mini theme 2229: MBOS 13 schweppes' pulpy potions daya 5

[Dwlee99]

Who is you

Is that me?

Oh no

[Dwlee99]

Excuse you, being teenage is so yesterday.

[Dwlee99]

Scum will have 3, 4, or 5 pain potions between them [very likely]. This is about 2 kills by themselves. There are a lot of harmos floating around so I would think scum would try to stack on town's pain potions by targetting slightly scummy town.

Which is why I'm surprised you weren't attacked last night.

[Dwlee99]

I'm okay voting emperor I think.

[Dwlee99]

Okay then let's vote emperor or do something. Game is stalled and I don't agree with your premise that mastina has to be town here

[Dwlee99]

Okay then let's vote emperor or do something. Game is stalled and I don't agree with your premise that mastina has to be town here

Do you have an theory on scum!Mastina?

I don't feel comfortable townreading her for big posts with conclusions I disagree with. Like her read on Bingle doesn't give me reason to townread her because I think she uses a lot of words to say something completely illogical. The case was that he scumslipped and now it's... I don't even know what it is because it's been too long for me to remember but it wasn't convincing.

[Dwlee99]

Okay then let's vote emperor or do something. Game is stalled and I don't agree with your premise that mastina has to be town here

Okay
So theoretically even though this is exactly mastina's town meta if mastina is scum tuneling town Bingle for no apparent reason... I actually don't know.

Metabad

[Dwlee99]

Okay then let's get emperor or rce or something

[Dwlee99]

EVERYONE

what does lilith gain as scum by confirming us paining bingle?

I ORDER YOU ALL TO THINK ABOUT THAT

-mommyditzda

If bingle isn't scum?

[Dwlee99]

How about RCE?

[Dwlee99]

How about RCE?

Nobody is voting RCE.

I am I think

[Dwlee99]

We can try for plurality lol

[Dwlee99]

What does FC have to do with me?

[Dwlee99]

Bingle town limit town get RCE

[Dwlee99]

Happy scum day broseph

[Dwlee99]

Bingle town limit town get RCE

[Dwlee99]

So bingle no potion and no see other potion. Not mafia

Limit give good gut feeling. Not mafia

Rce bad vibe >:(

[Dwlee99]

I did not intend to I'm just lazy

[Dwlee99]

That's what we thought about Titus

[Dwlee99]

I’d rather not do D1 three times if we can avoid it.

Do you think RCE flip gives us info?

[Dwlee99]

Who is the scum bingle give me three+ names

[Dwlee99]

If FC flips town how does your list change?

[Dwlee99]

Also your list is bad because you have 3 in your null+scum list but uh I'm town and you need more people beneath that line

[Dwlee99]

I think your bottom three are all town lol

Maybe limit is scum, I could see that before fairy.

[Dwlee99]

I really don't trust everyone's mastina read here but we can save that for after other flips. I think a plausible scum team is RCE/Emperor/Mastina

[Dwlee99]

Bingle
Green cap
Norwee

Fairy
Limit
T3

Mastina
Emperor
RCE

My middle is like town leans but calling the scum team is unlikely so I'd reeval in there if people in bottom list flipped town but I'd think t3 is scum over limit rn but I'm sort of hazy on it if that makes sense.

[Dwlee99]

I think the idea that mastina genuinely believes this push is not solidly founded. What's your RCE thing? You pointed out a townie thing but I don't think that is super impossible for scum or anything

[Dwlee99]

It strikes me as disingenuous because she said the potion thing was a scum claim when it very clearly is not, and then she never even bothered to reevaluate her read. All of her posts have lots of words but I don't think really follow logically and the conclusions she reaches are bad imo.

Wrt RCE, It's more a vibe than something concrete tbh. I can do an actual look through if you want me to.

[Dwlee99]

I may have exaggerated my Limit read,but I still think they are scum.

Can you give me a reads thing

[Dwlee99]

I thought you knew me better t3

[Dwlee99]

I thought you knew me better t3

You're the guy who says metabad.

Touché...

[Dwlee99]

Btw i don’t know if this has been brought up earlier. But if you have healing potions it might be wise to use them on slots that are likely nightkill targets for scum.

I was planning to no action til I saw this post!

[Dwlee99]

Sorry I'm feeling a little antsy

[Dwlee99]

How about you norwee who is evil

[Dwlee99]

Okay I'm writing this down thanks

[Dwlee99]

I actually am not but good to know

[Dwlee99]

I was about to say...

[Dwlee99]

So like t3 there's some issues here with your solve. Do you wanna talk about it?

[Dwlee99]

Even if you're right on limit and emperor, meta still bad because you assumed I was scum to reach that conclusion.

[Dwlee99]

But you want me to agree with meta being good for telling me two people are scum but the entire reasoning is assuming I'm scum so no meta still bad even if emp and limit are scum.

[Dwlee99]

Gamestate read: there's a deepwolf and it's mastina

[Dwlee99]

Okay sure let's kill emperor then!

[Dwlee99]

(I don't consider emperor really deepwolf territory because he is less widely townread)

[Dwlee99]

Yes let's just kill an slot that's still needing replacement and can't even defend themselves that sounds like an great idea.

Now you're getting it

[Dwlee99]

Datisi reads

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: TLDNE
I just want something to happen

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: RCE
I changed my mind and I don't feel like going along with this just because no one is willing to agree with me. If limit is scum someone is definitely bussing here but none of the pushes feel like bussing so limit is probably just flipping town here.

[Dwlee99]

And maybe I'm wrong and if limit flips scum egg on face etc. etc. but gamestate read just tells me this is wrong and almost the entire town is going along with deep wolf BS.

[Dwlee99]

You just moderated a game where I vibe solved not_mafia + deepwolf at one point

[Dwlee99]

And I know you read it cause you posted it in your mod PT!

[Dwlee99]

Individual reads:

Me
(for math)
Conftown people

Math/Kyo

Salsa/Marci

NM

Together reads: my gut is telling me NM + a deep wolf, but obviously this doesn't match with the individual reads in a quantifiable way. Might be as simple as NM + one of Marci/salsa. I don't really think that Marci and salsa are scum together though? Based on what I've seen?

Ouch tbh

[Dwlee99]

Cringe is losing

[Dwlee99]

The recently ended micro that we clutched my winning solve was basically vibe cause the scum were lurking and town were being scummy on purpose lol

[Dwlee99]

I don't know what it is but some games feel better to read on vibes and some on looking at other things. I mean, at the end of the day I think any reasoning on a slot's towniness comes down to whether the vibe feels like town, but just adding layers of abstraction that are meant to help you figure out that vibe.

This game with this playerlist has felt right to pure vibe rather than use abstractions, and I think I was right about that given my reads on ico/skitter.

[Dwlee99]

If Limit is scum I'll consider sheeping you

[Dwlee99]

My RCE scumread is probably influenced by recency bias

[Dwlee99]

Mmm I feel like whatever we do I will not feel good about it. I can't nail someone as definitely scum but I just am not feeling like consensus reads are correct right now

[Dwlee99]

T3 did you ever try to meta for my alignment rather than my positioning with scum buddies?

[Dwlee99]

Btw we are in 7-3 rn so mislimming actually might mean we lose on parity. Cause scum probably have three kills ready and it seems like people are going to make sure Bingle dies

[Dwlee99]

UNVOTE:

[Dwlee99]

Three kills ready but noone target Mastina/GCB?

GCB is watcher bait and mastina I am not convinced is town. Was there harmography on Mastina? Don't feel like checking

[Dwlee99]

I want a list of everything claimed but am on mobile so maybe later when I go back on desktop I can reason through everything

[Dwlee99]

Ah fun. So I feel like it's reasonable to think scum all used pain potions if they had one. Do you agree?

[Dwlee99]

^hence three kills probably lined up

[Dwlee99]

That was all bingle centric.

I feel like no paining N1 would be a bad strategy

[Dwlee99]

Scum will probably have 3 4 or 5 pain potions = not 3 kills.

Well if there was friendly fire three kills could still happen but this is true. Maybe not paining N1 is a working strategy if scumteam can pain N2 and N3 before the potion reset

[Dwlee99]

Not paining also would assume they don't get eliminated the next day and lose their potions

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: RCE
I changed my mind and I don't feel like going along with this just because no one is willing to agree with me. If limit is scum someone is definitely bussing here but none of the pushes feel like bussing so limit is probably just flipping town here.

And maybe I'm wrong and if limit flips scum egg on face etc. etc. but gamestate read just tells me this is wrong and almost the entire town is going along with deep wolf BS.

why do you feel like there'd be bussing and is there anything else making the ~gamestate read~? eli5, i haven't been around too much.

-D

The idea behind my gamestate read here is that there doesn't really seem to be resistance to pushing limit except from me. And the game being dead makes me feel like scum are sort of happy with where we are headed. In the hydra micro that just ended, scum kinda just did nothing while town roamed around and murderized each other the first two day phases. Feel like something similar might be happening here. But maybe scum!limit is just kinda giving up and scum are hoping someone picks up no one is resisting it?

[Dwlee99]

The idea behind my gamestate read here is that there doesn't really seem to be resistance to pushing limit except from me.

You/me/FC, actually.

FC might be scum but I'm pretty sure you're town so this supports my point that I think scum are going along with it

[Dwlee99]

Kinda unironically think we should no-exe because this could be mylo.

-S

I actually had a similar thought

[Dwlee99]

I'm fairly confident GCB is just scum here fwiw

-S

Why?

[Dwlee99]

It is very unlikely this is XLO actually and also I pointed out that this was likely an arsonist mechanic yesterday when arguing a strategy no one would listen to. If this is any form of XLO, no eliming does basically nothing to help.

It is xlo if there is a damage done on three town and scum each have a pain potion.

[Dwlee99]

New PFP wow

Yea limit I feel like mastina is more likely deepwolf than GCB.

[Dwlee99]

How possible is FC/RCE/Limit team?

FC is

probably

not scum as in I wouldn't touch them today.
I would say Dwlee/Aristeia/Limit?
Only thing I'm almost absolutely sure about in my PoE is that Dwlee/Bingle is not s/s. Dwlee/RCE could be s/s but probably not and if Dwlee is scum he's been treating Aristeia and Limit like he would usually treat his scumpartners.

How have I been treating emperor and limit like my scum buddies? I can kinda see how you could see it with limit but if emperor is scum with me why would I come up saying he is probably evil?

[Dwlee99]

Yea limit I feel like mastina is more likely deepwolf than GCB.

Why have 0 people listened to her all game then

-S

Mastina as scum pushes things that make sense.

-S

Bingle almost went through on mastina just saying "scum claim" lol

[Dwlee99]

bingle, teal dear on dwlee/fc being below your null line? you can link it if you've explained it elsewhere

-D

Anti town setup spec with a clear lack of desire to engage and reevaluate when called on it, wk-y feels from him when he was being associative read with norwee/t3 by Titus, wk-y feels regarding me.

Also gut.

It’s not a crazy strong read though, and I’m open to the possibility that I’m wrong there if you wanna try to convince me.

How can you say no desire to reevaluate or engage when I have been trying to get something out of people the past couple of days and I haven't done any anti-town setup whatever cause I harmographied last night.

[Dwlee99]

How can you say no desire to reevaluate or engage when I have been trying to get something out of people the past couple of days and I haven't done any anti-town setup whatever cause I harmographied last night.

No desire to reevaluate specifically your setup spec D1 where you advocated letting people shoot wherever the fuck they felt like. Not no desire to revaluate your reads. That was a continuation of point 1.

I’m kinda confused why me thinking that’s scummy is news to you when I’ve been talking about it for like a week.

I already explained that I wanted scum to think I'd shoot, not that I was actually going to.

[Dwlee99]

In advance to explain the above^ they might shoot someone thinking I would so they die. If they think I'd shoot scum they might use a jailkeep on scum to protect them when that isn't necessary, etc.

[Dwlee99]

I think my reads are pretty damned good considering the amount of resistance they have in a frankly stale game.

-Malefleacent The Wise

Did you give a list?

[Dwlee99]

Me trying to understand how mastina doing a very shitty push and focusing on it is townie

[Dwlee99]

Bingle what do you think would differentiate town and scum!me's defense of you?

[Dwlee99]

Also saying that Norwe posted no content which is uh false.

Being wrong is scum because?

-S

The word lying comes to mind.

VOTE: t3
I don't think town!t3 makes this post

[Dwlee99]

I asked you to get your thought process not cause I'm concerned about me...

[Dwlee99]

Also saying that Norwe posted no content which is uh false.

Being wrong is scum because?

-S

The word lying comes to mind.

VOTE: t3
I don't think town!t3 makes this post

Just grabbed why I think this:

Imo provable lies are nai.

[Dwlee99]

because its clear that this isn't tvt.

How can you determine that

[Dwlee99]

The context on that quote is a player saying they didn't do something that they did in fact do.

[Dwlee99]

Now okay this case is kind of stupid but also sort of legit

[Dwlee99]

The context on that quote is a player saying they didn't do something that they did in fact do.

link the lie?

he wanted dwlee to prove himself n vote me n when he did he said he was mafia

That is absolutely not what I did.

ummmm....

this is like WIFOM territory of would scum blatantly lie about their actions.

[Dwlee99]

Okay so Dwlee misreping me and limit suddenly coming along with an epiphany is annoying.

I don't think it's misrep to say that you had previously said that provable lies are NAI and now you're trying to argue that this is different when I don't think it is to when you said it.

[Dwlee99]

Where is bertholdt

[Dwlee99]

I'll intent to hammer

[Dwlee99]

So can I hammer now

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Limit
Mastina convinced me this is the best flip regardless of alignment so flip time

[Dwlee99]

Mastina had convinced me before I posted 2352

If this is green imagine blaming me

[Dwlee99]

Spoiler:

votey 2.2.2.2.2.2.2 !

The Limit Does Not Exist (5):

Green Cap Boys

, Aristeia, mastina, T3, NorwegianboyEE

T3 (3):

Dwlee99, The Limit Does Not Exist, Fairy Circle

Fairy Circle (2):

RCEnigma, Bingle

not voting (0):

with 10 alive, it takes 6 to cause someone to fall into a swamp full of friendly bugs. day 2 ends in (expired on 2021-08-29 21:20:00)

modorator notes

• poton

Wow that sure is wacky

[Dwlee99]

Scum claim?

[Dwlee99]

I'm sorry for hammering you

[Dwlee99]

Part of my idea there was that you probably shouldn't live to xlo. I'm kinda annoyed that this game is going like this because it feels like there is so much stall and inertia that nothing can be done about and I feel like I've PoE'd decently but when it feels like the entire game is against what I'm solving this as it's hard to not just say fuck it we need a flip to reeval

[Dwlee99]

I want to care and be passionate about this game so it’s sad when some slots say "f this game"

[Dwlee99]

Lol I was right on all my reads

[Dwlee99]

Amazing. Astounding.

[Dwlee99]

Yes I was and fighting the lim and then I just said fuck it at the end because the game wasn't leaving them to ELO and other wagons refused to go through.

[Dwlee99]

Bingle
Green cap
Norwee

Fairy
Limit
T3

Mastina
Emperor
RCE

My middle is like town leans but calling the scum team is unlikely so I'd reeval in there if people in bottom list flipped town but I'd think t3 is scum over limit rn but I'm sort of hazy on it if that makes sense.

VOTE: TLDNE
I just want something to happen

VOTE: RCE
I changed my mind and I don't feel like going along with this just because no one is willing to agree with me. If limit is scum someone is definitely bussing here but none of the pushes feel like bussing so limit is probably just flipping town here.

And maybe I'm wrong and if limit flips scum egg on face etc. etc. but gamestate read just tells me this is wrong and almost the entire town is going along with deep wolf BS.

[Dwlee99]

also, now that those flips have flipped that, can anyone offer me an actual good reason to townread mastina?

-D

Why weren't you here yesterday I was saying Mastina is evil

[Dwlee99]

Team up with me so we could stop her.

[Dwlee99]

Anyway I'm claiming my action last because I think I'm the most obviously town here. It's ELO, don't just vote willy nilly etc.

[Dwlee99]

You go second to last so don't claim yet. I'm gonna make an order. It should just be N2 actions.

[Dwlee99]

mastina
RCEnigma
Aristeia
T3
NorwegianboyEE
Green Cap Boys
Dwlee99

Should be the claim order.

[Dwlee99]

Gonna think about if the order should claim who they pained or what they saw with their harmography or if we should do separate rounds.

[Dwlee99]

I think we might be alright. I am pretty sure you and GCB are town so if we can get gamestate to killing all four of the other players before we three die we can win.

[Dwlee99]

Your idea for me scum is that I spent yesterday pushing none of the 3 town all with wagons but instead tried to counterwagon anything else.

[Dwlee99]

Like yes I hammered at the end because that lim was inevitable and we needed the game to unstall, but why does scum!me do any of that yesterday knowing I had put all three suspicious town in my town reads.

[Dwlee99]

And that entire sequence honestly makes me feel like maybe emperor was town and you/mastina/rce are the scum.

[Dwlee99]

Anyway can we get people to start following my claim order? Thanks.

[Dwlee99]

I think top four in my list all claim pain and if so who in order. Then the top four should claim harmo/doc then jailkeep last. Then me norwee and GCB can just claim our stuff after all of the top four are claimed.

[Dwlee99]

Your idea for me scum is that I spent yesterday pushing none of the 3 town all with wagons but instead tried to counterwagon anything else.

who

Bingle, fairy, AND limit I had in my townreads.

[Dwlee99]

You were supposed to be last in the order but that's fine lol

[Dwlee99]

I mean unless you think it is me/GCB/norwee my bottom three should be pretty decent fypov cause I'd be letting my scum buddies claim without knowing what GCB or norwee did.

[Dwlee99]

Where in my listing do you want me to claim?

[Dwlee99]

My play in ODM is similar to my play here because I know how to emulate my town meta

[Dwlee99]

But yesterday I pushed emperor/RCE and townread all three of the people you were pushing. So either I'm scum with two of t3/GCB/norwee, which your reads list does not support that being your solve, or I decided to just lolbus my partners for no reason yesterday.

[Dwlee99]

I kinda want to townread mastina just for the massive wall of effort but ffs scumreading me here is so so so stupid and if town she will have basically lost us the game by getting FC/Bingle/Limit AND me killed

[Dwlee99]

he checks off the metrics for what I'd expect scum to have done given all of {Titus, FC, Bingle, TLDNE} being town.

Also, I went along with your plan for killing limit because you said it was the best misflip we could have if it was town. I went along with YOUR plan and now it's how you think scum would play with the gamestate. Ridiculous

[Dwlee99]

Can Mastina be BoP'd?

[Dwlee99]

Okay: I pain potion'd RCE so they might be one hit unless doctor/jailkeeper stuff gets involved.

[Dwlee99]

I was thinking we could flip Ari then potion RCE but if you want to do it the other way we can.

[Dwlee99]

I do not follow your reasoning there

[Dwlee99]

Hold up
Wait a minute

Fill my cup, put some liquor in it

[Dwlee99]

Day 2. Fairy shot Bingle and said she would do it again.

[Dwlee99]

Imagine if we had flipped emperor or rce yesterday

[Dwlee99]

RCE did I thought @t3

[Dwlee99]

I think t3 thought he may have caught a scum slip

[Dwlee99]

I took a shot at FC last night hoping that at least two others saw the major swing away from FCs elim yesterday. I was 100% when I said that a town!Titus flip would earn FC a bullet.

Mastina you are going to have to hardsell bingle as scum imo, if he is he'd have to be a far removed third from FC and whichever of Norwee/T3/dwlee is just scum and not derptowning this game.

Found it

[Dwlee99]

Norwee how sure are you on t3 and mastina

[Dwlee99]

If the team is like t3/norwee/mastina I'll be mad

[Dwlee99]

Can we get claims from last night's actions please?

[Dwlee99]

My issue here is we are locktowning the person that gave us 3 of our misflips.

[Dwlee99]

And any meta that is that easily verifiable is arguably a trust tell. I haven't read any of the meta arguments though and I don't plan on it.

[Dwlee99]

Well given she wants to kill me uhhh

[Dwlee99]

Ikr

[Dwlee99]

If the team is like t3/norwee/mastina I'll be mad

this is actually what's going through my head right now

not t3 necessarily, but i'm genuinely wondering if norwee/mastina can be paired up here. both are obviously angling towards rce, both are sinking my slot for ??? reasons after apparently townreading us all game, and norwee's shade towards retti doesn't feel like a natural conclusion

that said, as much as i hate second hand meta, it's probably not a good idea for me to get locked onto this read without even *trying* to figure the apparently obvious meta differences out. we'll see if i'll have enough willpower for that, though.

-D

Please try to figure it out cause I have no desire to

[Dwlee99]

Only me and mastina have even claimed actions from last night

[Dwlee99]

I do not want to compile before claims because I want scum to have to work to make sure their claims aren't going to be shown fake

[Dwlee99]

No, pain potions first

[Dwlee99]

Pain > Anything else > Jailkeep is the order

[Dwlee99]

People not claiming faster is killing my vibe

[Dwlee99]

I did nothing last night.

You were just supposed to say you didn't pain

[Dwlee99]

Who are we waiting for to claim?

I don't think you claimed your action last night so you

[Dwlee99]

Okay now if anyone used harmography or doctor you should claim it now

[Dwlee99]

Ari/RCE/Dwlee = gg?

Why in the hell am I in this list

[Dwlee99]

Ari/RCE/Dwlee = gg?

Why in the hell am I in this list

Unless one of Norwee/The capz are scum the team is probably exactly that
PERFECT

I pain potioned RCE. How can I be scum with him exactly?

[Dwlee99]

I spent all of yesterday saying "kill emperor or RCE" ??

[Dwlee99]

I went onto limit because game literally wouldn't progress without that going through.

[Dwlee99]

Spoiler: For t3

Bingle town limit town get RCE

Bingle town limit town get RCE

So bingle no potion and no see other potion. Not mafia

Limit give good gut feeling. Not mafia

Rce bad vibe >:(

Bingle
Green cap
Norwee

Fairy
Limit
T3

Mastina
Emperor
RCE

My middle is like town leans but calling the scum team is unlikely so I'd reeval in there if people in bottom list flipped town but I'd think t3 is scum over limit rn but I'm sort of hazy on it if that makes sense.

Okay sure let's kill emperor then!

(I don't consider emperor really deepwolf territory because he is less widely townread)

VOTE: TLDNE
I just want something to happen

VOTE: RCE
I changed my mind and I don't feel like going along with this just because no one is willing to agree with me. If limit is scum someone is definitely bussing here but none of the pushes feel like bussing so limit is probably just flipping town here.

And maybe I'm wrong and if limit flips scum egg on face etc. etc. but gamestate read just tells me this is wrong and almost the entire town is going along with deep wolf BS.

[Dwlee99]

Still gonna be mad if it's t3/mastina/norwee btw but yes sure

[Dwlee99]

Still gonna be mad if it's t3/mastina/norwee btw but yes sure

This because I'm actually getting mad flashbacks to this newbie I played 5 years ago where I was in 5p ELO and the two town didn't post at all and the two scum posted cases and reasoning etc. and I was like okay well these two other people can't even be bothered to post so must be scum and then well I lost that game

But I've also had games where scum did the not posting part

[Dwlee99]

Still gonna be mad if it's t3/mastina/norwee btw but yes sure

Unless this mindmeld was planned through a time machine mastina and I just can't be scum.

Do you think it's impossible for scum to agree with each other on a townie making a weird sounding post?

[Dwlee99]

I'm also still pissed that despite me being completely 100% correct on Bingle we had FC and Mastina choose to shoot there.

[Dwlee99]

You still think I can be scum with emperor/rce ffs

[Dwlee99]

Limming Ari makes more sense here because we only need one pain to finish off Rce tonight but whatever.

[Dwlee99]

We didn't even have everyone claim either lol

[Dwlee99]

Well then paining RCE needs 1 potion +? 1 but Ari would need 2 +? 1. Although we don't know who if one of them has a jailkeep. Assuming this is the right solve ofc

[Dwlee99]

Not hammering

[Dwlee99]

But yea sure RCE could have a powerful potion ?? or RCE is at 1 health assuming I wasn't jailkept or him or doctor etc.

[Dwlee99]

Mastina + T3 + Norwee = E-1

[Dwlee99]

Mastina + T3 + Norwee = E-1

Mastina hasn’t voted.

O

[Dwlee99]

Even assuming mastina is town here, why can t3 not be partnered with Ari or emperor?

[Dwlee99]

Case against t3 is I feel like he is trying to force GCB and I to 1v1 and despite acknowledging that RCE and I can never be partnered by responding to my posts that he read those quotes he still acts like it could totally definitely be a thing

[Dwlee99]

T3 even said he had a meta read on the way I interact with partners that doesn't hold to his current idea that I could be partnered with RCE

[Dwlee99]

Meta bad

[Dwlee99]

Mastina led us to three town deaths on people I townread. She called a town slip a scum slip, pushed bingle for shit reasons, but she is town on meta. Okay

[Dwlee99]

Mastina led us to three town deaths on people I townread. She called a town slip a scum slip, pushed bingle for shit reasons, but she is town on meta. Okay

Exactly.

Ahhh

[Dwlee99]

Scum team is probably either Norwee/Mastina/T3 or Ari/RCE/(GCB/T3)

[Dwlee99]

Scum team is probably either Norwee/Mastina/T3 or Ari/RCE/(GCB/T3)

Does anyone other than t3 disagree with this?

[Dwlee99]

i am not sold on you being town but i currently have nothing concrete to actually point in scum!you's direction

this is subject to change once we actually get a list of claims and i try to figure out what vote is what yesterday

Associatives based argument is this: RCE isn't hammered right now and I didn't vote him when I thought he was E-1. Now that could be a bluff or I could be lying about thinking he was E-1, sure, but in general I think an RCE/me team doesn't make sense. So it can't be S/S, so it is either S/T or T/T. If I was the scum here with RCE town then I would have thought to hammer him here. Okay let's say you want to ignore that cause I could be a trickster here. Then we still have that an RCE/Me team doesn't make sense, so the only way I can be scum is again still RCE town. But if RCE is town, then the team is me/norwee/t3 cause RCE isn't hammered and I think everyone has showed up. Now if Titus was still here she would be very upset but I also think this team does not make sense given my interactions with Norwee/T3 throughout the game. I mean right now t3 is trying to turn us into a 1v1 duel, which doesn't make sense if t3 is scum with me. So again, I don't make sense as scum here.

[Dwlee99]

And if you don't believe me that there is no world I'm teamed with RCE then trust Retti.

[Dwlee99]

Summary: pre-flip associatives say I'm not teamed with RCE or T3, so current wagon without quickhammer in ELO makes me town.

[Dwlee99]

I will accept Titus swirle if t3/norwee are scum cause I scumread her because I townread those two

[Dwlee99]

I still don't think Mastina is sitting on a scum role and if they are then in any order it's the last slot I'd touch of the three.

I just don't know who else really makes sense with scum!t3/norwee at this point. Ari?

[Dwlee99]

Okay so yeah mastina would need to be scum with Norwee and T3 and would partially explain how they are sitting there locktowning each other.

[Dwlee99]

The way she could push a shit case even though it's shit is by being scum

[Dwlee99]

This has been pointed out but RCE isn't doing that despite you saying he should be doing that as scum

[Dwlee99]

The case was "scumslip" and "meta." Ffs it was completely atrocious. I pointed out that the scum slip was actually a townslip and mastina just didn't engage me on it or reeval ever. She would come back every other day pushing the same awful case

[Dwlee99]

Ari or RCE could be scum with Mastina if you're not.

[Dwlee99]

Actually barring you get quickhammered here it would have to be RCE if you're town.

[Dwlee99]

Here's another thing though. I don't think Ari is scum with RCE.

[Dwlee99]

not saying you must be wrong on rce, but that post makes like, no sense without elaboration

Me?

[Dwlee99]

Here's another thing though. I don't think Ari is scum with RCE.

why and who is

also that previous post was @norwee

I actually can't think of a third for a Mastina/RCE team so idk

[Dwlee99]

ahhhhh

[Dwlee99]

Pain potions aren't a for sure thing cause scum could jailkeep or something. We shouldn't rely on it as an alternative to limming correctly

[Dwlee99]

^

[Dwlee99]

I would like to eliminate correctly but I'd also like to have a contingency plan in case we miss. I am worried with a stagnant game state we will go into night without a plan at 3-3

Assuming my action wasn't interfered with a better contingency plan would be that RCE is at 1 HP not 2 like norwee probably is.

[Dwlee99]

It's 4-3, mislim 3-3

[Dwlee99]

Well I know that isn't the scum team

[Dwlee99]

I can elaborate on Ari a different time I think.

Mmm I might be worried scum bus here to muddle associatives. Do you think Norwee/Ari/RCE is possible, for instance? Just spitballing here.

[Dwlee99]

It was sort of a test and RCE failed. Ari had a highly emotional post towards RCE and RCE kind of ignored it but I know Ari can fake those emotes

[Dwlee99]

Me being partnered with RCE or Ari makes no sense

[Dwlee99]

Do you have me as part of your solve Ari? I could see Titus being right on t3/norwee but also as someone who was there during it it felt like all of her reasons are wrong. As in, they didn't seem based in reality to me. In the quote you posted she talked about locktowning each other but that wasn't happening to my knowledge. And there were just other parts where it seemed like she was saying things that are wrong.

[Dwlee99]

One thing that is tempting here is that if I buy into the t3/norwee solve then if I'm wrong Titus can't be mad at me because she hero solved three town day one. If I'm right then I can be forgiven for my sins day one.

[Dwlee99]

Thanks for spewing dwlee as town!

This was obvious anyway