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[humaneatingmonkey]

Who walks into Day 2 with two random dead people declaring that "Oh yeah. That means the mafia team was trying to target town, and not werewolves for sure." I can understand ActionDan, but how can you say that with NDMath?

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I'll sleep on it, Dunn.

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I also don't remember you being this visible in Cook's Mini Normal, Dunn. You were town there.

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What changed here?

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I also don't remember you being this visible in Cook's Mini Normal, Dunn. You were town there.

Between that game and this game, I've never voted for town

Okay. Do you have a guilty on Gamma? How are you sure this is scum? You said you had a PoE but it seems like you're full Gamma here.

[humaneatingmonkey]

who did say that so I could point my fury that way

I said it what are you gonna do about it

[humaneatingmonkey]

who did say that so I could point my fury that way

I said it what are you gonna do about it

but you literally didn't say it, Nero corrected himself on that

I meant that you were trying to counterwagon against Elsa and that's a defense on my books. You disagree?

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Dunn being solid that Gamma is scum because of the claim still hasn't made sense to me.

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when I explicitly said I thought Elsa was scummy, YES, I do disagree!

You explicitly thought Elsa was scummy, and yet you counterwagon against her with no conviction to your counterwagons at all. That's dissonance to me. Where were you when we were limming Elsa?

[humaneatingmonkey]

While we're here, who was neighborized by T3? Maybe we should confirm that claim.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i'm not as in loved with nomnomnom as i was in Mini Normal Screaming

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I've slept on it. I think Gamma is town.

Hard crumbling to A50 like that and even dropping game numbers were more dangerous to do that as scum than as town. If he was NK'd by scum!A50 and flipped Werewolf, what purpose would it have to declare what he did in twilight?

Also, I can believe the GS claim. It was done early enough.

Dunn's conviction that Gamma was the scum was nonsense.

Monkey my dood my bro I love your style but your slip on Dunn is bad, Dunn is trying to solve here and it's pretty obvious from my POV. Probably town

How is it bad? Dunn solving could just be explained as a bussing teammate trying to cement the narrative that scum never bussed. Elsa's wagon was not going to die, even with the fake switch up in the end. Notably, no one tried to take Elsa on his word for it other than cyrus62. If Elsa was indeed never bussed, I would have expected more resistance when that claim happened. Instead, we just accepted that scum never bussed and that they're outside the wagon. Why is that? It makes better sense that Werewolves were bussing at that point.

Plus, coming here D2 with 2 random dead bodies and no indication who killed who, he made a declaration that the mafia was trying to target town with no real obvious indications. That was sus and TMI as hell.

Let's elim Dunn. If he flips scum, check real hard for the mafia team on Gamma's wagon.

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I think HEM does have a point about the slip that Dunnstral was way too confident in what the mafia should have done.

Thank you!

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All the votes on Dunn are pretty bad.

Tell me how Dunn is outside of his scum range here.

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It doesn't make sense because this is a multiball game and bussing your partner is seriously risky.

I know I've said that, but from what I'm seeing now, it's obviously not the case. Notably, we just up and surrendered to the idea that scum will never bus here. How would that not be the perfect scum strategy especially if your partner is never gonna let up? Notably, he scum claimed at E-2 which means his buddies are bussing him as well.

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people who are scummy in a vacuum and I find Gamma to fit that description.

Talk to me about this one. I feel like I have a good case for town!Gamma.

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Tell me how Dunn is outside of his scum range here.

I'm also not talking town range. I'm talking scum range. How can you rule out scum!Dunn based on play here?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I've slept on it. I think Gamma is town.

Hard crumbling to A50 like that and even dropping game numbers were more dangerous to do that as scum than as town. If he was NK'd by scum!A50 and flipped Werewolf, what purpose would it have to declare what he did in twilight?

Also, I can believe the GS claim. It was done early enough.

Dunn's conviction that Gamma was the scum was nonsense.

Monkey my dood my bro I love your style but your slip on Dunn is bad, Dunn is trying to solve here and it's pretty obvious from my POV. Probably town

How is it bad? Dunn solving could just be explained as a bussing teammate trying to cement the narrative that scum never bussed. Elsa's wagon was not going to die, even with the fake switch up in the end. Notably, no one tried to take Elsa on his word for it other than cyrus62. If Elsa was indeed never bussed, I would have expected more resistance when that claim happened. Instead, we just accepted that scum never bussed and that they're outside the wagon. Why is that? It makes better sense that Werewolves were bussing at that point.

Plus, coming here D2 with 2 random dead bodies and no indication who killed who, he made a declaration that the mafia was trying to target town with no real obvious indications. That was sus and TMI as hell.

Let's elim Dunn. If he flips scum, check real hard for the mafia team on Gamma's wagon.

@nomnomnom

There's also a scum case on Dunn.

1. TMI'd what the mafia team's intentions were on their kill.
2. TMI'd who the mafia team's kill were.
3. Saying he had a PoE that he wanted to sort, but went straight for Gamma Emerald for reasons unclear with an insistence that "he never votes town."

I also think we can't rule out Dunn as scum because he was in Elsa's wagon. I think at that point, Elsa's partners were probably bussing.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Gamma Emerald (5): Iecerint, cyrus62, Andresvmb, Dunnstral, nomnomnom

I also don't buy that Dunnstral trusts this wagon.

2 out of 3 of these are his PoE.

Andresvmb is invisible the entire game.

[humaneatingmonkey]

*2 out of 4.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Present it to me.
If your case is good I'll reconsider Gamma, but I'll say it again, I'm fairly sure in my Cyrus and Dunn reads at this point.
pedit: nothing is entirely provable in this game and you should know it, but I'm fairly sure on town!dunn

You can't say that and blank face declare that town!Dunn is fairly sure. I already gave my counterarguments why I think the reasons Dunn is town isn't as strong as you think. You should at least comment on that.

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I believe the GS claim too, but I have reasons to believe it doesn't come from town.

Tell me why it doesn't come from town

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Because it's a weird claim to make in this gamestate. Tell me, if you're an investigation role and you get a no result PM, is your first instinct to come in thread to out your invest target with a no result? There's no reason to think that Kitty is some form of ascetic here so why do that? It's completely weird to claim for a town member here. GS also makes sense for scums to have in a multiball game and when we know a cop has already flipped. It would be odd play coming from town so I'm more likely to believe it's a scum claim.

What would you think should have happened if Gamma was truly a town!GS?

[humaneatingmonkey]

That's a good point.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I still think Dunn is scummy and if Gamma is a werewolf, there's a good chance Dunn is mafia. You might have a point on Gamma, but I still don't see why you're so dead set on Dunn.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I can vote for Gamma, I can vote for Dunn.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'll try to get a feel of everyone's ISO

[humaneatingmonkey]

Can I just spread good vibes in this thread?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm feeling soooooooooooooooo good ~~~

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'll read this game in this state of advanced happiness, let's see if I can connect some thoughts together.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm so high I can't even parse sentences.

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The only person I had the ability to ISO was ActionDan to see if he had any useful insights, but he just rode that Elsa wagon to the end. His legacy was: Stay away from Gamma/Cyrus. He also had a meta read on Iec that makes him think town.

ActionDan gets a lot of townpoints for this. If he were scum then he would already know what parties and multitasking mean from his role PM/scum PT. I also don't think him asking is faked because he didn't do it in an overly showy way and he appeared to have looked at the rules with detail.

As HEM has said, I'd like to think I can fake that as scum. My main goal though is simply eliminating the possibility that his is 3/1. I think we are likely in 2/2/1 or else 3/3 where there's a restriction on factional killing power (like one team is odd night kills, other team is even etc.)

I was on-board with this setup spec that we were in a 3/3 in odd-even mafia scenario but because we had two deaths last night, I don't think that's the case anymore.

My favorite theory is 2 scum, 2 werewolves and a traitor for each team. A grand total of 12 town v 5 scum. (Traitors count as 0.5)

[humaneatingmonkey]

Have we ruled out that T3 isn't a Mafia Neighborizer who counterclaimed Elsa?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Iecerint hasn't still explained to me why he's sitting on my slot all game.

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Because of the crumb, Gamma is either a Scum Gunsmith or a Town Gunsmith. If Gamma is Scum Gunsmith then why would he waste his 1-shot earlier by targeting Kitty? Also, if A50 gets limmed today and flips town thhen that places a target on his back for tomorrow's lim. If he's Elsa's partner then he very likely loses with this claim.

This is what I was believing earlier too, but then I remember that he could be lying about targetting Kitty as well. I don't know if he would lie about that as scum though.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm honestly still at Gamma vs Dunn. I want to deep dive them, and the other ISOs in the slot but I'm soooooooooooooooo stoned.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Excuse me from this game for a while. I'll be back tomorrow when I actually want to play this game.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Dunn how come you came back but didn't address my case on you?

[humaneatingmonkey]

it's because there's nobody pushing it forward, and that has been my job. But I'm still not in the mental state to play this game. Maybe soon. Sorry guys.

[humaneatingmonkey]

But also Gamma, you haven't been pushing it forward. So you have some blame there. A lot of people are calling you scum and there seems to be no indication of you trying to sort those in your wagon.

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Like, nomnomnom has put forth such a compelling argument for you being scum — and I don't think I've heard a response from you yet or trying to see if nom is scum himself. Maybe that's just been my perspective because I've been only reading the last posts that I open without scrolling up and only lightly skimming.

I get that feeling, though. I can sympathize. I have Iecerint camping on my tail and I've been ignoring him because I'm focused on sorting you vs Dunn first. But the difference between the two of us is an E number that is less than 3.

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Sorry if I have a lot to say. I'm in a state of you know what.

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nomnomnom probably wasn't vibing with me because he was vibing with someone else. i'm officially jealous.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I think I'll need to read this game from the top.

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I just realized something.

If I'm right that we are in 2 scum 1 traitor on each team. We are playing in 11 v 6.

That means we are in ELo now.

11 v 6 - Originally
9 v 5 - Elsa, ActionDan, NDMath dies
6 v 5 - Gamma Emerald, nomnomnom, T3 dies

If we lose one more, it would be 5v5 and both scum team will have majority. One of them will win —

and that is the team other than the Werewolves (our theory is the Mafia)

. This is because the Werewolves are missing a member right now, and the Mafia will have the numbers.

So today, the Werewolves have no choice but to hunt the mafia with us or else they lose as well.
We can still elim Werewolves and get out of ELo. We'll get out of even more shit if they killed each other in the night.

Of course, we will know if it's actually 2/2 depending on what moves would our Werewolf PoE be doing today.

I think we should hunt inside Elsa's first wagon:
Dunnstral,

nomnomnom

,

humaneatingmonkey

, KittyTacky,

NDMath

,

T3

, cyrus62,

Elsa Jay

,

ActionDan

(I made myself green. If you don't like it, make your own.)

Unless I misread the signals of our dearly departed, I think KittyTacky is the sure option here. VOTE: VOTE: KittyTacky Bonus points: If someone on the Werewolves bussed, it's probably KittyTacky as well. (Elsa Jay defending him early on could just be ditched in favor of bussing each other.)

I'll take a day off the grass to really get into this game.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I wanted to purposely not discuss this because I wanted to give the Masonry some space, but I think we should be massclaiming anyway.

Both Dunn and Cyrus was met with an unconditional townread from nomx3. So I think PoE will be clearer after the massclaim.

[humaneatingmonkey]

If the Masonry exists outside of Dunn and cyrus, there's a good chance one of them is Mafia.

[humaneatingmonkey]

unless cyrus was trying to go for a preemptive bus, i doubt KittyTacky vs cyrus is aligned.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I don't think there's a chance that Elsa wagon was all town. I'm guessing there's a high chance that at least one mafia is in there, and a fair chance that at least one Werewolf bussed.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Why are we acting like cyrus is an Innocent Child again?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Are there even VTs in this game? lol

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm gonna bounce now. Might not be here for a while. Got a lot of things coming up. Just don't rush this day phase. We want to get really close and familiar with everyone today.

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ITS MASSCLAIM TIME.

EVERYONE WHO AGREES SAY 'AYE'

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Dude we're possibly at ELo here. If this guilty is fake — that's it for us. I'm not gonna risk that.

[humaneatingmonkey]

So, do you have a PT?

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@MOD What happens when the total amount of scum from both teams exceed the number of town in the game?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I doubt that hood is all town.

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Let's just massclaim how 'bout that?

Mason, we need your blessing here

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Why?

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why is that fake bravado?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Were there any crumbs that you guys are in a neighborhood together? Like, what have you guys been talking about there?

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What's it like being in a hood with Andres and Kitty lol

[humaneatingmonkey]

Is it just me or is anyone else picking up a nervous energy from Nero

[humaneatingmonkey]

I want everyone to agree first

[humaneatingmonkey]

...that's literally a scum claim

VOTE: cyrus62

[humaneatingmonkey]

Sirius' finger has just been laid on me. I have been prodded.

I was away for the weekend and I'm trying to kickstart a game.

I'll try to catch up in the next 24 hours.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm back. I realized I forgot to claim before I left.
I'm Town One-shot Bulletproof.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I believe A50. I believe Andres. I believe Titus. I don't think the neighborhood is all town. I think Nero has shallow reads and is likely to be scum. I think Kitty is likely to be scum, and I think Dwlee's entrance is scummy. I think since Titus has a similar role to Tess and counterclaimed her, she's more likely to be town as well. (Same as T3.) If Tess flips town, then we go for Titus.

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Andres, how I have been obvious town this game? I haven't really been on my A-game, and I've been wrong about some slots (Dunn and nomnomnom).

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Iecerint has not been pushing me at all. I just want everyone to know that. He's been calling me out as scum since Day 1 and he has not been pushing me at all — even as I tune out of the game and lose control. This could be scum.

I can empathize with ArcAngel9's cluelessness. This is a hard game to comprehend — I don't know why. Is it because of the role madness element? I feel like I'm playing Town of Salem, and not MafiaScum. But I think this could be malicious active lurking. You should even have some basic form of reads, and not just sheeping people. I'm not seeing any effort of sorting the town.

cyrus62 is a special boy, and if nomnomnom thinks this is town, I will assume he's town for now. But god I hope he's killed during the night.

Anyway time to build this wagon
VOTE: Testarossa

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Testarossa, why didn't you come out with a guilty like what Titus did? You're selling the situation like you had her checked and it's a guilty, but Titus had beat you to the punch.

[humaneatingmonkey]

HEM claiming bulletproof sounds like a scum fake claim

[humaneatingmonkey]

Hello. I'm back, and I'm not smoking weed anymore. I haven't been paying attention to this game at all. This is probably going to be my last game this year.

I'm an Odd-Night Roleblocker. I targeted KittyTacky/Dwlee both nights. Both nights had successful kills, so I think it's less likely that Dwlee is scum. There's probably a scum roleblocker because I didn't target Gamma N1 (or if there's another role that can block Gamma's results). Please let us know ASAP if your name is not Dwlee and you've been roleblocked.

I still think the neighborhood isn't all-town. I think Andres wouldn't have used all his shots on me if he was scum.

Nero's the obvious answer. VOTE: Nero Cain
I will be back after a full re-read of the game.

[humaneatingmonkey]

if i claimed D3, i'd have probably been flashlimmed before having any useful information — ESPECIALLY because i'm a roleblocker. i also wanted to avoid blocking roles that are pro-town or confirmable.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm curious why you targeted my slot both nights.

N1, I thought you had the best chance of being scum as either team. N3, I'm trying to hunt in the neighborhood and you're still my number one pick. I wanted to eliminate the chance that you're Werewolf. Being roleblocked twice and both kills happening on those nights would also make it less likely that you're Mafia. Not confirmed, but at least that's information.

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Nero Cain & Titus:

D1

• Early game Titus was pushing cyrus62 real hard because cyrus62 was pushing Nero Cain for OOG reasons. Titus wasn't even giving any semblance of solving cyrus62. She just went straight to pushing cyrus62 for this reason.
• Thereafter, Nero Cain started pushing cyrus62 after "being caught up" even though he had agreed that the best way to handle cyrus62 is ignoring him.
• Meanwhile, they've been avoiding Elsa's wagon while parking on cyrus62's wagon.
• This has been a summary of Titus and Nero Cain in D1.

D2

and

D3

• Titus and Nero Cain are both peaceful to each other until Almost50 slaps a guilty on Nero Cain.
• Since then, both have distanced themselves from each other.
• Nero flat out claims Titus is scum from another team.
• Titus moves on from Nero to a guilty on Testarossa.
• Nero ignores Titus' guilty on Testarossa and, instead, attacks Titus. (More about this on the next episode: Nero Cain & Testarossa)

Thoughts:

• Titus joining Nero's wagon immediately when Almost50 slaps a guilty on Nero isn't something I'd see if Nero and Titus belonged to the same team.
• Nero actively challenging Titus on his guilty on Testarossa isn't something I'd see if Nero and Titus belonged to the same team.
• I think Nero is WW.

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@Dwlee

, what was that about congratulating Nero on getting Titus killed?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Iecerint got whacked by the Mafia team, but why?

[humaneatingmonkey]

On consideration wolf!Nero probably doesn't kill Titus there.

Why?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I could see Nero being wolf and wish you blocked there instead tbh. Especially because there is only one wolf left.

In all honesty, I'd probably block you still N5 if Nero ends up being town and you're still not eliminated.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Why would he kill what he can try to eliminate?

Titus wasn't going to be eliminated after counterclaiming scum rolecop lol

[humaneatingmonkey]

In fact, I think there's a scum incentive for Nero Cain to keep up his POV even if his team has decided that they would kill Titus.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Still, there's scum incentive to keep up your POV even if you've already decided to kill someone. And he wouldn't be able to push Titus with a team — much more alone. I literally had Titus pinned as conftown.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I don't trust Dwlee. That's the whole point of blocking him.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Good night

[humaneatingmonkey]

Well I have a 0% chance of flipping scum and I'm voting arc so....

Oh I misread that lol but sure. Titus did claim to save her

so guilty

[humaneatingmonkey]

I didn't ignore the "guilty" on tess lol

explain your reaction to Titus when she shared her results and counterclaimed Testarossa then

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'll give this game more time over the weekdays.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Hem looks bad for not wanting to eliminate off the gamma wagon while conf scum Titus was on it

Andre looks bad for lurking it out and Titus was likely bussing one of andre/dw + one of them being scum explains how she knew I was a neighbor B4 I claimed

Arc looks bad for her fake play and active lurking + Titus only revealed the result to save arc

I don't even understand what Nero meant here. I look bad for not wanting to eliminate Gamma wagon? When did that happen?
Andre looks bad for lurking it out? Wasn't Andre giving reads in their neighborhood? How can you still have reads this shallow when Andre claims Simple Doctor?
Dwlee isn't even on this and he's been lip-servicing that he's sorting him for a time now. Barely any effort to involve the rest of us in that conversation.

Arc slot I agree with, but I guess you get reads like that when it's scum multiball.

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Both Titus and Testarossa was setting cyrus up for an elim, so I'm trying to find an angle that it's a bus. But cyrus is "crowd-wisdomed" to be town, so the obvious move would have been to just agree with that if he was aligned with them.

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Nero and Testarossa tho. I skimmed their combined ISO yesterday and was pretty confident that they were partners and wanted to make a case. But I literally have no time right now. You guys should skim it and give me your impressions as well.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Gun to head: At least one scum in Dwlee, ArcAngel9. Last WW is Nero. Mafia Team is {ArcAngel9, Dwlee99, Almost50}. I have no solid reads on Almost50, and I thought his activity around Elsa's wagon and wanting to sheep Dunn yesterday was uncharacteristic of him. I think of him as the kind of person who confidently follows the beat of his own drum. But I have no proof of this, and I haven't really metadived him (even when he prompted me in our last game).

I will be very very very disappointed in myself if cyrus62 and Andre flips scum.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Gun to head: At least one scum in Dwlee, ArcAngel9.

EBWOP: Dwlee and Nero Cain.

[humaneatingmonkey]

@Dunn, @cyrus, @Andre

when do you sit down and play this game? i want to be online at the same time that you are.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Both Titus and Testarossa was setting cyrus up for an elim, so I'm trying to find an angle that it's a bus. But cyrus is "crowd-wisdomed" to be town, so the obvious move would have been to just agree with that if he was aligned with them.

is there a universe where either of them would just be TMI'd that cyrus is scum and refuse to townread them? probably not. but maybe.

[humaneatingmonkey]

But also, what was his incentive for outright dismissing and sowing distrust on the claim instead of just going for a surescum elim on Testarossa?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Anyway, if we eliminate a scum faction today, we will have one less night kill to worry about.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Is there a benefit to limming mafia first?

[humaneatingmonkey]

There is more then one scum left is this your and arcs plan lie to town.

or scum slip?

could we be in a 3 WWs vs 2 Mafia situation and Dwlee just slipped?

[humaneatingmonkey]

No i should be sleeping

[humaneatingmonkey]

Good night

[humaneatingmonkey]

What's fake as shit about that Nero? What am I faking?

[humaneatingmonkey]

lol

[humaneatingmonkey]

lol

Scum reaction

even more lol

[humaneatingmonkey]

I've liked her play. Maybe she's a scum rolecop idk but I lean town

Here is my reaction. Titus knew it was a gulity bc she was a scum role cop.

Yeah that's why your reaction was scummy. You ignored everything that was important to the circumstances of that claim to put on your own narrative.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I guess it's a no-brainer that Nero is the WW of the 3 (based on his interactions with Titus).

Then vote Nero with me? If you don't want a mislim and you're convinced that Nero is WW, just vote Nero with me?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I don't get how we're all convinced that Nero is scum from the reaction on Titus flip, but we're not building our wagon there.

Looks like mafia doesn't want to kill WW. Maybe their roleblocker is shot-by-shot basis and they're confident they can RB Nero N4.

[humaneatingmonkey]

from the reaction on Titus flip

EBWOP Titus claim

[humaneatingmonkey]

What did I miss? Dwlee can't be WW. Nero is the obvious one, you said.

[humaneatingmonkey]

No-brainer, verbatim.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Good

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@MOD

, can you do a VC? I want to see how many people it takes to elim Nero.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Man I can't keep track of that all the time I'm a busy person

[humaneatingmonkey]

lol

[humaneatingmonkey]

You didn't want to hunt in your hood because PoE will be upon you lol

[humaneatingmonkey]

Arc, make yourself easier to read. The whole case against you is your lurking, directionlessness, and Titus' timing on claiming your guilty. Where are you on this game?

[humaneatingmonkey]

lol

[humaneatingmonkey]

Okay i'll bite. Why is Titus scum?

[humaneatingmonkey]

also, what did Nero say that you believe in?

[humaneatingmonkey]

So, Nero is right about Titus because he's town?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Why are you pretending that Titus is still alive when you've acknowledged that there are one more scum and werewolf?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I don't buy it. I think you understand exactly where you are in this game and you're trying to sell a story that you don't understand what's happening.

[humaneatingmonkey]

She literally acknowledged the flip.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Game isn't even that hard at this point. It's super obvious that we should elim Nero.

[humaneatingmonkey]

How are you that confident of your reads on a game "you have no sense of"? If you want to know why I'm scum reading him, read up.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Well, Arc, if you're really that open, read the game because it's there. Not just for my case, but I would actually want you to take a crack at it. I don't want to accidentally miselim you because of your play if your town. You said this isn't how you play as any alignment? Well, give us town ArcAngel then.

On that note, your meta read is shallow as hell. Town Nero always responds genuinely? How did you judge that his responses were genuine and not lies? "Scum Nero would have responded vaguely and dodged my questions?" You are presenting yourself to have zero context of this game. And yet, you are also presenting yourself to have a confident read on Nero's slot.

Here's my prediction: You will never actually snap out of this "I'm so confused" scam and you will never actually produce any solid content. In fact, I'm beginning to see that we should elim you instead of Nero.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i thought i was scum, cyrus?

[humaneatingmonkey]

yeah let's ignore cyrus from now on lol

[humaneatingmonkey]

cyrus, why do you think nero is town? he's in the neighborhood.

[humaneatingmonkey]

also why do you think andre is scum? i don't think he's scummy.

[humaneatingmonkey]

just explain it without discussing other games.

[humaneatingmonkey]

His doc clime any doc would have protected nom or t3 n2

he claimed simple doctor

[humaneatingmonkey]

wait that's a good point actually

simple doctors would have probably targetted vanilla claims like i had done

[humaneatingmonkey]

I am, aside from being a Neighbor that apparently can’t trust my neighbors from keeping our conversations inside of that thread without pasting them directly (who doesn’t actually know that’s a rule in a bloody Mafia game?), a 2-Shot Simple Doctor.

The reason I’m revealing this now is because, as you might have guessed, I’ve used both shots protecting humaneatingmonkey both nights. I thought they were obvious Town at first, but for

some

reason I can’t figure out, they weren’t shot at. We know this because, well, 2 players have died every night.

I think that’s fascinating. Obviously I caught some of the softs so I didn’t protect Dan even though I was pretty sure they were Town (you can see my reads N1 already).

I voted for Gamma because of how they defended Elsa Jay - I would have done the same in almost any circumstance, because I felt that was particularly incriminating. I feel Iecerint and cyrus62 fit a bit of the same bill. And I found them somewhat Scummy for other reasons.

I thought all this was good posting (and I buy the claim since we don't have a protective per se, unless you count the protective part of the JK).

However; as I turned on to the next page I read:

Simple Doctor that’s limited? What’s the point? I can’t protect anybody meaningful, and the Scum or Werewolves or whatever are almost always going to try and shoot PRs or each other.

Well, isn't that a bit contradictory to your 1520?? I mean, you targeted HEM because you (a) thought he was Town and (b) hoped he was Vanilla. Yes? You explicitly said you thought he was Town, and your role cannot protect PRs anyway.

And you believe Scum are either targeting each other or are shooting down PRs (and judging by the flips it does look like they are indeed hunting down our PRs).

The question is: Why would it surprise you that someone you guessed was a VT was not shot by "PR-hunting-Scum"??

Andre never answered this

[humaneatingmonkey]

His play here matches his town play.

in what way just point out something

[humaneatingmonkey]

thanks cyrus. i'll take a look at it.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Going to claim here since no one is engaging me on Test. I am a two shot rolecop. I held my shot night 1. I checked Tess night 2. I checked her because of her vote pattern.

Tess is very likely guilty.

She came back full role cop.

Nero's reaction was after Titus' claim and result. Check the post numbers. Nero is painting an inaccurate picture. Even Dwlee recognized it.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Nero I'm pretty sure that test is scum regardless of Titus!alignment so let's end the day there at the very least, yeah?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Titus claims and shares result, looks very towny doing so, even crumbing at daystart → Nero discrediting Titus and calling her scum and ignoring everything about the circumstances of the guilty

[humaneatingmonkey]

He claimed SIMPLE though, and T3 was claimed on D1 iirc, so Andres could not have protected him anyway.

Do you understand what Simple means? It means he can only protect VT (or Goon). Only Vanilla targets are protected. If he targets a PR the protection fails.

i just realized that if you're a simple doctor, it doesn't make sense to target the towniest person because they could be pr — even after N2 when it seemed like we were in a role madness situation. i didn't even think anyone was vanilla.

the obvious strategy was just waiting for who claimed vanilla and then using all shots there to stop a night kill. i don't know why andre didn't do that instead.

[humaneatingmonkey]

even after N2

even in N2*

[humaneatingmonkey]

andre is back in my pool

[humaneatingmonkey]

Would you have voted out Titus, the girl who counterclaimed scum? Remember: T3 counterclaimed Elsa, and T3 ended up being town.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Titus would have been impossible to elim.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm not even at my best game here. I was smoking a lot of weed thoughout Day 2 and Day 3. I don't know why I'm the "towniest" when we have people like ActionDan and cyrus.

[humaneatingmonkey]

PRs like to play it safe.. hide in the shadows to avoid attention.

Patently wrong. ActionDan was PR. He was leading the town.

[humaneatingmonkey]

the obvious strategy was just waiting for who claimed vanilla and then using all shots there to stop a night kill.

Mate, stop to think about it for a minute. Let's say YOU are a Simple Doctor. If you wait for someone to claim VT you are (a) Not protecting anyone until said VT claims, and (b) are protecting someone who is very unlikely to get shot at

because

they are a claimed VT. I mean, what Scum ignores TPRs, ignores the other Scum team, and decides to shoot at a claimed VT?

What's your point? I'm a simple doctor. I can only protect VT. I'm not gonna waste my shots on people that could be PR. If I saw the flips N1 and D2, even if I used up my first shot, I'm gonna be very wary using my second shot.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Sure you say that now because Titus flipped scum.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm not gonna speak more about this until Andre comes on and explains himself.

[humaneatingmonkey]

you're only saying that. i doubt you mean it. if you meant it, you would have actually listened to 1862 and read the game.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Holy shit Andre still isn't here? Where's his prod?

[humaneatingmonkey]

It's been 8 days 12 hours since we've last heard from Andre.
2 days 16 hours since we've last heard from the mod.

[humaneatingmonkey]

"refuse"

[humaneatingmonkey]

Nero is there a reason you are calling me scum but refuse to vote me?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Question sounds stupid, right?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Sup Dunn. Why do you think Nero is town?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Also, Arc is playing intentionally this way. My recent interaction with her points towards that.

[humaneatingmonkey]

She is trying to portray someone who is confused about the game, but when prompted to read the game, refuses to. She also was trying to push Titus today, but she already acknowledged her flip N3. She wants to be spoonfed Nero's case, but the case is literally within 5 pages from the newest post.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Also, she has a very strong opinion on Nero's slot but it was actually really shallow upon inspection. Also having a strong opinion on someone when you're confused about the game does not compute.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Dunn, what do you think about Nero's reaction to Titus' guilty on Testarossa?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Almost50 also has a good point about Nero avoiding to hunt within his neighborhood when it's very likely there's at least one scum there. Also has a good point about Nero avoiding all elim wagons.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Dunn don't leave me

[humaneatingmonkey]

I think Andres' role is fine but them being super absent is a bad look

I also have issues with this. He claims simple doctor, but our setup makes our only protective weak as hell. Plus, the way he said he used his role isn't the obvious strategy one would have with a setup like this. It was pretty much evidence post D2 flip that we are in role madness.

[humaneatingmonkey]

No motion detected on Cyrus n1. I'll reply to your stuff in the morning,a50

I missed this. Nero why did you target cyrus N1?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Since andre is going to be replaced, he wont be able to clarify his choices. So im just gonna add that Andre targeting me because im the towniest (which A50 argues is synonymous to VT) is not really evident. First, I dont think im the towniest. Second, a quick glance at my meta would say that I play the same vanilla or PR. This is apart from the other reasons ive already illustrated.

I hope the replacement can shed new light on that slot.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Arc and Andre remaining mafia?

[humaneatingmonkey]

VT

[humaneatingmonkey]

im not a mason im just vt so good luck with that.

[humaneatingmonkey]

idk if you can trust cyrus' claim lol

[humaneatingmonkey]

the more i think about it, the more simple doctor sounds like a fake claim

[humaneatingmonkey]

not only is it 2 shots, it's also simple. how weak can a protective be?

[humaneatingmonkey]

cyrus I don't think a simple doctor would be informed that their first shot failed. it's not an investigative role.

[humaneatingmonkey]

what's a fish in a barrier cyrus

[humaneatingmonkey]

Im odd night roleblocker

[humaneatingmonkey]

@hem and your thoughts on the hood?

My pet theory is 1 WW, 1 Mafia, 1 Town — so eliminating inside there is already 66% chance of hitting scum.

I don't think I can effectively sort Dwlee, so eliminating him as potential Werewolf is already a huge step. Could be scum for how KittyTacky played, but there's nothing about Dwlee's dayplay that pings me.

I thought Andre was town at first but when I realized that it made no sense targeting me (much more targeting me twice), I changed my mind. I want to hear from his replacement.

I think Nero is likely the remaining WW. I don't like how his reads are so shallow. I don't like how he didn't attempt to hunt inside his neighborhood first and foremost (instead, he went for you D1 and Dunn D2). I don't like that he discredited Titus' guilty when Testarossa is likely to flip scum anyway. I don't like how he's obviously trying to OMGUS me because his reason for suspecting me is that "I refused to vote in Gamma's wagon" is a fake, put-on narrative. (Just like how he's trying to paint me as refusing to vote for Arc) This is our lim for today because I think we should eliminate WW now so we don't have to worry about two night kills.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Well he's pushing me. I think it's pretty obvious that he's just mafia that thinks I'm the last wolf.

See how shallow this is?

[humaneatingmonkey]

So explain why you:
1. Voted neither
2. Favored Titus over Testarossa despite the claim
3. Had this reaction

It's like an old married couple but in mafia instead of bickering about what oatmeal to buy.

I'd bet the game on Nero being scum with Tess based on his responses to me and his reaction to my result on Testarossa.

Even if this was true Wich it's not. Who is the other faction?

[humaneatingmonkey]

You're just scum throwing around the word "shallow" and hoping that ppl buy your strongly worded bullshit

Project

[humaneatingmonkey]

It's actually better to hit mafia today than werewolf per a50's post.

which post

[humaneatingmonkey]

nvm found it

[humaneatingmonkey]

the reason why i want only one night kill tomorrow is to improve my chances of being in N6

[humaneatingmonkey]

if we allow 2 kills tomorrow, it's bye-bye Dunn and Monkey.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Titus was scum, I knew it bc she was lying through her teeth. The only reason you and Titus knew that tess was gulity is bc your faction had a rc

Which lie?

Again, Elsa and T3 had similar roles. Elsa flipped scum, T3 flipped town. Why didn't you think it applied to Testarossa and Titus? I know Titus flipped scum, but a weaker town role + stronger scum role was a pattern that was obvious (especially to me, because Gamma was roleblocked N1). What made you overlook that?

[humaneatingmonkey]

You're just trying to look active, hem

Based on what?

[humaneatingmonkey]

yeah, that's how you avoid confrontations. go nero!

[humaneatingmonkey]

the relevance is you flat out ignored the opportunity to limming scum in both Titus and Testarossa.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Testarossa was 100% more probable to be scum than Titus, but you went for Titus anyway.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Testarossa was 100% more probable to be scum than Titus, but you went for Titus anyway.

I forgot to mention — and then you voted neither!

[humaneatingmonkey]

If you guys can't see what Nero's doing, I can't help you. He's framing the conversation so that he can avoid the questions that would put him in deep shit and instead framing it like the conversation is dumb and irrelevant.

That's tactics that you see in US political debates.

I'm not just trying to do busywork. The questions I have are questions he can't answer because it points towards him being scum.

Umm ok? That still doesn't seem to be a point. Also physically impossible as we can only lim once a day.

The point isn't that he can't elim both. The point is that he didn't even vote Titus or Testarossa, but tried to discredit Titus so Testarossa gets scot-free. It's chainsaw defense.

NOTICE how he still doesn't have an answer.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Instead of engaging me with an honest answer, this is what he does. It's malicious as hell.

I'm not eliminating Nero probably ever.

I'm not changing my mind about Nero. Probably ever.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Why the sudden change, A50? You said Nero was gonna flip scum 100%

[humaneatingmonkey]

OK..

VOTE: Nero

Nero was never on the elimination wagon. On D1 he was on cyrus, on D2 he was on Dunn, and on D3 he was on Arc. That IS Scum Nero. What alignment? Not sure, but I recall I suspected he was a WW after Elsa flipped WW, and again he was seesawing Testa, so I guess he's likely a WW.

EITHER WAY THOUGH, Nero flips Scum here I'm sure.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Dunn come back

[humaneatingmonkey]

ATM, I'm at Nero → Arc → Andre/Dwlee → Almost50 atm, with Andre and Dwlee graduating to a townier status if Nero flips scum.
Dwlee is not WW, and I want to eliminate WW to avoid 2 NKs in N4. I want either Dunn or I to reach N5.
I want to start townreading either Andre or Almost50 soon. Almost50 becomes confirmed town if WW are eliminated from the game and you flip mafia. Andre depends on his catch-up. (But I think he isn't doing that, so it leans scum)

[humaneatingmonkey]

You're not planning on catching up as well, aren't you?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Yeah, I meant Andre-slot

[humaneatingmonkey]

n5, i mispoke. if either dunn and i go to d4, we would either have a conftown or i would have the opportunity to block scum n5. both aren't ideal situations to scum, and will win us the game.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Dude wheres everyone

[humaneatingmonkey]

Ythan where are you in this game bro

[humaneatingmonkey]

She asked me what I thought of A50 so she must be planning something with that