Mini 2228: Isekai uPick - Endgame

[Kate Bishop]

terrifying

Did you place both of your votes on DGB or how exactly do we know that you're using your second vote?

hurt tag

I believe DGB has an extremely famous quote about how I feel about the lack of a claim even with such obvious intent in the air in regards to the panda.

im sorry cab i cannot understand this one. especially without the context of the mentioned quote

dgbs sig.

[Kate Bishop]

Did you catch the new or old school part, Cabd

[Kate Bishop]

Let’s be entirely real we all know I would have done the same shit as town

[Kate Bishop]

Understood.

[Kate Bishop]

You know you want to help me kill luke Cabd.

[Kate Bishop]

Manatee kills toog and we kill Luke e z p z

[Kate Bishop]

Oh if manatees not a third party I’d place my bets on traitor thaaaaaaaanks

[Kate Bishop]

With that role!

[Kate Bishop]

Apparently I'm very good at dishing and very terrible at taking then. Because I know what signals were directed at me but trying to parse them feels like I'm being asked to download a signal converter for the low cost of all of my brain cells

New signal:

page 1 caffeination and...fire up the wayback machine because we're looking back to a time when...

morph separated: half nailed a dry flan to the wall, and half doomed a bottle of steak sauce.

not 100% of it all, but close because it's complicated. If you can dance, we're wallflowers.

[Kate Bishop]

Don’t be a tease gif, you are number 2 in my running and can easily overtake DGB!

[Kate Bishop]

I think you’d be angriest with yourself for not getting it, frankly.

[Kate Bishop]

ffery am I in for a Lashing if I get it wrong?

get it right and you win a bolt.

[Kate Bishop]

You and it are my two favorite posters so far this game

Not that it’s a contest

[Kate Bishop]

Marci just be happy there isnt 120 pages in 48 hours

[Kate Bishop]

Marci just be happy there isnt 120 pages in 48 hours

rekt

I don’t understand how I went two cobra Kai games just fine and lately I’ve been alt slip city

[Kate Bishop]

might have something to do with us voting him marci!

[Kate Bishop]

Town:
Dunn
LLd
Cabd, Unwnd
Gif, SSMB

Null:
Kate, Marci, Wheme

Scum:
Toog , DGB

...
whys kate on null tier? don't they have alot of content for u to judge on? -.-

Mainly that I have conflicting thoughts on the slot.

Like, ffery doing that metadive and reading that Toog game makes me want to town read them for effort.

But on the other hand, they are really loudly pointing in my direction and say that I should die, so

And not just that they are scum reading me, but that I really can't even get a grasp on why? It appeared to be because of when I first came back into the game, my response to their "unwnd day cop guiltied you" was weak I guess, but that suddenly made me their number 1 kill choice, but they also have not really had any interaction with anything else I have said sense I came back.

It kind of feels like they are trying to shift the focus away from their partner :/

We weren't townreading you before. Look at our readslist from a couple days ago.

You know, you haven't attempted to reach out to me, and that has been a feature of your towngame in one form or another lately when we've played together. Ceph's game being in the "or another" format. Before today, it was mostly me having issues. notsci saw your early play in Bloodstained differently because he knew you were town, so the stuff I thought could be scum indicators didn't bother him at all.

Anyway, you are correct that those two posts drew our vote. It's not just that they are weak, though they are. If somebody had played the daycop guilty card on us when coming back to the thread after a day, that's not how we would have reacted at all. How we would react would depend on the player list, and this list is filled with players who treat whoopie cushions as subtle humor.

But, forget familiarity. It still didn't feel like a town reaction. And there was an 8 minute pause between notsci's post and your first reply. That was enough time to try and find out what was going on rather than just react, secure in the knowledge of your role PM.

[Kate Bishop]

Phone post but SSBM is going to like my placement of Wheme in my list!

I'd like to understand you placement of ssbm when you have time!

[Kate Bishop]

Giffy would have hated Yggdrasil and tenet

[Kate Bishop]

As for reaching out, I think that you will remember that I did not reach out to you in bork's game until after I had a town read on you. Well, I haven't gotten one on you yet this game, so...

And you think you can form a decent read of me without interacting?

I tend to give you space after ceph's game, but as marci said, there's a ton of data in our iso to think about.

Also, if you ever townread me on the basis of posting an effortful looking meta dive write-up, you'll be making a mistake.

If anything I put more effort into writing up meta dives as scum than as town, because there's what I found, and there's how I want it to be interpreted.

The publicly available evidence of my dive right now is anything but effortful looking. I'm intentionally holding back most of my observations because I want to see if anyone independently makes some of the observations that I did.

[Kate Bishop]

Also I'm going to throw this question to y'all to help me understand things.
What stops Toog from being a passive-aggressive spiteful town who stepped into the game on a wrong foot?
Because I see non-zero possibility of this scenario and ngl it's the big thing that's holding me back.

I want this answered btw.
A good counterargument to this statement will only bolster your scumcase on Toog so it's a win-win!

They don't match their town meta and instead match their scum meta
Kate did a whole thing on going over this

But she told me that she was being neutral about this!

I believe Kate has been thinking Toog-scum for a while

I'm currently waffling, having looked at some of his recent scum games.

[Kate Bishop]

because I have not always been sure whether you or notty or both were on, and I would interact with the two of you quiet differently.

If a post is funny and a little serious it’s notty. If it’s serious and a little funny it’s ffery.

[Kate Bishop]

Phone post but SSBM is going to like my placement of Wheme in my list!

I'd like to understand you placement of ssbm when you have time!

Yeah probably our biggest divergence?

I dunno it's just an overall read. I think the pop ins have felt natural and not manufactured to any specific outcome.

I like what she's currently posting better than the posts from previous thread visits. I'm kinda puzzled by the town reads she collected earlier.

Rhiannon's read is different in that it comes in part from within the mindset from her role.

[Kate Bishop]

As for reaching out, I think that you will remember that I did not reach out to you in bork's game until after I had a town read on you. Well, I haven't gotten one on you yet this game, so...

And you think you can form a decent read of me without interacting?

I tend to give you space after ceph's game, but as marci said, there's a ton of data in our iso to think about.

Also, if you ever townread me on the basis of posting an effortful looking meta dive write-up, you'll be making a mistake.

If anything I put more effort into writing up meta dives as scum than as town, because there's what I found, and there's how I want it to be interpreted.

The publicly available evidence of my dive right now is anything but effortful looking. I'm intentionally holding back most of my observations because I want to see if anyone independently makes some of the observations that I did.

Is there something you wanted to talk to me about?

I have been a bit weary of you because my read on you has not been the strongest.

and because I have not always been sure whether you or notty or both were on, and I would interact with the two of you quiet differently

.

And to be frank, I have felt kind of the same way about you guys. That you guys apparently reached having me as your strongest scum read without interacting with me at all seemed weird. Like, I made almost 50 posts today after you guys asked about that fake guilty, and neither one of you responded or interacted with any of them (until now I guess)

my posting was shortly interrupted by dinner.

We have to prioritize, and one of the things I wanted to be sure occurred before this day ends has been my top priority. Fortunately, I think it's wrapped up for now, so.

You, ssbm and wheme, with a long side-eye at manatee have come more to the fore now.

It's not so much that I want to ask you stuff, at least not until I read your catchup stuff more closely. That's my excuse.

What's yours?

[Kate Bishop]

I'm yeeted off the game during Night 1. I do not know if I can come back to the game thread afterwards.

All I know is that it works like a commute but staying commuted for unforeseen amount of phases, including the day phase. So I won't even flip. I'm just gonna be yeeted.

I don't like this role.

Hopefully something can bring you back.

[Kate Bishop]

mass

[Kate Bishop]

WHAT IT DIDNT TAKE THE WHOLE WUOTE

FUCK

[Kate Bishop]

Have you actively confirmed that it affects the counts needed for votes, though?

Yeah. I will be considered as if I am not in the game.

I'm glad you mentioned it, but hold off talking more about it while I ask our beneficent mod a couple questions.

[Kate Bishop]

We aren't mass claiming

Did you let the rest of the game know that?

[Kate Bishop]

No guarantees, GiF, but here goes.

remember that game where you were tsundere and your partner didn't make a single post the whole game?

[Kate Bishop]

cool.

do what you did in that game.

IIRC you had to decide halfway through day 1.

doesn't matter specifically what you do, but if you have an active, aim it the way you aimed it in that game.

day 2 could start up where that game left off.

[Kate Bishop]

I asked the mod some questions, but there's only so much he'll say, so like I said, no guarantees.

[Kate Bishop]

I asked the mod some questions, but there's only so much he'll say, so like I said, no guarantees.

I have no active. Well I do but it’s compulsive and has no target. And that action is used to yeet me off the game.

Sigh.

[Kate Bishop]

I think you’d be angriest with yourself for not getting it, frankly.

Has this happened yet

[Kate Bishop]

Like this is some S-tier irony.

Imagine claiming to throw more caution into today’s lim
and very soon after going “lol I can lim all my leftover reads.”

snort

I knew you wouldn't be able to hold off forming a read.

[Kate Bishop]

We could! Let’s kill Luke and have manatee kill toog.

[Kate Bishop]

Cabd, I think we need a tunnel check intervention.

[Kate Bishop]

Cabd, I think we need a tunnel check intervention.

Do you?

Do you actually?

Fine.


Step back and assume crackers. Then posit a dead flipped town Luke and it's day two.

He's in your leftovers, yes?

How did you feel about him early-mid day 1 of

that game

. When did you start townreading him?

[Kate Bishop]

GIF you skipped 2020 all of them were easy games

[Kate Bishop]

2020 scumteams amirite?

[Kate Bishop]

I’m gonna say the magic word.
I’m going to jinx everything.
I think this list is too easy and I never have easy games.
Or is it really this simple?

Yandere game

[Kate Bishop]

@dunn- comments?

[Kate Bishop]

I dunno.

could be a fishing expedition?

[Kate Bishop]

And as described it's not really a backup for known roles.

[Kate Bishop]

But you did Toog

You said you get them based on how many townies die or something

Yep, townies die, I get powers. That's what I said.

Is there a correlation between a dead townie's ability and the ability you unlock?

[Kate Bishop]

One more question Toog.
Do you unlock the power at the end of the day or end of the night

At night.

Beginning or end of night?

[Kate Bishop]

Is there a correlation between a dead townie's ability and the ability you unlock?

Maaaaaaybe.

Why do you not want to answer that?

[Kate Bishop]

no votes while we think on this.

not everyone's been online to even see this claim.

[Kate Bishop]

yea i am fine w toog going

Vote me then.

oh yes totally to let u hammer before ive laid down my second vote

You already have your first vote on DGB. That means your second vote will be on me. By your role definition, if I were to self hammer you would have a vig shot tonight.

she can move her first vote, so just hold your damn horses. We want a double day, not a night vig. More consensus involved that way.

[Kate Bishop]

Is she a third party or scum

Only one way to find out!

And if she is groupscum Luke dies next

[Kate Bishop]

NO IRREVOCABLE DECISIONS UNTIL EVERYONE HAS SEEN TOOG'S CLAIM PLEASE.

[Kate Bishop]

@dunn manatee

[Kate Bishop]

difference btwn this and NQN is i had fun flailing around in that one

This post is crazy

As part of the hydra that led her elim, I'll confirm that she did have a good attitude about the game. she fought, but she didn't really know HOW to fight morph off.

[Kate Bishop]

I understood you Dunn!

[Kate Bishop]

difference btwn this and NQN is i had fun flailing around in that one

This post is crazy

As part of the hydra that led her elim, I'll confirm that she did have a good attitude about the game. she fought, but she didn't really know HOW to fight morph off.

It implies that they are flailing in this game and know it, which is a weird thing to say

heart on sleeve.

I'm not at all sure she's town, but I do feel like she has some legit gripes.

Players are treating her like she's a leashed SK.

[Kate Bishop]

I'm waiting for some of my townreads to get in here and catch up. Anxiety is when things take off like there won't be a chance for that to happen.

[Kate Bishop]

Manatee's problem this game is weary conviction but still wanting to maintain a semblance of read by letting people know it's still there. Yet, with all the attention she still feels alienated. Fight for what you believe in? I don't know. I didn't feel like Manatee was that meek in Bloodstained.

she didn't have phenomenal cosmic power in bloodstained.

Even the supersaint thing stressed me out and I wanted the hammer choice to be consensus, not dictated by me, or random and uninformed.

[Kate Bishop]

But surely scum would kill manatee toNight

If I were scum I'd let her live forever.

[Kate Bishop]

ngl with an upick with no scum fakeclaims given, massclaim wouldn't be half a bad idea.

The thought crossed my mind, but nah.

Yeah I'm against massclaiming.

I was just gonna troll until the eventual shock, but I realized that it is possible that a random death can happen given the nature of the claimed so far and if we mislim both we're going straight to the MeLo D2.
So I kinda wanted to give ppl warning to take today's eliminations more seriously.

I feel like manatee placing hurt vote on the elim wagon and shooting you while you're commuted may be a decent play to avoid possible D2 MELO. But surely scum would kill manatee toNight. Actually, do you not think manatee will be killed for some reason? I would assume she would be, so the D2 MELO wouldnt be a concern

GiF would need to know when the yeet takes effect. It's compulsive, but it sounds like a night action. knowing when it resolves is critical because I will flip some fucking tables if manatee were to kill him doing this.

[Kate Bishop]

Unwnd, you are saying that I am not sluthing, while referencing my sluthing...

Someone said something about my reentrance into the thread, but like. Look at DGB's

They have been gone for 600 posts, they come back to the thread immediately quoting posts form 400 posts after they left. So, did they not have anything to say at all about the 400 posts that happened in between those when they were catching up?

Hey, we came back this morning and we interacted with the stuff we wanted to interact with. I didn't even do it in a sequential order.

Depending on device, sometimes it's easier to read than it is to post. And that's what I did. reading was a separate activity from making posts.

Somehow that wasn't notable in our case, I guess.

[Kate Bishop]

I asked the mod some questions, but there's only so much he'll say, so like I said, no guarantees.

I have no active. Well I do but it’s compulsive and has no target. And that action is used to yeet me off the game.

It sounds like it can be roleblocked to me. Do you think it can?

Commute precedes roleblock.

But is it truly a commute, or is it LIKE a commute?

GiF should know.

[Kate Bishop]

Why would we want manatee to not kill somebody?

It was worries about an accelerated elo, I think?

GiF mentioned that concern, too.

I don't have an opinion on that yet, but I vastly prefer double day to a vig shot or <shudder> a random townie.

[Kate Bishop]

Oh boy cabds favorite illicit role is back

[Kate Bishop]

I asked the mod some questions, but there's only so much he'll say, so like I said, no guarantees.

I have no active. Well I do but it’s compulsive and has no target. And that action is used to yeet me off the game.

It sounds like it can be roleblocked to me. Do you think it can?

Commute precedes roleblock.

But is it truly a commute, or is it LIKE a commute?

GiF should know.

It is a real commute.
It’s just that during the commute effectively my car breaks down and I left my card and phone home so I’m stuck on the side of some empty road waiting until maybe someone passing by help me out.

So you're not targetable by a vig shot.

What do you think of the idea of wasting a vig shot on you at some point?

[Kate Bishop]

I'm calling it a night.

I hope.

notsci is too.

[Kate Bishop]

2181 calls.

[Kate Bishop]

A) already have had my revenge
B) im not sure if it’s as easy as we think or not
C) still feeling pretty solidly DGB town

[Kate Bishop]

I would like to state I didn’t expect our first pick to count.

[Kate Bishop]

2181 calls.

Hmm?

We should elim ffery by having notsci hammer for revenge? Interesting fetish but okay, no kink shame here.

2181, when the vanilla cop's walls fell.

[Kate Bishop]

KILL ME

You numbnuts are in need of a profound reset.

Agreed. Manatee just DGB, and vote me out. Can't wait to see how you ass hats cannibalize each other Day 2.

EBWOP:
Manatee just kill DGB with vote two, and everyone else vote me out.

towns get things wrong sometimes.

the role you've claimed seems crazy powerful.

could you answer Dunn's questions about if your abilities are one-shot, and if you use more than one ability in a night.

If you're town, even if you don't get out of today's elim, you can still work on reads and gamesolve like someone about to be confirmed town.

[Kate Bishop]

Well I compared manatee’s iso from this game to the last one and I got nothing

Maybe I should go farther back to previous games

You could make a start by copying my meta homework from cephgame. I had links prior games in it.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12895508

[Kate Bishop]

Spoiler:

Okay. DGB has been gone for like 12 hours and 600 posts. When they comeback, they come in swinging with these two posts:

Feels like his focus is really all on DGB in his catchup to me.

In every single post, Lukewarm and Manatee keep up the refrain "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum"

Like propaganda, convincing by repetition. It's subliminal but it's highly effective.

I was talking about my scum reads on DGB and Toog.

How convenient that these are LLD's reads, and LLD rarely switches directions. You can count on her pushing these reads until she gets her way.

If I were scum I'd support all her reads too.

Which first off, I don't think that it is very accurate, I have been talking about a lot of other slots, and even been saying that while I scum read both them and toog, I don't think they could be partners, and had started leaning away from dgb and towards toog being the scum in the pair, but that is completely besides the point.

But secondly, here they are agreeing with kyouko's interpretation of my catch up posts, which implies they read my catch up, right? (Or they are blindly agreeing without reading, which is bad...)

My catch up was 891 - 1099. So, They voiced an opinion on my posts ranging from 891 to 1099.

But then immediately after, they appear to say that they have missed the reveal of unwnds secret scum read which happened in 1030 (dgb 1446).


So from my pov, something aint right.

Did dgb read my posts from 891-1099? If they did, why are they later claiming to not have read other things that were said around that same time? Did their catch up start with an iso on me? Why? I was a fairly non-presence when they left the thread.

If they did not read my catch up posts, then what are they talking about when they are agreeing with Kyouko in post 1431?

Lets go with the idea that they started reading on a random page, and were agreeing with Kyouko's post 1176. What was I talking about leading up to that post?

Spoiler:

1134 - marci
1137 - manatee
1139 - kate / manatee
1141 - kate / manatee
1142 - cabd / kate / manatee
1148 - manatee
1149 - toog
1166 - wheme
1172 - toog and

dgb

1175 - Asking marci about town reading

dgb

[/spo/iler]

So in my 10 posts leading up to the kyouko post that dgb agrees with, I mention dgb twice. Once to say that I think either they or toog are scum, but not both. And once to ask someone to tell me why they were town reading dgb.

Now, lets look back at dgb's post:

Feels like his focus is really all on DGB in his catchup to me.

In every single post, Lukewarm and Manatee keep up the refrain "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum"

Like propaganda, convincing by repetition. It's subliminal but it's highly effective.

I am trying to figure out when this is ever a real thought that dgb had about me, and it really does not make sense to me.

If they read the posts in question, then why did had they not read the other things?
If they started randomly near kyouko's post, what made them think this?

So I am left thinking that they were not caught up, and they had no reason to actually think it. But they agreed with kyouko anyways, which seems hella scummy.

....

I typed all of that up, and it feels like my line of thinking about Titus in bloodstained, so I don't think people are going to like it

I still think dgb is scummy, and I would say that the difference here, is that I have lots of other things that lead me to scum read dgb before this. Where Titus, she went from a null read to a lock scum read over just this kind of thing.

I think that the better reasons I have to be suspicious of dgb are things like this:

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

and LLD says 235 is like a "mask off paranoia" (scum with their mask off?) that is posted to prevent the formation of a townblock.

~maybe~

But LLD is scumreading me and I'm town so, seeing her warped reasoning on me, I'm not about to sheep her on what could be equally warped reasoning on other players.

[/sp/oiler]

I am not really liking DGB. And I really don't like this post.

Why is she not just forming an opinion on Toog on her own? Like why wave away the Toog suspicions because LLD (from her pov) has 1 bad read on her?

And even "LLD has one bad read, and therefore all of her reads can be ignored" feels really bad anyways.

I am also unwure how DGB is reading LLD atm? Like, just earlier this page she said she thought LLD's claim was scummy, but this post seems to imply that LLD's reads are real, but bad?

This also ignores that Dunn and myself have also voiced concerns about Toog up to this point :/

idk. Weird post, that does not actually call either Toog or LLD scum or town

[spo/iler=]

I think manatee’s role has non-zero chance of being 3p.

That could be true for LLD as well, no?

It's anyone's guess.

No one is going to say they want to yeet it because they might be killed for it.

[/spoi/ler]


Eww

This does not feel like real thoughts about LLD's role

That's just how games are now Toog

Geriatric style would be nice but mod doesn't agree so I'm gonna keep it rolling

What is geriatric style? I feel I should be the designated trendsetter for this.

Geriatric_Ruleset

I like it!

In other news I'm content townreading Toogeloo, I see nothing that concerns me.

This one

Which also, why does "I see nothing that concerns me" = a town read, instead of like. A null read?

DGB what are your reasons for this town read?

I was already getting Titus vibes in your approach to DGB last night, and that gives me some slight townfeels about you here.

DGB's play has been meme-y here and I feel like the choice of what to post and respond to is shaped by how meme-enabling it is.

We both think that her townplay these days tends to be meme-y, but feel like it's way more pronounced in this game.

[Kate Bishop]

wheme, your comment about cabd taking over goes against your earlier comment about you sheeping LLD because cabd is sheeping LLD. You answered your own question pages ago, and the act of asking it is posturing.

[Kate Bishop]

Yes.

[Kate Bishop]

wheme, your comment about cabd taking over goes against your earlier comment about you sheeping LLD because cabd is sheeping LLD. You answered your own question pages ago, and the act of asking it is posturing.

Okay why is he sleeping LLD

Specifically why is his to answer. From outside his head, it started around 300 posts into the game, agreeing with her on toog and seeing her claim as incredibly town, and it was a limited area of following at that point. Probably still is, and she is checking in with him about his other reads. At the initial point of congruence, he specifically wanted the unwnd/luke dance to continue, and I think also referenced you as someone whose dance-steps needed critique. It's more of an alliance than a straight-up sheep.

Your style of sheeping is not nearly so considered.

[Kate Bishop]

and I think also referenced you as someone whose dance-steps needed critique.

What’s this mean?[/quotes]

It means you needed scrutiny, too.

Btw which head am I talking too

The morph head.

[Kate Bishop]

He didn't say it was the first. He said it was one of the easiest to unlock.

And he also refused to say whether there was any correlation between the abilities of a dead town player and the ability their death unlocked.

Neighborize is one of the easiest abilities to unlock. Cop is one of the hardest.

[Kate Bishop]

Don’t look at me DGB I’m the one who keeps saying it lmao

[Kate Bishop]

I don’t know if I could handle losing DGB and giffy in one day

[Kate Bishop]

Do you see the 2181 yet?

[Kate Bishop]

You shouldn't have kept mentioning her role DGB. you knew this would happen.

[Kate Bishop]

I intend to kill manatee tomorrow upon a DGB green flip!

[Kate Bishop]

That's not how engagement's done, manatee.

[Kate Bishop]

Something something ffery something something soft spot for town siding 3P something something.

it's like you're eavesdropping on our hydra convo

[Kate Bishop]

I’m confident in this playerlists ability to read me as the game progresses so getting me out day 1 is a mistake

Be less confident. maybe you'll do something town without that expectation.

Or maybe not!

[Kate Bishop]

I’m confident in this playerlists ability to read me as the game progresses so getting me out day 1 is a mistake

Be less confident. maybe you'll do something town without that expectation.

Or maybe not!

Want to hear my wild take?

sure

[Kate Bishop]

Cabd scum!

and you've sheeped him because?

[Kate Bishop]

Please don’t use my meme I’m saving for when they miselim dgb

[Kate Bishop]

toog you're not going to troll anyone into haste.

[Kate Bishop]

But, you and cabd are like the Wonder Twins to LLD's Gleek making her a functional Triple Voter today!

If you think this hydra is in lockstep with LLD you're not paying attention.

[Kate Bishop]

Kate haven’t you guys agreed with Toog scum though?

Toog's claim saw to that, yeah.

Where our scumreads reads agree, our votes will too. It's not a matter of trust.

[Kate Bishop]

Why his claim specifically?

What were your thoughts before his claim?

I started at scum on toog, and tested it looking at older games. Mostly they didn't contradict the read, but there was one fairly significant difference I found in a scum game. Just one, which made me nervous and I wanted someone else to see that issue, and also to read some older scum games to keep testing.

That got shelved because god damn his play doesn't support the role he claimed.

If you were town with such a powerful, interesting and fun-looking role, would you have played this day the way he has?

[Kate Bishop]

The parts in referring to are more her reaction to a bullshit wagon.

[Kate Bishop]

(Regarding 2181)

[Kate Bishop]

Starts at about ISO post number 300.

[Kate Bishop]

Hope the break is enjoyable, toog.

[Kate Bishop]

no Titus

[Kate Bishop]

Not that I’m not happy to see you but toog was really scummy

[Kate Bishop]

Am I the only one who saw wheme say he knows he’s not drunk then go and post exactly like unwnd said

[Kate Bishop]

I feel bad Titus is about to effort a doomed slot

[Kate Bishop]

Hi Titus!

[Kate Bishop]

I like ornn.

[Kate Bishop]

Tlaloc

[Kate Bishop]

Did you check in your other pants?

[Kate Bishop]

unvote

Haven't been feeling luke scum since the last go-around with DGB.

Forgot we had it there.

It's going to be painful for notsci, but we intend to vote Titus once it's time to send the wagon home.

[Kate Bishop]

I have a fondness for the wheme wagon in the interim.

[Kate Bishop]

Idk how town ffery scumreads me here but I am probably giving people 2 much credit in how well they can read me

it was the "drunkposting".

You did a pretty good replay of yggdrasil, though!

[Kate Bishop]

You did a pretty good replay of yggdrasil, though

I’m not sure what you mean here I’m sorry

Your post about liking questions to answer was almost word for word something you said to me in yggdrasil.

[Kate Bishop]

Subject: Yggdrasil - Stratum FINAL -

Also thanks for asking me so many questions it makes it easier to get my thoughts out which is what I think I struggle with the most in this game.

I appreciate going back and forth though I think it’s easier to get my thoughts out as well

[Kate Bishop]

I dunno.

It bugs me.

As did the way you dropped the drunkspelling.

I get hung up on surface stuff sometimes, and this is surface stuff. Still bugs me.

[Kate Bishop]

Ffery if someone is the “worst” player in the lobby what are your thoughts on that person sheeping others?

I'm not 100% against it by any means.

I've followed players I respect before. I do my best to get a solid read of the player first.

And I'm more likely to follow someone after they were right when I was wrong a few spectacular times.

And I try to learn what they were seeing that I wasn't.

And I occasionally get burned.

If you're following a Cabd or an LLD I hope it's with the intention to learn and get to a place where you're comfortable playing based on your own game thoughts.

[Kate Bishop]

I don't think this game is ez mode.

I hope it is, but it doesn't feel right.

[Kate Bishop]

You're not the boss of me!

[Kate Bishop]

I’m not sulking bc I have dgb and giffy here

Also dunn is v funny this game too

[Kate Bishop]

Also unwnd

I have done a fair bit of laughing this game

[Kate Bishop]

No it’s not I feel so bad

[Kate Bishop]

No it’s not I feel so bad

Why do you feel bad here? The last game you should have felt bad. I told you exactly what I was doing, exactly what scum would do, highlighted one of the scum and you still failed. Here, from what I have gleamed. My slot dove straight into a salt mine.

that was notsci.

[Kate Bishop]

That’s an inside joke from 2181.

[Kate Bishop]

No because they can use other people to kill

How so?

[Kate Bishop]

No because they can use other people to kill

You mean other scum team members?

Yes lol

This was not clear to me from your original post. I thought "use other people" meant use other people besides themselves to make the kill.

[Kate Bishop]

I think long time ago I went “If Titus is crazy Titus is town, if Titus is normal Titus is scum.”
I wonder if this is still true.

I very much use that tell to this day

[Kate Bishop]

Cabd, if Titus is going to use this method of things, I'm gonna need you to put your Dad Pants on and run this town to final conclusion, which I know you didn't want to do, but you don't really have a choice.

Otherwise, we're looking at an apathy game stall.

I feel like the stall at this point is mostly Manatee, and I'm ok with giving her more time.

notsci and I have felt like we've probably squeezed as much out of the thread as we're going to this game day. That opinion could change, but I doubt it based on data hitting the thread so far.

[Kate Bishop]

Kyouko is unusually quiet in this game.

I've never played with her. She's doing more catch-up style posts than direct interactions. That's been what stands out to me, though I've liked her comments/reactions more over time. A few really jangled me early on.

When she's not quiet, what does she do? More of the same or something else?

[Kate Bishop]

Cabd, if Titus is going to use this method of things, I'm gonna need you to put your Dad Pants on and run this town to final conclusion, which I know you didn't want to do, but you don't really have a choice.

Otherwise, we're looking at an apathy game stall.

I feel like the stall at this point is mostly Manatee, and I'm ok with giving her more time.

notsci and I have felt like we've probably squeezed as much out of the thread as we're going to this game day. That opinion could change, but I doubt it based on data hitting the thread so far.

And you're no longer of the opinion Luke should die, so what do you want today? Like, if I'm petitioning Titus+DGB die, who are you petitioning?

notsci still wants luke. wheme started bugging me again, but I like some of his posts from last night. We both did.

I feel like we don't really have enough pull to prevent a DGB elim and don't feel enough conviction to push hard in a different direction. I'd really like for Cabd to talk with us about DGB's play here vs some other recent games.

pessimistically thinking the 2nd death today could be on town.

[Kate Bishop]

Cabd, if Titus is going to use this method of things, I'm gonna need you to put your Dad Pants on and run this town to final conclusion, which I know you didn't want to do, but you don't really have a choice.

Otherwise, we're looking at an apathy game stall.

I feel like the stall at this point is mostly Manatee, and I'm ok with giving her more time.

notsci and I have felt like we've probably squeezed as much out of the thread as we're going to this game day. That opinion could change, but I doubt it based on data hitting the thread so far.

And you're no longer of the opinion Luke should die, so what do you want today? Like, if I'm petitioning Titus+DGB die, who are you petitioning?

notsci still wants luke. wheme started bugging me again, but I like some of his posts from last night. We both did.

I feel like we don't really have enough pull to prevent a DGB elim and don't feel enough conviction to push hard in a different direction. I'd really like for Cabd to talk with us about DGB's play here vs some other recent games.

pessimistically thinking the 2nd death today could be on town.

So Notsci wants Wheme. What do you want for second death?

I'm not sure I want to waver from my DGB convictions when I have them so strongly, but I've been considering it. Cabd also assigned me 2181 homework that... I'm probably not doing? It's a lot.

But if you want to change this path, you need to give an alternative.

Notsci wants Luke, and he's ok with Wheme, too.

I'm a waffle, if I weren't I'd be pushing

somewhere

harder.

DGB's comments put ssbm back the frame, though, so I'm thinking there's more to squeeze out of this day after all.

[Kate Bishop]

Why does notsci want me tf he wants luke LLD

If this is to me, it's PoE. You're both less town to us than most of the player list.

[Kate Bishop]

NOT marci.

[Kate Bishop]

Not marci.

[Kate Bishop]

NOT marci.

How do you townread a slot that isn't here lol

What's your Cabd read? If you won't give that a straight answer, then there's no point in asking me how I townread her.

[Kate Bishop]

I stake my entire life savings on LLD being scum. If I'm wrong, I'll shut up forever.

I'm pretty sure this table is too scared to eject her though, so I've been sitting here grumbling and being snarky because of it.

IMO, marci can only be scum with Cabd. And I'm townreading Cabd, so.

[Kate Bishop]

NOT marci.

How do you townread a slot that isn't here lol

What's your Cabd read? If you won't give that a straight answer, then there's no point in asking me how I townread her.

If LLD is scum it goes way down

This is a strange take, I think?

Like, I think they are both town atm. But if one is scum, I am less sure why that would imply the other one was.

Their spoilers "neighborhood" convo would be a weird bit of theatre I think.

Have you forgotten Niamh(?)s entry into the Yggdrasil game and the convo she and neuterhalf had there?

[Kate Bishop]

I stake my entire life savings on LLD being scum. If I'm wrong, I'll shut up forever.

I'm pretty sure this table is too scared to eject her though, so I've been sitting here grumbling and being snarky because of it.

IMO, marci can only be scum with Cabd. And I'm townreading Cabd, so.

Remember this thought.

no worries. this thought is tattooed on my forebrain.

[Kate Bishop]

NOT marci.

How do you townread a slot that isn't here lol

What's your Cabd read? If you won't give that a straight answer, then there's no point in asking me how I townread her.

If LLD is scum it goes way down

This is a strange take, I think?

Like, I think they are both town atm. But if one is scum, I am less sure why that would imply the other one was.

Their spoilers "neighborhood" convo would be a weird bit of theatre I think.

Have you forgotten Niamh(?)s entry into the Yggdrasil game and the convo she and neuterhalf had there?

No, I saw that, and even thought about it. But that was scum!lld talking to town!morph.

I am saying that it looked like it would be weird if they were both scum

They were both scum in Tenet. backwards thread before the timelines merged.

[Kate Bishop]

I have never looked at Tenet. But, I did think about Yggdrasil

Like, when it happened I

could

see that as scum!cabd buddying to town!lld.

and I

could

see scum!LLD taking advantage of a town!cabd's reach out.

(although, I have ended up town reading both, but I did consider those possibilities)

But the way it played out, with Cabd reaching out (and even saying that it could come across as buddying) and then LLD's response, the way it transitioned into spoiler tags, and then Cabd blatantly saying he would sheep LLD. Just over all, did not feel like it would be partner interactions.

Cabd has an enthusiastic day 2 ticket from me.

If I were giving out day 3 tickets, GiF's would be punched.

[Kate Bishop]

(I punched gifs cylo ticket don’t tell ffery)

[Kate Bishop]

Oh that’s what we’re going to do today? We’re going to massclaim?

[Kate Bishop]

I was trolling

Regarding which?

[Kate Bishop]

I was trolling

Regarding which?

Regarding his role claim that he made that I pointed out.

I thought it might be both!

[Kate Bishop]

@Rhiannon

I like asking open-ended questions. Sometimes I get back answers that wouldn't come out of an assumption-laden question.

You've hit on two posts of that nature this morning, so I don't think you realize that's often my approach.

[Kate Bishop]

@Rhiannon

I like asking open-ended questions. Sometimes I get back answers that wouldn't come out of an assumption-laden question.

You've hit on two posts of that nature this morning, so I don't think you realize that's often my approach.

Hit on?

I have no agenda this morning besides trying not to cry in despair that Unwnd has decided that he's going to push me using the narrative that people are too scared to kill me and that the game is boring simply because people decided to sheep me, despite my efforts in cultivating and asking for opinions across the board.

It's unforgivable. I'm actually really upset. More than your egotism when I pushed you as being scum. More than Titus deciding to call me a bully for no good fucking reason.

Making this statement about me, that he just made, is extremely harmful as a stereotype and I'm being serious about the unforgivable part. I've reached the "I really hope I'm right about you being scum" level of upset, because if Unwnd is town and saying this?

I don't think he understands the harm that kind of statement does.

I don't fully understand the hurt, but I respect it.

I was referring to your question mark post and the post answering my question to unwnd are what I'm talking about. I don't mind clarifying what I'm up to, but I kinda like to get the data first. I feel like my playstyle and yours don't intersect super well, and this was an attempt to open up the brain case and hopefully we both get better at reading each other over time.

[Kate Bishop]

I’m not asking you to out your tell but can you rephrase my part? I don’t know what you’re trying to say.

[Kate Bishop]

My read of DGB is taking some hits here.

[Kate Bishop]

It's good that you see it

I don't think you understand.

We've had a town-ish read there. I feel like what she's doing right now is kinda shitstirring an already plenty tense interaction.

[Kate Bishop]

No comment on #2139? Do I need to take my tell back.

Also, I know ffery is in there

Yeah, if notsci doesn't post (he's been phoneposting) I'll tackle it, but I think he'd rather answer you himself.

You know I'm in here, but I apparently don't factor into your read. :hitoshrug:

[Kate Bishop]

My take is I didn’t feel like I was playing similarly here at all. But I might be too close to the picture to see it. It did make sense when teexplained though, yes

[Kate Bishop]

You do, but I feel Notty is more strong in

The way I'm reading your slot? Don't take that as offense

I can only live in hope after your day 1 misread of BOTH of us last game.

[Kate Bishop]

You do, but I feel Notty is more strong in

The way I'm reading your slot? Don't take that as offense

I can only live in hope after your day 1 misread of BOTH of us last game.

I know it sounds hard to believe but sometimes I make reads that I don't actually believe in to get reactions

Typically, the person I vote at the end of the day? That's who I scumread

That includes if it's a wrong vote

don't entirely buy this because you got reactions over a course of many days and still claimed to be scumreading my hydra on day 2.

[Kate Bishop]

Did I vote you at the end of the day?

that's irrelevant to what I'm saying. reaction testing doesn't generally take weeks.

[Kate Bishop]

Reads aren't static, it's a process

Sometimes I change my mind, sometimes I don't

Which contradicts what you said 3 or so posts up.

I'm not belaboring this further, but I don't buy that your read in that game was some sort of obfuscation.

[Kate Bishop]

shitstirring

There is no way to say it delicately, so here it goes, it smells of scum manipulation. Maybe I'm factually wrong, but that's how my heartstrings are receiving it.

Having been on the receiving end of Niamh's(?) scum ATE manipulation, I'm not going to call it an unreasonable take, but I'm still townreading Rhiannon. I don't know the extent to which the system shares the same mafia toolkit so I try not to extrapolate play across the system members to a huge extent.

Which could be a mistake, but I'm more comfortable being wrong in that way, than being wrong in the opposite way.

[Kate Bishop]

shitstirring

There is no way to say it delicately, so here it goes, it smells of scum manipulation. Maybe I'm factually wrong, but that's how my heartstrings are receiving it.

Having been on the receiving end of Niamh's(?) scum ATE manipulation, I'm not going to call it an unreasonable take, but I'm still townreading Rhiannon. I don't know the extent to which the system shares the same mafia toolkit so I try not to extrapolate play across the system members to a huge extent.

Which could be a mistake, but I'm more comfortable being wrong in that way, than being wrong in the opposite way.

Unix, Linux, and OSX all share a base but are VASTLY different operating systems?

One of them can pop in and tell me how wrong I am to think of it that way, though!

Yeah, that's more or less where I'm at unless/until I have reason to think otherwise. The toolkit is presumably there, but that doesn't mean it gets used in the same ways.

[Kate Bishop]

apologies, DGB.

[Kate Bishop]

that makes a little more sense out of the mildness of the gentlebeing's reaction to my comment.

I was mollified.

[Kate Bishop]

[Kate Bishop]

least favorite page top of all time.

[Kate Bishop]

Like seriously I am the only one in this position?????????????????????

I think many, but not all, of the players were aware before the game started.

[Kate Bishop]

Just don't forget that Kyouko is the real scum here, and her partner is Cabd.

And the third scum is....

I'd like to hear about your Cabd read.

[Kate Bishop]

I'd like to hear about your Cabd read.

He's not really playing, he's just pissing around the pot.

Noted (not said in my pissy voice)

If I can get some sleep first, I'm going to do some meta-reading of ssbm games tonight.

Otherwise, tomorrow.

[Kate Bishop]

We can just simply lim Titus and shoot me/withhold vigshot.

this isn't an ordinary double day because we don't get a flip to evaluate before proceeding to the next elim.

[Kate Bishop]

We can just simply lim Titus and shoot me/withhold vigshot.

you did it again!

[Kate Bishop]

I don't target individuals I have global effects.

and you do or don't know what the effects will be?

[Kate Bishop]

I was a dreaming god in a game once upon a time

[Kate Bishop]

DGB HAS THE POWER OF FRIENDSHIP??

[Kate Bishop]

Lots of anime overcome their obstacles by using the bonds of friendship to help get them over the hump/empower them at the last minute.

[Kate Bishop]

Oh sweet summer child

This is concise unwnd

[Kate Bishop]

Luke’s just worried this is all bloodstained 2.0

[Kate Bishop]

I am just teasing you about your read Luke

[Kate Bishop]

LLD claimed being taken over by the kill which is a temporary gravedigger.

gravedigger is another name for coroner, which is a role that gets otherwise hidden information about a dead player.

That has nothing to do with LLD's claimed role.

[Kate Bishop]

Manatee you are stalling the day. Whoever you vote while dead at the end still has a chance to impact today and use their vote.

[Kate Bishop]

I’m not trying to be mean, but you need to consider gamestate if you are town

[Kate Bishop]

i think it is shitty to have a player effectively dead if the lim is not gonna happen for a while after. ive said this before and will say it again

Maybe I'm not a typical player, but when I'm town being foregone-dead pisses me off, but I still give a shit about my wincon and I still keep working through stuff. Knowing my thoughts are about to be confirmed town thoughts is consolation prize enough to keep trying to figure things out.

I think you overestimate the awfulness of being effectively dead in a mafia game.

[Kate Bishop]

Anyway.

I'm seriously short on sleep, but no nap for me :/

Luke, anything you want to discuss?

[Kate Bishop]

You're a good soul, manatee.

[Kate Bishop]

Luke, anything you want to discuss?

I've been out of the house most of the day, so I feel like I'm missing stuff from today, so I don't know atm.

At one point people were talking a lot about kyouko. What are your thoughts there?

Also, who is your top target for the vote out? Still wheme?

notsci's first DM to me after manatee's vote was "Now let’s kill wheme", so currently, yes.

Re kyouko, I've progressively liked her posts more over time, but I have concerns since DGB has pointed out she's been much more engaged than here in recent town games. Before I saw that, I was wondering if she tends to play in sort of catch mode and doesn't interact directly much with other players.

Given current state of sleep, I probably won't do any meta-ing until sometime tomorrow.

Have you played with her? If so, what do you think of DGB's take on her towngame?

[Kate Bishop]

That should say that I tunneled them day 1. I don't think it was clear as written lol

I undermeant what you stood.

[Kate Bishop]

Hi, I don't really like the turn this game has taken.

Manatee, what

are

you planning on doing?

There's a lot that has changed. what is included in the turn you don't like?

[Kate Bishop]

I'm having thoughts about the asynchronicity of the claims so far.

but

waiting is.

[Kate Bishop]

[Kate Bishop]

glhf with school starting, manatee!

[Kate Bishop]

I'd forgotten about that question mark.

[Kate Bishop]

That is not something the question mark suggested to me, but ok!

I was thinking dead neighborhoods or maybe something like pecanpie's role in paradox prime.

[Kate Bishop]

If Titus flips town my vote isn’t leaving probably

This adds to the pile of little pings.

[Kate Bishop]

I was thinking of a certain claim on the table!

[Kate Bishop]

I feel like we covered pregame how little I knew about the genre

[Kate Bishop]

Hi in the dark I’m notsci!

Speak of the devil and she shall appear

[Kate Bishop]

We’re discussing what we think the mods rule that says “Death is final?” means.

[Kate Bishop]

notsci's first DM to me after manatee's vote was "Now let’s kill wheme", so currently, yes.

Player	Votes	Voters
Titus	3	Lady Lambdadelta, Cabd, ManateeGal
Lady Lambdadelta	2	WhemeStar, unwnd
Whemestar	2	ssbm_Kyouko, Dunnstral
Lukewarm	1	Kate Bishop
ssbm_Kyouko	1	DrippingGoofball
Not Voting	---	Titus, marcistar, GuyInFreezer, Lukewarm, ManateeGal

We're going to do a meta dive of ssbm games before we vote again. probably tonight.

[Kate Bishop]

hey s_s!

I'm glad you replaced into a townish-ish slot.

We're working on a ssbm meta dive now. You played with her in Radio Buzz, I think. I'm curious what you think of her iso here.

[Kate Bishop]

@DGB

How would you compare this player list to the player lists where you've played with town-kyouko?

[Kate Bishop]

stuff like player personallities, speed of game, readability to unfamiliar eyes?

[Kate Bishop]

@DGB

How would you compare this player list to the player lists where you've played with town-kyouko?

I did a brief skim of my other 2 games with Kyouko. I would say that they were a much larger presence those games then they are in this one. So I can kinda see dgb's point.

This is a good point tho, and I would say that the player lists feel very different.

I also realized that in one of those games day 1 ended on page 27 and on the other day 1 ended on page 28, so very different games then this one x.x

Kyoko had about as many total posts this game as they had in the other two. So I could also see the difference being that she is just being drowned out more by the volume of other players posts this game?

That's what I'm wondering. We're a mouthy bunch.

Going back through her iso, I'm disagreeing a little with my earlier impression that she's been mostly posting in catch-up mode. She's had some good strings of interactive posts, and then kinda fell back a little the last few days. Holiday weekend, etc.

[Kate Bishop]

stuff like player personallities, speed of game, readability to unfamiliar eyes?

Speed of game and readability, I would say definitely comparable. In terms of personalities, there may be inhibitory factors but I would expect Kyouko to be pretty fired up about the claims.

By readability, I don't mean readability of the thread, how easily readable are the players compared to other games? Unless that's what you meant?

[Kate Bishop]

@Cabd

Do you think DGB's concerns about your play have some basis?

Spoiler: morphhood

In another gamestate I'd be extremely concerned about Katniss.

[Kate Bishop]

Alright, so we come away from some SSBM review slotting them fairly solidly into town. When they are here, they are doing good things. They aren't taking the forefront of the game, no, but I think that's most likely due to the fact this is a playerlist with a lot of strong personalities that is hard for a newer person to take the forefront in. Nevertheless, her involvement has been substantial. Also, when reviewing her games in terms of posting volume I only found two that matched our standard game postcounts, Radio Buzz and a large normal. So there is some merit to what DGB's saying, although it did appear like Kyouko is typically more present in lower activity games, which would again lend itself to taking more of a leadership role than compared to the F5 brigade. Also, her posts have grown more solid as the day has gone on.

VOTE: Whemestar

also-

Hi S_S!
-bad cop

[Kate Bishop]

Ngl, I kinda want to vote Marci :/

If she is off the table, I guess wheme is fine

VOTE: wheme

How is your null-sorting going?

[Kate Bishop]

You guys are shifting town. Marci and wheme shifting scum.

I was a little alarmed when you voted wheme right after us.

I'm not forever-townbinning marci, but I feel like I have plenty reason to let the game air out and develop some more. I'm not sure which world I'm inhabiting yet, but I'm extending some trust.

[Kate Bishop]

And scrolling through her iso, it is actually 7 straight posts of only quote responses to me, and then nothing at all. And it both seems weird that I am the only person she has interacted with in the last like 3 days. And its weird that she has disappeared. And its weird that she popped back up almost immediately after she was name dropped. And it is weird that even that did not lead to content.

On the gripping hand, it's a holiday weekend and the US (parts, anyway) is a lot more in lockdown mode than Canada is from what friends have been telling me.

[Kate Bishop]

Dreaming God is such a cool role.

In my game with that role, there was a 3rd party player whose wincon was to eliminate the player with my character name. It didn't work out to be the reason why my character name became known, but one of my abilities would have announced it to the game thread. Some of the global effects were subtle enough that I didn't find out exactly what I'd done until postgame.

[Kate Bishop]

If Titus flips town my vote isn’t leaving probably

This adds to the pile of little pings.

Bad post like cmon please tell me this isn’t ffery

Please talk about how your read of LLD has evolved?

[Kate Bishop]

Placement in tiers is strongest left to right

{Marci, LLD}
{Kate, Dunn, Gif}
{Uwnd, Ssbm, Manatee}
~Line of touch-ability~
{DGB, Wheme, Luke}
{Toog}


I am something like this. Time to break out the sad trombone?

This still more or less where you are at?