AI UPCIK PART II | Compromised

[Radical Rat]

Oh wait, Dwlee already hammered, missed that bit.

[Radical Rat]

I think Yuki would probably be a good check. I'm townleaning her, but as a lurker slot she's gonna be pretty easy to mislim, especially with mastina pushing there, so probably a good slot to clear. Or not clear.

[Radical Rat]

All three of those are good choices, but I feel like Yuki's the hardest to sort without a cop on account of her not really playing much. I certainly wouldn't mind having proper confirmation on MT, or the ability to trust A50 though.

[Radical Rat]

MT, have you been explicitly told by the mod your slot did nothing N1, or did you just assume that?

[Radical Rat]

Also, the reason there was only one nightkill is that Gamma did a vig kill N1, and we're most probably in singleball. Which means A50 was not attacked or attacking, because the scumkill went through.

[Radical Rat]

What I suspect is happening here is that scum roleblocked A50 and killed Titus in order to prevent us from getting any workable cop results. Through PoE, scum has to be Enchant/Yuki/Skybird. We can start with Enchant.

VOTE: Enchant

[Radical Rat]

Like if you're gonna go through the PoE in perfect order what is it

Enchant, then Yuki, then Skybird.

[Radical Rat]

3 groupscum + NDMath, Enchant/Yuki/Skybird is the solve. Unless Gamma is pulling some galaxy brain SK strats, but we'll handle that if the game doesn't end

[Radical Rat]

Dwlee doesn't need to be investigative, he was cleared because I used a Friendly Neighbor ability

[Radical Rat]

I am but every town player that has flipped has had "dark" in their role name, minus you.

Taroumaru, The Royal Knight Of The Deeplands, died night 2

[Radical Rat]

Dragon Of The West, The Wicker Man, Executed day 1

[Radical Rat]

He isn't mechanically cleared, I am, but the way the whole thing went down yesterday seems extremely unlikely to have come from scum!Dwlee

[Radical Rat]

I disagree that Enchant's scumflip clears Yuki. If scum's going to bus someone, it'd be Yuki, especially if she's as inactive in the scum thread as the main thread.

[Radical Rat]

HOLD IT

[Radical Rat]

Dwlee's a Universal Miller, ALL investigation checks make them look guilty, not just cops.

[Radical Rat]

Some moderators take the "passive guilt" concept to the point where Millers also investigate unfavorably to other roles (e.g. Gunsmith); this can be given a name like Universal Miller, although just plain "Miller" is also seen. Alternatively, specialized Millers can be created specifically for investigative roles other than Cop; for example, a Track Miller would always be seen, by a Tracker, as targeting the player that the Mafia (or whatever the "main" anti-Town faction in that game is) had attempted to kill.

[Radical Rat]

Gravedigger would be a Tracker-specific Miller. Universal should apply to both.

[Radical Rat]

No, this is wrong

[Radical Rat]

Wait fuck. You guys hammered them because of the Hated

[Radical Rat]

They're dead is what they are.

[Radical Rat]

But what about the N1 double kill?

[Radical Rat]

Ah, right. I assumed Gamma just lied about that and was really the SK

[Radical Rat]

Very annoyed at myself for not even considering cults, but ah well. Nothing much to be done about it now.

[Radical Rat]

SK do attack cult, especially MT because she betrayed my trust by joining them

[Radical Rat]

That was my actual god damn role except after I was culted i could force it to roleblock yeah sorry A50

Kind of a cool setup but like we almost auto lost ???? despite only eliminating town???? so idk what was happening there

I mean, all you had to do was convert the 2 mastinas, and you would have won easily by having a scum IC

[Radical Rat]

Turns out the real scum was the friends we made along the way

[Radical Rat]

Well, I don't know about the mastinas specifically, but I did ask and get confirmation that if a scum player somehow used my Friendly Neighbor ability, it would still say they were aligned with the Kingdom. I asked that with Ari in mind, but it would probably apply to me being culted as well

[Radical Rat]

There is one very important reason to go for SK win: Fun

[Radical Rat]

Also.....

I lied and Dwlee is alive

[Radical Rat]

Anyone hammering a member of the kindgom will become an universal miller and be inflicted with hated status, doing so multiple times will stack the number of votes on the person,

but cannot go lower than (number of non-town alive + 1)

[Radical Rat]

4 cult + 1 SK = 5 non-Town, 5 + 1 = 6, so Dwlee still needs 6 votes to eliminate, Hated is irrelevant

[Radical Rat]

NDMath wasn't a Townie

[Radical Rat]

It also clearly wasn't autowin, since Gamma was in the townpool

[Radical Rat]

What for exactly?

Claim was supported by A50's check and the extra kill N1, along with just generally being townread. It wasn't a hard clear, but I don't think anyone suspected him regardless

[Radical Rat]

Okay, but doesn't 2 votes he already had + our four votes equal six votes, RR?

The two votes weren't real votes, it was the Hated stacks, which don't actually work here

[Radical Rat]

I also dont get what my role is for if it actually doesnt do anything. i feel kinda tricked

What do you mean your role doesn't do anything? You roleblocked A50 didn't you?

[Radical Rat]

Oh, you did a double lie, okay then. Not sure why if you thought you'd won at that point, but in any case, it's not that hated doesn't do anything ever, it just prevents a situation like this where the scumteam can eliminate without opposition

[Radical Rat]

I think the idea behind showing Hated on the VC still might have been so that Town couldn't use it to determine how many scum were left, but idk, we'll just have to wait for Gypyx to get here and explain.

[Radical Rat]

Doing that tells Town how many Scum exist.
That said, I think that tradeoff is worth having an accurate VC

[Radical Rat]

Well, I had fun, in spite of everything. I am very curious what the raw input/output for the AI was

[Radical Rat]

Ty for being the a town beacon and carrying most of the workload of the game.

I definitely do not feel like this was the case, but I appreciate it nonetheless.

Felt like I was pretty sloppy a lot of the time, particularly my inability to let go of A50's early shenanigans until the very end, but ah well.

I am glad we at least seemed to be on the right track had it not been for the Hated error