, sorting her slot might give us some clarity on wtf is going on with her, Kyo, and you as their relentless defender. She's playing the exact style you're saying helps scum: unengaged, limited posts, not much meaningful content to help sort If she's town, she needs to be more convincing or explain herself more or something. Her slot has caused so much distraction and confusion and produced nothing but anti-town gameplay. Popping in to go "X is wolf" every now and again isn't helping town
VOTE: Anya

I don't think flipping Anya is going to help you sort my slot at all. If she flips town y'all will say I'm evil because I must've known she was town because I'm scum, or if she flips scum I'm scum for defending her so hard.

Dwlee99 · Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:45 am

Cyrus if you target me I'm going to die and it's not because I'm evil. I know you're town so just don't kill townies thanks

Dwlee99 · Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:09 am

Because everything you're saying is that you're going to target me and if you do that I will die

Dwlee99 · Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:06 am

In post 1976, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1974, Titus wrote:
In post 1972, Dwlee99 wrote:Titus I think you're extremely wrong on your read of that claim.
Why?
Do you think she is scum announcing voyeur??

In post 2256, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 2250, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 2220, Dwlee99 wrote:If she doesn't have a result pm tomorrow then by all means throw her out a window.
Anya needs the yeet.
DGB if Anya gets yeeted and she flips 2-shot announcing voyeur please sheep me the rest of the game. If you're right that she isn't an announcing voyeur I'll sheep you. Deal?

In post 2349, Dwlee99 wrote:What I am saying is that the progression on Anya's results indicates to me that at the very least she is not lying about not getting a results pm. I believe that she 1. Tried to target Peta and 2. Was unsuccessful because why would scum claim that result unless they knew it was true. It doesn't make sense for scum to do that. I think, that at the very least, Anya is a 2-shot announcing voyeur. If you think that is a scum's role then okay I guess but I do not. Her progression proves to me that her role claim is not fake.

@DGB I've been saying that "if Anya is scum she has to be a voyeur" and you just sat there calling the role claim a lie and saying that the progression means nothing. If we agree that she is a voyeur but you think she's scum anyway it's one thing, but if you think the claim is just a flat-out lie I have big problems.

Dwlee99 · Sun Jun 20, 2021 1:10 am

VOTE: VFP

Dwlee99 · Sun Jun 20, 2021 1:11 am

Wait, total brain fart, meant to do this (just woke up)
VOTE: Osuka

Dwlee99 · Sun Jun 20, 2021 5:14 am

I typed the wrong name because I woke up thirty seconds before posting that.

Dwlee99 · Sun Jun 20, 2021 10:15 am

I told you it's a poe and I don't know what to do except for that. I agree rathe is scummy but really a bunch of people agreed that they'd be fine with throwing you off a roof and I feel fine with it as well. I think SSBM and Anya are flipping green non-neighbor. Idk if you saw but Kyouko said there was no neighborhood.

Dwlee99 · Sun Jun 20, 2021 10:23 am

Kyo said he thought Anya was a mason. Idk what Anya was doing.

Dwlee99 · Sun Jun 20, 2021 4:55 pm

In post 13, Anya wrote:i'm a mason but no one else is in the topic

is it possible to have only 1?

Dwlee99 · Sun Jun 20, 2021 4:59 pm

That's e-1

Dwlee99 · Sun Jun 20, 2021 5:09 pm

Oh yea I had a shower thought about Osuka's posting:

In post 2744, osuka wrote:
In post 2659, Dwlee99 wrote:Also Osuka tell me who is scum cause honestly I'm just working from a PoE right now and your name stuck out cause I haven't seen you do anything.
here's the gamestate as i have it in my mind

i find cyrus' claim questionable but since there's no counterclaim, i'm inclined to believe it. on one hand, there was a claimed babysitter enabler (so babysitter is kind of an obvious claim) - but on the other, combined babysitter vig is an extremely specific claim to the point of being upright bizarre. there have been no counterclaims so i'm not willing to lynch this slot even though i do believe it might flip red

This is fence-sitty and looks like trying to set up suspicion on what I consider a conftown slot.

vax had weird progressions and misreps and i'm not a huge fan of that slot. not sure if there's quite enough here to say it's confscum but it's definitely on my radar

So non-committal to anything

anya and ssbm have this weird equity where if either flips red, non-neighbor, i think we can say that's a guilty on the other. if either flips green OR neighbor, that's bogus. not sure if flipping either slot here is a good idea though because a neighborhood isn't alignment indicative of anything

A few posts later: votes to flip Anya.

rathe flips red >90% of the time here for reasons ive already said several times

I don't recall this but I have a terrible memory

In post 2745, osuka wrote:so ive been operating under the assumption that anya flipping non neighbor scum kind of means ssbm is red as well - and vice-versa - but what happens if either of them flip green, non neighbor? what the fuck happens then? is there a universe where a townie makes that gambit?

Seems like TMI that Anya and SSBM (or at least one) is going to green flip

In post 2746, osuka wrote:
In post 2705, DrippingGoofball wrote:Oh alright, it looks like Dwlee is just a townie with a broken scumdar.
i think i can agree with this

i dont think dwlee is hardcore town here but i think it's blurry enough to the point where i dont think i wanna exec that slot today anymore

First sentence that agrees is townreading me, second sentence seems more like a null read and then

In post 2747, osuka wrote:VOTE: anya

dw still hasn't engaged me on why he thinks my slot is scummy so either that's just a bad case of a short-circuit in the brain or he's trying to avoid that question for as long as possible until he can get me out of the game

Throws shade on my slot and implies slight scum read. So in two posts there were elements of town reading me, scum reading me, and null reading me which I think is incongruent with an actual read.

Dwlee99 · Sun Jun 20, 2021 9:57 pm

Anya keep an eye on DGB, myself, or Cyrus imo

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:41 am

VOTE: Titus
I also want this.
DotW result?

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:43 am

I also think Andres is evil.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:07 am

UNVOTE:
I want to make sure we get DotW's result

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:14 am

Tentative solve: Andres, Titus, ChaosOmega(?)

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:26 am

I'm very confused by them choosing to shoot Cyrus and not roleblock him as well. I also have pause on Titus!scum because I think Cyrus' last stated target was Titus.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:27 am

Also maybe Titus' role is town because punishing a scum elimination with a ungated vigilante seems cruel

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:33 am

VOTE: Andres
Okay wanna do this VFP?

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:38 am

Although Andres did unvote Anya from E-1.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:43 am

In post 2801, VFP wrote:Well at least Anya can be confirmed tonight with the JK dead.
If not, thats a scum claim anyway.

She claimed two shot :I

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:49 am

[quote=Wiki]
When an X-Shot role is blocked, the shot is not refunded; the player still counts as having "paid for" their role use, but the actual role is otherwise considered to not have happened (so, e.g., Trackers and Watchers will not be able to see the blocked role being used).
[/quote]

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:51 am

Wiki wrote: When an X-Shot role is blocked, the shot is not refunded; the player still counts as having "paid for" their role use, but the actual role is otherwise considered to not have happened (so, e.g., Trackers and Watchers will not be able to see the blocked role being used).

Attempt #2

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:43 am

In post 2810, Rathe wrote:so u dont think the designers made the enabler be opposite alignments

Typically when an enabler acts on a different alignment's role it would be to reduce its power. So, for instance, the town mailman enabler disables scum mailman, decreasing the power. This idea is good because it can reduce swing in a setup by making a role gated in some way. For instance, if town cop catches the cop enabler mafia role, then the cop gets disabled and can't catch anyone else.

In this case, the enabler actually makes the role

stronger

. Before, the babysitter was effectively a visitor with a kill if the babysitter died. When the enabler dies, the role becomes an ungated vigilante. If the enabler was scum, this would make the setup extremely swingy as now if the enabler dies, the mafia are not only down a player but also unleashed a vigilante onto the game.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:57 am

In post 2815, Andresvmb wrote:VOTE: Kyouko

Why this?

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:20 am

In post 478, T3 wrote:Okay, so we know this isn't some bizarre conspiracy where there isn't even a neighborhood.

lol was rereading that exchange for context and found this.

Andresvmb wrote:Also Nero Cain was right about nomnomnom (Vaxkiller’s predecessor). He pursued there super aggressively, and DW kept deflecting. Possibly something to look into as well.

I thought Nero's reasoning was bad and still do kind of. I think the scummy part of that interaction was more that nom wasn't really trying to sort there, not what Nero was saying at the time that I disagreed with that nom had an agenda to push me regardless of my reaction to him wanting me to vote Rathe. I said as much in my reaction to Nero ("Point taken on him not sticking with it though.")

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:26 am

I was about to quote that for you.

We all make mistakes

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:31 am

Nah keep talking, I like your thoughts. Why can I not be in the sheep pile?

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:37 am

In post 2835, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 2834, Dwlee99 wrote:Nah keep talking, I like your thoughts. Why can I not be in the sheep pile?
Same reason I shouldn’t be or T3. We defended nom3. That’s bad.

I voted nom in the VFP 1v1 saga at least. Also swung the wagon to Osuka away from (who I think is town) Anya.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:47 am

If DotW is a cop claim then probably town otherwise maybe not.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:49 am

In post 2847, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 2844, Dwlee99 wrote:If DotW is a cop claim then probably town otherwise maybe not.
They actively argued against that so that can’t be the reason to TR them.

I would also say "No I'm not a cop" if I was a cop.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:04 am

In post 2761, Anya wrote:i can't believe someone says they have a clear on you

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:25 pm

In post 2859, Rathe wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 2855, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 2761, Anya wrote:i can't believe someone says they have a clear on you
I am sure that you don't like cleared townies.

In post 2856, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 2761, Anya wrote:i can't believe someone says they have a clear on you

how do u feel about the person who did the clearing i dont get good vibes from them

I just want their result from last night.

In post 2864, Titus wrote:
In post 2862, Rathe wrote:
In post 2860, Titus wrote:Can someone address my theory that scum are in the neighbor claims?
r u saying both of them or just anya
At least one, if not both.

Why would scum target a neighbor claim if they believed it? Anya didn't claim she was lying about being a neighbor until d2, yet she was allegedly blocked n1. I doubt anything blockish exists but the jailkeeper.

Neighbors don't have actions, so blocking there makes no sense.

So for anya's claim to be true, scum likely knew the neighbors to be fake, thus ssbm scum.

If anya's claim isn't true, then she's scum.

They could be scum together but that's not necessarily true from my analysis.

Neighbors can have actions.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:32 pm

If it isn't what I think it is I'll be weird champing, but also I think I know and you shouldn't.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:21 pm

Yes y'all are correct about the jailkeep on Cyrus consideration, although jailkeeping peta would not have given Anya no result.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:23 pm

Something we should consider is that we are on even and it might be good to no-elim here.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:31 pm

Action failed is just a more clear way of saying no result. But the jailkeep doesn't prevent people from targeting the person who was jailkept.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:51 pm

On even numbers you reach MELO by eliminating incorrectly each day. On off numbers you reach ELO. It can make sense to not eliminate on a day so you have a higher chance of hitting scum on a random elimination. That's not really how mafia works though so we should probably just yeet someone.

Dwlee99 · Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:47 am

In post 2913, T3 wrote:Anys
is
town
i
think

I agree

Dwlee99 · Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:34 am

VFP what's your solve?

Dwlee99 · Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:49 am

What about DotW?

Dwlee99 · Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:50 am

Right

Dwlee99 · Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:26 pm

We are so far from M/ELO I don't think we should.

Dwlee99 · Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:27 pm

Are there 3 or 4 scum left? 3 right?

Dwlee99 · Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:43 pm

Ah last large had 21 people if I counted right and the equivalent of 5 scum (traitor = 1/2). Yes, 2 seems likely.

Dwlee99 · Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:19 pm

Maybe anything that can get a guilty should claim?

Dwlee99 · Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:20 pm

Er we could wait for that

Dwlee99 · Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:12 pm

Surely an investigative role exists and has targeted either of them. Right? Like, please?

Dwlee99 · Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:34 pm

Voyeur is super weak. Doesn't clear anyone, can just confirm people were targeted by certain actions. Anya also claimed it was gated (2-shot)

Dwlee99 · Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:49 pm

Will you know if you do

Dwlee99 · Sat Jun 26, 2021 3:09 am

Is your role confirmable

Dwlee99 · Sat Jun 26, 2021 3:17 am

Do you have any cool results to share?

Dwlee99 · Sat Jun 26, 2021 8:44 am

T3 I think I just want to hear your claim pending anyone offering an objection to it. Don't want a guilty claim coming out in ELO

Dwlee99 · Sat Jun 26, 2021 8:55 am

Well I'm glad you're only saying this now that the jail keeper flipped

Dwlee99 · Sat Jun 26, 2021 4:59 pm

After a game where I scumread someone and they got away with just softing a power role I'm going to agree I want more details

Dwlee99 · Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:58 am

Not to completely speak for Anya here but "2-shot announcing voyeur that got blocked two nights" is a lot more straightforward and clear than "my role is good if it targets mafia so don't kill me"

Dwlee99 · Sun Jun 27, 2021 9:17 am

I'm certainly not

sold

on Andre, I'm just not sure who would be better right now. Feel like Andre is playing weird enough for him to flip red.

Dwlee99 · Sun Jun 27, 2021 9:23 am

Maybe T3 depending on what he says about his role.

Dwlee99 · Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:03 am

In post 3010, T3 wrote:Okat fine.

I won't loe.

Go on

Dwlee99 · Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:24 am

In post 2672, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 2659, Dwlee99 wrote:Also Osuka tell me who is scum cause honestly I'm just working from a PoE right now and your name stuck out cause I haven't seen you do anything.
You are scum
The players you defend are scum
The players you push are town

Dwlee99 · Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:25 am

VOTE: t3

Dwlee99 · Sun Jun 27, 2021 12:00 pm

I understand trying to "force" scum to night kill you but also you could just do it by being townie if you're town.

Dwlee99 · Sun Jun 27, 2021 2:00 pm

VOTE: Andre
Detour over

Dwlee99 · Sun Jun 27, 2021 2:38 pm

I agree on sheeping VFP at the very least.

Dwlee99 · Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:00 am

In post 3033, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:What's the case on Andres?

PoE? I also felt like he went AWOL at the end of day 2 which might just be IRL stuff but I don't like.

Dwlee99 · Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:15 am

Can you clarify what you're asking in your pedit?

Dwlee99 · Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:55 am

Yes I think he meant someone other than chaos. I think he is saying he townreads chaos there. Not everyone else is out of my PoE. Off the top of my head t3 and STD are still there.

Dwlee99 · Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:51 am

If Andre's reads catch up is good we can lim somewhere else in the PoE.

Dwlee99 · Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:52 am

By catch up I mean reread

Dwlee99 · Mon Jun 28, 2021 5:04 am

VOTE: STD
Sure

Dwlee99 · Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:41 am

If you think Anya is town and I'm evil you'll have to figure out why I spent all of yesterday saying Anya was a bad elimination and then randomly wagoned Osuka.

Dwlee99 · Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:46 am

You have me as an outside candidate which is still meh

Dwlee99 · Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:01 am

I mean the other part of that is that if Nero is right about his reason for scumreading Nom then Nom was trying to set me up to look scummy. If Nero was right for the wrong reasons then my defense just makes sense there (I think this is the case, cause I still don't think Nom was being nefarious in asking me to vote Rathe, and also he wasn't trying to get people off Peta for being his buddy because Peta flipped town).

DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 3064, Dwlee99 wrote:If you think Anya is town and I'm evil you'll have to figure out why I spent all of yesterday saying Anya was a bad elimination and then randomly wagoned Osuka.
What if I think Anya is scum and you're not?

I mean this is possible sure.

Dwlee99 · Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:16 am

If Titus is a babysitter enabler then she isn't evil imo. It's possible that scum were informed of the babysitter which led to her claiming it, but I'm not sure about it. If someone's a role cop/cop I would like them to check Titus for exactly that reason.

Dwlee99 · Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:25 am

In post 3084, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 3082, Dwlee99 wrote:If Titus is a babysitter enabler then she isn't evil imo. It's possible that scum were informed of the babysitter which led to her claiming it, but I'm not sure about it. If someone's a role cop/cop I would like them to check Titus for exactly that reason.
I don’t know why you would clear Titus entirely based on mechanics when play should clearly trump that. This conversation has clearly been had already.

Not entirely, just saying babysitter enabler doesn't make sense as a scum role in this setup. It's the only thing that makes me not want to throw the slot into the stratosphere so maybe it is bad but I believe in using mechanics.

Dwlee99 · Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:38 am

In post 3090, Andresvmb wrote:I don’t think of Vigilante’s as roles that help the Town but that’s my own personal bias. I see them as negative influence. Most players just aren’t particularly good. So Vigilante’s will more often than not just shoot Town.

I think vigilante is a very strong role unless gated less than 2-shot. If it is 1-shot, it is essentially a delayed innocent child unless an SK could be in the game.

Dwlee99 · Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:43 am

In post 3095, VFP wrote:
In post 2015, Titus wrote:
In post 2008, Andresvmb wrote:Ah actually, maybe osuka on a good day. Which is why I asked them to provide their thoughts. But they haven’t really tried to solve too hard and I’m somewhat skeptical there still.
Osaka might be scum. They might have site flaked.

This kind of reads like Osuka wasn't posting in the PT

Dwlee99 · Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:45 am

In post 3082, Dwlee99 wrote:It's possible that scum were informed of the babysitter

Thoughts on this VFP?

Dwlee99 · Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:58 am

Dwlee99 · Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:58 pm

DGB/DotW pick someone that isn't Anya to throw off the bus and we can discuss it. Don't want game to stall

Dwlee99 · Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:59 pm

My thoughts are STD/Titus/T3/Andre in no particular order.

Dwlee99 · Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:20 pm

If Anya is evil something something I'll eat my proverbial hat. Lmk if you get a guilty on her

Dwlee99 · Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:00 am

I could go there, Andre gave me some doubts on killing t3 though.

Dwlee99 · Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:00 am

There = t3 btw

Dwlee99 · Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:03 am

Titus is giving me bad vibes as well.

Dwlee99 · Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:31 am

Tic
Tac
Toe
?

Dwlee99 · Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:34 am

If you're town let's be masons

Dwlee99 · Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:34 am

Just for Kyo's sake

Dwlee99 · Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:44 am

Vfp didn't you hear that they made scum masons normal now?

Dwlee99 · Tue Jun 29, 2021 12:22 pm

Amazing, we have reached consensus. Get em

Dwlee99 · Tue Jun 29, 2021 12:25 pm

How about if we make it to the day before MELO and there isn't an inno on her slot we will yeet her?

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:25 am

Kyo is unlikely scum due to his pushes on nom.

Dwlee99 · Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:46 pm

I voted STD before it was cool

Dwlee99 · Thu Jul 01, 2021 8:41 am

In post 3172, Save The Dragons wrote:it was never cool

Do you want to claim?

Dwlee99 · Thu Jul 01, 2021 9:34 pm

I trust your judgement.

Dwlee99 · Thu Jul 01, 2021 9:35 pm

Still personally prefer STD but Titus doesn't live to ELO

Dwlee99 · Thu Jul 01, 2021 9:56 pm

In post 3180, Gypyx wrote:Titus (5) :
Save The Dragons
- T3 - Anya - andresvmb - ChaosOmega Exe-2
Save The Dragons (4) : Dwlee99 - VFP -
Save The Dragons
- DrippingGoofball

I think one of these dragons is the wrong dragon (DotW voted STD)

Dwlee99 · Fri Jul 02, 2021 1:11 am

We should probably wait for a rathe replacement as well

Dwlee99 · Fri Jul 02, 2021 3:28 am

Titus can you give thoughts on your wagon? I know you're kind of demotivated but I'd like to hear your thoughts on who on your wagon is scum.