MT 2219: The Battle of Calculasia - Endgame

[Titus]

Again who did you check N3 if anyone?

How is it not obvious??? Xlos.

I'm stubborn and I want hard confirms.

Now we know Xlos can only be scum if DGB is scum and thus should never be limmed before DGB.

[Titus]

The only way DGB gets another result is if it survives to 3 player lylo. I'm not inclined to eliminate it for that reason. It's forced to put itself into voting first or claiming to check the dead guy which is rather suspect. It's more likely scum will kill DGB if we eliminate scum today or tomorrow.

[Titus]

Again who did you check N3 if anyone?

How is it not obvious??? Xlos.

Why Xlos over Titus or Jake? Your reads were proven bad with Toog flipping town. Talk about that please.

Pedit: unless Xlos godfather but I kinda don’t want to go down that rabbit hole atm I don’t think.

Godfather is disallowed in normals.

I have my opinions on why Xlos. My choice would be A50 though but reveal it midway through the day.

[Titus]

Pedit: Titus again this is a theme not a normal. Why do you keep insisting it’s a normal?

I'm in too many games. Derp.

Anyway, I'll have to go any minute. Date night.

[Titus]

The only way DGB gets another result is if it survives to 3 player lylo. I'm not inclined to eliminate it for that reason. It's forced to put itself into voting first or claiming to check the dead guy which is rather suspect. It's more likely scum will kill DGB if we eliminate scum today or tomorrow.

Thank god I didn't pick the dead guy.

It wouldn't be suspect today. I would have supposed you were fake claiming town 1-shot.

[Titus]

I'm not voting Math unless it gets to 3p lylo.
I'm not inclined to vote DGB.

That leaves Wheme or Galron.

[Titus]

I haven't decided everything though.

[Titus]

WTF was my reaction to being alive today.

Exactly. It's just bad scum play. The one person who kept talking about a supposed vig was probably more afraid of that than you. I thought Math was tossing around vig just to create a muddle, but it looks to me like he probably actually believed it and thought it was xlos when with all the power that's been shown a vig would just break the game. Especially after you claimed multi shot.

It's not bad scum play. DGB gets no extra result tonight and keeping it alive means paranoia around it. It's lylo regardless. Meanwhile Xlos was never getting voted out today, even if it was lylo.

[Titus]

WTF was my reaction to being alive today.

Assuming you’re town I think smart scum doesn’t kill you. That would make Xlos unlimmable and this is elo. Given Xlos was the kill they must have believed you weren’t a one shot.

Assuming you’re scum well…then scum killing you is dumb.

Like the Jake kill seems dumb.

How do we have smart and dumb scum?

I looked over the game and I am just confused.

Jake was likely killed because he was the biggest proponent of not eliminating A50.

[Titus]

Right now, I have my favorite vote as I have some reason to argue everyone else is town (no matter how flimsy). I want to watch and predict to see what my suspect does.

I have two theories. If we survive today and flip my main suspect, then tomorrow becomes a game of wifom of which sibling to kill.

[Titus]

Titus where is your VCA?

The NKA is literally my VCA based on how the wagons unfolded. Before we flipped Toog, we had three dueling wagons which were all on town.

Jake was killed to ensure A50 got eliminated.
Xlos was killed because he got town to work together and was never getting eliminated.

I have a thought on why T3 was killed. It disagrees with yours, but I want to sit on it. I may sit on it until tomorrow game day but definitely for a day or two IRL.

[Titus]

I'm not voting Math unless it gets to 3p lylo.
I'm not inclined to vote DGB.

That leaves Wheme or Galron.

This is an AND.

I am town. If you say you’re not voting me (which the only reason not to vote me is that I am town if you think I am scum you vote me). If you are “not inclined” to vote DGB means you’re townreading it.

If you don’t think it’s Wheme and Galron then you’re not actually positing anything useful and this is hot air or DGB is your buddy.

No. It's an OR. I am still considering DGB scum as a possibility. However, if DGB is scum, it locks itself into a bad position in elo tomorrow. So I'm not inclined to eliminate there.

That leaves Wheme or Galron as the places I'm inclined to vote today. I have a strong preference for one over the other, but I am sitting on that.

[Titus]

Pedit: Kinda sure we have to hit scum here Titus. Not sure what sitting on where you think I am wrong helps if you’re town.

I have no way to answer this, but read my posts carefully. Suppose I am right about why everyone has died. Suppose you're wrong about why T3 died. Come up with a nonmech reason.

If you see that reason, you should know why I am sitting on it and the end game.

[Titus]

I did a skim and it’s late so the only non mech related reason I can think of is reads.
But if it’s reads then why wait?

I am just going to bed and will reread T3’s ISO with clean mind.

Because I want to hear in depth reasoning for whom DGB and Wheme want to flip.

I feel that's essential to check before I crack the game open.

[Titus]

Actually, I did check my work and I'm revising my Math read to not voting him today.

I have the move that I intend to make in mind today. This game gets easier if scum do not bus.

[Titus]

Math, I am checking my work. Where did MURDERCAT slip he was a PR?

[Titus]

I mean imho murdercat slipped PR like I said earlier so that would be a smart kill if my theory is right
T3 pretty much screamed “I am the fuckin” rolecop in his intro and then claimed flavor so….?

To me those are just like duh kills and aren’t player indicative. It makes me think scum weren’t suspected D1/D2 but that’s just gut.

Who do you think is scum?

If T3 was killed for the reason you say (which I doubt), DGB and I don't make that kill. T3 is a known liar about his claims, to the point of gamewrecking. DGB and I would never take his rolecop claim at face value.

We literally just finished a game where T3 claimed informed miller d1. His knowledge was that a two shot cop existed. It didn't. Town flipped T3. He was a VT.

If you are correct, the scumteam must be Galron and Wheme.

[Titus]

In fact it had been less than 24 hours from that flip to T3's claim here.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86800

Deco game

[Titus]

Before you claim scum rolecopped T3, that's impossible because Toog blocked their rolecop.

[Titus]

So if you and DGB are scum then you’d have probably killed him for reads? Like I am not looking at another game at midnight to be fair so just going to take it on your word. Did T3 give a reason for lying?

Yes. T3 claimed to be pulling a gambit. He was hoping scum would claim the two shot cop. No one claimed it D3 so T3 got eliminated.

[Titus]

Murder panicking at A50 analysis.

Catching up.
Mcs response to A50 gut pinged me the same way and I think Titus gets townpoints for this. VOTE: MURDERCATpedit: Hammer?

Edit: Vote edited for Vcer. Try to capitalize the U as well.
~Ircher

The pool is Wheme Toog Titus A50.[context adding: nom's pool for his FN action. It suggests he thought all of us were town and he's right on three out of four proven.]

Oh, yeah.
Wheme has some really easy meta that I'm going to do soon. Toog always radiates scumminess as either alignment so I'm not sure. Titus and A50 I have no idea how to read.

DGB either you're shit at this game, I'm shit at this game, or you're mafia. Considering your join date you're mafia.

DGB's claim is probably real by the virtue of my flavor being second deriv and DGB being first deriv.

While T3 had some suspicions of us, T3 was not killed for his reads if DGB and I were scum. He ended at DGB town and him thinking town on me with no confidence. That doesn't make sense for a DGB + Titus team to kill T3 for his reads, unless my theory of why T3 was killed was accurate? In that case, why would I suggest an answer that implicitly clears someone in the pool?

[Titus]

I can and I have established such a theory. I want to hear from Wheme and DGB but I know who I am voting today.

If T3 was killed "for gamestate manipulation" then why didn't a scum!DGB rely on T3 townreading it? In fact, no one has gone through and tried to determine why each slot was killed but for me (and you possibly in one post where you talk about murdercat). No one has really commented on the reads of the dead.

You can absolutely work backwards and from a common theme. This is what profilers do. Each kill individually can be argued away, but the lot of them largely being killed for the same reason cannot. It might even hold for Xlos but I'm not certain there because Xlos might just be an lol obvious kill. I haven't looked at who he suspected.

[Titus]

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

No. No. Fuck that. I'm not taking your shit right now. You don't get to decide ifbother people are being genuine or not.

If you assume scum were always killing because of suspicion then DGB is scum here.
Then you get DGB with me(incorrectly) or Galron

Which would make Murdercat’s reads mostly wrong which defeats the Murdercat was killed for reads argument unless frame job.

So like some players have to be killed for not reads reasons

Jake the Wolfie was killed for his townread actions not his scumread actions. A50 was a foregone miselimination. Jake was killed due to his resistance to that, not because he suspected DGB at some point.

[Titus]

If the goal was to shoot based on DGB suspicion, you would have taken the bullet instead of A50 given you're more vocal and no one was listening to Jake.

[Titus]

All things considered I'm very happy with tonight's events. My scumteam last night was A50 + {Titus, Jake, DGB}. Now Jake is town and I'm feeling much better about DGB now that their claim isn't 1-shot cop. Plus, between the breadcrumb and the reasoning against mathblade in 1517, I think that the claim is real. Particularly

But then the next day I thought, if MathBlade, is scum, he knows I fakeclaimed 1-shot, figured with the even-night rolecop flipped and the word ODD in my first post, that I was an odd-night cop. And MathBlade!scum would NK me for sure.

This kind of content takes a fairly high amount of meditation on the fact that he is an odd night rolecop to achieve, very towny.

Also the clear on me makes me feel a lot better. Last day phase Toog said something along the lines of "you are terrible town since you're killing me and then A50", but really it's worse than that, since if A50 is scum, in all likelihood I would be next (setting up 3 miselims, a terrifically bad result). Now the worst case is a bit better. But that's the extent of my confidence on him, we shall see if I am terrible town or good town soon (probably). VOTE: Almost50

If this works out we confirm Wheme which puts us in a winning position since I think me, DGB, and Galron are already almost certainly town.

pedit: Hmm turns out you can move your vote onto people by wishing them harm (Titus is on Wheme in the votecount)

Looking forward to hearing your theory.

The last reads Xlos gave was before A50’s flip.

Xlos thought DGB+Galron are town and Wheme /A50 lock scum.

If we keep that opinion then Xlos would think all scum in you, me, Wheme.

Going to assume you’re not scum claiming so any theory you propose that’s reads based is Me+Wheme
Which then goes against Murdercat so like

???

Xlos was killed because LoL elo clear, not for his reads.

[Titus]

If the goal was to shoot based on DGB suspicion, you would have taken the bullet instead of A50 given you're more vocal and no one was listening to Jake.

I think Jake was shot due to scum thinking he was the vig.
I did several signals to him and outright asked him to shoot DGB.

I don't think anyone thought a vig existed at that point of the game but you. I think your belief here is accurate regardless of your alignment.

[Titus]

I agree. But you said you hadn’t looked at who Xlos suspected.
I did for you to help solidify that.

My read is pretty solid as to why everyone died. It leaves me with two possible scumteams.

[Titus]

I don't believe scum killed based on the existence of a vig.

I agree that I'm hard to synergize with right now. My goal isn't to synergize, it's to check my work. Then synergize. I'm leaving you little hints as to my theory so you can actually do your own work. Plus, no one reads wall posts in detail but you and me, so it's a way of privately communicating in plain sight.

[Titus]

I believe scum didn't think a vig existed either if you're town.

[Titus]

Also 213 does not mean Murdercat slipped a PR. Murdercat objecting to being run up to claim as VT would also stop him from being a meat shield. He wasn't a VT but you get the point.

[Titus]

Okay how can I get you beyond the check work point? I am like not seeing the hints at all. I apologize if it is just my dense ness here or maybe I didn’t sleep enough?

I am struggling with what you’re putting down ATM and don’t want to clutter the thread because if you’re town that makes things hard on whoever the last Townie is.

Pedit: I think it does but that was also before I was in the game. Maybe I just play scum so radically differently than whoever scum is I can’t understand?

Think of this like a geometry proof. I am giving you the premises gradually, you solve one conclusion. That conclusion forms another premise for another proof.

I'd be more direct but you're in one of my pools. I know one townie and one scum, with a heavy but not certain preference for one scumteam overall.

If you had to decide right now, who are you voting? What's your team?

[Titus]

I'm curious. What's your gaping flaw in DGB + Galron?

[Titus]

I'm curious. What's your gaping flaw in DGB + Galron?

Why was nom so hard to elim?

DGB posted nothing but spam Nom scum.
Galron post wise was uninfluential.

It doesn’t seem to match D2 play.

Town resisted the nom elimination. Town can just be dumb.

Xlos A50 and myself all resisted the nom elimination to some extent. In a DGB plus Galron scenario, all Galron has to do is stay off and nom is hard to lim because of the pride of everyone involved.

[Titus]

Don't forget Toog did too.

[Titus]

Pedit: Yes Toog and A50 fought the elim but I find it hard to believe that all of the resisters were town. I mean if I was scum sheeping a resister would make that elim not happen.

Look at Galron votes.


Anyway

We should be massclaiming because lylo. I'm a VT. Galron I don't believe has claimed. Correct me if I am wrong.

[Titus]

*elo

[Titus]

I think I would only half claim. I want to see if I am functionally a VT or not.

I will go back and look at Galron votes.

Off the top of my head I don’t think Galron has claimed. I don’t have my notes in front of me.

No it's elo. Everyone fullclaims. There's situations where town can lie about a claim, but everyone should fullclaim.

[Titus]

I think I would only half claim. I want to see if I am functionally a VT or not.

I will go back and look at Galron votes.

Off the top of my head I don’t think Galron has claimed. I don’t have my notes in front of me.

No it's elo. Everyone fullclaims. There's situations where town can lie about a claim, but everyone should fullclaim.

I plan on it but if pressed now before everyone else has it gives scum an out.

So if I am made first I only go half.

Then after everyone else I do the remainder.

We could do a PR vs VT massclaim.

You already hinted PR. So you'd need to popcorn to someone else.

Hint: Galron.

[Titus]

I think Galron scumslipped by opening voting Toog immediately.

[Titus]

*On Day 2

[Titus]

*Day 3 christ

[Titus]

How so? Talk me through that.

After Galron's claim. He needs to claim flavor too.

[Titus]

If you’re right and it is a scumslip, it would have been a scumslip that could have easily been pushed on D4. The fact no one did means it’s likely not a scum slip and is a saved argument.

I can’t say more without ruining what you’re going for but I don’t think that is possible to be a scumslip.
It may be possible that Galron is scum (that is one of my less flawed teams) but I don’t think that’s a scumslip if this makes sense?

Sorry for vagueness

No it makes somewhat of sense.

What's your problem with Galron and Wheme?

[Titus]

Once a role is selected, it becomes a permanent part of that player's role, even if all shots are used.

From the wiki, the mason passing plan won't work. Dunn would just be a mason.

[Titus]

Wait I'm confused, how could all shots be used if roles selected are permanent?

Mod: Can you give an example of a player drafting a role where all shots are used?

[Titus]

Once a role is selected, it becomes a permanent part of that player's role, even if all shots are used.

From the wiki, the mason passing plan won't work. Dunn would just be a mason.

Wait I'm confused, how could all shots be used if roles selected are permanent?

Mod: Can you give an example of a player drafting a role where all shots are used?

Wrong game. Please ignore.

[Titus]

What do you make of the lack of influencer problem?

It's not one if we're all in bad player jail with DGB.

[Titus]

I really haven’t been giving this game any attention and I apologize it has been a confusing game.

Math/Titus how well can you two read eachother

Honestly, not well. I think Math is tonally town but I am waivering based on me being alive.

[Titus]

I think Galron scumslipped by opening voting Toog immediately.

What’s cool is if you think he scum slipped then that shouldn’t make me his partner because if I’m scum I’m probably definitely not making the kills here

Neither of you would be in a good position to make kills. One of you would have to.

[Titus]

For example on this page alone Titus+Wheme becomes very probable.

Titus has a theory of Wheme + Galron she is pursuing and says everyone should mass claim yet doesn’t push Wheme for a PR/VT claim.

So this tells me that she’s not hunting Wheme to see if informed neighbor is the only thing he has which is sus
And if Titus+Wheme then Titus has been doing all the kills

Wheme+Galron is a theory but it's not my favorite based on T3 dying.

[Titus]

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

No. No. Fuck that. I'm not taking your shit right now. You don't get to decide ifbother people are being genuine or not.

If you assume scum were always killing because of suspicion then DGB is scum here.
Then you get DGB with me(incorrectly) or Galron

Which would make Murdercat’s reads mostly wrong which defeats the Murdercat was killed for reads argument unless frame job.

So like some players have to be killed for not reads reasons

FINALLY

I was waiting for the scum to out themselves as to why Jake was killed.

I didn't say a thing the morning of, because I felt I was being FRAMED, and that the NK was the sign of a

social

gamestate manipulative scum team more than a

mech

manipulative scum team.

Over and over MathBlade has been throwing little hints what we should look at why Jake was NK'd, but no one took the bait - especially not me.

At last someone (MathBlade) blurted out that Jake was killed for his "reads" - which was no read at all, it was just Jake being angry with me for calling out his trollish ways. He was vig bait, not scum NK bait. That's why the NK always felt soooooo manipulative to me.

Didn't I say Jake was killed for opposing A50? Let me check.

[Titus]

WTF was my reaction to being alive today.

Assuming you’re town I think smart scum doesn’t kill you. That would make Xlos unlimmable and this is elo. Given Xlos was the kill they must have believed you weren’t a one shot.

Assuming you’re scum well…then scum killing you is dumb.

Like the Jake kill seems dumb.

How do we have smart and dumb scum?

I looked over the game and I am just confused.

Jake was likely killed because he was the biggest proponent of not eliminating A50.

Yup

[Titus]

Dgb, thought on Galron

[Titus]

Tempted to vote Galron here.

[Titus]

I just want to hear from him first.

[Titus]

If you’re town you also wanted mass claim.

Bad form to vote before that happens

I know

[Titus]

Because I see all roads leading to scum Galron.

[Titus]

Because I see all roads leading to scum Galron.

Okay then let’s work off that assumption. Two types of conversation:

Why do you think all roads lead to scum Galron?

Assume Galron is scum and the why above is accurate:

Who is scum with Galron?

I'm not answering 1 until Galron shows and claims.

I don't know who is scum with Galron but if kills are social kills then I know who isn't scum with Galron.

[Titus]

Because I see all roads leading to scum Galron.

Okay then let’s work off that assumption. Two types of conversation:

Why do you think all roads lead to scum Galron?

Assume Galron is scum and the why above is accurate:

Who is scum with Galron?

I'm not answering 1 until Galron shows and claims.

I don't know who is scum with Galron but if kills are social kills then I know who isn't scum with Galron.

And that’s what scares me.

Assume Galron claims VT. You can frame an argument based on that.
Assume Galron claims PR. You can frame an argument based on that.

If you’re scum then Galron would be where you planned to end up.
If you’re town and you think Galron is scum independent of the claim then you should be able to explain why Galron is scum without it.

If you’re unsure then not all roads lead to Galron being scum and somehow you’re being tunnelled.

Does this make sense?

It does a bit, but my argument is separate from if Galron flips VT or PR.

I could share it, but I want to see who Galron scumreads and why for the wifom/strategy.

[Titus]

If Galron thinks he can get out of it, he'll play differently.

[Titus]

A50 getting turbo launched was p dumb. Whenever I've run into a pissed off A50 it's because he's been right. Or at least he's ended up being right. That means dgb and Titus are town. Math and wheme are the team. Which makes sense
No way that hood was full town. Unless Ircher is just messing with us there's no way that 2 p hood both had the same role and alignment.

I'm never voting Titus or dgb.

Now i understand why wheme wasn't resolved first. Math was too busy running interference.

A50 told us wheme was scum.

I want to hear from Titus before I vote though.

Pretty sure Galron said it’s me and Wheme. He said he’s never voting you and Titus.

I'm aware. I want him claim and to see if anything changes.

[Titus]

I think my response ruins what you’re going for if you’re town but let me just say I don’t think anything would change here.

It doesn't.

[Titus]

How does anyone decide who is scummier between WhemeStar and Galron?

NKA. What you should have used to catch me in Deco.

[Titus]

How does anyone decide who is scummier between WhemeStar and Galron?

NKA. What you should have used to catch me in Deco.

No offense Titus but when you’re scum your kills make as much sense as a 100 page proof.

That's a very topical dis

It's very topical. I agree. It's still how we catch Galron.

[Titus]

That and day play, particularly his Toog vote D3.

[Titus]

@Galron, Why are you voting Toog?

Reading last page of day 2 it seemed fairly clear that if nom flipped red, toogs was probably not a rb.

@Galron, Why are you voting Toog?

Reading last page of day 2 it seemed fairly clear that if nom flipped red, toogs was probably not a rb.

And you didn't consider the possibility of nom knowing he had been roleblocked by a town toog?

If nom had tried to use his flavorcop and failed, he could have deduced he was blocked.

I didn't really take that into account, no. But mom claiming bring blocked and then toogs confirming was way too rest for whatever nom cooked up. I have both the benefit of the doubt the majority of the day, and mom's red flip soured me on the whole thing. I jumped right to tools scum and I still think that's the simplest explanation.

If we're not launching Toog, why not?

VOTE: xlos

Xlos has been shaky all game. If A50 is right wheme should probably be first. And toog still doesn't make sense. But a pissed off A50 isn't theater ime.

[Titus]

To borrow your (and apparently DGB’s phrase) what’s the difference between bad player jail and scum here?

Poor trajectory

[Titus]

Galron's trajectory, which I quoted makes no sense. He jumps from why are we not eliminating Toog to Toog makes no sense.

[Titus]

Galron's trajectory, which I quoted makes no sense. He jumps from why are we not eliminating Toog to Toog makes no sense.

I agree it doesn’t make sense.

However Toog seemed to be a topic of conversation throughout the prior posts.

I think it’s scummy but I don’t think it’s a smoking gun.

By itself, no. With the other evidence, yes.

[Titus]

The more you defend Galron while having him in your scumpool the more nervous I become. If you're scum, you'll never be convinced and it's an excuse to vote me. You're looking to tear apart my theory on Galron's behalf and don't like my resistance to putting all my cards on the table.

If you're town, you're nitpicking. You're also judging me based on how you'd play. It's lylo, get the information, then attack.

[Titus]

After Deco, the mods made me turn in my license.

[Titus]

My theory:

Galron is lockscum because of the kills. While T3 never mentions Galron, both Murdercat and Jake's last mention of Galron is suspicion.

N1:
Murdercat was not likely shot for his townreads because he doesn't go into detail about his townreads.
This means he was killed for his role or his scumreads or unlimmable.
At no point did Murdercat slip he was a PR, so that's out.
Unlimmable is a thing, but there were other townies who were unlimmable. Murdercat would (in theory) be limmable if the right townies died. So I doubt for this reason.
This leaves Murdercat being killed for his scumreads.
Murdercat scumread A50, Galron, and Mathblade's slot (although Math wasn't in it yet).

This gives major scumpoints to Galron and Math.

N2

Why was T3 killed?

Two schools of thought here.

1) T3 was real claiming. This instantly clears DGB in my mind if this approach is adopted. I don't think scum!DGB kills town!T3 based on a roleclaim ever in that scenario. That leaves Galron, Wheme, and Math. Math would buy any claim in the thread and not consider it a joke. I don't know Galron well enough to think if he buys a claim but I think most players do. Wheme's the same. If this is the theory, then two of Wheme/Math/Galon are scum. Math and Galron appear again.

2) T3 was killed based on his reads. This narrows down the pool less, but is more consistent with the scumteam's play. Shooting T3 because he's the only slot that would townclear Wheme gives scum dramatically more control over the day play. That also means Wheme is town. That leaves Math/Galron/DGB as scum. There's the rub, Math/Galron again.

Night 3:

All our PRs had outed at this point, so Jake was not outed for his role.
Jake still had some miselimination potential. This is why his kill was much more shocking.
Thus, Jake was likely killed for the gamestate.
He's the only slot that objected to an A50 elimination. Securing that elimination fast means that scum essentially get three nightkills for the price of one.
That makes a Jake kill worth it.
Plus, it keeps a mostly wrong towncore (using town in the generic sense not saying the core is locktown) intact.

Night 4
Xlos was killed because unlimmable in lylo. This isn't rocketscience and eliminates no one.


So based on nightkills the favored team is Galron and Mathblade (T3 was killed based on role here), or DGB and Galron (T3 was killed for gamestate instead) or Math plus Galron (T3 was killed based on his Wheme townread).

Then we look at the gamestate.

Wheme's largely been silenced.
Toog roleblocked Galron who immediately voted him. It suggests Galron knew he was blocked, but obviously wasn't the scumkiller outright. If this is correct, scum!Galron is claiming a vig of somesort. 1 shot vig most likely. This would pocket Mathblade if he is town, but I don't think scum is mechanically smart enough to do that. It could be a coincidence, but I'm suspecting it isn't. Town had multiple investigatives, it would make sense that scum would too. Putting only one rolecop in the game to find a town rolecop, doctor, and cop makes no sense. If Galron is another investigative, he's shared no results and this much investigative power is a scumclaim between him and DGB if not both.

DGB's odd night doctor claim. It could be scum, but it effectively crumbed in its first post. This suggests it was an actual claim and not a fake. There's a possibility it could be a fake claim, but I doubt it.

DGB's claim was oddly resisted. This suggests one scum on and one scum off. Given almost all the off spaces are flipped town. This suggest Galron or Wheme scum. Again, Galron is back. The scum on the wagon would likely be Mathblade but it is possible we had both scum off given the massive town resistance. So the Math read is considerably weaker.

Overall, this leaves us with Galron as obvscum. Math as a likier partner and DGB and Wheme being outside shots (particularly if T3 was killed based on my theory).

Then we look at the early Toog vote. DGB was primed to vote Toog. I'd be voting there. Two votes. Galron may or may not be aware he was voted. He votes the Toog wagon as soon as possible for these reasons. When it's not the default elimination, he looks for a way off.

I rest my case.

[Titus]

@Math,

I see you undelined some things I will try and parse it but your method left it hard. Try breaking the post up into multiple quotes and replies.

You're also the last to claim
I'm VT.
Galron VT
Wheme, Informed Neighbor.
DGB, odd night cop.

[Titus]

MathBlade+
Me the math loving person who apparently has all the value to the yard and makes all the theorems say what variables are enabled?

I am a vig enabler Titus. This is my confusion.

I have been trying to die for a few days now so people see why the fuck I am so confused as to what the fuck you’re doing.

I practically have screamed my role for multiple game days now

Well here's DGB's theory that every normal has to have a misleading role.

[Titus]

It’s quite possible scum!DGB or scum!you saw that and shot Jake thinking he was a vig.

I think we all had deduced no vig before you had outed, barring a scum vig (which is what would take this game from normal status). No extra shot had appeared both nights and no one claimed their shot had been interfered with.

I think scum ignored your crumbs because they figured it was impossible and you were stuck up on random roles that didn't exist because of your role.

Town made the same mistake in Deco. DGB never shoots Jake for the reason you describe.

[Titus]

Galron, with two people lock scumreading you, it's in town's best interest to have you vote first.

[Titus]

Galron, with two people lock scumreading you, it's in town's best interest to have you vote first.

I don’t think I ageee with this post

This is exactly how to play elo with a managable size (meaning scum could quickhammer). By forcing a widely scumread player to vote first, it increases our odds of hitting scum.

If they pick an obvtown, they are ceding the night/game (scum/town).

If they pick a scum suspect, then we have two scummy players crossing rather than a town and a scum. Plus, scum could bus ensuring we with 3p elo.

[Titus]

MathBlade+
Me the math loving person who apparently has all the value to the yard and makes all the theorems say what variables are enabled?

I am a vig enabler Titus. This is my confusion.

I have been trying to die for a few days now so people see why the fuck I am so confused as to what the fuck you’re doing.

I practically have screamed my role for multiple game days now

Well here's DGB's theory that every normal has to have a misleading role.

Why do you instantly believe me here Titus?

I don't. It just says it follows DGB's theory. I'm inclined to believe it, but I don't automatically believe it.

[Titus]

You've been yelling about a vig despite the evidence, which leads credence to your claim.

[Titus]

Okay.

Break down all three worlds Titus:
Assume I am vig enabler and town
Assume I am vig enabler and scum
Assume I am not vig enabler and scum

What does that mean?
(Yes logically there is a fourth world that I am town and lying about vig enabler but just no lmao include it if you want)

Your claim doesn't change my Galron analysis at all.

[Titus]

Okay.

Break down all three worlds Titus:
Assume I am vig enabler and town
Assume I am vig enabler and scum
Assume I am not vig enabler and scum

What does that mean?
(Yes logically there is a fourth world that I am town and lying about vig enabler but just no lmao include it if you want)

Your claim doesn't change my Galron analysis at all.

That’s not what I asked Titus.

In elo the entire game should be solved.

I asked about how you read me, not Galron.

My read on you is that you're not the flip for today.

I disagree that we have to solve the entire game today. It's easier to get all town to agree on one scum than all town to agree on the exact puzzle. Plus we could get a bus today.

[Titus]

This is just an arrogance coming to fruition. A wasted game. I get why A50 self hammered. This has just been a show so you two can have another showdown. Except I get launched and it's gg so no showdown.

If you think I am town, your best bet is to vote here.

If you think it's Math/Wheme, why is this a wasted game? Wouldn't me sorting Math be good for the game?

If you think Math v me is arrogance, then you'd have to take the position that it's DGB plus Wheme.

[Titus]

Okay.

Break down all three worlds Titus:
Assume I am vig enabler and town
Assume I am vig enabler and scum
Assume I am not vig enabler and scum

What does that mean?
(Yes logically there is a fourth world that I am town and lying about vig enabler but just no lmao include it if you want)

Your claim doesn't change my Galron analysis at all.

That’s not what I asked Titus.

In elo the entire game should be solved.

I asked about how you read me, not Galron.

My read on you is that you're not the flip for today.

I disagree that we have to solve the entire game today. It's easier to get all town to agree on one scum than all town to agree on the exact puzzle. Plus we could get a bus today.

Titus you’re better than this.

You think Galron is lock scum because of the kills.

You say I am the most likely partner.

If I cannot be a partner anymore then who do you scumread with Galron?

This isn’t hard Titus.

If you can confTown two people in 5 player elo scum never get control of it again.

This isn’t hard.

So again I ask you, what is your read on me?

Same question. Same answer. My guesses are in my wall.

I'm open to any of you being scum with Galron.

Today, I find 1 scum not two.

[Titus]

So no deep analysis? Titus everyone has expressed a willingness to vote Galron. That isn’t sus to you?

Scum only need one more miselim today and it’s over. Town should be thinking in twos yet you’re focused on one scum.

I have provided lots of evidence that your case is wrong and you overlook it. (Don’t get me wrong Galron is in my PoE)

I think town!Titus tried to figure out what my alignment is.

You seem like you’ve checked out and Galron is the miselim you want.

That's why Galron should be voting. If Galron is town, it gives him the control to change the game.

Second, getting all town on board to vote a scum is hard. My goal is to get us to Day 6.

Your evidence, to the extent I could parse it, is rehashing our prior arguments.

You also missed a huge perspective slip in Galron's posting possibly.

[Titus]

Toog roleblocked Galron who immediately voted him. It suggests Galron knew he was blocked, but obviously wasn't the scumkiller outright. If this is correct, scum!Galron is claiming a vig of somesort. 1 shot vig most likely.

wait what where

Finish reading all of that paragraph. Then look at the start of d3.

[Titus]

He's the only slot that objected to an A50 elimination.

But he was scumreading me at the end. Mathblade tried to frame me.

I doubt this is true.

[Titus]

This is just an arrogance coming to fruition. A wasted game. I get why A50 self hammered. This has just been a show so you two can have another showdown. Except I get launched and it's gg so no showdown.

If you think I am town, your best bet is to vote here.

If you think it's Math/Wheme, why is this a wasted game? Wouldn't me sorting Math be good for the game?

If you think Math v me is arrogance, then you'd have to take the position that it's DGB plus Wheme.

It's always been about you and math. You instinctually scum read him when he is but he talks circles and pushes your buttons so you give him a tiny break and then you think he really could be town. He uses just enough of the Socratic method to get you to rethinking what you know to be true. I think he did it in mbos or at least tried real hard but the mechs got in the way. It's a wasted game because the rest of us are just red shirts in Season Whatever of your series.

You know a good way to make it not about me and MathBlade? Fucking vote.

[Titus]

MathBlade+
Me the math loving person who apparently has all the value to the yard and makes all the theorems say what variables are enabled?

I am a vig enabler Titus. This is my confusion.

I have been trying to die for a few days now so people see why the fuck I am so confused as to what the fuck you’re doing.

I practically have screamed my role for multiple game days now

Well here's DGB's theory that every normal has to have a misleading role.

Could be scum vig enabler, too.

Go down that role path.

Assume I am scum vig enabler
Scum have a one shot flavor cop and one shot doctor

Against (assuming your town and Wheme is town)
Odd night cop
Even night role cop
Two shot roleblocker
Full shot doctor
And two people in a hood together with no scum in it.

This is what you think?

Scum most likely have a strongman/roleblocker of their own if DGB is town. They'd have to.

[Titus]

You could go busdriver or Godfather too.

[Titus]

MathBlade+
Me the math loving person who apparently has all the value to the yard and makes all the theorems say what variables are enabled?

I am a vig enabler Titus. This is my confusion.

I have been trying to die for a few days now so people see why the fuck I am so confused as to what the fuck you’re doing.

I practically have screamed my role for multiple game days now

Well here's DGB's theory that every normal has to have a misleading role.

Could be scum vig enabler, too.

Go down that role path.

Assume I am scum vig enabler
Scum have a one shot flavor cop and one shot doctor

Against (assuming your town and Wheme is town)
Odd night cop
Even night role cop
Two shot roleblocker
Full shot doctor
And two people in a hood together with no scum in it.

This is what you think?

Scum most likely have a strongman/roleblocker of their own if DGB is town. They'd have to.

Okay. Then if you assume I am scum vig enabler then Galron is a strongman roleblocker. Do you believe this?

Think about it Titus.

Not combined but one or the other, but I do think it's possible.

I'm not interested in limming our PR claims, as one of them dies or I do. Then, if I live, I get more information to make assumptions on.

Right now, Galron voting is the best move.

[Titus]

Galron, if you think I am town, please use your agency and vote.

[Titus]

And there's the arrogance if town that Galron is talking about. You try to force everyone to play the game the way you think it should be played. Right now, you and I both agree that unifying town must be our priority. This means accepting all manner of playstyles. I accept your playstyle of wanting to solve the entire game today and I'm not rushing the elimination. If you're town, you need to accept me as I am and not how you wish me to be.

If you feel that we lose if Galron is town, that's just not right, if he cooperates. He doesn't need to solve the game. He just needs to find one scum. Case one scum.

[Titus]

Give him a reason to fight if he's town.

[Titus]

Pedit: What the fuck do you want Titus?

He already “cased” me incorrectly?

What I want is to give Galron a chance to prove me fucking wrong and put his money where his mouth is.

He did push you a bit. Having him make the decision as to who we eliminate between is giving him the agency he claims to crave. It helps to limit viable scumteams.

I am not stopping you from going after the whole puzzle. If I get confident about the whole puzzle, I'll say so.

You're free to do whatever you want. Just respect my methods and I will yours.

[Titus]

Great. Then I'll make one more post and shut up.

Galron please vote.

Wheme and DGB not posting is a fine reason to doubt Galron scum. They are posting. We're just hyperposting.

Good luck with your solving.

[Titus]

It sounds like the two of you know Galron is town

Galron voting here is what's best for town regardless of his role PM.

I have an idea as to the final answer but I don't need to share it as all it does is help scum. Sorry Math.

[Titus]

DGB where are your reads right now?

Pedit:

Okay then run with that.

Assume we both know Galron is town.
Why would I be complaining about Titus rushing to push Galron?
Why would I not be like “Yeah yeah Galron go vote”?

It's saying we're scum together and chickenshit.

[Titus]

I love how Wheme is still under the radar.

He is, but T3 townread him so I'm not interested there today barring a vote from Galron.

Basically, I'm rereading the person Galron votes and forgoing the others.

[Titus]

Whoever is scum... Wheme is the universal partner.

See this is the opposite of Titus.

She’s all “Galron + X” and you’re all “Wheme + X”

And I am like
DGB + Galron
And Titus + Wheme are top theories

Sell me on Wheme

You just mentioned galron/Titus too and I think I remember a dgb/Titus from you. Lol.

Please stop ignoring my request. If you are going to tell me to fuck off, then say so.

[Titus]

Oh, yeah.
Wheme has some really easy meta that I'm going to do soon. Toog always radiates scumminess as either alignment so I'm not sure. Titus and A50 I have no idea how to read.

Wheme is a paragon of meta towniness.

[Titus]

Oh, yeah.
Wheme has some really easy meta that I'm going to do soon. Toog always radiates scumminess as either alignment so I'm not sure. Titus and A50 I have no idea how to read.

Wheme is a paragon of meta towniness.

T3 can say that as town or scum.

T3 is dead and confirmed town. His dying wish was 880.

[Titus]

Whoever is scum... Wheme is the universal partner.

See this is the opposite of Titus.

She’s all “Galron + X” and you’re all “Wheme + X”

And I am like
DGB + Galron
And Titus + Wheme are top theories

Sell me on Wheme

You just mentioned galron/Titus too and I think I remember a dgb/Titus from you. Lol.

Please stop ignoring my request. If you are going to tell me to fuck off, then say so.

I'm not doing the latter. I don't see why I'm voting first here. Your mind is clearly made up. So my vote is inconsequential.

It's elo. I'm always giving you agency and a chance to change my mind.

[Titus]

Actually, I'm ok with whatever votes are proposed or a Galron vote.

[Titus]

I am fine with voting first

I'd rather you didn't but I'm ok if you did.

[Titus]

Actually, I'm tempted to moon fart all over this game, but that depends on how much I trust T3 to be right.

[Titus]

Actually, I'm tempted to moon fart all over this game, but that depends on how much I trust T3 to be right.

…

What does this mean? Are you saying Galron is town now?

It means moonlogic might be the move of the day.

[Titus]

I don't know what any of that means.

Regardless, I think math is scum but Wheme may be where we can agree.

You're welcome to vote DGB too.

[Titus]

Yeah…So you’ve been pushing Galron scum.

So if you’re saying moonlogic then Galron would be town?

Unless I am completely lost?

Lost completely.

[Titus]

DGB, if Galron refuses to vote, I humbly request (or dare) you to vote Wheme.

[Titus]

DGB, if Galron refuses to vote, I humbly request (or dare) you to vote Wheme.

Wtf?

I am clearly on Mars.

Yay for not getting anything?

*confused*

I'm up to practicing some notscience. Going to plan M.

Yes, Hardison dies in Plan M.

But this is mafia. We all die.

[Titus]

See I don’t like where leverage crew dies.

You’ve spewed me town if you’re scum which is nice but like ????

Well scum get a nightkill on the leverage crew. I thought you've been town for a few hours Mathblade. I just am having trouble working with you, so I'm working around you and maybe giving you what you want in the process.

[Titus]

DGB, I want you to keep your vote on.

@Math, You're asking for plan A to be revealed. That's a terrible grift.

[Titus]

When did I become scum to you DGB?

[Titus]

DGB, I want you to keep your vote on.

I'm afraid the two of you are going to hammer.

But why would you be considering seriously voting Wheme if we're the scumteam?

[Titus]

I feel like I have drunk an entire bottle of Angry Orchard and I am sober.

If this wasn’t a work night tomorrow I would be asking for who wants drunk Math.

Calm down. DGB's position literally makes no sense. DGB is pushing Wheme + You and Me + You but has been walking back the read of Wheme since it became clearer that I was townreading you.

This is why you don't reveal a grift up front.

[Titus]

So my last question to you Math before we wrap this up is do you trust Wheme?

[Titus]

Neither you nor Titus make any sense.

I feel like if Titus is town she had this master plan and if she’s scum she’s pissed because Galron didn’t vote me so she didn’t have to,
And if DGB is town it’s so confusing I don’t know where to begin with it
And Wheme and Galron are on the sidelines one of whom is wrong that I am scum and I don’t know if I should waste energy trying to convince him I am town and I am like gah.

I was likely to vote Galron regardless of who he voted, even if it was you. Particularly after your claim. I didn't develop my plan though until after I saw you were town.

[Titus]

So my last question to you Math before we wrap this up is do you trust Wheme?

No. I don’t trust anyone. I just was fake voting to get the ball rolling that no one is fucking doing.

[Titus]

Okay I don’t like DGB voting me

Why do you like that Titus

[Titus]

[Titus]

Is that a reference to that deco normal? I clicked but didn't read. If you're telling me I need to read, I'll read.

Can I vote someone

[Titus]

[Titus]

Titus math pls post something not a vote

[Titus]

oh my god seeing you post scared me

[Titus]

Funny how the very active players are encouraging the player that hasn't paid attention all game to cast the deciding vote.

[Titus]

[Titus]

Okay well my two teams were DGB Titus or mathblade galron

[Titus]

Okay well my two teams were DGB Titus or mathblade galron

This is why if you’re town Titus you don’t do whatever you just did

[Titus]

[Titus]

[Titus]

Going to work now and ... so I gotta go. Not sure if I will be on during lunch breaks people.

Please please don’t do some weird vote testing and expect me to be online. I have very important work meetings

[Titus]

At least people know it can't be you and me together.

[Titus]

At least people know it can't be you and me together.

If Galron is town, that is.

If Galron is scum, Math and I cannot be scum together. Too many scum.

There's no universe where Math and I don't hammer.

[Titus]

Well that's true.

Gun to your head, who is scum now? Instinct, no reasons required.

[Titus]

Ok, Mathblade, if you're sure Galron is scum, we can vote him today. I know it's consensus now and I fully expect to die.

Hold DGB accountable for its result. If it gets no result, FoS it. Otherwise, it's forced into a 1 v 1.

Its wheme suspicion totally evaporated without reason.

[Titus]

DGB, do you mind being leashed? I'm not sure if that's a good idea yet. If we leash you to someone unlikely to be NKed, we have more chance of a 50/50 tomorrow or scum nightkill someone widely suspected.

[Titus]

I fully expect to die.

Why would you die before me?

Who suspects me now?

You and me are now eliminated as a scumteam, so wheme doesn't. Math largely thinks I am town. I think you do with the fact Math and I cannot be scum together.

[Titus]

The only people I can be scum with are Wheme and Galron now.

[Titus]

DGB, do you mind being leashed? I'm not sure if that's a good idea yet. If we leash you to someone unlikely to be NKed, we have more chance of a 50/50 tomorrow or scum nightkill someone widely suspected.

I'm for sure getting NK'd, but isn't it better if the scum doesn't know?

Usually yes. However, if we agree on one or two people being consensus town, it practically forces the NK away from them. It forces either a 50/50 with a townread deciding or scum to shoot a widely scumread slot.

[Titus]

My hands are tied. Fuck.

What are your current thoughts?

[Titus]

Now if DGB and Math get on at the same time and do not hammer, then we know 1 scum at least in Wheme/Galron

[Titus]

DGB, do you mind being leashed? I'm not sure if that's a good idea yet. If we leash you to someone unlikely to be NKed, we have more chance of a 50/50 tomorrow or scum nightkill someone widely suspected.

I'm for sure getting NK'd, but isn't it better if the scum doesn't know?

Usually yes. However, if we agree on one or two people being consensus town, it practically forces the NK away from them. It forces either a 50/50 with a townread deciding or scum to shoot a widely scumread slot.

FMPOV, I want you leashed to whichever of Wheme/Galron we don't flip.

[Titus]

Life is getting complicated. I'll try to be here.

[Titus]

Dgb Math impossible.

One of Wheme and Galron must be scum, at least

[Titus]

I kinda want to chill ax after a stressful work meeting so sorry I won’t just rush a vote because I have to solve which/both are scum to be sure.

Not rushing

[Titus]

I think Titus is either lock town or had to intentionally push Galron from the offset and hope to swing to me but didn’t expect me to be vig enabler. This one seems more moonlogic.

Why isn't me plus Wheme a thing?

[Titus]

Galrons play today doesnt make sense as town especially his interactions with Titus

Go on

[Titus]

I also don’t make cases that’s not how I play mafia you can ask Titus if you don’t believe me

True

[Titus]

Or B> I am truth telling about being a vig enabler and Wheme is a informed neighbor busdriver/redirector strongma

LOL

Yes I wrote it for maximum laughs so people could see just how absurd me scum really is.

Wheme assume I am mod cleared town. Who is scum with Galron to you?

I am never voting DGB

Why?

[Titus]

DGB, do you mind being leashed? I'm not sure if that's a good idea yet. If we leash you to someone unlikely to be NKed, we have more chance of a 50/50 tomorrow or scum nightkill someone widely suspected.

I'm for sure getting NK'd, but isn't it better if the scum doesn't know?

Usually yes. However, if we agree on one or two people being consensus town, it practically forces the NK away from them. It forces either a 50/50 with a townread deciding or scum to shoot a widely scumread slot.

FMPOV, I want you leashed to whichever of Wheme/Galron we don't flip.

Why are you leashing DGB?

Standard operating procedures for an unflipped cop is to question the results and why they picked that person?

This just sounds like if we get your buddy then you’ll kill the other then it’s a traditional 3 way elo.

Can you convince me this isn’t the world’s longest buddy?

I'm never going to outright convince you of the buddying question. It's just not going to happen.

Let's suppose you're right for a second. I shoot whichever of Wheme/Galron we don't flip. I am put in a scenario where I have to vote and case DGB because I am already townreading you and you're reluctant to vote DGB. That's not a strong position for scum!me.

If I kill DGB, then I am stuck with you and Galron or Wheme which means I must backtrack on my Wheme read.

If I kill you, I'm left with Galron or Wheme, neither of whom will vote DGB.

[Titus]

Typing that out, the endgame got even more depressing.

[Titus]

Like him making those posts made me way more confident to vote him rather than thinking it’s DGB/Titus.

Does DGB/Galron make sense

That's been my theory for awhile

[Titus]

Confirming as townish

[Titus]

If Galron is town, I am town

[Titus]

Math if you're here, can you unvote?

[Titus]

VOTE: Galron

Post again please

[Titus]

If Galron is town, I am town

He’s not though

I believe so, bare with me

[Titus]

UNVOTE:

[Titus]

We could confirm Galron as scum then next time DGB is on or we could play crazy.

[Titus]

We just have to be sure it's not DGB Wheme before trying it

[Titus]

I am really exhausted Titus I dunno if I want crazy

Fair enough. Crazy would have involved forcing Galron to vote DGB.

The only pairing that can work for Galron is DGB and Wheme

[Titus]

Please just vote him out maybe we learn more about setup from his flip

Math wants to solve both scum today.

Since DGB's not here, we could take the chance on outright confirming Math and myself as town but that gambles on DGB not showing

[Titus]

Right now, the only person Math or I could be scum with is Galron.

Possible teams

Galron Wheme
Galron DGB
Galron Math
Galron Titus
DGB Wheme

[Titus]

Please just vote him out maybe we learn more about setup from his flip

Math wants to solve both scum today.

Since DGB's not here, we could take the chance on outright confirming Math and myself as town but that gambles on DGB not showing

I think I have my solve and I think the last few moments confirmed it.

Not sure how best to describe it to you but I think I can tomorrow.

Because if I am right I know exactly who scum kill.

In what universe do you think you and I both live tomorrow?

[Titus]

Oh you mean IRL tomorrow

[Titus]

Do you want to take the chance to lock town ourselves?

[Titus]

I was just thinking we vote and unvote wheme.

Therefore we cannot be partners with Galron.

[Titus]

If you don't feel safe we won't

[Titus]

Given my solve is Galron DGB, it's probably best we don't.

[Titus]

What do you think of confirming Galron as scum by eliminating DGB and Wheme as a team?

[Titus]

What do you think of confirming Galron as scum by eliminating DGB and Wheme as a team?

How would we do that?

I am pretty set in Galron so I don’t see the value in confirmations.

Also your list didn’t include me +Wheme or you+Wheme

I don’t know how you got to has to be with Galron?

You and me with Wheme means Galron gets hammered.

[Titus]

Like I don’t get what this fancy pants play is doing Titus

I thought you wanted to solve the whole game today...that's what I am trying to do

[Titus]

We just actually confirmed that Galron must be scum from DGB's perspective, so we can't clear DGB plus Galron.

[Titus]

Why is it not DGB plus Wheme? I don't think it is but humor me just in case.

[Titus]

Why is it not DGB plus Wheme? I don't think it is but humor me just in case.

DGB +Wheme hammers Galron

When?

[Titus]

DGB hasn't been on since we started playing "mcpattercakes"

[Titus]

Last question: Leash DGB, yes or no?

[Titus]

Well aside from why no DGB Wheme

[Titus]

Why was you and Wheme eliminated again as a possibility?

I would have hammered Galron.

[Titus]

Ready to vote.

[Titus]

I have something else that can’t lose us the game from my POV

What's that?

(Math, I want to hear Wheme out.)

[Titus]

UNVOTE:

BRB

What?

[Titus]

Titus what do you make of that?

Moonlogic regardless of alignment

[Titus]

I wish people would stop trying to be heroes.

*pats* We all have been guilty of that somewhat, regardless of the outcome.

[Titus]

@Wheme, The catch is, it doesn't prove anything. DGB Wheme still wins regardless of where you are on the wagon.

[Titus]

So please revote Galron wheme.

[Titus]

If I don’t hammer which I won’t that proves I’m not scum

It would prove DGB Wheme is not a thing, but DGB Wheme can be excluded by just flipping Galron.

[Titus]

This convo makes DGB Wheme very unlikely though as Wheme just stays on Galron and win as we were moments from hammering.

[Titus]

If I don’t hammer which I won’t that proves I’m not scum

It would prove DGB Wheme is not a thing, but DGB Wheme can be excluded by just flipping Galron.

So the only possible team I can be on is galron

I think that's where everyone is.

So please revote.

[Titus]

This convo makes DGB Wheme very unlikely though as Wheme just stays on Galron and win as we were moments from hammering.

This yeah same with you Wheme.

*facepalm* Me and Wheme is literally impossible. You voted Galron. I could have hammered. Instead I said unvote.

[Titus]

I’m just trying to find some way to sort this out without the possibility of losing the game

We can't mathematically do it from here.

[Titus]

Please vote fast night.

VOTE: Galron

[Titus]

it’s hard to keep track of it all

Want me to vote Titus?

The only possible teams are

Galron + anyone
DGB plus Wheme (and this is hella unlikely)

[Titus]

I want to hear DGB's result. I am torn now given how this played out.

I probably overplayed the wifom a bit. Oh boy.

[Titus]

So Wheme and I were supposed to live with Math and DGB killing each other. Great.

Well, at least I'm conftown. No pressure.

[Titus]

I'm literally doing yoga inside a 500 lb bale of loose weed while enjoying intravenous Ben and Jerry's.

I cannot imagine this.

I'm still conftown. This will be a slog. Sorry to those of you wanting a quick resolution.

@DGB, I doubt you missed my crumbs threatening you.

@Math, You made a big deal of solving the entire game, yet you never discussed your theory with me, even though I laid down my cards.

[Titus]

Are you trying to convince me you're town? I have a guilty.

Nope.

Just I am sure why you killed Wheme. Can’t say it.

That’s all.

Why not?

[Titus]

If Titus wants me to case you I will but I think you slipped hard.

Just here.

I'm mentally casing both of you.

[Titus]

@DGB, I doubt you missed my crumbs threatening you.

Which ones

Humor me and highlight them.

[Titus]

I want to know about the slip.