Open 825 - PYP X/Y: HoS_S [game over!]

[House]

Phone posting is the worst thing. >_>

He does post on phone sometimes, but I wouldn't really say it's his thing...

[House]

After doing some ISO diving, I remain convinced that ManateeGal is scum.

Also getting a paranoia-induced scumread on Titus over the tone of her posts. I'm not really sensing where she's vibing with other players like i do most of the others.

[House]

Gamma is a terribad wagon, btw.

[House]

vote count 1.19

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-03 17:20:00).

yeet

Enchant [4]:

Bee, Titus, PenguinPower, ManateeGal

Gamma Emerald [4]:

Miss Midnight, the worst, Thor Ragnarok, Harvey and Haley

Miss Midnight [3]:

Cat Scratch Fever, House, Gamma Emerald

Harvey and Haley [1]:

Flea The Magician

Cat Scratch Fever [1]:

Enchant

not voting [1]:

Something_Smart

mod notes

~ dual mod iso

flavour

This VC is troublesome, given my recent analysis.

Enchant feels like LHF town to me, though

[House]

What's troubling about it?

I wouldn't expect 2 of my scumreads to make up half of a wagon if I'm right.

[House]

vote count 1.19

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-03 17:20:00).

yeet

Enchant [4]:

Bee, Titus, PenguinPower, ManateeGal

Gamma Emerald [4]:

Miss Midnight, the worst, Thor Ragnarok, Harvey and Haley

Miss Midnight [3]:

Cat Scratch Fever, House, Gamma Emerald

Harvey and Haley [1]:

Flea The Magician

Cat Scratch Fever [1]:

Enchant

not voting [1]:

Something_Smart

mod notes

~ dual mod iso

flavour

If scum team is exactly MM, MG, Titus, the only reason i could see MG & Titus on the same wagon would be to save MM.

Gamma would be too much of a risk to try to push over MM, as his wagon is unlikely to go through considering his play.

Enchant is an easier target to mislim (assuming town), considering the communication barrier that makes his posting seem stilted and more difficult to parse.

[House]

If something need to be done, make it self.

VOTE: Penquin

I am bad with accusations, but i think he is maf. It's of course hilarious i accuse him of inactivity, but that's truth. I expect from mafia to hide in plain sight and blend in, which he doing perfectly, considering almost no one bat a eye on him (there was votes but they disappear very fast).

Nah. Not feeling it.

Penguin isn't catching votes because he's obvtown.

[House]

Can you explain why?

His tone. The way he interacts with others. Analytical, but in good faith. The frustration he displayed during his interaction with me was genuine.

Nothing about him reads as fake or agenda-driven.

[House]

Even when i was digging into him, i wasn't getting scum pings. I was just wondering what i was doing wrong.

[House]

[House]

You're never winning a 1v1 against Gamma, and your vote on him isn't exactly a good look when he's your closest competing wagon.

I believe you're town, but I'd vote you any day of the week over him.

[House]

You're never winning a 1v1 against Gamma

, and your vote on him isn't exactly a good look when he's your closest competing wagon.

I believe you're town, but I'd vote you any day of the week over him.

that's a very confident stance to take @ the bolded
I kinda get a little bit of why you think that but I already am at e-3 with Enchant's vote

That's because i have a daycop Inno that I'm going to out once you get to L-1.

[House]

Well. Yes?

Okay.
Why am I scummier than MM to you?

[House]

VOTE: Enchant

You've convinced me.

[House]

if enough people arent reading it the same way i am then im ready to admit my interpretation is wrong

and
VOTE: Enchant

Town.

Hard disagree.

She used it as an excuse to hop off me because my wagon dissipated.

.. after enchant was a popular wagon, but while enchant is still low hanging fruit?

I don't think that's a particularly intuitive move for scum there unless they're trying to look scummy. :p

Are you suggesting that i should project my own opinion on others?

[House]

Themes memes are worrying.

How can they be worrying?

It rhymes.

Like, "click it or ticket'.

[House]

Idk

Not really feeling either the Gamma or the Enchant wagon

don't feel bad for this, stock in the enchant wagon is tanking and you're in a good spot

Agreed on the good spot. I'll mislim Enchant over Gamma 10 times out of 10 if it comes to it, though.

[House]

vote count 1.17

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-03 17:20:00).

yeet

Enchant [4]:

Bee, Titus, PenguinPower, ManateeGal

Miss Midnight [4]:

Thor Ragnarok, Cat Scratch Fever, Harvey and Haley, the worst

Harvey and Haley [2]:

Flea The Magician, Gamma Emerald

Thor Ragnarok [1]:

Miss Midnight

Cat Scratch Fever [1]:

Enchant

ManateeGal [1]:

House

not voting [1]:

Something_Smart

mod notes

~ dual mod iso

flavour

I'm caught up.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

My big issue with Harvey and Haley rn is WIM telling. Haley being absent is probably the biggest red flag for me here, especially if I assume it's Anya based on Auro's previous interactions with them, and having played with them being absent scum.

Haley is always low pressure D1 and I don't think he's been playing mafia lately. I'm more focused on what Harvey is doing rather than literal absence.

pedit: VOTE: gamma emerald

dafuq?

[House]

Not a fan of Enchant blatantly plagiarizing the worst's reasoning on MM.

Could someone who was scum... make this??

ah dang I'm pocketed again.

I don't think mafia makes something like this:

Could someone who was scum... make this??

[House]

If something need to be done, make it self.

VOTE: Penquin

I am bad with accusations, but i think he is maf. It's of course hilarious i accuse him of inactivity, but that's truth. I expect from mafia to hide in plain sight and blend in, which he doing perfectly, considering almost no one bat a eye on him (there was votes but they disappear very fast).

aw dang I like this so much more than I expected to

still like lukewarm town on penquin though

Do you still like it even though he abandoned the vote after one broad generalization of why Penguin is town?

[House]

@

[House]

... and i nailed it.

[House]

Trying to figure out if that's condescension or sarcasm.

Either way, well played.

[House]

i'm so shook.

If something need to be done, make it self.

VOTE: Penquin

I am bad with accusations, but i think he is maf. It's of course hilarious i accuse him of inactivity, but that's truth. I expect from mafia to hide in plain sight and blend in, which he doing perfectly, considering almost no one bat a eye on him (there was votes but they disappear very fast).

Not a bad vote

Aside from the fact he had zero faith in it, perhaps.

[House]

Not a fan of Enchant blatantly plagiarizing the worst's reasoning on MM.

I think the worst was joking there.

[House]

I think it's shallow but tbh I haven't seen anyone else give a reason to townread MM, shallow or not.

That's why an unexplained townread with meme rationale is sus.

[House]

Fair.

[House]

VOTE: Miss Midnight

Still think MM or MH would be a great place to end the day.

[House]

VOTE: Miss Midnight

Still think MM or MG* would be a great place to end the day.

[House]

Oh I love the good place.

I think it's shallow but tbh I haven't seen anyone else give a reason to townread MM, shallow or not. The wagon kind of just disappeared.

MM is a hell of a wildcard for me.
They've played pretty hard so far, in a way that I

think

should be identifiable via purity later in the game.
I think they've committed to the kind of momentum I wanted to see from them and if it drops off it's going to look agenda-driven.

I think their content looks, at surface level, like it's solvey enough that it could easily be coming from town.
That carries the caveat that I don't really know their scumrange, and can't comfortably say that what they

are

showing is far outside of a lot of players' scumranges.
They should also become progressively easier to read rather than the inverse so I've lost a lot of interest in wagoning them.

MM isn't my first choice, but for some inexplicable reason nobody is considering Manatee.

In a game full of players joking and screwing around, she's all



and blah blah blah personality blah blah... but i think it has more to do with role pm. Getting that red pm is demoralizing on this site right now.

[House]

Damnit Gamma, I'm trying to entertain the notion that you might be scum. Stop making that impossible!

VOTE: Miss Midnight

What are you even agreeing with him on? Genuine question. I really don't understand what he's saying. Perhaps you can explain it.

1304 & 1306.

You seemed invested in scumreading Gamma.

[House]

razor-filled ash & charcoal is my 2nd favorite flavor.

If you had given me arsenic laced & glass chunk cookies, it would have worked.

[House]

razor-filled ash & charcoal is my 2nd favorite flavor.

If you had given me arsenic laced & glass chunk cookies, it would have worked.

Cute, but do you actually have a response or no?

You had a question that wasn't rhetorical? I must've missed it (not hyperbole, I have my own communication issues, which is why I'm sensitive to them).

Could you rephrase and/or restate, please?

[House]

1) What do you mean by "leashed"? And how does telling someone directly that I think they have an overinflated sense of importance constitute it?

This is a bad faith question, and supports what i said about your interactions.

My leash comment had nothing to do with your derogatory remarks. It was about the "town indicative" bit. I don't see how you would even think about around the question you did, here. Who the fuck considers being insulted a tool to control that player?

2) What do you mean by me being "invested" in scumreading Gamma?

Unwilling to consider a world where he's town. If you have stated such a possibility, I've missed it.

3) How does that then translate to me being scum, or make it impossible for you to see Gamma as scum, as you say in 1307?

I liked his post. *shrug* You'll also find that absolute statements aren't all that absolute when they're coming from me.

[House]

around = asking

[House]

Do you really think that telling someone that I think something they said was town indicative after directly telling them that I think they have an overinflated sense of importance constitutes an attempt at "leashing"?

Continued bad faith. I've already stated the derogatory "observation" had nothing to do with my remark.

[House]

I would say that I still think it's worth pointing out particularly alignment indicative things when you see them, even if they happen to already align with a read that you have. For one, it's useful for other people who may see it and come to agree with you. For two, it can help make it clearer to other people where your read is coming from and how the strength of it changes as the game progresses.

Okay.

Why is Gamma scum?

[House]

I think you're overstating or overthinking your own importance/ the importance of events surrounding you when it comes to the thread at large. I think that this is probably town indicative.

It's not just town indicative... and we much as it perturbs me that you made this remark, I also think it's something you'd have been more likely to bring up in the scum PT if you were red.

UNVOTE:

[House]

I think you're overstating or overthinking your own importance/ the importance of events surrounding you when it comes to the thread at large. I think that this is probably town indicative.

It's not just town indicative... and as* much as it perturbs me that you made this remark, I also think it's something you'd have been more likely to bring up in the scum PT if you were red.

UNVOTE:

Edit

[House]

That isn't something that I haven't elaborated on.

I'm sure you got quite elaborate.

My brain shuts off on elaborate posts because of information overload.

Is a Cliff's Notes version of your read too much to ask?

[House]

House's vote on you especially seemed pretty explicitly to be non-game relevant. So Thor's following House onto a vote on you without any additional comment indicating some other reason for the vote or the timing is noteworthy in itself.

That kinda raised my eyebrow as well, but it didn't particularly strike me as a maneuver one buddy would use towards another.

I could see logicking them to be SvT or TvT, but i don't see why you'd humor the theory of SvS.

[House]

House's vote on you especially seemed pretty explicitly to be non-game relevant. So Thor's following House onto a vote on you without any additional comment indicating some other reason for the vote or the timing is noteworthy in itself.

That kinda raised my eyebrow as well, but it didn't particularly strike me as a maneuver one buddy would use towards another.

I could see logicking them to be SvT or TvT,

but i don't see why you'd humor the theory of SvS

.

I'm not. Never said I was. Pretty explicitly said I wasn't.

Why does it matter? If you're trying to argue that me thinking this should lead to me believing that you're more likely to be town, I'm not so arrogant as to be unable to consider different worlds in which I may not be right. I can scumread Thor but consider a world in which he's town but you're scum. And vice versa.

Not all of your scumreads need to be fit together as partners at all times without any flips whatsoever, that would be a wildly ineffective way to play the game

.

To be clear, this isn't me declaring them TvS, just stating that I don't need to pre-flip fit together every scumread into one world.

Yeah but, of your scumread associatives don't make sense, that's a red flag that you're on the wrong track.

[House]

if*

[House]

VOTE: ManateeGal

I still want to kill this slot with fire.

[House]

I bet nobody has the balls to put him at L-1.

[House]

This is MS - we don't put people to E-1 until 3 hours before deadline

Shenanigans. I've seen games in day 4 before the d1 deadline expired.

[House]

Curioser and curioser.

[House]

@Gamma what has ManateeGal done to earn a renewed scumread?

[House]

Mine

[House]

im freezing up again and i dont wanna be. give me a few more days.

You're not a likely lim when Gamma is at L-2 and you only have 2 votes and plenty of resistance to your wagon.

[House]

@Gamma what has ManateeGal done to earn a renewed scumread?

I feel like her play has been generally evasive, there isn’t much entirely new to the read

Last i heard, you thought she was town, is why i asked.

[House]

im asking 4 patience in general. i know i havent carried my weight so far

Okay. I promise i won't shoot you tonight. (I kid, i kid.)

[House]

Plus I feel like my initial reason to townread her was not of the type I think ends up generating good reads for me

You're right on that one. 334 boggles my mind still.

[House]

Plus I feel like my initial reason to townread her was not of the type I think ends up generating good reads for me

You're right on that one. 334 boggles my mind still.

(and yes, i know i took your post out of context; that's what you get for making an ambiguous post )

[House]

im asking 4 patience in general. i know i havent carried my weight so far

Okay. I promise i won't shoot you tonight. (I kid, i kid.)

Would you prefer i promise

to

shoot you tonight?

[House]

Idk

Not really feeling either the Gamma or the Enchant wagon

don't feel bad for this, stock in the enchant wagon is tanking and you're in a good spot

Agreed on the good spot. I'll

mislim

Enchant over Gamma 10 times out of 10 if it comes to it, though.

So you already know i am mislim?

Considering i townread you, that's the natural assumption.

[House]

Can you help me see town!Gamma? His late content still doesn't seem impressive but is self-aware while also unbothered, and that's diminishing my scumread a bit.

Half the time, i can't even help myself.

My read on Gamma is not exactly what I'd call stable. I mean, it was... but things™ happened.

I have a tendency to gut townread certain players unless they do some weird shit that either blatantly outs them or triggers me in other ways (which you've witnessed, so), because i like to give them the benefit of every doubt, unlike people i am not as familiar with that i don't mind making outlandish assumptions about to fit a scumread to their play - and that's as town!

It's a character flaw, but I'm working on it.

[House]

This is an interesting post (I didn't expect you'd have obvious townreads by this point). Do you have prior experience with Penguin?

I have to plead the fifth on that, as i was banned for years and any experience I'd have had with Pengu would have been the result of ban evasion which, as we all know, is against the rules.

[House]

Manatee, I think it's fine if you skip Miss Midnight content

That wouldn't be skipping much, tbh.

[House]

i'm lazy - why have we run up gamma?

That would be because people think he's scum.

[House]

I think he said that because he doesn’t see it himself?

+1

[House]

When the biggest proponent for his wagon refuses to break it down for me when i state an inability to understand the case as it was presented, i have no incentive to vote there.

[House]

That isn't something that I haven't elaborated on. Actually not trying to sound snarky here, but you can just read my ISO.

To bring up something new: self-serving though it may sound, I do think that his recent posts about me are genuinely just sort of bizarre in a way that resembles flailing. Again, someone correct me if there really is something I'm missing, but I think that Bee pretty much read the situation exactly in 1309 and most of the stuff Gamma has been saying has just been non-sequiturs.

[House]

Being lazy is a lot of work innit

[House]

I think it's because of my boyish good looks and charming misdemeanors.

[House]

I am. My post was obviously not pertinent to your question.

Now who's missing jokes?

[House]

I feel like I’m gonna pass out. Don’t drink caffeine. Goodbye.

Get outta here with that blasphemy.

[House]

I am. My post was obviously not pertinent to your question.

Now who's missing jokes?

You. If I wasn’t playful bantering I wouldn’t use the word shush. I’d tell you to shut up.

eyeroll.gif

[House]

This entire game is just a lesson in how not to try to be funny over the internet.

FoS

[House]

I just don't think Penguin and I give for reasons that may not be game related.

If that's the case, I'm sorry. I know i am a bit of a bastard, but I'm trying not to be as much of one.

[House]

I just don't think Penguin and I vibe* for reasons that may not be game related.

If that's the case, I'm sorry. I know i am a bit of a bastard, but I'm trying not to be as much of one.

[House]

Note OOG: My work may be impacted by the Caldor fire. I was planning to limit my activity in late October and November. I doubt it will have an immediate, direct impact on me but I am posting in case. I do not live in the path of the fire or near it, but one of my courthouses I practice in is. Please pray for the residents of South Lake Tahoe.

This may result in a change of timeline for my upcoming large theme game. I doubt it, but I figured you all deserved to know.

Stay safe!

[House]

@Thor does Venice mean anything to you?

[House]

I kinda wanna

VOTE: the worst

[House]

I actually had a real reason I voted House, I thought he was popping in in a way that felt suspicious
That’s just defamation.

I don't believe you really believe that.

[House]

Who is OGI?

Outside of the Game Influence. (Gamma is not entirely correct)

Like building a read on someone based on another game.

[House]

Now answer my motherfucking questions.

[House]

What i don't get is why Enchant would go back to that poisonous well when he's the leading wagon as either alignment.

[House]

Yes, how dare I assume my townreads would be a mislim.

[House]

What i don't get is why Enchant would go back to that poisonous well when he's the leading wagon as either alignment.

Scratch that. His wagon fell apart. Sorry, just woke up.

[House]

You just got more townread from pagetop, congratulations.

First, you mock Gamma.

Now, you mock Thor the way I did.

This is getting weird.

[House]

Thanks for the clarification.

VOTE: Enchant

Are you TRYING to die today?

[House]

I don't see what you're trying to accomplish with this posting.

You should respond to Gamma's post.

[House]

TBC, I'm not actually scumreading him at this point, but if he doesn't start making some kind of sense soon, I won't be moving my vote because I'm not seeing any kind of town motivation in these posts.

He's dredging up content that has long been settled in what looks like an effort to stir up drama now that it has finally died down and I'm not feeling it.

[House]

I townread House, because i find his nature of posting a townie. He was plenty understandbly annoyed by Thor. I disliked push on him at all, because you seemed just sheeping Gamma who made up accusation like "Can't tell why but he is mafia". Like, i too have another reasons for townreading him, but can't tell them, now what?

You cannot blame Peng for this.

[House]

[House]

Not much, but it made a bit clear.

While i interpreted reasons wrong, Gamma calling me liar is something dumb.

Like, there WAS post where Gamma claims House is suspicious because of other game, now calling me liar like post never happened.

What gets me is that you're hundreds of posts late to be piping up with these comments, and it's not like you weren't around when that drama was playing out in real time.

[House]

Oh.

Well. I lied seems. Can't find it.
Apologies.

Look, I'm trying to give you every benefit of the doubt, but that's not going to be enough, this time.

I need to see you do something that actually looks productive before I move on at this point, because this is becoming habitual for you.

[House]

Now on top of everything else, it's time for me to get ready for work.

I'll see you folks this evening.

[House]

So... that happened.

[House]

So ...

VOTE: Something_Smart

This is a thing.

[House]

give me the bullet points?

I am not whelmed by him.

[House]

I'm not a fan of either of the existing wagons, and S_S is riding that Neutral territory like his life depends on it.

[House]

pedit: i'm towny now

Damnit, now i can't vote you.

[House]

i'd rather be wagoning to kill than wagoning a nullread this late in the phase.

I'm perfectly okay with killing a nullread.

Town has no business hanging out in null territory.

[House]

If there has to be a last minute flashwagon, I am probably the best prospect.

[House]

why would you be a good last minute wagon prospect?

I'd be the least detrimental for town to lose.

[House]

I hate all of you and I'm going to watch critically acclaimed movie Eclipse goodbye.

Happy birthday!

Enjoy your raw fish!

[House]

VOTE: Miss Midnight

Not really feeling it, tbh.

Manatee wagon is cool I guess. No clue what the count is & don't want to roflhammer.

[House]

Also, not really a fan of how 1882 is a soft of a soft.

Yeah, i pointed that shit out.

[House]

I was about to ask if Titus was in this game, but then i remembered there's some r/l shit going on and now i just hope she's okay.

[House]

never.

i was gonna type up something about how you would use a significantly better soft if you felt the need to soft, but figured the face would suffice.

I never said it was a soft.

[House]

We're not going to nitpick in semantics?

You're no fun.

[House]

Also, not really a fan of how 1882 is a soft of a soft.

Yeah, i pointed that shit out.

Oh. It wasn't. But townpoints for saying that.

Wasn’t there a tell for House way back when that he’d save that sort of comment for the scum PT? I swear I remember something like that

If i had a scum PT to share it in, it would have certainly been posted there, if that's what you're getting at.

[House]

I'm trying to paranoia scumread the worst, but he's just not making it easy for me.

*low key annoyed*

[House]

don't worryyyy i'm town

You don't get it.

I'm the kind of player that can speculate about mod shenanigans to justify scumreading an IC.

You're just... too town... to be town...

AHA!

[House]

the worst kinda reminds me of lalaladucks.

I miss her.

[House]

*pops in*

Aw fuck this.

*pops out*

[House]

Actually, is it not very likely that scum already knows which setup it is, unless they have no power roles at all? I'm willing to take that chance and will throw this out here for more transparent discussion:

We're in the left-side setup

If you're going to drive a great truck through the thread, you might as well drop trou and tell all.

[House]

Actually, is it not very likely that scum already knows which setup it is, unless they have no power roles at all? I'm willing to take that chance and will throw this out here for more transparent discussion:

We're in the left-side setup

If you're going to drive a bread* truck through the thread, you might as well drop trou and tell all.

[House]

{

Time for work!

}

[House]

Idk why Thor is ready to townread MG after

Bee vote on me i think is pretty good. The intention feels genuine and I think their desire for a new wagon reads as pretty towny in general.
Gamma's vote is ???? Im pretty sure they were already scumreading me so im not sure why they used bee starting a pressure wagon as the time to lay down a vote
the worst had a naked vote,, which makes sense and is fine with meeeeeee. not much 2 read in to here.
Thor said my iso sent shivers down his spine which is fair,,, cos same im not proud of what ive done so far.
i dont think flea really thinks my frozen-ness here is comparable to NQN (i think thats what fae is talking abt). not a fan of that vote cos i think those scenarios are pretty different.
pp naked vote is fine.

Naked votes are "fine" to the person who happens to be the leading wagon?

Shenanigans.

The whine about Gamma's vote is also b/s. She said herself that she knew she was a scumread of his, so OF COURSE he'll be glad to help power a wagon on her. Duh!

VOTE: ManateeGal

[House]

Choo Choo, lets go.

Nah. 2083 is a hell of a lot more compelling.

We can look at Titus tomorrow.

[House]

MG is a light scumread, and I said I much preferred Thor when I voted.

Funny, it's typical buddy behavior to scumread their buddy but prefer another (or, any other) wagon.

MG needs to be eliminated today. Red flip will have me gunning for flea.

[House]

Idk why Thor is ready to townread MG after

Bee vote on me i think is pretty good. The intention feels genuine and I think their desire for a new wagon reads as pretty towny in general.
Gamma's vote is ???? Im pretty sure they were already scumreading me so im not sure why they used bee starting a pressure wagon as the time to lay down a vote
the worst had a naked vote,, which makes sense and is fine with meeeeeee. not much 2 read in to here.
Thor said my iso sent shivers down his spine which is fair,,, cos same im not proud of what ive done so far.
i dont think flea really thinks my frozen-ness here is comparable to NQN (i think thats what fae is talking abt). not a fan of that vote cos i think those scenarios are pretty different.
pp naked vote is fine.

Naked votes are "fine" to the person who happens to be the leading wagon?

Shenanigans.

The whine about Gamma's vote is also b/s. She said herself that she knew she was a scumread of his, so OF COURSE he'll be glad to help power a wagon on her. Duh!

VOTE: ManateeGal

@everyone: vote ManateeGal or tell me how I'm wrong.

[House]

@everyone: vote ManateeGal or tell me how I'm wrong.

Already did.

I was really hoping you'd take a second and actually consider 2056, because there is absolutely nothing town about that post.

[House]

Like, in what world does town go, "coming up on EoD, I'm the leading wagon, and i have multiple naked votes on me, and my opinion on those naked votes is...



???

[House]

Not to mention, MG shaded Gamma's vote on her even though she knew that she was a scumread of his, without actually addressing his scumread that she knows about.

[House]

Who the fuck can actually townread that mess?

[House]

Like, in what world does town go, "coming up on EoD, I'm the leading wagon, and i have multiple naked votes on me, and my opinion on those naked votes is...



???

Not to mention, MG shaded Gamma's vote on her even though she knew that she was a scumread of his, without actually addressing his scumread that she knows about.

Who the fuck can actually townread that mess?

I'm going to keep repeating this until people stop dodging it.

[House]

me, mom and nora

mom = momrangal?
if so that's a terrifying hydra

I played a game with them.

It was quite fun.

[House]

me, mom and nora

mom = momrangal?
if so that's a terrifying hydra

I played a game with them.

It was quite fun.

-flea*

[House]

Like, in what world does town go, "coming up on EoD, I'm the leading wagon, and i have multiple naked votes on me, and my opinion on those naked votes is...



???

The player who realizes their play has been weak.

B/S.

She gets a pass on Thor's read because of that, but naked votes give no reasoning to accept/deny/debate.

[House]

Also, if she was accepting naked votes because "she knew her play was weak", there is no justification for her to shade Gamma's vote on her.

[House]

Also, if she was accepting naked votes because "she knew her play was weak", there is no justification for her to shade Gamma's vote on her.

She's scumhunting. She can be suspicious of some votes and not others. Sure we hate naked votes but not every player needs to.

They do if they're "scumhunting".

You can't give her credit for scumhunting Gamma and a pass for NOT scumhunting naked votes when it all happened in the same post.

You're being disingenuous & bending over backwards to explain away transparently scummy behavior.

[House]

me, mom and nora

mom = momrangal?
if so that's a terrifying hydra

I played a game with them.

It was quite fun.

You’re talking about the Chrono Trigger game right
Tbh between that and a couple other games, Mom’s self-proclaimed BoP does not exist for me

I think so.

That game was a blast.

[House]

Also, if she was accepting naked votes because "she knew her play was weak", there is no justification for her to shade Gamma's vote on her.

She's scumhunting. She can be suspicious of some votes and not others. Sure we hate naked votes but not every player needs to.

They do if they're "scumhunting".

You can't give her credit for scumhunting Gamma and a pass for NOT scumhunting naked votes when it all happened in the same post.

You're being disingenuous & bending over backwards to explain away transparently scummy behavior.

Scumhunting varies from player to player.

I'm not "bending over backwards" trying to explain that principle. You've been stubborn and bullheaded. You're picking fights because people don't think like you. First Gamma and now Manatee.

Nope.

I'm picking fights because Manatee's blatant inconsistency is being ignored.

[House]

Naked votes are perfectly okay, but a player that scumreads her dropping a vote on her is sus?

GTFO.

[House]

Scumhunting varies from player to player.

I'm not "bending over backwards" trying to explain that principle. You've been stubborn and bullheaded. You're picking fights because people don't think like you. First Gamma and now Manatee.

Yes. This summarisation of her opinion on the votes on her is scumhunting.

Bee vote on me i think is pretty good. The intention feels genuine and I think their desire for a new wagon reads as pretty towny in general.
Gamma's vote is ???? Im pretty sure they were already scumreading me so im not sure why they used bee starting a pressure wagon as the time to lay down a vote
the worst had a naked vote,, which makes sense and is fine with meeeeeee. not much 2 read in to here.
Thor said my iso sent shivers down his spine which is fair,,, cos same im not proud of what ive done so far.
i dont think flea really thinks my frozen-ness here is comparable to NQN (i think thats what fae is talking abt). not a fan of that vote cos i think those scenarios are pretty different.
pp naked vote is fine.

Blindly accepting naked votes is the exact opposite of scumhunting.

Shading the player that likely had the most acceptable reason for voting her is the exact opposite of scumhunting.

[House]

As I wrote this I also realized the shade on me wasn’t even because I suspected her but because I followed Bee. Like, WHAT?

EXACTLY! She attacked your vote but not your scumread?

[House]

Why is it odd to vote your scumread after other people express interest in also voting there? It's a good way to build wagons, no?

/sign

[House]

It just blows my mind that Titus is treating MG as if she has a n0 Inno on her.

[House]

Tatty bye.

Why Reaver, you're so pretty!

[House]

pedit: I want to say Titus wouldn't be so blatant about buddying... but I can't say for sure. soooo....

She doesn't bus, so that narrows her options when/if a buddy is being hounded by a vocal townie.

[House]

my reads in poorly formatted list

[Titus, Bee]
[CSF. the worst, PP, Auro, House]
[S_S, Thor, MM] null
[Enchant, Gamma]
[Flea]

At this point, I'd swap Titus & Gamma in your list.

How in the hell is Bee top town?

CSF is good. the worst is fine

PP is way too high.

I don't get the Auro read.

All your null reads have 100+ posts. Does the fact they've made plenty of content without being readable mean anything to you at all? The only correct read for Thor on d1 is "Thor is Thor".

Enchant, eh, I've kinda cooled on him myself. No objections there.

flea, I'm trying to wrap my head around. Show me whatcha got on faer, please.

[House]

hey - would be better just to give yours to compare!

You, Titus, or MG are my vote options at this point. MG or Titus, preferably. I'm concerned that our friction may not be game related.

[House]

Cool. It at all what I said. You picked at the reads list without providing your own when that probably would have been the best venue to show disagreement instead of “too high too low”

I've made my opinion of posting full readslists known, but simply saying i disagree with MG's list as she posted it wouldn't really mean much.

[House]

ok im gonna lay this out as calmly as i can cos today has been very very frustrating in and out of game.

house you are either purposely or unconciously misunderstanding and miscontruing my statements regarding my wagon. gammas vote on me was directly after bee placed their vote stating they wanted to wagon me to develop a read. i thought this was odd considering gamma had already stated. i am begging u to look critically and analytically at my statement and think about context.

It was rude of me not to reply, my apologies.

I think you're being wrongheaded about Gamma.

I never thought that he voted for you for the same reason Bee did. You, for some reason or other, seem to have made that assumption.

If i give up on voting a scumread because nobody else is getting on the wagon, I'll jump right back on if there is renewed interest. That looked to me to be what Gamma was doing.

[House]

hey - would be better just to give yours to compare!

You, Titus, or MG are my vote options at this point. MG or Titus, preferably. I'm concerned that our friction may not be game related.

this is intriguing given you objected to Enchant's PP Sr earlier, unless I misinterpreted

I believe you misinterpreted.

Actually Penguin asked why i townread you, so i answered, then shit thrown on the fan and it started.

I townread House, because i find his nature of posting a townie. He was plenty understandbly annoyed by Thor. I disliked push on him at all, because you seemed just sheeping Gamma who made up accusation like "Can't tell why but he is mafia". Like, i too have another reasons for townreading him, but can't tell them, now what?

You cannot blame Peng for this.

I wasn't objecting to a read. I was objecting to him trying to shed responsibility for his posts.

[House]

Speaking of Enchant, he's been awfully quiet lately.

[House]

Agreeing with MG on a flashwagon prospect just feels wrong, somehow.

[House]

Losing faith in the MG wagon hitting scum.

Enchant trying to shirk responsibility for dredging up dead drama (and disappearing today) is not a good look.

VOTE: Enchant

[House]

Woooah .... we're halfway the~ere

[House]

VOTE: Titus

[House]

I did see Manatee post elsewhere FTR.

After white knighting the hell out of MG, you go and do this to sell her wagon from the sidelines?

[House]

Titus is moon logic acolyte. Idk if that's really scummy for her.

This has nothing to do with her logic and everything to do with her action not fitting her read.

[House]

Why go and push an elitell on a townread with a wagon that you've been hard defending?

[House]

I did see Manatee post elsewhere FTR.

This is also OGI FTR.

[House]

@Gamma I don't even try to read Titus from the way she interacts with people, but actions not fitting reads?

That's concerning.

Why would she undermine her own efforts to defend MG by mentioning that she had been posting elsewhere after it was brought up that she had promised to be in thread all day & disappeared?

PEdit: posting it anyway.

[House]

Titus is moon logic acolyte. Idk if that's really scummy for her.

You don't sleep very long.

[House]

Bleh. Don't really like any of these wagons. Even Titus, despite what I said earlier.

VOTE: Penguin

Actually, no.

VOTE: Enchant

Eh. I think actually I will vote either of Enchant or Titus. My cold feet on Titus have defrosted, and on Enchant I think it'll be useful to at least see the flip of one side of that 6/6 wagon.

If you ever wonder why you're getting scumread, this is an excellent example.

[House]

I am here right now.

I know. Been 4 hours-ish since you mentioned going to sleep.

[House]

There's no need, I'll sleep for him.

Sleep for me too, I also got about the same amount of sleep last night.

[House]

Wagons are springing up fast no matter who they land on, it seems.

Y'all are bloodthirsty.

[House]

Sure, I'll fit in an extra 4 and a half hours for you.

It was more like 6.5 hours between posts in the thread, but your guess is accurate.

Psychic Thor is psychic.

[House]

UNVOTE:

Long day at work, today.

I'll be back later.

[House]

I'll try to check in tonight but it's date night. I may not be back and active before deadline. For that reason, I will claim. I'm the universal backup.

I call BS.

Like hell you got that as the last pick.

Where's her motive to lie when her wagon is disintegrating?

[House]

*squints*

yeah ok, missed that. let you off.


oh fair warning to everyone, I'm back on the pain meds because fuck this flare up -.-; longest one yet

Why are you still voting her?

Titus guaranteed she'll never see Elo. If scum doesn't nk her, town will paranoia lim her before that point.

[House]

VOTE: Enchant

[House]

[House]

House, why did you lolhammer Enchant like that?

Shiggles.

[House]

The only people in interested in voting at this point are Miss Midnight and ManateeGal.

Their associatives with Enchant are terribad.

VOTE: Miss Midnight

[House]

Enchant never once addressed MM, and his only posts regarding her were defensive in nature.

[House]

ManateeGal shows up 4 times in Enchant's ISO, the last time being a vote for her on a wagon that had no future.

My guess is it was to attempt to distance.

Everybody else in the game, he has interacted with far more.

When you argue, it's mostly midnights for me and i sleep. I just wake up.

I write big post about wagons and it got deleted when almost done, because i presses wrong button. I don't want to write it again, so base idea:

I don't really sure what's going on. But right now it looks like Gamma is more likely town, not only because of townie reaction on "Hammer, you ded", but because i would die already like 100 times if Gamma was mafia, because it's easy to get me killed here instead of her.

I think voting Manatee is good idea still, it could be old trick to collect votes and then dismantle wagon for DISTANCING points. No, really, mafia love to wagon each other on start of day for weak reasons at start, knowing it will dismantle and give more town points (because after someone accused and then "proved" innocence we tend to believe him more. Psychology.)

VOTE: Manatee

vote count 1.29

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-03 17:20:00).

yeet

Enchant [5]:

House, the worst, ManateeGal, Auro, Gamma Emerald

Titus [3]:

Flea The Magician, Thor Ragnarok, Cat Scratch Fever

ManateeGal [2]:

Bee, Enchant

Miss Midnight [1]:

PenguinPower

Gamma Emerald [1]:

Miss Midnight

Thor Ragnarok [1]

Titus

not voting [1]:

Something_Smart

mod notes

~ dual mod iso

flavour

[House]

Weird response to my agreement on MM

That's probably because it wasn't in response to your post.

[House]

Ah. I forgot your ignoring me then.

Nope.

I was wanting to get my thoughts out before i looked at anything else going on.

Were I ignoring you, I wouldn't have responded to your last post.

When I really to someone, I typically quote the post(s) I'm addressing.

Mentions is such an old school view on tying people together given it’s so easy to foil.

For skilled scum, sure. Enchant doesn't strike me as such.

[House]

Eh, perhaps Enchant didn't mention Manatee a lot, because Manatee was MIA for most of yesterday. Manatee helped get Enchant elimmed in the end.

You mean she threw a buddy that had plenty of suspicion on him under the bus?

Wow, that never happens. Guess I'm wrong. /s

[House]

Weird for Enchant to not be voting there

No it's not. He was too invested in "townreading" Gamma.

Voting there would have raised eyebrows.

[House]

Eh, perhaps Enchant didn't mention Manatee a lot, because Manatee was MIA for most of yesterday. Manatee helped get Enchant elimmed in the end.

You mean she threw a buddy that had plenty of suspicion on him under the bus?

Wow, that never happens. Guess I'm wrong. /s

Second slot with a viable counter is not usually the place unless they are hard pushing.

Positioning doesn't really matter that much when the buddy has been catching heat of varying temperatures all day long.

[House]

ok im gonna lay this out as calmly as i can cos today has been very very frustrating in and out of game.

house you are either purposely or unconciously misunderstanding and miscontruing my statements regarding my wagon. gammas vote on me was directly after bee placed their vote stating they wanted to wagon me to develop a read. i thought this was odd considering gamma had already stated. i am begging u to look critically and analytically at my statement and think about context.

this kinda makes sense but just because I followed Bee doesn't mean I shared her reason for voting you

ok im gonna lay this out as calmly as i can cos today has been very very frustrating in and out of game.

house you are either purposely or unconciously misunderstanding and miscontruing my statements regarding my wagon. gammas vote on me was directly after bee placed their vote stating they wanted to wagon me to develop a read. i thought this was odd considering gamma had already stated. i am begging u to look critically and analytically at my statement and think about context.

It was rude of me not to reply, my apologies.

I think you're being wrongheaded about Gamma.

I never thought that he voted for you for the same reason Bee did. You, for some reason or other, seem to have made that assumption.

If i give up on voting a scumread because nobody else is getting on the wagon, I'll jump right back on if there is renewed interest. That looked to me to be what Gamma was doing.

ok im gonna lay this out as calmly as i can cos today has been very very frustrating in and out of game.

house you are either purposely or unconciously misunderstanding and miscontruing my statements regarding my wagon. gammas vote on me was directly after bee placed their vote stating they wanted to wagon me to develop a read. i thought this was odd considering gamma had already stated. i am begging u to look critically and analytically at my statement and think about context.

this kinda makes sense but just because I followed Bee doesn't mean I shared her reason for voting you

ohh i guess i could understand that. i'll admit my conclusion on you was wrong then

With Gamma and I both debunking her b/s assumption about his vote, it would have been quite difficult for her to justify returning to his wagon.

[House]

Gamma wasn’t the counter….

As if Titus was an actual lim possibility on d1.

You're funny.

[House]

It was a dumb move, not arguing that.

[House]

Says the guy that agrees with me on MM and still isn't voting there.

[House]

Enchant pulled off after Audi’s fake hammer and earned towncred which dismantled the wagon.

Geez…if only there were a reason.

I didn't give a damn about that.

[House]

Enchant pulled off after Audi’s fake hammer and earned towncred which dismantled the wagon.

Geez…if only there were a reason.

Kinda undermines your theory that they're scum together, IMHO.

[House]

Eh, Enchant's associatives with Auro are pretty bad as well.

Arguably worse than MG, not as bad as MM.

[House]

MM + 1 of {Auro/ManateeGal} are all fine lims for today.

My first choice remains MM.

[House]

Based on Thor's mechanical spec 98, 326, 664, and 858, he seemed to have good reason to scumread Enchant based off of numbers alone, but Thor never actually placed a vote on Enchant.

I feel like their mutual townreads on each other were pretty flimsy as well.

Eh, I feel like his association with Thor is manufactured/forced.

Like he's trying to push it in our faces.

[House]

VOTE: Thor

Surround the dead. Also, CSF may be right after thinking on it.

[House]

VOTE: Thor

Sheeping the dead. Also, CSF may be right after thinking on it.

[House]

hmm. have you played this setup before?

please proceed carefully. I have a fairly confident alt read on you.

I think this post + his constant badgering of Thor may have gotten him killed last night.

[House]

Why?

Lack of vote at EoD combined with an iso that reads as avoidant of any big stances makes me pretty suspicious

That's ELO rationale, we're nowhere near that.

[House]

i'll trust you on that then

VOTE: Auro

Why Auro?

[House]

i'll trust you on that then

VOTE: Auro

Why Auro?

sheeping mr penguin till i get a handle on my own opinions

Fair.

[House]

Fake hammers just strike me more as a town gambit, personally.

[House]

That’s s_s’s day 1 as much as it irritates me. There is better reasoning out there for others atm.

I... I feel like I'm used to you being harder on me than this? Maybe it's just that I've rolled scum against you a lot?

That'd be a ballsy post as scum, lol.

[House]

I wanted to scumread PP during the night phase, but the more i read the more unlikely that world looked.

/le sigh

Would have been a nice excuse for the friction. Oh wells.

[House]

It seems to me like Flea scum only makes sense if Enchant is also scum, I can't really see Flea scum Enchant town. So again, even without any real townread there I guess I just don't really get the wagon.

If MM flips red, Flea is basically IC for this post.

[House]

Spoiler:

Bleh. Don't really like any of these wagons. Even Titus, despite what I said earlier.

VOTE: Penguin

Actually, no.

VOTE: Enchant

Eh. I think actually I will vote either of Enchant or Titus. My cold feet on Titus have defrosted, and on Enchant I think it'll be useful to at least see the flip of one side of that 6/6 wagon.

If you ever wonder why you're getting scumread, this is an excellent example.

Don't care, didn't ask.

UNVOTE:

lel

[House]

VOTE: Miss Midnight

My preferred lim. I remain convinced that Thor is also a solid choice.

I'd just rather work with Penguin than be at odds with him when I'm townreading him.

[House]

Same tbh.

Bickering with my townreads & my unending paranoia really hobbled me in the past.

I'm trying to overcome that.

[House]

Pure wagon is pure.

(Sorry for my sideways approach at start of day, MG. PP & CSF changed my mind, albeit in different ways)

[House]

If Titus, Gamma and Bee joins the wagon, that'll be all my solid townreads.

I'm typically pretty paranoid of Titus, but she was after Enchant's blood most of the day and she doesn't bus.

[House]

Ugh.

Not even curious why. That's just an objectively terrible vote.

[House]

"Objectively terrible" why?

Who put Enchant at E-1, again?

[House]

VOTE: Enchant

This is fine ig. I'm kind of just sick of this day phase at this point.

Actually after thinking about it some more, I am surprisingly okay with a Titus wagon. Everyone who has been seriously run up today has felt townie. I feel like scum are hiding somewhere in the null-townreads.

VOTE: Titus

Also I remembered Enchant unvoting Gamma didn't seem like scum at E-2

Votes Enchant but notices that people scumread Titus, and tries to start a wagon there.

I read 2298 as demoralized town, so the vote on Titus doesn't surprise me.

[House]

When Titus had claimed, you backed off and Enchant was gonna be the lim anyway?

It's common for me to paranoia scumread Titus and wagon her on d1 to feel for a reachout, but if I'm ever on a wagon that actually manages to eliminate her on d1, park your vote on me because I'm scum getting rid of a threat.

Anywho, I'd have to review eod 1 to confirm what you're saying, but i wouldn't suggest thunderdoming CSF.

[House]

Pesky CSF, you're just too town to be town.

Guess you gotta die.

[House]

When Titus had claimed, you backed off

Little nitpick, but i unvoted

before

she claimed.

UNVOTE:

Long day at work, today.

I'll be back later.

I'll try to check in tonight but it's date night. I may not be back and active before deadline. For that reason, I will claim. I'm the universal backup.

[House]

It seems to me like Flea scum only makes sense if Enchant is also scum, I can't really see Flea scum Enchant town. So again, even without any real townread there I guess I just don't really get the wagon.

If MM flips red, Flea is basically IC for this post.

I kinda get it but I also don’t

That post reads as trying to set up a mislim following losing a buddy.

Why would scum box themselves into scumreading another buddy when the one that's currently being scumread is in danger of being eliminated?