Mini 2241: The Neighborhood -- ENDGAME

Fri Oct 01, 2021 5:54 pm

i like ur spirit!

Fri Oct 01, 2021 5:58 pm

aaahhh i had a really good reaction written up then ctrl+w'd myself by mistake. take 2.

Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:05 pm

i kind of tried to explain it to you pretty early on. i don't have a strong idea of your scumgame necessarily, but i have an idea of what i expect from scum!unwnd, and i don't feel like you're tapping into your manipulative toolset here. you're kind of taking your time and slowly inhaling information, digesting it, and just leaving behind thoughts as you go and it feels quite natural. i know you're fairly capable of forcing logical reads when required, but you don't really feel forced at all? you're kinda just around the place, bouncing stuff off people, forming reads at your own pace - you've felt natural. it also feels like you're just actually interested in talking to people in the list, not trying to pocket or work an angle. i wouldn't say you're someone who's gotten by without pressure - without MUCH pressure, sure, but you've had your fair share of attention and a little bit of the spotlight and i don't feel like it's fatigued you really. it's fatiguing being ever-present as scum. you just feel more unwnd than you usually do here and intuition tells me that's a towntell.

or like, you're scum who's going all out on imitating some kind of smooth-but-not-real-super-towny version of what people might expect your towngame to be on day one of a 13p game. which is like, fine it can be done but it doesn't feel like there's much point to it. like if you are scum you're putting a bunch of effort into just.. vibing. i don't really think that's something i associate with your scumgame all that much.

Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:10 pm

In post 1786, Gamma Emerald wrote:I’m kinda ready to turn in for the night but I’ll drop thoughts and we can continue this later probably
LLD’s entrance felt kinda organic in a way that I unfortunately can’t really dive into yet but I expect will make sense when I get to it. The only thing I could say I’m concerned about is her immediate trust that I’m town by how she asserted I was misreading her, but given how Dwlee has interacted with me that’s also entirely understandable. However, Loftwing was weird and while I can kinda see his posting being town it was still not great.
House I think has felt about the same as he did in PYP, and just in general seems to have good intentions. I also think if he’s scum here he doesn’t react the way he did to Pooky’s dumb meta argument. But it’s also D1 and I’m not as assured as I was in PYP that I can read House super-duper easily.

i'd posit that LLD will tell anyone who scumreads her that they're misreading her, regardless of her alignment. "she's good scum" is a bad reason to be scumreading her, and it's not my reason, but i'd ask that you be very careful relying on the immediacy of her suggesting you're lying as a towntell.
don't mind the theory that there's some level of scum in {dwlee, lld} and {lld, megazu} but i don't really see what part of the dwlee/lld interactions actually made you come out seeing lld as town.
could you expand a bit more when you've got time tmo?

re. house, i don't really see it. in pyp i literally used house as a sounding board on d1 as much as i could because i was like, *certain* he was town and didn't want to interact with slots i wasn't certain on (gotta get that sweet n1 kill u know). i kinda like. wouldn't be surprised if this is his towngame, but i don't really see the similarities. he's felt far lower-energy and kind of flat here. it's not about the 'trying to be less assertive on d1' thing either; i dig that. i just haven't found myself picking up anything house is putting down so far.

Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:10 pm

In post 1791, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 1784, unwnd wrote:This is a selfish request but sometimes I think I have a better impression of slots if they gauge their read on me.

I'd like to know more (Worst/LLD) why you feel the way about my slot you do.
As if I'm going to put you higher than middle on day one in a game lke this with how you're playing?

I townread you, kinda. I'm putting you as high as I am currently comfortable doing because you're not like... I dunno, an innocent child, lol

good take actually

Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:11 pm

ugh is it?
i can't decide if i feel like you're missing something less tangible or if you're being cautious

i think unwnd is net pretty towny. not "gamble the game tier" towny but like.. towny

Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:15 pm

In post 1798, unwnd wrote:
In post 1790, the worst wrote:i kind of tried to explain it to you pretty early on. i don't have a strong idea of your scumgame necessarily, but i have an idea of what i expect from scum!unwnd, and i don't feel like you're tapping into your manipulative toolset here. you're kind of taking your time and slowly inhaling information, digesting it, and just leaving behind thoughts as you go and it feels quite natural. i know you're fairly capable of forcing logical reads when required, but you don't really feel forced at all? you're kinda just around the place, bouncing stuff off people, forming reads at your own pace - you've felt natural. it also feels like you're just actually interested in talking to people in the list, not trying to pocket or work an angle. i wouldn't say you're someone who's gotten by without pressure - without MUCH pressure, sure, but you've had your fair share of attention and a little bit of the spotlight and i don't feel like it's fatigued you really. it's fatiguing being ever-present as scum. you just feel more unwnd than you usually do here and intuition tells me that's a towntell.

or like, you're scum who's going all out on imitating some kind of smooth-but-not-real-super-towny version of what people might expect your towngame to be on day one of a 13p game. which is like, fine it can be done but it doesn't feel like there's much point to it. like if you are scum you're putting a bunch of effort into just.. vibing. i don't really think that's something i associate with your scumgame all that much.
Appreciate the thoroughness but the only interjection I have is

You voted Pooky or at least hinted towards it once. Pooky is one of my main aggregators here. I don't really treat myself as an elimination option because I typically have good D1s as both alignments. Do you think Pooky is just falsifying his stance on me to seem townier? I think he's capable of working that angle, but like. If I am in your position and I had deep devoted thoughts towards someone who I'm pretty sure is town, I'd either be held aghast by people not seeing what I do or suspect opportunistic scum. I don't feel your criticisms of pooky align with either.

Pedit - Gamma that's not even remotely true. I'm a sweaty slimy scumlord.

i'm not really scumreading pooky atp but i can try and channel my earlier vibe if you'd like? i just felt like his push on me was kinda slimy. i didn't really read his push on you much because i didn't get where he was coming from and like ... kinda didn't care all that much ... he has so many posts and a bunch of them are just shitposting so i glazed over lol

sorry, more importantly. what do you want from me here?

Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:16 pm

In post 1800, Gamma Emerald wrote:tw basically homed in on the wrong bits of my reads/completely misinterpreted my points so that’s a feelsbadman

i literally don't understand those reads (i think they're our most polarised reads except for dwlee*), hence asking questions about them.

* i kind of get why you can be not townreading dwlee as town so i don't really think it's useful fighting over it i just disagree

Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:25 pm

sorry this is probably a kind of wild divergence from my last tier list but {pooky, kazyan, dwlee, unwnd} is probably 3-4 town. i might be wrong on openwolf memeing pooky if i'm really really off-point this game but i'm kinda losing any interest in murdering him. otherwise maybe dwlee or kazyan are finessing me but i don't really feel like it as much. unwnd feels like the most unlikely read here but also just. doesn't feel like someone i'm being finessed by.

i really want to put gork in that category and he has like, main character of mini 2241 energy, but u kno

there's this other tier which is probably like {gamma, house, dann} which has one scum in it

and it's gamma

and i don't kno who it is. i think gamma just dropped down my readlist because his reads on house & lld are just so epically hard to relate to. sorry gamma, pretty keen to see you come back with more tomorrow when you have time.

murdercat & navi are fuckin wildcards as explained several times. still think mcat is a splendid yeet, navi is fine but i have a higher level of interest in letting her live.

0-1 scum in {lld, megazu} and i kind of weakly lean towards megazu being town. i just kind of ~got~ megazu's reaction to LLD's replace in.

{pooky, kazy, dwlee, unwnd}
{gork}
{} entire bracket of weak townreads which i just don't have
{house, dann}
{megazu} (flips down if LLD is green)
{mcat, navi} ????
{gamma}
{LLD}

i don't really remember where my vote is
VOTE: LLD

Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:25 pm

In post 1804, House wrote:
In post 1793, the worst wrote:re. house, i don't really see it. in pyp i literally used house as a sounding board on d1 as much as i could because i was like, *certain* he was town and didn't want to interact with slots i wasn't certain on (gotta get that sweet n1 kill u know). i kinda like. wouldn't be surprised if this is his towngame, but i don't really see the similarities. he's felt far lower-energy and kind of flat here. it's not about the 'trying to be less assertive on d1' thing either; i dig that. i just haven't found myself picking up anything house is putting down so far.
That's fair.

I have less energy in general. Work has been rough this week.

ditto, been a weird week for the whole world i think. i don't like.. actively think you're scum, i just don't get how people are hard townreading you.

have a good night.

Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:26 pm

In post 1806, unwnd wrote:g

this post was hilariously well timed, i was just thinking about how pooky somehow pushed gork out of my confident townreads. lol.

Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:29 pm

i don't really intend to let you slip by unwnd, and i appreciate that you're capable of presence and making sound logical dayplay decisions when playing scum. you can also pull together quite a lot of energy. but i don't think i've seen scum!unwnd as smooth as you are in this game. sorry if that's an insult, i kinda get annoyed when people underestimate my scumrange, but i just think you're just in the town side of that bizarre part of my brain which tries to abstractly read players who are smarter than me

Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:31 pm

now i feel like i'm abstractly complimenting you and i was trying to channel primary school bully vibes this game.. ahhh energy ruined

Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:44 pm

i have some stuff to think about - i need to work before super long but i will be back within 12 hours for some fun.

pedit:

unwnd wrote:Right now I'm starting to think you're not scum, just because I think the things you're saying make sense. If this is your own scumplay diverting me then we can end up 50/50. Why do you get into a shitpit with LLD who is able to amass a large crowd and very often get what she wants. You're brave but not stupid.

How hot and bothered do you get as scum? How personal is this affront I mentioned?

unwnd wrote:Man you don't roll scum very often worst. I'd still like a reference point if you have it.

it's a curse ;(

I have quite a lot of pride, and I really enjoy making dayplay decisions which are seemingly outlandish if it means that I'm less likely to be suspected. ask pooky for the parable of Micro 960 (preferably skipping over the toxic bits).

Spoiler: biased recount

i adore challenging myself as scum, i adore the stress of mafia, but no. i have limited interest in making pushes which i don't think i have any recourse for which aren't going to go my way. pocketing dwlee isn't valuable enough to go at LLD as soon as she replaces into a game. defending scum partner Dwlee isn't valuable enough to go at LLD as soon as she enters a game (especially given her push against them wasn't very convincing anyway). i get as sweaty as i

need

to as scum, and if i see a hardmode route which i think is objectively likely to improve my position in the daygame, i'll take it. sometimes i make sub-optimal decisions as scum because i damn well feel like it.

so like, as i type this out i'm kind of forced to concede i'm a prideful bastard and me going toe-to-toe with LLD is absolutely consistent with my scumgame. i also benefit from the knowledge that it's not something i would really WANT to do as scum here. so i'm not really going to be able to set your mind, i'm sorry.

Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:47 pm

i'll respond to that within 12 hours, but not right now.

Fri Oct 01, 2021 7:08 pm

yeesh this is hard. i've grabbed a bunch of recent games but after i stopped playing a bunch of mafia in like, 2018-19 i don't really.. roll scum super often anymore :<
it seems i get more scum roles when i replace in, so *waves hands ominously*

Spoiler: happy birthday unwnd

Fri Oct 01, 2021 7:12 pm

not super useful: i just remembered i rolled scum on the reboot of that one team mafia game but i didn't really realise how burned out i was after the toxicity of the first rand and i just left for a while.

Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:25 am

In post 1825, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1808, the worst wrote:i think gamma just dropped down my readlist because his reads on house & lld are just so epically hard to relate to.
Btw this sounds like a load of shit, pretty sure you had just said “agree to disagree so thinking I’m scum for being out of line with your perspective is miles off from that suggestion and you just wanted an excuse to slide into OMGUS pushing me

I think we're gonna agree to disagree on Dwlee and I think you have a lot of work to do to convince me your other reads are real lollllll

Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:26 am

HAHAHA I'VE POCKETED UNWND AT LAST

sure
VOTE: mcat

Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:34 am

I'm surprised folks aren't seeing what I'm seeing with Dwlee really?? though in kinda reading their mafia alignment with a weather vane so maybe I'm being kinda goofy being so confident on d1

Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:44 am

pooky go back to sleep

jk

you're like, incorrect on me. I think you're incorrect on unwnd but we may need to agree to disagree. why do you townread MCat? / where else would you go?

pedit: god ilu

Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:45 am

In post 1834, Gorkington wrote:which like, again, why is he not pushing his strongest scumread and instead off on a fucking fantasy adventure voting someone who isnt even here when theres no support for it and a day until deadline

I mean y'all aren't considering LLD

Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:45 am

I also think there's decent equity in that {megazu lld} interaction so I'm v v keen to flip LLD but also aware I have subzero clout here

Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:48 am

like voting my biggest scumread is absurd when it has no support and also its LLD. I tried for a fairly long time.

pedit: o boy are you telling me I can cw LLD?

Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:49 am

In post 1839, Gorkington wrote:like why are you not trying to drive an LLD wagon
why are you not trying to push it
why are you not poking people as to why they arent voting her

theres no drive to what youre doing at all.

don't think ur reading what I'm posting when I'm here pal

Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:53 am

Every time someone's here at the same time as me I'm trying to work out where they're @ and particularly where they're at on LLD. are you open to voting LLD?

Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:55 am

In post 1834, Gorkington wrote:pooky: feels weird to have him in the upper echelons of this list but oh well! i woke up 10 minutes ago feeling some kind of moment of clarity about the fact that pooky feels like he doesnt have control in a way thats making him seem antsier in this game than in his scumgames when he felt like everything he did was calculated towards some kind of purpose

strong vibe btw

I generally agree with your reads and I think I need a couple of drinks to deliberate over something

Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:01 am

look I still think there's enough time to remedy this. I'm going to take whichever of LLD and mcat I can get in the end of the day bc guess what? I'm town, I'm enjoying this game and I want to survive, and I don't think either of them are remotely towny. If I can get LLD I'll fuckin take it because I think a lot of people are throwing her into some weird null/town pool that kind of exempts her from being wagoned and I just don't get it. Like. Maybe I'm being dramatic and her push on Dwlee was just a botched attempt at a standard push? Maybe her reads aren't as phoney as I think they are? but like I just think she's kinda openwolfing and she has really niche associatives which just make me want that flip. I don't think she expects not to get out of this, so if I'm right that she's scum I think getting that flip over the line is a goldmine.

But my attempts to engage with people lately? unwnd has been I'd say successful, except that their vote landed on MCat who isn't my preferred lim. Gamma is talking to me like I'm already a nonfacotr in the game. Pooky is just yelling about my death. I can he around as much as I can and implore people to vote for the person I think is clearly scum, but that's only gonna work if people will listen to me and agree.

If we can take LLD down this phase I think that's ace as. If not, MCat is literally a fine elim. He isn't towny and when he's here it feels like his posts have been edited by a pressure cleaner. He's just praying to get through the phase lol.

Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:02 am

In post 1847, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 1835, the worst wrote:why do you townread MCat?
i don't think he says he's going to site-retire cuz he's tired of getting run up on d1 if he's scum

How about LLD then, wanna join me on my crusade?

Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:04 am

In post 1846, Gorkington wrote:can you walk me through why you like unwnd's interactions with you here?
like.
why is his read trajectory on you reading as genuine?

I'm slowly eating my shirt again because his read flip on me when I'm like peak pocketable is stressin me out but I also think I've been a bit more opaque than usual about certain things and I think a player with a logical core like unwnd's would actually vibe with the fact I've finally explained stuff and like, I'm aware my explanations are good because they're my real brain thoughts so I guess at some level I kind of... half expected my conversation with unwnd to go well in the first place?

their read flip on me is probably the only thing they've really done that's given me pause but I actually think town!unwnd does enjoy that conversation and see the merit of my reads/explanations and it's probably not actually material

Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:06 am

tl;dr it just kinda tracks. I don't think it really effects my read on unwnd all that much.

pedit: he... is just posting half comments about the game and coasting?...am I missing some amazing content or something

Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:10 am

it wasn't. I guess the best explanation I can give is that this post is fine --

In post 1241, MURDERCAT wrote:vote

-- but it just answers why he asked the questions. I don't... Really have any idea of how any of anything has actually effected his view on the game.

I just reskimmed his ISO to get this post out and I actually don't think I want to flip him D1 anymore and I hate it

VOTE: lld back to hoping I guess

Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:11 am

In post 1856, Gorkington wrote:why is navi not in your options for a flip?

navi is close to how I feel about MCat right now

her posts are kinda whatever when she's here. she's mostly just not here.

on the balance of things she's probably actually a marginally better flip than MCat

Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:18 am

I don't have a super great grasp on the gamestate rn no this week has been kinda messy. I voted MCat there because unwnd suggested it and unwnd was there.

Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:19 am

I am town but that's not rude dw. I'm giving everything I can I just don't have as much mental capacity as I wish I did quite yet!

Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:24 am

I wonder if I look scummy because I took too long to correct my reads on drathkitty and pooky mm

Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:25 am

I appreciate the pointers y'all I feel like my scumgame has improved dramatically from this feedback

Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:26 am

look I'm gonna leave my vote on LLD. I'd ask for a d1 pass but I doubt enough of you know my play well enough to grant it. I still haven't decided on a couple of things and have work to do before EOD but at a bare minimum, dignify me with a cw pls

Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:29 am

mmkay we have 36ish hours left, I don't have a cw, votes aren't moving, and I've already kind of hinted it too much. I am not vanilla.

Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:32 am

I think lld/gamma/navi is realistically a Poe that should be hitting scum. If I'm wrong on LLD megazu hits always. if I'm wrong on either of the others i think dann/maybe house slot in but lukewarm.

pedit: you're one vote and you're not on me. If you'd had my interactions with LLD, pooky, gamma and gork you might have an idea of where I'm at.

Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:34 am

I have two choices here. Either hope that a cw springs up and goes through (and if it's against scum risk a manipulative claim late on). or try to mount a cw and then probably still end up claiming in the late phase struggle except it also ends up looking manipulative because I'm driving votes off myself into the latephase frenzy.

Don't think I have many other choices especially given I hope to sleep soon and those wiling to consolidate on a cw seem...in the majority or absent.

Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:35 am

in the minority* sorry

just occurred to me house's rxn to my callout weakly discredits his supporters which is probably not scum motivated. that's cool.

Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:36 am

Gork acknowledges that some of my takes check out but also just thinks I'm scum and reading over his case on me I started scumreading myself so I don't really expect to turn the protagonist of the game to my side.

Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:55 am

fwiw I feel like there's one scum in us I'm like, 72% sure

Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:06 am

In post 1882, House wrote:
In post 1879, the worst wrote:fwiw I feel like there's one scum in us I'm like, 72% sure
Does LLD come out swinging as scum?

Now I'm really gone, lol.

not ai for her but she likes coming out swingin

Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:10 am

LLD > gamma > navi IMO but w/e any will do

Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:47 pm

LLD is like.. literally openwolfing. but ok. will do Navi if it means I live the day.

Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:58 pm

she doesn't engage w anything that's happening because if she's going down there's no point in putting out more associatives. putting me to e-1 as a TPR claim without evaluating anything else (incl. lack of meaningful counterwagon) isn't a townie.

Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:03 pm

like it's p clear she's getting her way rn

Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:47 pm

it's almost like you want more information so you know whether i'm worth n1ing ;]

Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:04 pm

In post 1987, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 1986, the worst wrote:it's almost like you want more information so you know whether i'm worth n1ing ;]
It's almost like claiming "I'm a powerrole" is something anyone can do and is a super easy scum lie and isn't a real claim and shouldn't scare anyone from voting anything.

And it's almost like that's been the standard for a decade of mafia.

And it's almost like I've had this conversation and done this with other players, when playing as a townie before, and will continue to in the future.

It's almost like you're grasping for anything that you can use at this point because you feel the noose tightening.

No, I just don't think claiming the specifics is more valuable than alerting y'all that eliminating me is a bad idea. It's almost like I can make plays which are more self-aware than "the standard for a decade of mafia". Arguing that it's standardised therefore it's right is so regressive.

Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:26 pm

VOTE: Navi

Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:37 pm

Why kill obvious scum when we can kill a scummy lurker yeet

Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:38 pm

Navi you're voting my a tpr while talking about the merits of not losing some tpr I literally don't understand

Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:40 pm

Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:42 pm

Gamma is literally scum with LLD

Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:42 pm

oh snap, maybe. that would be funny.

Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:43 pm

can someone count votes? I'm busy for a bit.

pedit: chilled.

Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:44 pm

In post 2017, Navi wrote:Pizza is here. I had fun actually. Sorry about the low wim and vla.

Enjoy the pizza. If it means anything, I think this was a pretty shit elimination when we have such highly contended slots

Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:48 pm

In post 2024, House wrote:
In post 2016, unwnd wrote:Wait no House unvoted. It probably is Navi elimination.
I did a good.

If I'm not alive to tell you I appreciate it, etc.

Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:49 pm

In post 2028, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:but seriously that 1 page wagon from 2 votes to 7 votes is shady af if navi flips town and if you're town and you flash voted her randomly then just wtf

I straight up don't think I had another option here. Y'all have your head buried in the sand wrt LLD.

Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:52 pm

oh good point I can vigcop her

Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:53 pm

In post 2036, unwnd wrote:I definitely wasn't influenced of my walkback on Worst due to other varying factors and like if I get owned by overthinking D1 at least it's early so I can correct it

vice versa fwiw. lots of time to correct reads (and lots of time to kill LLD and Gamma)

Tue Oct 05, 2021 10:26 am

VOTE: LLD hey gang we have a whole day to flip real actual scum instead of compromising, how cool would that be

Tue Oct 05, 2021 10:27 am

I'm kinda wondering whether I should out my result lol

Tue Oct 05, 2021 10:29 am

it read fine. Kazyan is a lot harder to read than I think people (self included) ard acknowledging but I feel like I'd want a couple of flips before I went after them.

Navi did like, nothing, and is a nonflip.

Tue Oct 05, 2021 10:30 am

After my interactions with unwnd yesterday I don't feel even remotely tempted to reevaluate him I don't think, lol. MCat could go either way but I still feel like lld/gamma are just 2/2.

Tue Oct 05, 2021 10:31 am

In post 2085, Gorkington wrote:
In post 2082, the worst wrote:I'm kinda wondering whether I should out my result lol
if you can claim something provable and make my brain stop wanting to straight up kill you and unwnd then im not going to complain.

nothing is provable tbh that's the fun of mafia! might I consider we kill some scum first and I'll out when it's optimal?

Tue Oct 05, 2021 10:36 am

In post 2089, Kazyan wrote:
In post 2065, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:ur supposed to kill bad guys

thats how you play mafia

In post 2087, the worst wrote:nothing is provable tbh that's the fun of mafia! might I consider we kill some scum first and I'll out when it's optimal?

Made me laugh out loud. Thanks.

Tue Oct 05, 2021 10:37 am

In post 2091, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2087, the worst wrote:
In post 2085, Gorkington wrote:
In post 2082, the worst wrote:I'm kinda wondering whether I should out my result lol
if you can claim something provable and make my brain stop wanting to straight up kill you and unwnd then im not going to complain.
nothing is provable tbh that's the fun of mafia! might I consider we kill some scum first and I'll out when it's optimal?
“When it’s optimal” had better be this dayphase

why?

Tue Oct 05, 2021 10:41 am

I'll give y'all a teaser. I have something spicy and will need everyone (like literally just LLD/Gamma/maybe pooky) to check in and confirm if they have any information they'd like to out about me first. This is literally a ploy to outplay a guilty claim by caught scum btw so don't out tprs unless you were already planning to.

Tue Oct 05, 2021 10:43 am

In post 2095, Gorkington wrote:why is gamma partnered with lld while we're at it

not gonna dig it up rn but go check when I asked him to elaborate on his LLD + somdone reads he froze started making up nonsense then couldn't go any layers deeper when asked further questions. He's also just :shrug: forgotten oopsie :shrug: to go back to it bc he's focused on tunnelling. He also took ages to commit to this push while LLD was anti-spewing.

They're just icky together!

Tue Oct 05, 2021 10:44 am

ah his house read. that was slimy too but not in a s/s way it just sounds like he found a copy of house's alignment in his breakfast cereal.

Tue Oct 05, 2021 11:00 am

little busy rn so you get my tldr:

LLD's entrance was like super extra bad faith while heavily signalling holistic gamestate-level good faith - it was an entrance designed to look good but it's not an entrance which independently accomplishes anything solvey. I know our blow-up yesterday wasn't ideal (stupid anxiety etc.) but she dismissed all of my issues with her play as non-game related and has been impossibly prickly about her play, without actually coming back and evaluating anything or pushing the game; I think she's banking on the general zeitgeist of scumduck and hoping that just goes through. Her rxn to my claim yday was like so regressive it's clear no earnest thought went into it either lmao.

unwnd town is harder to explain but I feel it in my belly!!! Unwnd is passive this game but like, in a constructive way. I think being this attentive to the thread as scum without committing to hard logical stances is likely to generate a degree of guilt or like, complacency stress for scum!unwnd, and I don't see any of that psychological wear & tear in unwnd's posting. They just read like super super pure over a very long term but they don't feel like they feel the need to take the reigns and to me that's either scum who's just epically satisfied with how the game is going and doesn't feel the need to play in-meta and get shit done, or just town. Also their convo w me yesterday was the first time in this game I've been like fairly confident I was interacting with a townie - was very earnest.

gold star pls

Tue Oct 05, 2021 11:04 am

why navi instead of gamma/lld?

Tue Oct 05, 2021 11:04 am

In post 2106, Gorkington wrote:
In post 2104, the worst wrote:gold star pls

who is even getting first place???? I will defeat them and claim it.

Tue Oct 05, 2021 11:05 am

Gamma & Pooky down, one LLD to go

Tue Oct 05, 2021 11:08 am

Pooky is my 2nd strongest townread I just trust him even less than usual lmao

In post 2112, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 2107, the worst wrote:why navi instead of gamma/lld?
Me? I didn't want to vote gamma, and LLD wasn't a wagon I thought was gonna go through. And unless you think I'm partnered with LLD or gamma here what do you want out of this question?

Don't think you're partnered with either of them. I'm trying to get a better gauge on why I couldn't get LLD's wagon off the ground yday.

Tue Oct 05, 2021 11:10 am

Gorky I'm really worried you didn't read much of my posting late d1. Heavily townreading unwnd and heavily townreading Pooky were like, significant events in my read trajectory.

Tue Oct 05, 2021 11:16 am

I'm not litigating this Gork. Focus on game related stuff.

Tue Oct 05, 2021 11:17 am

We absolutely offended each other, and we can have a conversation around that - she definitely brushed off my concerns with her entrance.

Tue Oct 05, 2021 11:19 am

Irrespective of the tone in which our conversation went down: do you not see that she ignored my actual game related issues with her opening wholesale?

Tue Oct 05, 2021 12:14 pm

I protected unwnd last night lmaoo

Tue Oct 05, 2021 12:42 pm

In post 2147, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 2145, the worst wrote:I protected unwnd last night lmaoo
I'm going to shout this to the heavens, that if anyone has claims that can counter-claim this or provide another reason why someone didn't die, if town, you HAVE to claim it.

Because if we have nothing else in the town, that's 2 confirmed townies and we can do a lot of work from there.

omg she's asking for counterclaims to a softclear while she's under the spotlight

this is literally scum trying to do as much damage as possible while going down holy shit

Tue Oct 05, 2021 12:43 pm

In post 2152, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2145, the worst wrote:I protected unwnd last night lmaoo
Nuh uh. I highly doubt this is real.

i'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt because i am wrong on you before i'm wrong on LLD:

why?

Tue Oct 05, 2021 12:48 pm

In post 2161, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Do you really detest me so much that you're incapable of seeing that this is the literal correct play for town to do in nearly every case?

It has nothing to do with rolefishing, my dude. Not only does this allow us to protect from a gambit by you, it also means we can say "Claim now or forever hold your peace" to a bunch of people and confirm you as town minus a N1 no kill which is... ridiculous, honestly.

very far from detesting you, i actually respect you a lot.

you're correct insofar as we are better off spending this phase treating unwnd as cleared (myself less so but like, I'll take it!).

you're absolutely not correct that it's valuable for people to claim contrary reasons for no kill to have occurred before massclaim. TPRs would be better off collecting at least another night of info before outing imo esp. if we're already treating unwnd as softcleared. we can't remove all ambiguity in this until postgame so i think there's very limited utility in removing a little bit of ambiguity.

Tue Oct 05, 2021 12:48 pm

In post 1044, MURDERCAT wrote:Going to a wedding this weekend, really don't have the time or the energy to fight the wagon. "He's scummy when he's here" and then you just quote my iso with no real reasoning and people hop on like always. Think I'm retired after this game, me getting run up D1 every game is not fun for anyone.

The worst is still town, house maybe scum if Navi town but the vote swap seemed too blatant. Meg most likely scum on my wagon. Gamma ??, Still don't believe that read on me is real

VOTE: Navi

@lld, this i think

Tue Oct 05, 2021 12:49 pm

if MCat is scum i'll admit i'm likely wrong and he's probably partnered with deeper wolves than LLD
gamma is still a decent option

Tue Oct 05, 2021 12:53 pm

... but they explicitly out protective/manipulative TPRs which become more powerful late in the game...?

there's a 0% chance i hardclaim here unless i'd already outed by TPR status.

Tue Oct 05, 2021 12:59 pm

i think paragon is more of a curse than a blessing. heavy is the head, etc. - burden of proficiency remains a logical fallacy.

all the same, yeah MCat is dodging committing to the game and i don't really think his comment about retirement is town indicative at all.

Tue Oct 05, 2021 1:00 pm

In post 2176, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 2171, unwnd wrote:Feeling oddly accomplished with worst saying he saved me and refusing to vote him.

I somewhat have a bad read that Pooky wouldn't kill me because he'd rather fake tunnel me as scum and I was also townreading him. No reason to get rid of me.
I can't believe anyone would kill you tbh lol

counterpoint, you haven't reconsidered a single thing in this game for over a week. if you're town you're a liability.

Tue Oct 05, 2021 1:04 pm

In post 2184, Dannflor wrote:I don't think there's a lot of reconsidering going around in general

Spoiler: dannflor only

where is your head at?

Tue Oct 05, 2021 1:05 pm

[quote="In post 2193, Dannflor"][/quote]
i've written up a fair bit about my decision, waiting for gamma to respond first.

Tue Oct 05, 2021 1:06 pm

In post 2195, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 2182, the worst wrote:counterpoint, you haven't reconsidered a single thing in this game for over a week. if you're town you're a liability.
i've reconsidered lots of stuff

gimme examples. quickly.

Tue Oct 05, 2021 1:06 pm

In post 2198, Dannflor wrote:I kinda think gorkington not dying here further implicates Kazyan town

ough snap this is a good point.

Tue Oct 05, 2021 1:09 pm

In post 2204, Dannflor wrote:house is maybe premature and goes in the pooky tier of like probably town by play but like if they were scum I would just heavily sigh instead of freak out

actually feel exactly the same!!

In post 2205, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 2201, the worst wrote:
In post 2195, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 2182, the worst wrote:counterpoint, you haven't reconsidered a single thing in this game for over a week. if you're town you're a liability.
i've reconsidered lots of stuff
gimme examples. quickly.

well I wanted to kill Kaz at the beginning of yesterday and then I decided I wanted to eat Roast Duck

that was over a week ago. lol.

Tue Oct 05, 2021 1:09 pm

can y'all stop waffling about NK choice while we're waiting on gamma to respond?

Tue Oct 05, 2021 1:10 pm

In post 2152, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2145, the worst wrote:I protected unwnd last night lmaoo
Nuh uh. I highly doubt this is real.

this is his first actual committal take in the entire game and i fully intend to roast him for it

Tue Oct 05, 2021 1:11 pm

In post 2212, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:yea he could just be scum but I dunno I feel like he wouldn't want his last game on the site to be some scum game where he AtEs his way out of an elimination by saying he's going to retire from mafia forever cuz he's tired of being run up.

just please be wary that he's not AtEing here. it's not a situation where he'll retire if he's run up again. it's a situation where he's burned out on mafia and retiring BECAUSE he's sick of it. it's not AtE, it's just personal talk/light OGI.

Tue Oct 05, 2021 1:12 pm

In post 2216, Gorkington wrote:
In post 2211, Dannflor wrote:like unwnd is a fine shot to make if you are very ok with the status quo
it completely ruins the unwnd/worst partner assessment though.
unwnd is easily one of your best miselim options coming into D2.

serious question. how much of the last 48 hours of d1 did you read?

Tue Oct 05, 2021 1:12 pm

In post 2213, the worst wrote:
In post 2152, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2145, the worst wrote:I protected unwnd last night lmaoo
Nuh uh. I highly doubt this is real.
this is his first actual committal take in the entire game and i fully intend to roast him for it

heyo gamma still keen on your thoughts about why this is a thing

Tue Oct 05, 2021 1:14 pm

In post 2225, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 2218, the worst wrote:
In post 2212, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:yea he could just be scum but I dunno I feel like he wouldn't want his last game on the site to be some scum game where he AtEs his way out of an elimination by saying he's going to retire from mafia forever cuz he's tired of being run up.
just please be wary that he's not AtEing here. it's not a situation where he'll retire if he's run up again. it's a situation where he's burned out on mafia and retiring BECAUSE he's sick of it. it's not AtE, it's just personal talk/light OGI.

I mean it sounds ate because the feeling of "i dont want to play this shitty game anymore cuz i keep getting run up on d1" makes more sense from a town perspective than a scum perspective imo

"i'm not enjoying mafia anymore because i'm regularly run up d1" is absolutely not an alignment mindset indicative comment. there's no game-oriented salt in it (scum indicative); there's no game-oriented disappointment in it (town indicative). it's just a meta comment dude.

Tue Oct 05, 2021 1:17 pm

In post 2229, Gorkington wrote:
In post 2220, the worst wrote:serious question. how much of the last 48 hours of d1 did you read?
there wouldnt be a situation where i wouldnt have read everything up to the current point of time before posting content.
why are you even asking this?

because i don't think you have any awareness of how poorly our conversation went, and how well my conversation with unwnd went. the simplest solution would be that you just didn't read my conversation with unwnd!

Tue Oct 05, 2021 1:17 pm

In post 2230, Dannflor wrote:tbh i don't think a wagon is going to make murdercat "come alive" considering his reaction to the last wagon

if he gets back into the game it'll be of his own volition and not because 20+ pages have been generated and suddenly there's a wagon on him

+1

VOTE: Gamma

Tue Oct 05, 2021 1:20 pm

In post 2234, Gorkington wrote:maybe i dont get any AI information from your conversation with someone else just because you felt good about it.
is that not fucking obvious to you or what

that was my second guess but that also accepts that you're missing some context clues which are half the size of the moon.

Tue Oct 05, 2021 1:21 pm

In post 2237, Gamma Emerald wrote:As for why I don’t buy the unwnd protect, it comes to what everyone else said about unwnd not making sense as a shot over players like kazyan or gorkington, plus the way tw built up to claiming it doesn’t feel right

continue: how so?

"what everyone else said" is a non-answer. why do you think that?
why do you think me building up to it that way feels wrong?

Tue Oct 05, 2021 1:22 pm

In post 2240, Gorkington wrote:
In post 2235, unwnd wrote:Gork I gave you response earlier if you want to read that
k.

p-edit: maybe im stupid. feel free to tell me so postgame.

don't think you're stupid. just think this game is pretty sluggish in general and there's a division of people who decided their reads early in the phase & people who decided their reads right at the end of the phase. i'm asking these questions pointedly because i'm trying to make you realise you're in the first category.

Tue Oct 05, 2021 1:23 pm

In post 2245, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 2228, the worst wrote:"i'm not enjoying mafia anymore because i'm regularly run up d1" is absolutely not an alignment mindset indicative comment. there's no game-oriented salt in it (scum indicative); there's no game-oriented disappointment in it (town indicative). it's just a meta comment dude.
I think there's an internalized feeling about whether you
should
be run up or not and I find it unlikely that MC gets the feeling that he
shouldn't
be run up when he actually should be run up.

if he asserted any feelings about this game i'd agree that it's worth having an opinion.

he didn't assert any feelings about this game. he just said he's retiring afterwards.

Tue Oct 05, 2021 1:23 pm

now u see why i want gamma to expand. lol.

Tue Oct 05, 2021 1:27 pm

agree with #2250.

how are you going with the things people actually want you to talk about?

Tue Oct 05, 2021 1:40 pm

removing folks who are a lot more likely to be eliminated than NKed atp {mcat, lld, gamma, megazu, dwlee???} + myself for obvious reasons (also i STILL feel like i kinda fit into the first category a little

)

high nk equity: {unwnd, gork, pooky}
mid nk equity: {dannflor, house}
low nk equity: {kazyan}
between these categories haaallpp: {dwlee}
not NKs (elims): {mcat, lld, gamma, megazu}

of those in the high NK equity box, there's a few reasons i protected unwnd:

an aside:

i will protect gork or pooky 100% of the time if i think they're likely to be NK'd over anyone else. i'd rather clear them than see them die or whatever. but, frankly, i wouldn't shed a tear if either of them flipped. they're both active, and assertive, but they both fit in that earlier category i spoke about earlier where their read baseline formed much earlier in the day. i happen to know that i'm town so i'm aware that there's issues with

shea

the status quo PoE. i'm also noting that if LLD is town, scum are in a wonderful position to coast on the current thread tone and hope things shake out. MCat is similar to Navi. regardless of his alignment, the flip is underwhelming. that said i'd still like to hit scum so like,

.

unwnd

unwnd and I found each other very very late on d1. this creates a couple of problems for scum: not to be too self-serving, but i am both a TPR and my reputation for lategame townplay is like, not bad? if inconsistent. so i'm a very good early miselim! the other side to unwnd finding me is that unwnd showed an ability to reconsider reads in a fairly significant way, and also make decisions which contradict the status quo. this is a sign of a player who is likely to be a long-term problem, if town.

Gorky

assuming he's town: our magnificent and beloved protagonist Gorkington (not ironic, you are great gork) is like. such an obvious nightkill via thread presence that there's no reason any scumteam shoots him unless they don't really believe in their ability to control narrative at any level. there's a few reasons why it's not worth making.
- given he showed signs of enforcing the status quo late d1, removing him means a lower % of living players are enforcing the status quo. a chaotic zeitgeist is scary for scum, and i think gork is currently like.. not predictable exactly? but has a fairly steady read trajectory and is hard to shake.
- if my assumption that i'm a high-equity miselim is correct: he isn't reevaluating his read on me, so removing him would remove another quiet yell of "roast duck!"
- via thread presence he's a rly obvious kill and in a theme that just looks like a magnet for protective roles.

Pooks

pooky is widely townread but fairly unlikely to actually be shot unless scum are just culling the herd. he could fall one bracket, but i spent a bit of time contemplating protecting him, so i've left him where he is. the decision i reached is that he's probably never actually going to be n1'd here because even if his reads *are* good, he has shown no ability to reevaluate. unless he fixes his trajectory fairly soon he's just going to continue to lose credibility. he spent the last few days of d1 drunkenly spamming about roast duck so i don't really think there's any chance he's sitting on some like, epic turnaround which scum didn't see coming.

if you can't work out why a player is in the high NK equity box, read this post again and then dispute it qualitatively rather than throwing questions at me, please. happy to field any other questions.

Tue Oct 05, 2021 1:44 pm

I think I addressed that already - you're only high nk equity if they're calling the herd and you're kinda just widely townread.

Tue Oct 05, 2021 1:47 pm

jeez what. i feel so uncharming in this game.

Tue Oct 05, 2021 2:08 pm

In post 2261, MegAzumarill wrote:Question: Why is a wagon forming on Gamma?

They only want to pile-drive in a poor little defenseless townie?
What's the harm in that?

gamma is an innocent angel.
never much liked angels.

In post 2263, unwnd wrote:Unless I completely read it wrong and you're saying

They as in Gamma only wants to pile-drive a poor defenseless townie

i think it was ironic

Tue Oct 05, 2021 2:31 pm

I think we should just kill scum instead so we never hit ELo

Tue Oct 05, 2021 3:19 pm

In post 2269, Kazyan wrote:Y...Yeah. To clarify, I don't think LLD is actually an intellectually dishonest person, just scum.

kinda same but i'm also starting to wonder if she and i just disagree about a couple of like, more core tenets.
i think it sort of makes sense given she has a tonne more experience than me and more establishment in different eras of meta/different community metas and i just like yelling a lot

Tue Oct 05, 2021 3:28 pm

In post 2266, MegAzumarill wrote:I mean I'm half serious that her biggest read is me as hard scum.

Unlikely for a scum to tunnel vision a townie d1 with no support from allies (that I saw at least)

I'm actually thinking she's town here. Her reasonings seem genuine (although I think incorrect)

snap i misread this as LLD for a minute and i was so, so confused

what about gamma's reads are genuine? lol

Tue Oct 05, 2021 3:57 pm

I thought Wake was scum while I was reading up tbh yhis d1 was super peculiar

I do think Gamma > Megazu > MCat are my elim preferences in that bracket but like, MCat could go either way. so could megazu I guess.

Tue Oct 05, 2021 4:02 pm

MC's irl posts do nothing for me.. He is just frustrated because he needs more of a pass than we're giving him.. Like am I cold or am I missing something specifically juicy about his posting?

Tue Oct 05, 2021 4:03 pm

when I reread it late yday I was like "ah dang when he's available he's trying to solve" and otherwise didn't think twice about his irl busyness I don't think?

Tue Oct 05, 2021 5:05 pm

In post 2284, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 2282, the worst wrote:MC's irl posts do nothing for me.. He is just frustrated because he needs more of a pass than we're giving him.. Like am I cold or am I missing something specifically juicy about his posting?
You really can't search for the difference in intentfulness and tone between someone's frustration?

Like... seriously? I get that theoretically, this is possible for MC. Like, wanting more of a pass is... a way to describe that.

But WHY he wants that pass and the emotional resonance behind that reason, that reflects the alignment.

He's talking about being run up Day 1 (as town) for no reason. That kind of frustration would really boil over. It's hard to have that frustration as scum, and not have it come off as caught for the wrong reasons in an emotional way.

Like... you're not looking for this kind of thing at all?

I am, I'm not seeing it in MCat's posts. I think you're making assumptions about MCat's personality and insinuations about tones in his post which I don't see at all.

Tue Oct 05, 2021 5:33 pm

In post 2291, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 2290, the worst wrote:
In post 2284, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 2282, the worst wrote:MC's irl posts do nothing for me.. He is just frustrated because he needs more of a pass than we're giving him.. Like am I cold or am I missing something specifically juicy about his posting?
You really can't search for the difference in intentfulness and tone between someone's frustration?

Like... seriously? I get that theoretically, this is possible for MC. Like, wanting more of a pass is... a way to describe that.

But WHY he wants that pass and the emotional resonance behind that reason, that reflects the alignment.

He's talking about being run up Day 1 (as town) for no reason. That kind of frustration would really boil over. It's hard to have that frustration as scum, and not have it come off as caught for the wrong reasons in an emotional way.

Like... you're not looking for this kind of thing at all?
I am, I'm not seeing it in MCat's posts. I think you're making assumptions about MCat's personality and insinuations about tones in his post which I don't see at all.
I see them pretty strongly, though I admit I've played with MC quite a bit before so maybe it's just comfort level?

i have a heaps stronger impression of his nature than his playstyle, and he's like, usually pretty chilled (and super super nice) outside of games so i kind of assumed there was a degree of restraint at like, a personality level.

i may also just be completely wrong. but it didn't feel to me like it was super influenced by this game so much as his recent experience in general.

Tue Oct 05, 2021 8:39 pm

they're like, mafia soulmates. it's pretty cool.

Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:10 am

In post 2319, Dannflor wrote:probably the loudest and clearest thing that I remember happening D1 was gorkington pushing Kazyan

I think gorkington's pushes are always going to be given some credence because of the universality of the town reads on him. usually, that means high night kill bait. now he could just be so obvious that scum don't want to risk getting their kill blocked or what have you, but the other explanation is that they are mostly *fine* not killing gorkington because he's wrong on one or more major things. I think the most prolific take he had D1 was kazyan!scum and I think Kazyan is a slot that even if a lot of people town read them right *now*, could come back into question later.

I found Gork quite hard to work with late D1 as well. He'd be an obvious nk but not a good one.

Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:42 am

In post 2324, Kazyan wrote:Does MurderCat/Gamma/Meg make sense as a solve? I'm trying to figure out if a Pooky or House swap-in makes more sense than a team that's constantly bussing each other apparently

kind of imagine me approaching a mic saying "maybe" then leaving

Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:46 am

In post 2327, Dannflor wrote:simplest

this entire post is like fine/10
your tr on me is quite late
I also don't think my LLD csse does much for me anymore

Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:49 am

In post 2329, Gorkington wrote:tw just as an fyi reiterating this thing about me being uncooperative and thus a bad nightkill because im just negative utility for the game is making me feel like checking out. if thats your goal then feel free to keep at it and i guess you get what you wanted from scum last night.

please don't do this, game doesn't have much ogi atm

sorry truth hurts, I don't intend to offend, but like you're getting a lot more honesty than I'd normally bother with just because I probably protected a rly whack nightkill last night.

I think you're a star. You're doing a tonne of good work particularly wrt keeping thread energy high Keepin people talking etc. but ur not perfect. nobody is. I didn't think you were a likely nk bc I didn't find you easy to get through to as someone like unwnd was at EOD. decent chance scum agreed. That's p much all there is to it.

Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:14 am

nope. we can keep this convo game-related so no point OGIing. play the game gamma.

Wed Oct 06, 2021 3:50 pm

fucking lol
VOTE: no elim

Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:01 pm

if we're doing no elim i'm sayin nothin

Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:48 pm

In post 2531, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2528, unwnd wrote:
In post 2527, the worst wrote:fucking lol
VOTE: no elim
More please?
Can we ducking not? I’d like a solid idea of what to do here.

{kazyan,unwnd,me} + lld imo

Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:49 pm

concerned there's no cw. no elim might be town.

Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:33 pm

kinda an awkward1 like i'd rather just have a lim but liek if we're gonna no lim i may as well just obfuscate my updated vibes

Fri Oct 08, 2021 12:58 am

hey town of mini 2241, hope you're all having a lovely day

Fri Oct 08, 2021 1:11 am

I haven't read since my last post, what's happening?

Fri Oct 08, 2021 2:17 am

Is operation no yeet dead?

Fri Oct 08, 2021 3:06 am

Cool
Gamma is scummy as fuck and parity cop is a fucking meme claim and I'll continue to do what a damn well please
all the same, will I policy a claimed guilty against my softclear who we probably need to yeet before endgame?

VOTE: kazyan

Fri Oct 08, 2021 4:11 pm

think House is fine. one of {gamma, kaz} is scum and gamma being alive tonight is goals, so.

Fri Oct 08, 2021 6:37 pm

In post 2820, Gamma Emerald wrote:I could do pooky/house or pooky/gork, tho I kinda prefer pooky/gork

pooky/gork (#pookington) is good

Fri Oct 08, 2021 6:40 pm

I've said too much to no yeet. Kazyan is a peak lim because they probably need to go before endgame anyway and the much info is good. I'll doc Gamma tonight but I'd like him to die, so. not super happy about it.

Fri Oct 08, 2021 11:51 pm

You're my strongest townread I don't have an inno on. Have been for a while. Keep up.

Sat Oct 09, 2021 10:01 am

In post 2840, Dwlee99 wrote:How do people keep coming up with worse and worse ways to use the parity cop?

Anyway, gamma lim or no lim. That's still all I'm doing

This is pretty goofy. There are probs 3 groupscum.

Sat Oct 09, 2021 10:03 am

In post 2841, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:i wub u too duckie

<3

I'm worried I'm reading frustrated this game. Little bit short on time this week so I'm being less approachable than usual, thanks for taking it well.

Tue Oct 12, 2021 3:55 pm

In post 2878, Gamma Emerald wrote:I got no result

VOTE: gamm cya nerd

Tue Oct 12, 2021 3:55 pm

i'm a rolestopper not a doc

Tue Oct 12, 2021 3:58 pm

exactly. so what stopped his result?

Tue Oct 12, 2021 3:59 pm

rolestopper not roleblocker

Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:00 pm

i think it's more likely gamma (objectively very scummy) is just scum and fakeclaiming, than that there's both an ascetic and a rolestopper on one game. you do you tho.

Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:01 pm

In post 3024, unwnd wrote:Worst why were you just afk all of yesterday and why are you not going 'hmm shit LLD was town' at the very least?

busy irl
2 reasons:
- was getting cold feet on lld scumread, i had no idea what she'd flip but her being town doesn't really shock me all that much
- i was more excited to see gamma's result because i had a sneaking suspicion he was just scum fakeclaiming

Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:01 pm

In post 3030, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:duckie why didnt u claim this yestweeday

no point.

Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:02 pm

In post 3029, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 3019, Dannflor wrote:hey so wait if unwnd was rolestopped on the same night gamma investigated unwnd, shouldn't he have gotten no result? why wasn't this outted yesterday?

wait hold on

fucking lol

Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:02 pm

VOTE: Gamma
VOTE: Gamma
VOTE: Gamma
VOTE: Gamma
VOTE: Gamma
VOTE: Gamma
VOTE: Gamma

Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:02 pm

i wasn't really focused yday and didn't make the connection

Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:03 pm

In post 3040, Gorkington wrote:duck if youre town youre a butt for not understanding your own role

yeah but i'm the town's butt!

Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:05 pm

the duality of me like, playing up my overconfident mafia god duck persona while not realising i had a guilty on gamma is my new fav thing
i wish i was playing on wooper rn for the title

Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:06 pm

don't worry, i was sure you were wrong too

Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:07 pm

In post 3055, Dannflor wrote:
In post 3053, the worst wrote:the duality of me like, playing up my overconfident mafia god duck persona while not realising i had a guilty on gamma is my new fav thing
i wish i was playing on wooper rn for the title
do you have any other guilties you're not sharing

i don't think so??? but like potentially anywhere from 0-10

Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:09 pm

unwnd, gork, let's link hands and slay the scums together. dann is honourary invite.

pooky can stand nearby but he's not invited to the friendship circle.

Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:09 pm

nevermind dann's invite is formalised.

Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:10 pm

might be weakly +town to like, me or megazu, but i don't think i'm inclined to read that far into it?

Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:12 pm

i'm @ abt

tw > unwnd
pooky, gork, dann
house
megazu, murdercat
kazyan, dwlee
gamma

Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:13 pm

who wants to hear why i think house is town? it's really funny

Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:15 pm

In post 1825, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1808, the worst wrote:i think gamma just dropped down my readlist because his reads on house & lld are just so epically hard to relate to.
Btw this sounds like a load of shit, pretty sure you had just said “agree to disagree so thinking I’m scum for being out of line with your perspective is miles off from that suggestion and you just wanted an excuse to slide into OMGUS pushing me

In post 3079, House wrote:
In post 3077, the worst wrote:who wants to hear why i think house is town? it's really funny
I'm riveted.

I love hearing people that don't know me theorize about why I'm town or scum.

i thought gamma's reason for townreading you was reeeeeally scummy but that you reacting to me calling him out for townreading you for stupid reasons was towny

Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:15 pm

gamma quote was an accident, i decided too late i couldn't be bothered reconstructing his townread on house

Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:16 pm

aren't we all

Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:16 pm

(mod comms via DM is in the ruleset)

Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:20 pm

In post 3088, Dannflor wrote:i guess my hot take is that meg is probably town

but i guess that's not too hot if people are settling on kazyan/gamma/dwlee

but i want you to know I got there for post game cred!!1!

was kinda thinking the same but i wanted someone else to say it

Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:21 pm

actually i think house might be my wildcard scum

Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:22 pm

that said scum just killed someone who i was struggling to remove from PoE so maybe this is just a blessing

Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:22 pm

straight up i don't think they believed i'd actually target gamma

Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:05 pm

I am literally flabbergasted beyond even guessing what is happening in this setup.

Also think MCat is just scum.
VOTE: MCat

Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:07 pm

I target Dannflor last night so :shrug: at least I get mad cred for my doc skills post-game?

Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:07 pm

I was trying to post I'm mobile with Australian internet and y'all pediting me into hell

Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:09 pm

I literally don't understand. Like I'd have had to be roleblocked n1 but also scum nk failed for another reason and then also blocked n2 for gamma to be blocked and ALSO n3 for dann to be killed or there's some strong-willed shenanigans going on.

Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:13 pm

we can probably lim town today into 4:2 tomorrow, so massclaim like... would tell us whether this is fixable or whether scum just have some super cool powers? but if scum have mad cool powers we likely have like another 1-2 TPRs left (incl. a vig apparently who would be ICable) so outside of vainly trying to save my own ass, i don't really think massclaim is ideal here.

the only thing i've worked out about the setup is not to underestimate shea's ability to torment TPRs.

Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:14 pm

In post 3175, Dwlee99 wrote:Shea says bastard but he just wants to have license to do whatever he wants. He's not lying to players here and certainly not making mod errors

this is where i'm at. i sincerely doubt someone with shea's experience is making errors around what a roleblocker/rolestopper is, ergo fuckery.

Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:15 pm

In post 3184, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:For Duckie to be town we'd need Mafia to have a Roleblocker who stopped him on N1
Another TPR then stopped the kill(wherever it landed)

so we'd have TPRs:

1 Fruit Vendor
1 Role Stopper
1 Kill Stopper(of some sort)
1 Vigilante(of some sort)
1 Parity Cop

Vs

Mafia Ascetic
Mafia Roleblocker
Mafia Goon

seems so? unless scum have a third power role and elected not to kill n1.
coincidentally gamma has now hardcleared unwnd lol

Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:17 pm

In post 3187, Gorkington wrote:okay rephrase
an unstoppable roleblocker targetting gamma would pass through the rolestop
is that not possible?

literally possible. something enabling strong-willed-ness would account for gamma's clear n1 as well, but it's a weird role.

Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:17 pm

In post 3192, unwnd wrote:Duckie claimed rolestopper and then called himself a doctor like a page ago

i literally didn't, i just said my doc accuracy is amazing this game

Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:18 pm

ascetic would be the most obvious answer yeah.

Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:19 pm

In post 3196, unwnd wrote:The reason we killed Gamma is because you said you rolestopped him lol

i did rolestop him

Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:20 pm

In post 3173, unwnd wrote:Duckie give reads or something

If this is just an epic mislim waiting to happen but like

It's not looking good

i'm kinda busy & trying to work other stuff out rn. not going to force it because you'll be about as satisfied as i will pleased i wasted my time!!

we have a fair bit of mech information to work off regardless of my reads rn, and obviously no townie is going to lolhammer me while i'm at work.

Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:22 pm

i need time to solve the game and will not be able to solve the game until i'm not working. :p

Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:23 pm

can everyone find my partner (or ideally, two partnered scum who aren't me

) while i'm at work?

Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:31 pm

First catch is early d1 attention to Pooky then just dunking him into nullreads is something I want to check out more.

In post 1563, Kazyan wrote:VOTE: Lady Lambdadelta

In post 1587, Kazyan wrote:I want to flip LLD over the other viable wagons here because if LLD flips red, then I think that confirms Worst as town. I am convinced that the argument couldn't have been scum theater, if only because TSQ would have vetoed them when they considered in their PT.

This looks like scum watching a tvt fight but I am spoiled in this regard.

Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:31 pm

I suspect as much Gork

Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:34 pm

In post 3218, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 3213, the worst wrote:First catch is early d1 attention to Pooky then just dunking him into nullreads is something I want to check out more.

In post 1563, Kazyan wrote:VOTE: Lady Lambdadelta

In post 1587, Kazyan wrote:I want to flip LLD over the other viable wagons here because if LLD flips red, then I think that confirms Worst as town. I am convinced that the argument couldn't have been scum theater, if only because TSQ would have vetoed them when they considered in their PT.
This looks like scum watching a tvt fight but I am spoiled in this regard.
You know Kazyan is dead right

i'mma let you answer that for urself

Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:40 pm

if gork claims we should literally just massclaim.
actually vig can probably safely just claim vt

Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:44 pm

i'm a vt too

or doc

or rolestopper

i'll tell you postgame

Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:52 pm

i wish i was a scum jailkeeper

D

:

Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:56 pm

dwlee/mcat > megazu > house > pooky > gork > unwnd is the order, i think.
unwnd doesn't actually need to claim & idrm if gork does or not

pedit:

ok fine

Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:58 pm

i'm still town, and that order is still ideal

Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:01 pm

pooky claiming at the end of everyone who should claim would have been ideal to minimise messy claim shenanigans but doesn't really matter. i also don't mind if megazu claims much.

Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:01 pm

In post 3254, unwnd wrote:Murdercat (he)
Dwlee99 (they) - VT
Pookythemagicalbear (he) - VT
Unwnd (he)
MegAzumarill (doesn't care)
House (he) - VT
Gorkington (he) - PR
The Worst (he) - "PR"

Yes MCat should claim next

nice "attitude" with the "quotation marks" coming from someone whose very LIFE i might have maybe saved, "possibly"

Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:03 pm

house doesn't need to react to #3258

Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:05 pm

mcat should certainly claim, but other than that tabling mech talk for tomorrow is fine.

Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:07 pm

think there are 0 scum in {tw, unwnd, gork, megazu}
wildcard 0-1s are {pooky, house}
1-2 are in {mcat, dwlee}

if i had two bullets i'd probably shoot mcat and pooky and cackle maniacally at what i have wrought

Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:08 pm

oh there's also like literally 1 in {mcat, house}. some kind of ascetism or redirection messed with n2 and obviously that was scum if it's not claimed by now.

Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:08 pm

i guess they could be scum together. mm.

pedit: i'm a god at mafia

Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:10 pm

i feel like people will be as sad when i flip as they were when gamma flipped