Townstumps Mafia (Endgame)

[NorwegianboyEE]

So FMFT wagon anyone?

[NorwegianboyEE]

@House why is he “informed” if no town commuters exist?

I don't

care

about the commuter stuff.

That's irrelevant to TMI about the investigative role.

Nah that’s an unconvincing case man.

[NorwegianboyEE]

We're eliminating FMFT today.

S long as scum keeps dying, you are safe.

I'm just not risking the game over people giving you more town cred than you deserve.

then lynch me if I'm scum come on do it . I'll make it easy you get me to l1 and I'll hammer. I'm waiting hurry up

It's cute how you think you can tell me what to do.

Go on, do it again.

This is an incredibly unhelpful fight. Knock it off both of you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Titus you're making all the right pushes as scum but I townread you because of your reaction to house's guilty on cyrus and you saying that you needed less gambits for your mental health.

Are you actually town here? I’ve been going back and forth on you the entire game.

Same lol.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Lmao cyrus are you claiming that even if you are scum you weren't the one that made the shot?

Yes I'm scum. Lynch me then house d3. Idc. When I flip. House becomes doa. Either by scum or town d3
Because. I won't flip red.

Jesus, calm down Judge Dredd. House was joking.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So is FMFT actually gonna try to play?
Cus right now they look the worst out of everyone but they’re hardly doing anything memorable.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Are we waiting to hammer for any specific reason?

More discussion time.

Now i’m not the type to annoyingly claim we need to use every second on the clock, but i don’t feel like my reads are so strong that i’m comfortable with an hammer immediately when we have probably like 10 days left before deadline.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If Tea is scum. Who’d be the final scum?
That’s always an fun thought exercise.
As in, does anyone make sense as their and NK’s partner?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Really guys.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If they flip town that was really bad, if they flip scum it was still bad but marginally less so.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Where's Mastina I wanna speak to her about Titus

Famous last words.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Just don't rush this day.

[NorwegianboyEE]

DrippingGoofball

,

mastina

,

Gamma Emerald

,

Not_Mafia

,

cyrus62

Mia and Maya Fey

,

jjh927

Moongrass

,

Titus

,

House

,

My current reads.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This game is auto.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Town won.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Elim Titus or House today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Moongrass do you try to sound scummy or what.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It's cute that you're trying to solve JJH but unless there's some extreme fuckery in the scum PR's this is an mechanical win from my POV.

Lim Titus/House.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Just to reiterate. I’m not saying: "hammer X immediately right this instant and end the day" but i’m saying: "strongly consider X for the EOD elimination, but give time for all slots to give input about this idea first"

[NorwegianboyEE]

I want to make it clear that my second scumread is Cyrus, not House

While they have a lot of enthusiasm and some bad pushes i don’t see why they wouldn’t come from town.
Where is the scum motivation?

[NorwegianboyEE]

From what i see a lot of their actions are impulsive and do not seem pre-meditated or in service of some agenda.
That is, they are using a lot of energy on things i don’t typically expect scum!Cyrus to waste their energy on.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@EE, Can you explain how we're at autowin here?

I see no reason to reveal my cards even if i feel relatively confident.

[NorwegianboyEE]

House tries to get some momentum on cyrus, no luck so he redirects back to old suspects. Hydra instavotes me for having them in my poe, but doesn't blink at House's shade...and now the nom kill makes sense. The no kill probably because both forgot to put a kill through.

Last part made me laugh at loud.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think scum has blundered quite a bit, by killing Nom whom i slightly TR but was an likely viable mislim and then their shot getting blocked tonight. So that makes it likely to me N_M claim is real and we have effectively 4 conf!town players + slots that are town by play and i see no reason to reconsider unless my scumreads are proven to be wrong.

[NorwegianboyEE]

can we not keep doing useless quotes just talk gee. if house wants jjh im up for it. but note to mia and house . the way you two are talking worrys me . nm check mia or house okay.

I prefer Moon, but a jjh wagon is acceptable.

No thanks.

[NorwegianboyEE]

can we not keep doing useless quotes just talk gee. if house wants jjh im up for it. but note to mia and house . the way you two are talking worrys me . nm check mia or house okay.

I prefer Moon, but a jjh wagon is acceptable.

No thanks.

Who is Titus' buddy?

I also think Moon isn’t particurarly townie right now.
Who’s his teammate?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Then make the elimination either Titus or Moon today.
I’m mostly just doing what i can to shrink the PoE anyway.

[NorwegianboyEE]

N_Mchecks the other if one flips town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why are people townreading Titus?

[NorwegianboyEE]

N_Mchecks the other if one flips town.

Actually i don’t want to control the actions too much.
N_Mcan decide who they want to chevk.
But point is that i think if one flips town then the other is more likely scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Tbf i have no idea what Moon is doing even if he’s town or scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Either Moon is town that’s self-destructing from pressure and super easy to push right now, or he is scum that’s playing extremely suboptimally. So i kinda want to lean town but i also am tempted to policy.

Sigh.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I feel like i rarely see this sort of behaviour from scum though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

All I've done is try to solve the game. I have done nothing worth a policy lynch.

Then stop asking people to vote you.
Because that’s either throwing or some attempt at manipulation.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Either Moon is town that’s self-destructing from pressure and super easy to push right now, or he is scum that’s playing extremely suboptimally. So i kinda want to lean town but i also am tempted to policy.

Sigh.

UNVOTE:

For now.

If it literally weren’t for GS, I’d never unvote this.

What is GS?

[NorwegianboyEE]

House why is Titus not scum?

[NorwegianboyEE]

House why is Titus not scum?

Because her role card is green, of course.

You know i hate those types of response.

[NorwegianboyEE]

House why is Titus not scum?

Because her role card is green, of course.

You know i hate those types of response.

Not trying to be a smart ass, but I don't know anything about you.

Sorry if that is snarky. Not the intent.

Well i’m asking if you even have a good reason because i want to know if you’re not just fibbing me. So getting an lolsorandom response doesn’t make me feel more confident that you’re trustworthy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

House why is Titus not scum?

Because her role card is green, of course.

You know i hate those types of response.

Not trying to be a smart ass, but I don't know anything about you.

Sorry if that is snarky. Not the intent.

Well i’m asking if you even have a good reason because i want to know if you’re not just fibbing me. So getting an lolsorandom response doesn’t make me feel more confident that you’re trustworthy.

It's not something that I would expect anyone who doesn't know me to understand.

The best I could explain it to you, per se, would be, "mental imagery screaming no every time I consider voting for her"

Considering I was tossing around a theory of her being scum earlier myself, you should realize it's not a permanent aversion... but once it kicks in, I'm sold for the rest of the game.

Fuck that sounds convincing.
I was expecting an awful response and for me to triumphantly announce that you were scum all along but i alone could see through your net of lies. But instead you pocketed me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Scum may have something planned with the no kill or they have nothing planned at all.

I’m rather concerned about this, I kinda feel like this angle on the no-kill is rather reminiscent of how Noraa played around a no-kill in mafiasunny 1, where she was scum
This sort of all-over-the-place thought process just vibes like her posting in that game towards endgame, trying to look solvy by throwing out a bunch of barely coherent speculation

Yeah i could see it, which is why i’ve been reserved directly calling them town, even if i generally think they’ve been doing surface level "townie" things.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It’s gdtting repetitive.
Let’s hear it more from other players.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m fairly sure there is exactly one scum in House/Moon so i’d like the vote on either of them today. I’m going back and forth on both the slots and there’s things i like and dislike from both of them. But it’s never SvS and i doubt TvT as well.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So I can't see why EE views NM's result as real.

That’s cool, you can believe that.
But i’m never accepting an lim on N_M or his clears today. So if you think that’s happening then just forget about it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Just kill Titus like nothing says to me they are town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Except for House's "gut" i guess.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Breaking news, my PoE is still exactly House/Titus/Moon

[NorwegianboyEE]

House and Titus make sense as a team.
Moon and JJH makes sense as a team.

I find House and Titus scummy.

I find Moon scummy and JJH townie.

Conclusion= Eliminate in House/Titus.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Thinking back on it, i really don't like how House is being all like "yeah i know N_M's role *wink* *wink*"
It's like scum!House is acting how he thinks town would act in this situation rather than actually being genuine.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Since y'all voted me as your stump i'd expect y'all to understand that i probably know what i'm talking about when i say i trust N_M and his innos. So keep the setup spec to a minimum and just lim in the PoE.

[NorwegianboyEE]

starting to feel more like moon and jjh

Do you have a specific reason for that?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also i feel like Titus would have posted VCA by now as town, instead they've just gone silent. I find it very scummy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I feel like if Titus is scum then House is the one that's really tryharding to get the elimination away from them while Titus is just being real lazy right now and not efforting because they're scum and faking effort is hard.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I feel like if Titus is scum then House is the one that's really tryharding to get the elimination away from them while Titus is just being real lazy right now and not efforting because they're scum and faking effort is hard.

Right.

Because Titus is so terrible at playing scum.

Makes perfect sense if you don't think about it.

Titus has bad games, they're not the perfect player as you seem to try to picture them to be. I've played in a newbie with them some time ago and i've never seen them be more obvscum in my life.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I really do hate the "He's usually GOOD as scum so if you scumread him he is actually town!!" aka, some nerds argument everytime i've played with scum!FL ever.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You two are really contributing to making this an overly long slog of a game to catch up on.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwe, why do you scumread Moon

Not heavily scumreading mind you, but i've disliked their reads constantly changing for unclear reasons and some of their bad pushes.

[NorwegianboyEE]

so since we "know" gramma and nm and mastina are "town" along with dpg maybe we should let them lead the wagon or the push today.

Yes but not all of them agree either. Lol.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Norwe is not like he's incapable of quoting my posts... why isn't he doing so now, if he thinks there's something to be gained by asking me questions about them, s he had been trying to do indirectly?

I don't really care about these sort of arguments because it can also just be explained as playstyle. Like i sometimes get scumread for not answering questions in games because i find them pointless and a waste of time, but then i get scumread because "why would town not answer questions?" and etc.
Basically i find both JJ's points on you not doing X and your points on JJ not doing X not very relevant.

[NorwegianboyEE]

My main drive here remains that i think Titus is scum because of their play, meta, interactions around confirmed scum, PoE. And nothing has really convinced me to lay off that. So House is also scummy for trying to keep the votes away from Titus.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I would love to talk to both NSG and DGB to discuss reads but they’re not here and don’t seem engaged.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I do like the softening of the mastina read, despite the clear. Someone speculated NM could have a disloyal role. A jailkeeper would create a false innocent on that.

True. But considering the whole picture makes this point redundant.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Btw, the way jjh is talking with me, he's moved dramatically up in my reads.

Meaning you’re left with?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok this is interesting.

[NorwegianboyEE]

bussing day 1 is an awful play that at best will shift the pressure to win the game singlehandedly as a deepwolf onto a scum player who doesn't know what they're getting into

Hey, i bussed day 1 and day 2 consequently in a previous game and won singlehandedly as a deepwolf.
It ain’t as stupid as you think!

[NorwegianboyEE]

bussing day 1 is an awful play that at best will shift the pressure to win the game singlehandedly as a deepwolf onto a scum player who doesn't know what they're getting into

Hey, i bussed day 1 and day 2 consequently in a previous game and won singlehandedly as a deepwolf.
It ain’t as stupid as you think!

Did you know what you were doing when you did it

Yes. One of my teammates barely did anything and was pretty much bottom tier from the start while the other also got heavily scumread so i decided to just try to sweep the game alone rather than waste my towncred defending them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So we have scum PR fuckery happening. NK was an planned buss. N_M openly choreographing his every single move instead of crumbing, two awful back to back eliminations, not respecting the time left to deadline even though i’ve specifically asked for it, not eliming in my PoE at all, killing pne of my townreads.
Whew, that was a mouthful. But i had to get that rant out there.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh and weak hider was my choice.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh and Titus and House openly PR hunting in thread and exposing N_M as a hider for some reason? Where the fuck is the town motivation in that?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’ve wanted Titus dead since day 2.
When will it happen?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Please AtE harder.
I care so much for it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwegian how do you feel about the hydra?

My PoE remains exactly the same.
Hydra is a townread.
Some scummy slots pushing an mislim on Cyrus yesterday did nothing if cement the reads i already had.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Or how about House. As all his posts feel agenda based so far. And they’re much more dangerous since they always try to control the narrative.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m feeling more and more annoyed by how all of my reads are being ignored this game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m feeling more and more annoyed by how all of my reads are being ignored this game.

We need both you and nsg to weigh in here. Gamma and Mastina too, obviously.

I saw Norwee online last night and I think he’s really mad at us. :/

Not mad, just don't feel like there's a point anymore.
my PoE is still Titus/House/Moon and because of these shitty wastes of an eliminations we've had now whoever is scum in those 3 can just buss and set up the last one for endgame. Say we eliminate House and the scum team was Titus/Moon or something, and we could have had that in the bag if we didn't eliminate Cyrus.
Anyway i almost just want to say do what you want because nobody cares about my PoE.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Me retiring is pointless too as it would have just given the dead weak hider a doctor shot.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Has N_M ever heard of crumbing? Or did they want a huge loud neon sign saying: "GUY'S, I'M THE WEAK HIDER! KILL JJH FOR AN DOUBLE KILL ON BOTH JJ AND ME TONIGHT!" for night 3?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mia and Maya Fey are obviously town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

By the way, i lied. I'm really mad.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I fail to see how i'm the root of cause for an elimination on Cyrus that i never wanted.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Is this scum Titus complaining about my supposed arrogance again?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Fact of the matter is that you should have been the elimination a long time ago Titus, as you flipping scum would have either confirmed House as scum or on the extremely low chance you flip town, House/Moon as the last remaining scum.
Cyrus dying messed up everything.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I feel like there are two possible worlds here.
Either we live in a scum Titus/House # Town Moon
Or an scum House/Moon # town Titus world

This is because House feels super obvscum to me. So that makes either of Titus/Moon the super scummy town here that should have been limmed earlier to make it harder for the last scum to hide.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So was House townreading to pocket Titus or was House hard townreading Titus because it's their scum partner?
What do y'all think?

[NorwegianboyEE]

My PoE would probably have won the game if y'all listened to it. Even if Titus flipped town on day 3 it wouldn't have been a big deal.

[NorwegianboyEE]

House is confirmed scum for hammer there there's no two ways about it. Oh and I'm town, always have been. The only person I made sense as a buddy with was jjh and he dead so you know he's town.

Scum hydra couldn't afford to kill JJH off instead of nom because they spent all D1 on his wagon. Scum asked nsg to bow out probably because like DGB for Titus it clears all obstacles.

I have spent a lot of the game taking others reads into account and it's pretty clear to me that Hydra is a deep wolf that house is working his butt off to save.

If Titus, hydra and house all think I'm scum then I'm obviously town. No amount of bussing is going to save house from his fate, he did actually play well and if scum do win here which looks likely now, he definitely deserves the MVP.

Let me get this clear.


...You think the Fey hydra is scum?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Given I feel Maya and Gamma are town, my preferred elimination now is moongrass given my moonlogic scenario.

Why vote Moon instead of House today if you claim to scumread both?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m on mobile atm. I’ll get on it when i’m on PC.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok so i have a big stomachache right now, but my preferred eliminations still House today. I find that an infinitely better elimination that thia fucking ridiculous Mastina/Moon theory where weak hider was roleblocked on night 2 and there was no kill.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also i have a pretty good track record on reading Mastina. 100% correct so far. And this is their towngame.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Titus/House are the scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If the night 2 actions actually were this Rube Goldberg chain of events where scum!Mastina fake cleared themselves and also they chose no kill for some reason then whatever.

Occam's razor

[NorwegianboyEE]

Titus/House are obvious scum.
Mastina/Moon are unlikely but theoretically plausible in some 0.0002% parallel universe.

How stupid would you be to vote in Mastina/Moon here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It is in the interest of scum to take an very implausible event and blow it out of proportion to make it seem like the correct choice. Titus/House are both playing exactly how scum should by creating this narrative of Mastina.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I will BURN your House down with fire.
KILL HOUSE
KILL HOUSE
KILL HOUSE
KILL HOUSE
KILL HOUSE

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Fey
Are you satisfied with my contribution now?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Too bad N_M didn’t play more secretly.
I assumed scum wouldn’t be able to interfere with the Gamma check so he was false cleared.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It would probably always be an loss even if we eliminated Mia and Maya here. Because Moon was also so heavily scumread. And even Mastina was more sussed than Gamma.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I do put most of the blame here on N_M misplaying his role.
You’re supposed to crumb your target and not make it the most obvious thing in the world you’re an hider.

[NorwegianboyEE]

At least my Mastina read accuracy keeps being 100% on point.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I also probably wouldn’t have townread Gamma here unless they got fake cleared.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I did mistakenly scumread House and Titus so i do take the share of the blame for that.
Of course you could argue my reads were technically contaminated from day 2 and onwards considering i just blindly assumed scum didn’t know N_M was a hider or could counter it. And having 1 scum fake confirmed by day 2 is a pretty hard thing to fight against when you literally don’t even know what roles scum would have.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Still though, don’t loudly announce your target when there is no reason to...
Considering one of the stumps already knew an hider would be in the game they would likely protect you anyway.
I would probably figure out N_M was my hider if he’d just said an name in Italics or that one should look down in the playerlist or whatever. Something that crumbs but not completely allows for scum to jailkeep Gamma or whatever they did to confirm him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I almost never townread Titus in any game no matter their allignment so that's definitely a slot i have trouble sorting for some reason.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why did 3 town die in one night?
So N_M and JJH got both destroyed, but what was the third?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Seriously, if i was a weak hider here i would probably do shit like crumbing 100% of the time, and then when outed i'd openly claim to target someone i townread but then actually target someone else (which i would also crumb).

[NorwegianboyEE]

Innocent child is generally an really bad role too imo. It's harder for them to read the game because scum will know they need to pocket them from the moment game starts. And depending on their slot it could have been an total waste to confirm them assuming they wouldn't have been obvtown by play anyway.

I think the only good IC role is one that get's automatically confirmed from day 2 or somewhere later onwards. As that means scum might try to push them as an mislim at some point, only to get outplayed by them claiming PR later or getting automatically confirmed at an point that would be unfortunate for the scum.

IC in general is an role i would never pick here .

[NorwegianboyEE]

Uninformed D3 mod confirmed Innocent child?
Maybe i'd pick something like that as an modifier if i had to pick an IC.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also an commuting IC is just another town stump except with an vote and can be killed.
When the game is supposed to have 2 town stump to begin with, adding another one just seems silly.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also DGB basically not playing and having no WIM whatsoever is probably directly correlated with them being given an confirmed town role. They didn't really care about the game because there was no threat to them and thus it was more boring to solve too.

[NorwegianboyEE]

An standard IC role that cannot be killed might actually swing the game more in mafia's favor depending on the circumstances.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Still though, good game.
Even if an loss is always bitter i had fun.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Do not blame yourself for getting limmed here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The fault is the overly eager and impatient voting killers over here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

and a guilty result from N_M hiding on M&M.

They target the hydra?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Now hold up just a minute here, so we had a guilty all along but because N_M didn't crumb his result it got wasted?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'll compromise

If cyrus flips town, I'll check jjh
If cyrus flips scum, I'll check Feydra

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well, if you had actually target JJ you would have died anyway.

[NorwegianboyEE]

At least it was an obvious scum vig.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wait you think I would be a good stump?

So nobody needs to solve you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't think i'm very good at hunting scum to be perfectly honest.

[NorwegianboyEE]

To be fair I don't see how Jingle sees me as someone who cheers people up in games, I estimate myself to be extremely insufferable especially in situations where my paranoia goes through the roof and I'm losing my mind over games

Tbh i agree with this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You're usually nice though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm trying to think of what exactly it is i feel i'm good at.
Reading the thread mood? Gamestate manipulation? Being charming?
Inherently positive traits to have as scum basically.
Which is probably why i feel like i've improved my scum game a lot basically while my towngame's been shit.