Large Normal 235: Large Normal With No Multiball [Game Over]

[Dwlee99]

So Shrek claimed they got the "your action failed" PM, not the "your target did not visit anyone" PM. Cheeky claimed the same thing, that her action failed, not that DGB didn't visit anyone. There is no way that Cheeky AND Shrek visited DGB and got no result without DGB being ascetic (or them having unclaimed action modifiers). But if DGB is ascetic, Mega couldn't have received the result that was claimed.

Technically Shrek claimed all of the above, that DGB is not ascetic, that DGB didn't target any AND that they got not result ^.^ hence the obvious fact Shrek is scum.

I think they interpreted their PM as saying DGB didn't target, not that they got no result, which is different. Agree Shrek is probably scum but mega is literally confirmed scum fypov.

[Dwlee99]

Shrek needs to clarify if they got "you received no result bla bla" or "your target did not visit anyone"

[Dwlee99]

If DGB didn't perform a NA and is Scum then it confirms Shrek, Cheeky, and Mega being Town.

Cheeky and Mega can't both be town, dude.

[Dwlee99]

If DGB didn't perform a NA and is Scum then it confirms Shrek, Cheeky, and Mega being Town.

Cheeky and Mega can't both be town, dude.

Why not?

There is no sequence of night actions where Cheeky visits DGB and Cheeky gets no result where mega can also see this happen, unless cheeky has an unclaimed modifier like loyal/disloyal/simple/etc. @Cheeky you don't have any modifier like that, correct?

[Dwlee99]

If DGB didn't perform a NA and is Scum then it confirms Shrek, Cheeky, and Mega being Town.

Cheeky and Mega can't both be town, dude.

Why not?

There is no sequence of night actions where Cheeky visits DGB and Cheeky gets no result where mega can also see this happen, unless cheeky has an unclaimed modifier like loyal/disloyal/simple/etc. @Cheeky you don't have any modifier like that, correct?

So what does that mean if DGB didn't even do a NA? How does that tie into this?

Nothing. Because this is all about cheeky getting no result and mega seeing the action that gave no result.

[Dwlee99]

I just feel like cheeky was blocked. DGB targeted shrek and then mega just lied. Someone tell me why this didn't happen?

I agree unless scum have a roleblocker.

[Dwlee99]

Or actually, nvm yea I think that's just how it works out. Misread

[Dwlee99]

We have no idea what Cheeky getting "no result" even means without their claim.

Unless it is a modifier we know it is incompatible with Mega's claim.

[Dwlee99]

We have no idea what Cheeky getting "no result" even means without their claim.

Unless it is a modifier we know it is incompatible with Mega's claim.

Unless Cheeky is Scum Rolestopper. Unlikely, but still possible. Or Cheeky could be RB but that is even more far fetched.

No... because if Cheeky was a rolestopper then mega would get no result

[Dwlee99]

We have no idea what Cheeky getting "no result" even means without their claim.

Unless it is a modifier we know it is incompatible with Mega's claim.

Unless Cheeky is Scum Rolestopper. Unlikely, but still possible. Or Cheeky could be RB but that is even more far fetched.

No... because if Cheeky was a rolestopper then mega would get no result

Well, what does NAR say about this?

What I just told you. That unless cheeky has a modifier that can cause no result, one of her and mega is lying.

[Dwlee99]

Cheeky can you CONFIRM you don't have a modifier that could cause this?

[Dwlee99]

I'm committing arson. You try to talk to them Nero.

[Dwlee99]

Uh Shrek

[Dwlee99]

You can't do that
AHHHH

[Dwlee99]

Shrek all you needed to say was if your pm says your target didn't visit anyone or if it said no result. I'm pretty sure that is the quoting mod communication rule but uh list mod discretion I guess.

[Dwlee99]

Which you still haven't said btw. Crying rn

[Dwlee99]

Okay so you were blocked...

[Dwlee99]

Or dgb was rolestopped. Idfk. I'm not posting till we find out if you're modkilled cause if you're town and just got modkilled I need to not put in so much effort this day phase. Just like, get mega if I die tonight.

[Dwlee99]

Any investigation role or a checker gets that result. Why am I in this thread again

[Dwlee99]

Any investigation role or a checker gets that result. Why am I in this thread again

I mean it's still possible Cheeky was RBed, and then that means what to DGB doing no NA?

Shrek is claiming that their action failed (no result) not that DGB visited no one.

[Dwlee99]

Vote for mega you clowns

[Dwlee99]

Just to be clear, if you do flip red MegA it doesn't clear Shrek in any way.

Correct, but Shrek could be town on red mega flip and alien'd DGB.

[Dwlee99]

Vote for mega you clowns

shrek literally scumslipped m8
though I think mega definitely is tied to it so she happens D4 very very likely

I don't see it.

[Dwlee99]

Oh the "only person to visit" line. Think that could be Shrek being confused what the hell tracker does.

[Dwlee99]

I want Mega flip first cause if Megan flips alien then the Shrek guilty isn't really a thing.

Pedit: LQ, you misread it saying that no result for no action is NOT normal it saying that it is...

[Dwlee99]

Just to be clear, if you do flip red MegA it doesn't clear Shrek in any way.

Correct, but Shrek could be town on red mega flip and alien'd DGB.

If town Alien Shrek would have claimed that and not tracker...

I was saying someone else alien'd DGB.

[Dwlee99]

Gamma, mega is flipping scum and shrek might not. Scum!Shrek has much less incentive to claim "no result" over "no action seen" and so I'm inclined to believe it a little bit.

[Dwlee99]

Also mega flipping scum watcher would actually make a ton of sense and then we can kill Shrek next. That'd be fine with me. Just kill mega ffs

[Dwlee99]

LQ actually fifth scum rn

[Dwlee99]

This is Shrek's second game

[Dwlee99]

This is Shrek's second game

but like, Watcher exists and was claimed in this game too? Would Shrek not upon seeing that claim have the gears start turning and probably realize "hey my role doesn't work like I thought it did"?

I think that Shrek could have misspoke on "STD was the only one that visited cheeky" and meant "STD visited cheeky" or something similar. Mega flips scum though almost certainly.

[Dwlee99]

Mega posted a bigger scumslip with the results claimed. Maybe we are splitting hairs over who should go first.

[Dwlee99]

We can literally just turbo elim both. At this point I don't think the order matters as much.

It'd be nice if we flipped a scum PR.

[Dwlee99]

We can literally just turbo elim both. At this point I don't think the order matters as much.

It'd be nice if we flipped a scum PR.

True. Do you think Mega is the more likely PR?

Yes, probably a scum watcher or similar.

[Dwlee99]

Also, there is still like a sliver of chance Shrek is town unlike mega imo.

[Dwlee99]

LQ actually fifth scum rn

tbh this just feels uncalled for at this point
I don't think putting down intent to hammer on someone who all but scumslipped is deserving of this sort of treatment

I've been explaining all day phase why Mega is more likely scum and how the roles interact so I was frustrated, I'm sorry.

[Dwlee99]

Well we got em anyway Shrek.

[Dwlee99]

I did not find it obvious that you were lying because it looked like DGB was rolestopped.

[Dwlee99]

I do not put it beyond the realm of possibility that there is a combined roleblocker rolestopper (alien) that targeted DGB, but otherwise it seems like one of cheeky/dgb/shrek should be evil?

Hopefully cheeky has a result.

[Dwlee99]

I think mega didn't know how roleblocks resolve on action investigation.

[Dwlee99]

But I don't think rolestopper is confirmed cause one of cheeky/DGB could be roleblocked and the other lying.

[Dwlee99]

Wouldn't scum!mega have known that dgb was rolestopped if that were the case? Or that cheeky was roleblocked? I just think the whole thing is weird, but I think that one of Shrek and it are scum probably? Cause alien is a sort of far-fetched theory.

[Dwlee99]

DGB is it possible if LQ were a godfather that he would still be added to your pt?

That isn't a normal role but even if it was no

[Dwlee99]

Y'all need to figure out what happens if Shrek flips town here

[Dwlee99]

I townread Shrek on play rn

[Dwlee99]

i feel like f***ing man ray dealing with patrick here

You think you have it bad... Last day phase was clown

[Dwlee99]

I townread Shrek on play rn

dwlee who are your scumreads rn? i dont think ive heard you state any in a while

I am in a vibe state

[Dwlee99]

Maybe DGB cause I don't think it got roleblocked and I think you're town? Realistically though I might just blind sheep Nero whenever he shows up.

[Dwlee99]

Doesn't cheeky have a clear on gamma btw?

[Dwlee99]

Oh
VOTE: Shrek
Mega claimed that Shrek visited DGB in the 2800s I think btw.

[Dwlee99]

Results:
CheekyTeeky and Shrek visited DrippingGoofball last night.

VOTE: mega

i want mega or cheeky gone today 100%. their statements contradict each other

yeah true. but how would you still be able to visit dgb if you were rbed???? i dont get your logic

hence me wanting to vote for mega or you cause one of you is 100% lying. i want mega because his claim was bs, he's been inactive, and only claimed me and you visited dgb after we both outright admitted we did

I feel like the post where Shrek acknowledges Mega's claim would go something like "I lied about my role and didn't visit DGB" if Shrek was town. Instead they held off on revealing the gambit and I don't know why they would as town.

[Dwlee99]

^@LQ

Also please no speed day. Want everyone to check in at least.

[Dwlee99]

Yes, Shrek said mega's claim was BS but I think town!shrek would have just outed the gambit. The way Shrek went about it leaves cheeky or DGB up for lim still.

[Dwlee99]

I'm kinda suspicious of Dwlee changing the lim from Shrek to MegA and MegA flipping goon. I think smartest play is to lim Shrek today and if Shrek flips mafia PR rethink on Dwlee.

VOTE: Shrek

I was deeply aware of this myself

With the info we had, mega was just the correct claim. I was willing to kill through the claim D2 as well so idk why you think I could be partnered with mega.

[Dwlee99]

I would have been fine killing mega through the claim cause it was terrible. I am not the one who insisted we force mega to watch DGB. I am the one who pointed out that mega is much more likely to flip scum because their claim contradicted more things, but you'll try to pre-flip paranoia that I was trying to give a scum PR an extra night there instead of it just being the better play.

[Dwlee99]

Why would you be 2-shot AND even-night? Does this game even last to day 6?

Pretty sure that claim is bullshit but if we want to force them to watch DGB we can.

Why would you be 2-shot AND even-night? Does this game even last to day 6?

Pretty sure that claim is bullshit but if we want to force them to watch DGB we can.

I mean just based on numbers it could last through D6 right? And watcher has the potential to be really strong during the end game

Yes it could but even-night is already an extremely hard nerf to the role.

Yea I think watch DGB, and then if no one added to hood there is either a guilty/inno or scum in Mega/DGB.

I don't know who I want to vote though.

I'll probably end up on Cyrus but STD has a point it is like day one and I don't buy that Cyrus being suicidal is him being scum because he just plays like that. It gives me reminders of the Chrono trigger game that just ended and test was scummy but I just don't feel good as good about flipping him as I do mega cause mega's claim is BS.

I don't understand this narrative that I came up with having mega watch DGB.

You also think that I wouldn't have given mega a better claim than 2-shot even-night watcher and claiming to see two people visit that had claimed no result lol

[Dwlee99]

UNVOTE: Perfect, you can either get shot or watch DGB

Oh what's that, you suggested watching and then acted like it was my idea?? What are you doing if you're town cheeky?

[Dwlee99]

I feel like Dwlee is scum rather than Nero. I’ve had an instance where I thought two players acting in unison were scum partners but eventually rightfully realized one of them was pocketed. That’s kinda what I feel like Dwlee has been doing with Nero.

Or me and Nero are both town cause I trust Nero's reads.

[Dwlee99]

50/50 early on is decent

[Dwlee99]

My day reads list are typically all town lol

[Dwlee99]

Day one*

[Dwlee99]

Here is what happens in the scum PT day three if I'm evil with mega:
Mega: "what do I say for result"
Dwlee: "no result"
Mega: "okay"

The alternative here is that I had mega tank the claim on purpose to make the argument I wouldn't have been that incompetent which would be super big brain but also ridiculous

[Dwlee99]

Scum no kill if they know they don't have to worry about investigatives and can put us on evens with less info. Points towards cheeky!town probably cause if she wasn't an investigative scum would be uncomfortable not PR hunting, but if they have a roleblocker they don't need to worry about the one claimed investigative.

...or it got blocked

[Dwlee99]

So we had a watcher claim... and you kept the person who claimed it alive another day?

[Dwlee99]

I would have watched Nero personally

[Dwlee99]

If I stopped the night kill I wouldn't claim that I stopped it

[Dwlee99]

Because maybe it's more like an inno dgb

[Dwlee99]

If Shrek flips scum PR, dwlee probably needs to get limmed at some point.

This is not based in reality

[Dwlee99]

Mega almost got off with not being the day's lim a second time for no reason. Mega was confirmed scum if Cheeky is town. The chance of Shrek being town was non zero and I didn't want Mega to get off again because the way people kept moving away from them for no reason despite being confirmed scum from people who were refusing to vote them made me think they were more likely to be a scum PR than Shrek. If Shrek flips scum PR okay I was wrong but this "dwlee doesn't live to ELO because they pushed mega through" is dumb.

[Dwlee99]

I am ungated.

There is another confirmed townie from N3.

My target last night was not neighborized.

So we have another guilty?

[Dwlee99]

If so I hope cheeky was on LQ

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Roden
Also down for this

[Dwlee99]

null:
Dwlee
DGB

scum:
Kitty/AA9/A50??

Roden

Gamma

There's gotta be scum in here right? I remember this pinging me at the time

[Dwlee99]

Misled how?

[Dwlee99]

Who is the “lone confirmed townie” to you, Roden?
Atp I think 2 people are actually factually obvtown here at least

DGB is basically conftown through the flips. Dwlee is the only obvtown we have, though I thought I was as well.

You townread me this time

[Dwlee99]

Who do u want dead, roden?

Cheeky got caught lying and made a weird gambit with her role that got a townie voted out over someone she knew was scum. And now she's claiming she wasn't RB'd last night and just happened to target the person who died? If she wasn't RB'd tonight then why isn't that confusing her? She claimed she got role cop'd N1 and that's why scum knew to RB her N2, but now she's claiming scum have a Ninja. But with two scum left there's no way they have a Cop, a Blocker, and a Ninja. It just doesn't make sense considering the other two scum were a Goon and a Traffic Analyst.

VOTE: Cheeky

This is pretty true yea Imma think about it

[Dwlee99]

DGB can you out your N4 target?

[Dwlee99]

one thing to note is that since cheeky didn't see anyone visit DGB it wasn't blocked last night (unless cheeky is scum)

Cheeky claimed to visit LQ!slot

[Dwlee99]

If scum don't have a roleblocker the setup is extremely unbalanced with a loyal neighborizer and a backup neighborizer.

[Dwlee99]

DGB can you out your N4 target?

[Dwlee99]

Ok

[Dwlee99]

UNVOTE:

[Dwlee99]

Why would jailkeeper not be on the conftown without a night action

[Dwlee99]

Gonna allow some time for a possible Jailkeeper or town roleblocker to confirm they didn't block DGB.

[Dwlee99]

Presumably there is someone who can claim they are in there and with those posts I've stopped caring
VOTE: Cheeky

[Dwlee99]

Presumably there is someone who can claim they are in there and with those posts I've stopped caring
VOTE: Cheeky

This is incredibly lame. I put a lot of time and effort into this game and was having fun just to get thrown away by some player who thinks this is american idol. Shame.

What?

[Dwlee99]

Am I the person who thinks it is American idol?

[Dwlee99]

Who is playing like it's American idol? I don't even understand what that could mean.

[Dwlee99]

Who is playing like it's American idol? I don't even understand what that could mean.

It's OK I'm just lashing our because I don't understand how anyone can just vote me after DGB votes me when it's possible they were blocked....or after the past 5 days of play. It just becomes a brain dead popularity contest.

DGB is by no means confirmed town and you would all do well to remember that.

Scum thought DGB was 2-shot, only town realistically could have blocked it but that they didn't N3 probably means it is the equivalent of a guilty.

[Dwlee99]

I also think your pushing/shading/doubt casting on DGB right now is scummy.

[Dwlee99]

I am a strongman finder. N1 I got no result on a50, n2 was gamma he wasn't a strongman Wich means a50 might be lying about targeting me. N3 was Shrek and n4 was roden who is a strongman. I'm assuming that roden does the kill so either cheeky is lying or they switched it up and had her do it. Thus I am assuming that scum is roden/cheeky but now the new Poe might be roden cheeky a50 dotw

VOTE: Roden
Tomorrow is a50.

[Dwlee99]

On N2 I thought Nero was both Town AND NOT a PR, so I targeted him.

This is a lie according to Nero so there's a 1v1 going on. Jailkeeper is probably true claim but mafia.

[Dwlee99]

Roden and a50 are both pretty much confirmed scum.

[Dwlee99]

Eh this feels bad cause game is probably unbalanced which sours the win a bit but if game doesn't end on a50 maybe it could be balanced by there being 5 scum.

[Dwlee99]

I am a strongman finder. N1 I got no result on a50, n2 was gamma he wasn't a strongman Wich means a50 might be lying about targeting me. N3 was Shrek and n4 was roden who is a strongman. I'm assuming that roden does the kill so either cheeky is lying or they switched it up and had her do it. Thus I am assuming that scum is roden/cheeky but now the new Poe might be roden cheeky a50 dotw

VOTE: Roden
Tomorrow is a50.

Scum will kill me tonight. I don't believe either Cheeky or almost50 claims.

Okay and then we kill a50. Just vote Roden

[Dwlee99]

Aa9 we will kill a50 tomorrow. Today is Roden.

[Dwlee99]

There is no fucking way that town can have both doctor and Jail Keeper.

VOTE: Arc

Actually there is no fucking way Town has both a BODYGUARD & DOCTOR (circular pretection dilemma). Thanks for claiming SCUM.

Can we just kill Roden

[Dwlee99]

I bet N2 A50 jailkept DGB, which is why Nero was able to get a result.

[Dwlee99]

I bet N2 A50 jailkept DGB, which is why Nero was able to get a result.

Erm.. I think we will have a word or two about this post-game. This is all I can say for the time being.

lmao

[Dwlee99]

A50 perhaps JKed cheeky n2
that where the unexplained block is, not DGB (since Shrek flipped scum)

Right. But also it'd be funny if it was blocked but dgb targeted scum anyway.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: A50

[Dwlee99]

Maybe cheeky should claim result from last night

[Dwlee99]

I bet N2 A50 jailkept DGB, which is why Nero was able to get a result.

Ah so I was right but it was an alien and he claimed JK instead.

[Dwlee99]

Subject: Large Normal 235 - Mafia PT

How the hell is Nero scum reading nearly the entire scum team, we haven't even done anything lol

I mean he's not being taken seriously at least, but I'm not really sure how we're getting picked out so easily.

I'm actually just really good. You were buddying T3 and Shrek was fluff posting in lieu of content. Shreks later argument that we should be using are day elim to off lurkers was a super ant-town argument and Arc picked up on it too. Meg was being hesitant to vote me and saying that he'd vote me while saying that I haven't done anything scummy is talking out of both sides of his mouth. And blaming me for not being able to play was scummy (cheeky also picked up on this)

Was also pushing Titus/nom and I had sent in osuka as one of my final reads in 233. And even in 234 I had Titus and Hem. So I've had like 7 correct scumreads in my last 3 games...ofc I'm not always right but at the end of the day I'm still pretty solid/reliable

Add me to the Nero fan club. I'll be #2 fan behind Dwlee

I can make you a pin if you want