Mini 2228: Isekai uPick - Endgame

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I have my family coming into town next week. I'll be officially V/LA from Sept 21st-26th but am going to be busy getting things ready for them over the weekend as well.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I don't think S_S would be able to use their own role in death I think there would be special dead powers

So not doctor

I think my role indicates they should be the same in death, otherwise my watcher is unlikely to be useable in a game with this much kill power.

Which is also why I was thinking due to the length it took for that to come online, it might indicate that death was where the real game took place, but seems that's not the case since we got flips.

Kate's role too, my guess is they can still vig someone in their hood from the grave

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Mine doesn't hint at it directly, but considering I have to have tracked my target already to watch them it feels a bit slow, but much more effective if useable from the grave

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Think about how he treated you for your pick
I feel like his attitude towards his players might have upset her a little, plus she may have thought “look at these people with these interesting roles while I just have this powder keg of a role”

I kinda prefer not having a role sometimes, it's low presh. Like in 3d20, being Even-Night tracker was relatively weak compared to the other possibilities so I felt free to just bumrush for the roll claims without fear of it getting me NKed

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Are we still waiting on something btw?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I don't think S_S would be able to use their own role in death I think there would be special dead powers

So not doctor

I think my role indicates they should be the same in death, otherwise my watcher is unlikely to be useable in a game with this much kill power.

Which is also why I was thinking due to the length it took for that to come online, it might indicate that death was where the real game took place, but seems that's not the case since we got flips.

Kate's role too, my guess is they can still vig someone in their hood from the grave

Doesn't this lend credence to my role? Otherwise it can only be used on s_s when they are alive?

That's the point I think. Being an undead magnet is negative utility for town, and positive for scum imo. Anything anyone tries to do would be redirected. If I tried to track a scumread from the grave, I would see what S_S did and be none the wiser until after he died most likely, unless he decided to claim.

If you hadn't claimed anything here as scum, my track from the grave could falsely guilty someone else if you killed and my tracker got magnetized on to you.

Another active role we know town has is doctor - as a magnet, scum would be immune from vigilante kills no matter who S_S tried to doctor. As the doctor, S_S would never benefit from this.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I kinda feel it's just Dunn gamma cabd based on the shade coming my way from Gamma/Cabd because I have not just tunneled on Dunn today. But it would be easy for scum to bus today with a soft guilty on Dunn, so I'm not 100% sold on that team. Also feel like they've both mentioned their reads dont make a lot of sense, which is something I find myself thinking when I'm scum and have TRed too many town players. At some point the numbers dont add up, it gets hard for scum to have 3 reasonable.scumreads at this point because so many players are town telling or are pseudo-cleared by claims, that you have to start scumreading your buddies or your reads just dont make sense. That's kinda what happened to me.in large 233. The game was so close to POEd by clears I was forced to scumread and eliminate Titus, or my reads would just not have made any sense.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Your post links are broken, they probably are pointing to your hydra pt.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

hmm

[ssbm_Kyouko]

hmmmmmmmmmmmm..

[ssbm_Kyouko]

nah
VOTE: dunn

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Just so we're clear, this is the third time the story has changed.

First it was the mod ignored the Wheme vote.

Then it was you didn't think about the titus flip

and now it's you voted us.

I don't think you're wrong, but the way they've thrown themselves in front of dunn indicates to me he has something important to do at Night

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Have the mafia already guessed and the thread is unlocked on purpose or is this in secret like last time?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also are we eligible to vote no elim?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I hate this. I was ready to turn off my brain, and hopefully get results from wheme and kyouko before I had to think again.

I tried to submit my night action

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Two things.

One, crow is delicious.

Secondly, did anyone else pick up that Dunn did NOT claim their flavor accurately?

Rimiru Tempest

Hello Dunnstral! You are Hakurou

Yeah, he probably just picked the slime shapeshifter because he was fakeclaiming that he inherited powers which makes sense for a slime

[ssbm_Kyouko]

After seeing Dunn's role I'm down to buy LLD and Kate claims even more than before. Before the flip I'd been considering testing Kate's claim just to be safe. We already flipped Manatee's gated vigilante. Dunn had a way to reverse the vigilantes so I think Kate and LLD having access to vig is not imbalanced. It could even be scum have additional ways to dodge/block kills (GiF?)

As well as whatever is happening now. I feel like this is activated by scum intentionally, not predetermined.

I'm still thinking about what the ideal choices for lim are right now. Probably it's between Gamma and Cabd, but if Gamma is town, and his claim is true, scum would get access to a kill anyways, so the result is essentially the same. I feel like scum!Gamma crafted his claim with the intent that we would reach this conclusion when this double day scenario occurred. The logical conclusion here is "if he's town, eliminating him.gives scum a kill. Scum would choose someone else instead. If he's scum, scum would have chosen Gamma to protect, and they will get a kill."

It's a perfect claim for this situation, similar to how Dunnstral's claim was perfect for the situation. Someone has planned the scum fakeclaims out ahead of time. Probably once scum started getting info about claimed roles they began crafting claims to match. On top of everything else that's been said about Gamma, I believe I've found a meta tell on him and think it also indicates he is scum here.

Good news is, even if we get it wrong and 2 townies die, we're only in ELO tomorrow, and MELO if GiF comes back. We're not losing unless someone has a vig shot they've been hiding, and if that's the case they can just shoot whoever was going to get eliminated (assuming we fail and scum governs the elim)

Still thinking about what's optimal.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Kyouko your math feels wrong
Keep in mind, the kill from my role is 100% distinct from the NK.

Also if kyouko is scum she’s 100% with one of Kate/Cabd because that “meta tell” declaration reeks of the same stuff I saw in Xenoblade 2 against Cakez, and so if she’s faking it it’s because she’s being told to fake it.

Implying I ever cooperate with my scumteam

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Kyouko your math feels wrong
Keep in mind, the kill from my role is 100% distinct from the NK.

Also if kyouko is scum she’s 100% with one of Kate/Cabd because that “meta tell” declaration reeks of the same stuff I saw in Xenoblade 2 against Cakez, and so if she’s faking it it’s because she’s being told to fake it.

But also you're right my math is wrong

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'm not arguing there is a scum inventor

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'm saying there is a player on the scumteam that is crafting good fakeclaims

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I think that I am leaning towards no elim.

I don't think that the scum team would risk losing one of their own, on the chance that we no elim.

I think that Gamma is playing a bit suicidal, so I think he is protected.

Also, cabd. I don't have a night action, and my claim was confirmed by wheme, who from your pov is confirmed town, no?

I had forgotten about Wheme being conftown from town!cabd pov.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I think GiF will be back tomorrow. 7 alive, assume Gamma is town, we still end up 3-2 tomorrow if scum redirect to Gamma and get elim + kill from gamma elim + nightkill. With 5 alive in game going into the night I think S_S also has a decent shot at stopping the kill

VOTE: Gamma
No lim is fine as well but is no upside and same risk of scum calling the vote. Surely they chose one of no lim, Gamma, Cabd.

I'm also down to coinflip to decide between Gamma and Cabd, but there's no upside to no lim imo

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Just popping in to remind everyone I'm on VLA atp, have actually started pto so am not posting from work, and I still want to lim Gamma or Cabd this phase as no lim is lower risk, but has no upside, and he risk is not so low that it's worth pursuing it imo.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

The* risk

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I am at No Elim > Cabd/LLD > Kate >>>>>>>>Gamma > Me > kyouko / wheme

I'd like for you to unpack that order past No Elim.

I already explained why gamma, me, kyouko, and wheme are where we are.

That leaves cabd, lld, and you. (and again, gif is not an option today)

I am more inclined to believe you are town then cabd and lld. So, you are in your own slot. Congrats.

Really like how straightforward and lazy the explanation is, think it reinforces town!luke. At least I think in general that the carefree attitude indicates town. Not sure if it applies to Luke specifically but I feel town in this post.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

the rest is a blur of "I can see it if I squint really hard, but no one seems to fit quite right"

I am still about here. I have put zero energy into this new-part-of-the-day phase, and really thought we would just no elim and move on.

Instead, LLD appears to want to lead a push on me, and no one is leading any wagons anywhere else, so that is fun.

I wont vote you, I dont think kate or wheme will, though idk. I dont think you ever hit 4 toDay.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Sorry, I've been thinking about it.

I think no elim bluff call is indeed the right way to go.

Then scum can kill at most one of the two investigatives.

If anyone has extra protections they've held back in claiming they go onto wheme who is basically a factional cop AND rolecop.

Pedit: who is the Annie here in your metaphor?

Also, please, please, please engage with my list of reasons that we're scumreading you. :/

Dead serious question. Why? You literally don't believe me that troubadour was a sheer coincidence so why the hell bother? At this point I just hope that you're scary enough of a UTR that scum doesn't bring you to endgame to mislim me for the win.

It's beyond frustrating but that's how it feels.

How does one coincidentally choose the word troubadour to describe their reads? It's not really a common word to use and I feel it doesn't really make sense in the context it was used, indicating it was probably a crumb.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Deadline approaches. Anyone else going to vote Gamma/Cabd?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Someone hammer before deadline

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Thanks Luke. We'll see. If Luke dies we have to speedwagon at daystart due to deadline guide

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Assuming we dont hit scum here I should say, but I think we're going to if he isn't guarded

[ssbm_Kyouko]

@GiF,

notsci has only watched ngnl and season one of sword art online in the isekai subgenre.

Figured.

So listen to this.

During the night scum picked a character out of a board or characters and so did S_S to play the guessing game.
Out of all the weeb characters that players could pick the scum picked Knuckles. My guess is that scum probably didn't think too hard about who to pick so I'm inclined to think that whoever picked Knuckles is probably not a powerweeb.
And the rest of the playerlist are powerweebs.
How do you feel about this?

wait so what was the game? There is a board of characters, like a list? Scum picks one in secret and wins if town doesnt guess which one scum picked?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

This is why I also mentioned who votes whom.

Did everyone place their bets privately and were they all locked in before you announced your bet here in thread?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Worst case scenario assumption would be it's factional so let's stick with that assumption.

I'm pretty sure no elim was chosen to try and wifom an extra "kill" right? That town would be afraid to elim gamma as the obvious choice. And then scum gets the elim and a night kill to nuke two down at once. And then the bluff got called and we nuked gamma anyways.

Yeah the problem scum had was Gamma claimed a role that perfectly disincentivized us from eliminating him, which made it apparent when day 2 part 2: electric boogaloo came around, that his claim had been crafted in anticipation of that mechanic. Only scum would know that was coming. Probably betting on no elim was the only shot they had at swinging the game by double killing the investigatives because Dunn/Gamma were already dead in he water

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I don't know half of these characters so y'all decide.

Gabiru, Megumin, Kanna, Wanibe, Otto, Cerceus, Mizarisa, Chiho, Aira, Melty, Geordo, Pisto Shaz XI, Krusty, Millhiore, Knukcles, Aku, Oda Nobuna, Keita, Tiffania, Kumausa, Nokopara, Tomoe, Dimiurge, Poncho

24 characters? What were the rules of the game? How was the winner determined, do you know?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

24 characters? What were the rules of the game? How was the winner determined, do you know?

Both players (S_S, Silhouette) pick a character. They take turn asking other questions that can be answered with Yes or No. Whoever guesses the character first wins.

Oh so literally Guess Who, fun. Did you get to see the questions the silhouette asked?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Do you think you could identify the player that was making silhouettes posts by their tone/vocabulary/sentence structure/verbiage/posting style?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Or at least make an educated guess at their identity? Or not conclusive you think?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Still holding my result btw

[ssbm_Kyouko]

What were the yes/no questions Silhouette asked?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

What is your gender and what is your hair color arent yes/no questions though

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Okay and S_S is the one that picked Knuckles, or am I mixed up? Those are the questions the silhouette asked before guessing Knuckles I thought

[ssbm_Kyouko]

You have the character pictures right? What was the distribution of the Female characters' hair colors? Like how many red/black/white/brown/blonde/plus any other colors

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Kk that's fine. I do want them later, I wanna make sure the game played out logically before I assume you're telling the truth about isekai. Assuming you are telling the truth it should be mostly proveable and game should be relatively in the bag

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also knowing distro of males/females/non-binaries is relevant if there were enbys

[ssbm_Kyouko]

But there are pictures I thought?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I guess if they're enby it might be hard to tell from a picture actually, just the hair colors from the ones that look male to you would be good

Pedit: yeah^

[ssbm_Kyouko]

continuing my thought train from last night

on the other hand, the likelihood that the prize could be something as day-shattering as Gamma's role was yesterday is pretty low.

an extra vote in a no-discussion elim was pretty powerful and could have been far more damaging than it was. the most damage was the no-discussion vote itself. Maybe that was a dreaming god action.

I think it was Dreaming God myself. If GiF is to be believed, Splat (Show Your Strength) could have been hinting at strength in the form.of unity, and splat in the form of a kill.

As in, show that you can be unified (in voting) and get a(n extra) kill in the form of the silent elimination vote

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I hope he told you your anime tastes are as shit as he told me mine were.

*cries*

And... and then...
He told me he doesnt consider Death Parade a- a- an....
Isekai!

*cries some more*

[ssbm_Kyouko]

a drive thru

Of which said drivethru is a taco bell and you got a baja blast freeze, rite?

I'm calorie counting now and I'm a dew fiend - I used to bring 2 litres of Voltage to Melee tournaments and just drink right out of the bottle. Now I'm on diet dew and it's decent compared to the original, but let me tell you, the zero sugar baja blast ain't it

[ssbm_Kyouko]

There are two town players being really lazy in [lld, cabd, gif].

Looking at my interactions with Marci, and Marci's interactions with me (she basically pushed me all of day 1 up until her rep out, and I vocally scum read her all the way to her rep out)

And then looking at my interactions with Gamma - calling his rep in scummy, trapping him into voting dunn making him look like shit, hammering him in the governor phase.

I actually think that I am pretty clearly not aligned with that slot.

I think that Gif's is probably the most egregious, because he is at "bet the game that it is Luke" given his self vote plan (same would apply to cabd if he turns out to be town)

Like, I really think that those players have not even looked at me, and it is kinda sad.

I actually dont know if anyone pointed it out yet, maybe I already mentioned it, but my scumread on Cabd goes way back to... *ISOs Cabd*

Here.

Why have one bitter utter failure when you can have two, right?

No votes, this is MYLIM.

I'd like everyone to address why they votes who they voted.

P-edit: I was wondering if you'd try to get ahead of me here. Just one go at me in bloodstained wasn't enough, eh?

My first thought when I read this was "Cabd wants to know why I'm voting Dunnstral because I was TRing Dunnstral yesterday and Cabd knows there's only one reason I would have flipped on him overnight"

There's no way I can prove that of course, so I probably haven't said it yet, but it's been at the back of my mind for a while. And it's totally plausible that if Cabd were town here, and he might be, that he would have said the exact same thing. That's just the biggest thing that stands out to me about Cabd in this game, personally. As I recall he also tried to get around voting Dunn, but not as insistently as Gamma did.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I don't know half of these characters so y'all decide.

Gabiru, Megumin, Kanna, Wanibe, Otto, Cerceus, Mizarisa, Chiho, Aira, Melty, Geordo, Pisto Shaz XI, Krusty, Millhiore, Knukcles, Aku, Oda Nobuna, Keita, Tiffania, Kumausa, Nokopara, Tomoe, Dimiurge, Poncho

All right, hair color and assumed gender, leggo.

Gabiru - no hair shown on picture, clearly a lizard or some sort of pterodactyl

Male

Megumin - brown hair, female explosion enthusiast
Kanna - white-purple gradient hair, female
Wanibe - no hair, dinosaur 2

Male

Otto - Grey, male?
Cerceus - Blonde, clearly male
Mizarisa - red hair, female
Chiho - Pinkish hair, female
Aira - brown (looks kinda red-ish in in picture), female
Melty - red, female
Geordo - blonde, male
Pisto Shaz XI - No hair, idek

Male

Krusty - Kinda beige? Male
Millhiore - Pink hair, female
Knuckles - defo red hair, Echidna
Aku - yellow, female?
Oda - yellow, female
Keita - blonde, male?

male name, did not google

Tiffania - blonde, female
Kumausa - pink animal, probably female?

Presumably - voiced by females

Nokopara - blonde hair, definitely female
Tomoe - blue hair, uh male?

Female

Demiurge - dark brown hair, male
Poncho - brown hair, male

To be exact

- Is your character a female
- Does your character have red hair
- Is your character Oda Nobuna

S_S picked Oda. Silhouette picked Knucles.

Females, sorted by hair color:
Megumin - brown hair, female explosion enthusiast

From the same anime as S_S's uPick Aqua

Aira - brown (looks kinda red-ish in in picture), female

I can't find any pictures where her hair looks red

Mizarisa - red hair, female

Millhiore - Pink hair, female
Chiho - Pinkish hair, female

I can see this one being described as red. It is a pale color that is closest to orange but not quite pink or red.

Kumausa - pink animal, probably female?
Kanna - white-purple gradient hair, female

Tiffania - blonde, female
Nokopara - blonde hair, definitely female

Can't find this character, assuming that blonde and yellow hair would receive 'yes' to same questions based on Tiffania's hair

Aku - yellow, female?
Oda - yellow, female

Tomoe - blue hair, uh male? Female
Melty - red, female

I could only find a Melty with very plainly blue/purple hair - is this the Melty from the guess who? Moved melty down here to go with Tomoe

Spoiler: Melty image

So it seems like if scum asked "is your character's hair red" and guessed Oda Nobuna on no, I can only think they were assuming S_S picked one of the girls with an exposed bra. If that was their line of reasoning, I don't see why they would ask about red hair rather than blonde hair. I'm not sure about this.

Additionally, there is a 13-11 split of females and males. This close to 50-50, obviously, but I can't help but wonder why jjh would do this when balancing the genders 50-50 is about the easiest thing you can do when trying to make a balanced game of Guess Who? Working on the theory that GiF possibly replaced a male with a female (which would be Oda Nobuna). However, if this really was the split, selecting a blonde female is probably ideal because it provides the most "cover" - it is safe to assume each player will start by asking about gender because it removes the most possibilities, then hair color is probably the next-best question, so selecting the majority hair color within the majority gender is ideal for cover, even if it is "easier" for your opponent to get "yes" responses.

Right now I'm kinda leaning towards eliminate GiF but don't do it with the exact bets he says he made. Let's swap around a couple of the voters. If someone else is scum it's unlikely they guessed GiF, and if GiF is scum I just worry about a secret wincon that I want to avoid by deviating slightly. If he is town he should still win the "game" if we only change a couple of votes around.

There's also the concern about Dunnstral - why did he kill N1? Why didn't scum use LLD? I guess there is a concern about a roleblocker, but I feel like maybe they couldn't do it while GiF was gone.

Also, if I were town in GiF's position, I still put my bet on Cabd, because I have the advantage over scum of being able to publicly reveal my bet and tell everyone exactly how to vote. In GiF's shoes, I would have done something like bet that I (GiF) would vote someone unexpected like Luke or Kate (not safe to bet on Wheme or Kyouko in case they die), and bet that everyone else will vote Cabd. Maybe also bet that Kate (someone I TR) votes me (GiF). Then I explain the bet, put my vote on Cabd, and let everyone else (besides Cabd) vote as I bet. If Cabd is scum, the other 4 town will eliminate him. If someone else is scum who doesn't want to lose the bet, they might try to vote elsewhere but this could be tantamount to openwolfing, so they would probably have to concede and vote where GiF said to. even if they refuse and Cabd has to hammer himself, at best, scum could tie with GiF, unless they correctly guessed GiF would go for this strategy and correctly guess where GiF decided to bet his own vote would go. Then scum could win by 1 point because of their own vote being where they wanted it. But then it becomes obvious if the one dissident resulted in scum winning advantage that that dissident is scum.

Basically, GiF's bet doesn't make sense, and there are some shaky details with the dead thread. I feel like scum!GiF has been going for the mechanical clear so we should just lim him in a slightly different configuration

[ssbm_Kyouko]

GIF gets limmed.
Kate Bishop votes for GIF.
Cabd votes for GIF.
GIF votes for GIF.
Lukewarm votes for GIF.
LLD votes no elim.
ssbm_Kyouko votes no elim.

So this was the bet - let's swap one of the GiF voters for no elim voter. Swap Luke or Kate with either myself or LLD

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Like you are speaking of being mechanically clear by… getting myself limmed.

Mechanically cleared by Gamma not protecting himself while you were missing is what I meant

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also let me ask the mod if cropping a piece of a picture is against the rule.
Because I just googled Melty and you're right that Melty shows up with not-a-red-hair. Googling the cast of the same animu tells me that the actual name of the picture that is labelled as Melty is actually Malty.

Kk this makes sense, makes a little more sense to ask red now I think

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Actually the anime is re: zero right? Cant find melty

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Oh was there a penalty for guessing? Like did guessing replace a question, or did guessing come.directly after an answer and you got a guess every round?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Wait Dunnstral did thr kill instead of using me? It's guaranteed?

Yeah theres no part of Dunn's role that could target on N1 so it must have been the factional kill that I saw

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I think he no longer has access to isekai so he would have been typing up things manually that were saved in screenshots he was allowed to take

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Okay, got 8 days left. Been thinking and I still feel like Cabd or GiF are the correct lim here. Guess I'm going in circles too

[ssbm_Kyouko]

*clicks on page 1*

[ssbm_Kyouko]

hey friends! gonna claim cos its kind of important. im a doublevoter who kills a random townie if their second vote isnt on the lim wagon. i cannot move the second vote after placing it so i will probably be the one to hammer from here on out.

im super excited to play w everyone!!!

bringing this 2 new page just in case

I abjectly refuse to allow you to hammer anything.

You can have the second to last vote and we can coordinate that. But I refuse to allow you to hammer.

do you have a specific reasoning for this? if so please outline it

I do! I think you may be scum using my role claim as cover to do this play, where your role really cares about being the hammering vote on wagons to gain power.

It's a minor thought, maybe less than 10 or even 5 percent.

But if it IS true, it's always scum, so I refuse to allow you to hammer. Once we decide who dies, you can have 2nd to last vote, with your unmovable vote. But not hammer.

Shouldn't make any difference to you, right?

I'm taking notes down but I dont think scum ever makes this post. I am also reaffirming my Luke TR as I read.

@Rhiannon, I'm having a very hard time seeing Luke as scum. Where does your scumread on him come from?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

not sure if I'm voting atm so
UNVOTE:

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Hmm

[ssbm_Kyouko]

The case on Cabd seems decent but I don't agree with the assessment on LLD. I think Luke>Cabd is probably winning? Hard to say. Still deliberating.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: Luke

[ssbm_Kyouko]

LLD is not currently on you but presumably would vote you

[ssbm_Kyouko]

rip in pepperonis

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Cabd targeted Kate last night.
VOTE: Cabd

I tracked her the previous night, and last night watched her. My guess was that LLD couldn't be used consecutively and it seems that was correct.

I have a hood with them as well, that's why my activity dropped yesterDay.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Oh we have crumbs for the hood as well, have to grab them from the hood though as they're a bit buried

[ssbm_Kyouko]

My crumb:

O

kay

, got

8

days left.

B

een thinking and I still feel like Cabd or GiF are the correct lim here. Guess I'm

going in circles too

Kay+8+B = Kate B = Kate Bishop
Going in circles ties back to Cabd's previous post about "where are we going with this and crumbs that Kate went nowhere (going in Circles = getting (going) nowhere)

Soooo, where are we going with this?

Other than in circles.

Like I read Luke’s self-towncase. It does make sense in some degree.

However though

I townread Cabd
I townread Kate because why would they bis Gamma
I townread LLD for reasons described before
I townread Kyouko because why would she bus Dunn

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w our ongoing angst re our Cabd read. We're trying to do a full reset and reevaluation. If I ignore the frustration about being repeatedly shut down when I've tried to work with him, I feel like scum-Cabd would have made more actual effort to turn our read around. He has very explicitly not cooperated so many times. In some players that would be scum-indicative. In Cabd, not so much. Maybe that never-to-be

hood

, given his claimed role, would have helped. Or maybe that would have just added more reasons to be wary of him. Depending on how today goes, this might

be important for day 4

.

Kyouko + hood + important for D4 = Kyouko is in the hood and this post will be important on D4. KAte also spilled the beans early before I could get in and tell her I was planning on not revealing my track D3, when she said the kinetic potential of her role had been released.

Also, our hood potentiality is now kinetic.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

watched

Was this ever claimed before?

Yeah, I claimed it later after my initial claim, but on the same Day. I'll get the post

[ssbm_Kyouko]

LLD's claim lines up with her crumbs tbh. I'm going to vote Dunn.

Do we want to coordinate actions at all? Sounds like only Wheme and I have actives and nobody has a way to stop the scumkill except maybe S_S.

Actually since I'm set on this I'm going to claim the rest of my role. I'm a self-activated watcher. I can watch any player I have previously tracked, but can only watch any given player once during the game. I cannot multitask, so if we no lim, for example, I cant track someone else while I watch Dunn.

I'm claiming this in the hopes S_S will guess who the scum are likely to kill and protect either me or wheme

That is why I targeted Dunn, because I expected he would be NKed later, but not N1. It just so happened that he was the trooky tanuki doing the kill and I got lucky

[ssbm_Kyouko]

God this is wild, gonna compare messages

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Apparently luke was the winner of the game, told the threas, and he and notty wrote me a message after I became confirmed town from the hammer test

Gif listen to me

I have people in my PMs telling me cabd lied about the game and that it was some kind of personal scavenger hunt activity

You find the following message, but not all of it is legible:


G_F _s ly_ng. 150 ch_r_ct_r d__d cr__r.

N1 pow_r unknown.

N1 g_m_ _s corr_ct but G_F _s not _n d__d thr__d. N2 g_m_ _s cl__m_d by G_F _s m_d_ up.

-T_tus

So 2 messages.

"Titus" claims that GiF lied about the game, implying he is scum. Scum!Cabd or scum!Kyouko could send this message, conceivably.

"Luke and Notsci" have sent a conflicting message to conftown, saying it is in fact

Cabd

that lied about the game.

Since the messages conflict, at least 1 is a lie. Both are supposed to come from town, but at least 1 most come from scum impersonators.

LLD, is there anything in your message that ties back to the hood? Anything I can confirm or deny is in there in order to confirm your message came from Notsci (or scum!me, but I am town)

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I seriously doubt that Dunn dug up a bunch of personal stuff about you well ahead of being eliminated to prepare it for his buddy to use to impersonate dead townies later. Much more simple is that Luke/notsci sent you the message. BUT! Do you think Luke/Notty would reasonably be able to recall as many details as they recount in the message, or does it seem like someone dug through discord for details to confirm themselves to you?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Because notty is a smart guy and I'm also intelligent and of the roles were reversed I would also refer back to something in the hood

[ssbm_Kyouko]

This is all kinda moot though because Cabd visited Kate, and he has no excuse the way Dunn did

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also if I were scum, I was at 0 risk of elimination during the governor vote, and I was pushing for Gamma's elim during that vote. That vote clearly protected Cabd or No Lim, and if I were scum, Gamma would have been protected probably

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also btw, with Luke dead, plurality is in effect. Deadline will occur at some point between 1 week and 2 weeks from daystart.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I really don't think LLD is gonna need a week.

She's decisive when she needs to be.

This is transparently manipulative

[ssbm_Kyouko]

(That's because your reads were driven by an agenda to miseliminate town)

[ssbm_Kyouko]

The day begins!




VC4.0

Player	Votes	Voters
Not Voting	---	ssbm_Kyouko, Cabd, Lady Lambdadelta, GuyInFreezer

With 4 alive it takes 3 to eliminate.

I consider this one of the worst isekais ever made.

The day will end some random time after (expired on 2021-10-18 00:15:00), or when an elimination is achieved.

This timer is set for 24 hours prior to the 1 week mark where the invisible deadline kicks in
(expired on 2021-10-17 00:15:00)

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Riddle me this batman

If I sent the Titus message, why wouldnt I implicate GiF in the message from Luke and Notty as well? Or if you think I'm lying about my result, why wouldnt I claim GiF did the kill instead, to line up with the message from "Titus" - obviously Cabd sent the Titus message, which is why he's so focused on it, because his only play toDay is to kill the number 1 proponent for his elimination and pin it on someone else.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Like why claim it was GiF as Titus? Either you're the real Titus and GiF lied, which means Gamma chose not to guard himself with the governor

(???)

, or you're scum lying about being Titus. Scum!GiF never implicates himself, LLD is conftown now, leaving only Cabd and I.

Think about it. If you're Cabd and you're choosing who to kill and who to frame with a public message, you kill Kate and you frame GiF.

If you're me, you kill GiF and you frame Cabd. It's that simple.

Pedit: we have not established that at all, what are you talking about? What makes you think they sent it?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

GiF was essentially mechanically confirmed anyways, because scum would have to be braindead (or celestial-brained?) to not protect Gamma with the governor. Why would I not kill the mechanically close-to-confirmed, claim that LLD did the kill, and then take the easy Cabd miselim with Kate alive?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Like Kate TRed me and SRed Cabd and only backed off of Cabd because of ATE by him. We had a long conversation about scum!Luke in the hood before we settled on that for yesterDay.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Anyways I have to do work, gonna dip for a while, but I will answer any questions you have, so don't rush because I've left. I will be back.

Pedit: you've literally claimed INFORMED. There's your scum info. Who's to say you dont have more information about the setup, and you chose to fakeclaim with part of your informed?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

That's obviously not all you're informed of

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Okay then.

What does 5234 refer to exactly? What "pre game information" would scum-me have that rounds out reflexive-activated-pgo and extraelim-granter?

Like we've proven that i knew Shiro or Sora was in the game, and that there ~IS~ a game in the dead thread, but that's about it. What other info exactly do you think I have?

Probably an extension to what you've revealed - maybe you knew all of the flavors in the game, but not who had them? It would allow the scumteam to make their own fakeclaims

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I also thought about "would Kyouko turbo-bus both scumteam" but then I guess if Kyouko was in the hood with Kate and Kate lockscum'd Gamma I guess she had no choice?

I didn't join the hood until after Gamma was eliminated. D2 had like 3 eliminations, the blind one, the normal one, and the governor one, and I tracked Kate on N2. Her reflexive neighbor kicked in and I joined the hood the morning of D3. There was also some push for no elimination during the governor vote, and I argued against that and lead Luke toward hammering Gamma rather than "playing it safe" with no elim. I outlined that attempting to elim scum was just strictly better than no elim because scum was definitely choosing amongst the same pool we were considering, which was Cabd, Gamma, and No Elim. There was no advantage to be gained by going elsewhere, and No elim has the downside of not eliminating scum if scum guessed incorrectly. Best expected value was to eliminate Gamma or Cabd, as scum was equally likely to choose one of them as no elim, but if they get it wrong in that case we lim scum. So no elim was just strictly the worst option for town, and I convinced Luke of that, leading to Gamma's elim.

Would I turbo-bus both scumteam? No, never. Would I have turbo-bussed them both if someone

else

had tracked Dunn to the kill, and Gamma tried to save Dunn like he did on D2? Yes, probably. But that is not what happened - I tracked Dunn because he seemed like he would be a prime target to die on a later night after Cabd or Kate, and I wanted to prep to Watch him. This is in line with my D1 play, and makes sense when you consider the consensus reads on Dunn, Cabd, and Kate, and their perceived strength as players. I thought it was likely that Cabd or Kate would die on N1, so I went for the next-best choice, which, imo, was Dunnstral, and I happened to get lucky and catch him killing.

Could go back to D1 and look at interactions with LLD. Clearly scum left her alive in order to use her for kills, so players that supported LLD's toogeloo push are prime suspects (Cabd, who was sheeped by

Wheme

)

[ssbm_Kyouko]

As so, not with a bang, but with a whimper...

Why doesn't scum-me just murder you instead?

It's not like LLD was opposed to thinking it was Kate here.

Lexi, does your role in any way state limitations on the mafia team using you? I'm betting it doesn't!

The "downside" is already claimed, if the kill fails, lexi gets the day kill.

This seems TMI fwiw.

I lied about my claim. I tracked (not watched) Kate last night because I felt she would be my only blind spot and that if it wasnt her it was clearly Cabd. I implied to her I'd be Watching her, just in case LLD's brainwash was non-consecutive like Dunn's.

I think this demonstrates that I am actually uninformed because Cabd is more aware of how your role works than you had let on. I didnt realize the limiter on your role was "if you're used 3 times you unlock the vig", but Cabd seems to be aware that you are ungated. He never once denies that he killed Kate, only argues that you killed Kate (via brainwash of course) because he knows that's what happened.

I, on the other hand, tried my best to sus out how your role might work with the limited information I had (Dunn's flipped role) and gambited with that. It hasn't paid off so I'm outing now while there are still a few days to discuss before the 1 week hits and the random deadline begins. I also mechanically caught (consensus townread) scum N1, and Cabd argued in defense of mechanically caught scum on D2. I think D2 alone should speak to our alignments.

If you have any questions I'll be around.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I also told the hood that I was lying about my claim so as not to throw off the dead thread, but I suspect Kate no longer can read that thread. Not sure.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I didnt realize the limiter on your role was "if you're used 3 times you unlock the vig", but Cabd seems to be aware that you are ungated. He never once denies that he killed Kate, only argues that you killed Kate (via brainwash of course) because he knows that's what happened.

If Cabd is acting like he is aware of LLD's role being ungated and LLD's role is actually gated, wouldn't that actually suggest the opposite?

I think I get what you're saying but we're talking about different gates. Cabd implies he is aware that LLD's brainwash is NOT non-consecutive by saying "I bet it doesn't" - he has no way of knowing this if he is uninformed.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

The day begins!




VC4.0

Player	Votes	Voters
Not Voting	---	ssbm_Kyouko, Cabd, Lady Lambdadelta, GuyInFreezer

With 4 alive it takes 3 to eliminate.

I consider this one of the worst isekais ever made.

The day will end some random time after (expired on 2021-10-18 00:15:00), or when an elimination is achieved.

This timer is set for 24 hours prior to the 1 week mark where the invisible deadline kicks in
(expired on 2021-10-17 00:15:00)

Bumping this timer. This is set for 1 day before the random deadline

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I dont play much on the weekends - GiF, what did you mean by me proving myself after Titus post was not proven? Post was worded weird and I didnt get it.

LLD, I chalk this up as a win for myself regardless of who you hammer. I kinda slayed on Dunn and to some extent Gamma. The only way I feel bad in any way about this game is if it's actually GiF, and then I don't even feel that bad, again because of the Tracker guilty and out-WIFOMing scum on the governor vote. Idk if anyone is going to be upset if you get it wrong, but I know I won't be.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Oh I tried to get knight Chartreuse on Chromatic, also yes @mod could you redact that one area that I marked for redaction? I'll put the post# in the hood

[ssbm_Kyouko]

PMed redaction since hood is locked

[ssbm_Kyouko]

what are you redacting Kyouko? Nothing game related I hope, something personal right?

cause if it's a game thing redacting it would be kind of bad

One part of my read on Luke. It turned out to be wrong obviously, but I dont want him to try to replicate it intentionally as scum in the future to appear town to me

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I wasnt going to share it if I couldn't redact it, as I felt my case was solid enough without it.