Mini 2241: The Neighborhood -- ENDGAME

[unwnd]

Question: Why is a wagon forming on Gamma?

They only want to pile-drive in a poor little defenseless townie?
What's the harm in that?

You called Gamma scum multiple times in your ISO?

This doesn't track

[unwnd]

Unless I completely read it wrong and you're saying

They as in Gamma only wants to pile-drive a poor defenseless townie

[unwnd]

I've developed a secret read but don't have the means to pursue it

[unwnd]

I don't think it is

I think that read dies with me or someone picks it up later

[unwnd]

I think I disagree with the way you play mafia unwnd

To each their own. I'm assuming you look at me and go 'why say it' and it's because I want to talk about it but I am fine with the current gamestate. I think I wanna flip Gamma and then I'll lead into my other thought. Maybe you dislike me prioritizing reads in that way.

[unwnd]

I just usually tend towards transparency as town and I find few situations where hiding information actually helps

it's also a little ? that in a situation where you've been targeted for a NK once already presumably that you are willing to risk taking a read you presumably feel good about and that is important enough to talk about to the grave with you

One of them is already being voted. I don't exhale my own fumes and get high off my presence. I'm not really big on herosolves and any time I've made them it's in jest. I also

do

believe in hiding information because I think keeping scum out of the know and being slightly ambiguous in your thoughts makes it so they don't have a directive to latch onto. This is all MD talk though and Cabd has mortally wounded me by calling me a navel gazer before so I won't go further.

[unwnd]

I feel extremely confident that gamma will flip scum.

I would like this to either be shattered into a million pieces or be realized.

Gamma, if you want to contest my view on this then do so at your earliest convenience because these arms were built for shoveling.

[unwnd]

..You didn't claim this the moment tw claimed a protect on me?

[unwnd]

I think if I'm lead to believe you that Kaz being unaligned with me signals a lot

But your claim is so rushed and not well-thought on lol

[unwnd]

I'm still on this and I think the claim sucks.

I will absolutely stake a poorly thought cop claim in this situation. Literally Notty claimed fakeclaimed cop and got away because of it.

[unwnd]

I am obnoxiously confident Gamma is flipping scum.

I will make it an obnoxious point if I have to.

[unwnd]

Cop and doctor combo is too fucking broken anyways? Especially if neither is gated. The setup just becomes follow the Doc/Cop barring a roleblocker in there, but even then the cop is guaranteed a second result which is very powerful.

[unwnd]

And parity cop is

especially

powerful. It's not only one clear but two! If Me/Kaz are unaligned and you flip kaz that means I'm confirmed town. An ungated parity cop could effectively clear 3-4 in two actions, and he's not even claiming to be X-shot.

Murder this.

[unwnd]

No point, he claims roleblocked every time. If a parity cop really exists there must be a counter to it.

[unwnd]

...There wasn't a kill last night.

[unwnd]

Nobody is claiming a town roleblock either which is pretty close to a guilty either way. Nobody can contested worst's claim.

[unwnd]

im p dizzy from following unwnd from doc/cop combo = broken to the scum must have a roleblocker to gamma will claim roleblocked every time

Parity cop is too strong to not have a counter and there's no way I let a parity cop have free reign during the night

[unwnd]

...There wasn't a kill last night.

could just be no-kill

Asking the mod because I've always thought kills are compulsive.

[unwnd]

Name completed mafia games where scum have opted for a no kill or explicitly are given the option to.

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=84523

That game had a roleblocker in it too lol.

[unwnd]

I mean

If Gamma is and Worst did no kill then you 2-2 trade in this instance?

Not only that, but in a hypothetical scenario where Kaz/Me aren't aligned

If you flip me (Don't), Kaz is scum. Then you could vote worst who fake no-killed. That's 2 scum down in a likely 3 pairing.

[unwnd]

I don't really want to vote Kaz.

Another fucking game where someone goes hurrr I'm a cop and I get cockblocked.

[unwnd]

YOU WERE IN BLOODSTAINED POOKY

YES YOU WERE SCUM BUT NOTTY LITERALLY CLAIMED COP AND EVERYONE WAS LIKE JEE MUST BE REAL

I'M TIRED OF THIS

YOU WANTED FIRE YOU GET IT

FUCKING KILL GAMMA AND BLAME ME IF IM WRONG

I HATE THIS

[unwnd]

I really really really really really really doubt that Gamma is real but if you want to kill Kaz I'll warm up my crow in the oven.

[unwnd]

P.S

I will not vote Kaz.

You will have to do it yourself.

Gamma is scum and I die on this.

[unwnd]

Maybe on D1 but he sunk and I caught not only him but Cephrir

Like fuck

[unwnd]

I'm annoyed

Just whatever kill Kaz me kill Me I don't fucking care I'd rather sink with my laurels and learn something then hurrr claimed cop

[unwnd]

Or just don't even try to figure out my alignment and claim a half-hearted result without engaging me in any significant way when I pretty much have been claimnoring for your death and if I'm a parity cop I would be trying to suss out my two targets to see which is the one more likely to be scum but sure your cute little 'then perish' must suffice in your mind

[unwnd]

I think we need TW to claim if he is JK or not because if yes we kill unwnd

TW claimed doctor

Didn't you townread me anyways? What

[unwnd]

i wanna hear from everyone else if they believe this gamma claim and how they want to proceed

its day 2, 12 alive

calm your ass down we're not on the verge of getting reamed

I'm just not about it and I'm petty and personal when I feel strongly about something

[unwnd]

OK stepping back.

I don't believe Gamma a single fucking second.

Please kill him. He flips scum.

If he doesn't flip scum, then I gracefully take the proverbial L.

[unwnd]

Flipping Kaz proves nothing if he flips green. If he flips red, then cool. Gamma is real and I eat crow. However, if he flips green then Gamma can just go 'see I told you it's unwnd!' but like the same circumstance can happen if you were to eliminate me. It's just a shoddy claim and I kind of(?) get why Dwlee wanted to eliminate outside but yes it is quite useless in the scheme of things.

[unwnd]

I stopped paying attention after I was N1'd

I'm not sure what the solution is here?

[unwnd]

Oh wait I do remember this

I get why you want to keep us 3 off the table but that seems inevitable.

[unwnd]

I don't feel good about flipping Kaz.

I don't know.

[unwnd]

What would no lim accomplish?

[unwnd]

VOTE: No Lim

I'm fine with this.

[unwnd]

If you are real, please check between LLD and Worst.

If Worst is confirmed town, then that means his protect was real.

Having LLD cleared would give my great relief.

[unwnd]

If Worst eats a bullet then LLD is just double confirmed town and that clears me as well which makes it automatically Kaz, Dwlee.

[unwnd]

That's the perfect check. It's confirmed results.

They can't kill worst if you're checking them because it clears LLD.

[unwnd]

Or, it condemns LLD as you'll have a confirmed parity cop between the two.

[unwnd]

I support The Worst and I being the choice.

Do you believe Gamma's claim? Would love your thoughts.

[unwnd]

I guess but I'd love to see resolution in the 3 of Me/LLD/Worst way more lol.

[unwnd]

fucking lol
VOTE: no elim

More please?

[unwnd]

Grumble grumble

I really just want to vote Gamma. I'm decently consistent on reading him as both alignments and I was writing up some huge meta case about it, but then decided I'd rather not do that.

[unwnd]

I'm not sure if I see Kaz as scum. Results are great and all, but that seemed to be a consensus up until now. Nobody was scumreading Kaz so either Kaz is a godlike D1 scum player secretly (see: Dann/Pooky/Myself/TW all townreading Kaz) or he's just town.

The only thing I could be slightly paranoid about is their weird 'pooky is SK' comments and then irony they are third-party

[unwnd]

it probably doesnt make you feel better, but gamma is really self resolving and if he is mafia he doesnt really have much space to work with here.
especially since i think we're probably going to end up limming outside the three of you if we arent no-limming, which is probably not what he would have wanted if he picked the two of you hoping to get two town miselims in a row.

If we're eliminating outside of us 3 I would probably vote Meg.

[unwnd]

People don't seem interested in MCat so I'm giving that up. That also annoys me when I drop a wall on someone and people are like 'idk if we vote him it's not gonna matter'

Like yeah MCat came back but it was just idle commenting and checkup on the situation

It didn't flip my read at all

[unwnd]

I mean yeah basically, but that whole post was relevant to MCat but also slightly tieing into Gamma as well.

It's not worth trying to rehash my gut feelings though

[unwnd]

i dont really think its convincing to think that when murder comes back to the thread after that last frustration post hes going to be in the same frame of mind and has to continue being defeatist.
i also think that holding someone to paragon standards is like classically a demotivating move (see: how everyone treated spiff after he won it, i havent actually clarified with him on this ever, but it generally seemed like he was run into the ground for not solving the game every single time he rolled town and didnt bring his A-game).

murder has been in this kind of place since at least team mafia and likely before then.
he could just be mafia struggling to find a place while also being in that energy. i would just need more in terms of evidence than just "hes not playing to my expectations" because he doesnt really seem like hes playing to that expectation in general lately because he isnt as interested in mafia right now or is too busy?

if you think his tone seems too flat for him to be town then could try to pull specific offending posts that i could try to look at to see if i feel the same way?

I think it's sensible but I would prefer some kind of candid response from MCat himself. I mean, he can even bring about some gripes if I'm just defiling his good name. I just want to see even something like a readlist or something that brings me up to date on his mindset.

[unwnd]

unwnd to be honest I find it a little disturbing that you are making such a show out of not revaluating gamma/kazyan

I'm not saying you should be reevaluating but the whole "I will die on this gamma hill" and "wow kazyan must be godlike scum if they are scum" feels... performative

It was exaggeration for effect when it came to Kaz. I don't really see a hypothetical town consisting of the names listed having them as top town altogether

[unwnd]

idk if people paid attention to my game in team mafia
but.
remember zaiden?
i dont really trust people to parse a player when they turn their brains off when it comes to them acting weirdly.

oh snap hi cheeeeet! :3

hi pooky sorry for taking my skin off this game i just wanted to try something different (:

I called Zaiden scum that game and told Maria to write a wall about him and

nobody

believed me

[unwnd]

If I absolutely no choice eating crow morning lunch and dinner option

I would vote Kaz because I strongly believe in resolving in us 3

[unwnd]

i thought zaiden was scum up until he wrote a big essay about how i was a trash person and i wanted to believe that mafia wouldnt do that just because they were fragile about being scumread but here we are.

p-edit: i mean i think its just optimal to flip someone else and see what happens with gamma?
are you confident in your ability to hunt for partners? treat gamma as a confirmed scumflip and who is a likely partner in your pool?

See: secret read. I just need to confirm his flip before I go hard. I know it's not helpful to say (secret read) but yeah this is just how I play. My answer remains the same for who we're voting if not in us 3 which is Meg.

[unwnd]

I really don't think Kaz is scum and that's another why I think Gamma is full of it.

[unwnd]

Yes but if my intuition is right on Kaz all Gamma will do is go 'see I told you unwnd is scum' and claim roleblock.

I have ESP.

[unwnd]

Why the fuck does Gamma want a no lim honestly? Like, it makes sense for me. It doesn't make sense for him.

You have results between two players. I was fine with the spiel of 'no ur scum' towards me but even if you can't get me like. Choose the 2nd option? Confirm your results especially on evens.

[unwnd]

Duckie I don't want you to be silent here.

Do you still think it's Gamma/LLD? That was your main push D1.

[unwnd]

Kaz have you ever rolled scum once. I feel like I asked this before.

[unwnd]

I found it.

I don't like assuming people are in a box and can't develop, but from my perspective Kaz has more experience being town. They only have one game as scum and looking at that ISO compared to this one is vastly different.

[unwnd]

I am like.

1000% Confident that Kaz is not scum.

They're beaming me if they are.

I know I am town.

Gamma must be lying.

[unwnd]

They only have one game as scum and looking at that ISO compared to this one is vastly different.

can you articulate this in more depth?

I will try to do to the best of my ability just because you asked.

[unwnd]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

Here's Kaz ISO in their one scumgame. I'm going to use a trick Pooky does which is screenshotting posts directly to prove my point.

Something I often look for in people is early engagement. I am a huge advocator that RVS and earlygame ends up to be really important because scum is the most unguarded during that phase. They are more likely to slip up whether it be tonally or informative. Kaz's starting ISO in that game looks like this:

Spoiler:

The leadoff is less inquisitive and more operational. Kaz is working

around

the room instead of diving head first into the game. Compare this to their beginning movement in this game:

Spoiler:

Headstart. Right into it. Immediately inquisitive and curious. No fluffy engagements or anything. Kaz was so absurd that it rubbed me wrong but even in this small window you can see how they don't seem like someone who

knows

the alignment of Pooky. Kaz acted the way they did in newbie because they knew Skitter was town and merely tried to seem inoffensive. Here? Kaz is not afraid of their own audacious behavior.

I understand this is somewhat brief. I understand that yes, people can change. Maybe Kaz has improved since then and has become self-aware of their own town meta. Rolling town a lot you can take something from it and then attempt to replicate it. I really doubt that though, and I'd rather be fooled be an imrpoved Kaz then doubt that they're just town signaling behavior that fits.

[unwnd]

I choose to believe my reads than mechanical wash any day of the week.

I think Kaz is town and I will not vote them.

[unwnd]

Thunderdome.

Me or Gamma. I literally don't care.

If it's all in vain then I have a lot I can take in later. I think Kaz is town and Gamma is fake.

VOTE: Gamma

[unwnd]

LLD please for the love of god trust me.

[unwnd]

I will not turn

I cannot learn anything by doubt

I'm not trying to blind either, I just feel strongly about this

[unwnd]

Pooks let me be wrong or let me obnoxiously right and I live off my ego for 2 more years.

Or I'm just washed now.

Either one is epic.

[unwnd]

Poooooky.

[unwnd]

Pooks let me be wrong or let me obnoxiously right and I live off my ego for 2 more years.

Or I'm just washed now.

Either one is epic.

You know I still have 0 idea who you are right.

Like none.

You can know me as the man who was either wrong in Mini 2241 or right in Mini 2241

What matters is now

[unwnd]

i mean i think enough people want gamma dead that you can get him dead without my vote.

but im just unable to vote for something i dont believe in rn :<

I respect it

[unwnd]

I understand this is somewhat brief. I understand that yes, people can change. Maybe Kaz has improved since then and has become self-aware of their own town meta. Rolling town a lot you can take something from it and then attempt to replicate it. I really doubt that though, and I'd rather be fooled be an imrpoved Kaz then doubt that they're just town signaling behavior that fits.

can you side by side compare kaz's pushes in a towngame to their pushes in a scumgame and really think about whether one is more similar to here?
i get that your argument is that earlygame is a strong indicator of alignment, but i do think that theres a discernable absence of genuine feel from kazyan's scumgame in terms of how they pushed votes vs their towngame and i was reminded a lot more of their scumgame in that capacity here.

Yeah I'll go look at it.

[unwnd]

I just look at the newbie game and see so much that my brain says 'this is not even remotely similar to Kaz in this game' and I would feel way more awful ejecting a townie (see: I literally thought Navi was town and vanity voted) than being beamed.

[unwnd]

The reevaluation is a bit startling though. I do see that point because Kaz has to think either

1) Gamma is lying
2) I'm clearly scum and cause they're town

[unwnd]

VOTE: Gamma (E-1, I think)

I know TSQ doesn't do the "conventional game balance" thing but I'm pretty sure he knows about Follow the Cop.

I think this is just a sacrifice to break up the townblock.

UNVOTE:

There's something I need to think through; there might be a mechanical solve if all of these associatives are correct

Nevermind, Kaz does think Gamma is lying but unvoted for mech solve?

[unwnd]

There's just something I see in that game in comparison to this one. Also? Other games where Kaz is town. It's not like I'm exclusively comparing the two. I've been town with Kaz before yknow?

[unwnd]

Rest assured I'm doing that mentally, but sometimes my mental notes are harder to write on paper. That's why sometimes I just go 'it's gut'

The process is absolutely there though and I'm trying to show you it.

[unwnd]

No I saw it, the point I was looking for is whether or not they reevaled me based on your claim, and it seems they believe you're lying

[unwnd]

Kaz give me a 'why I am not scum and why you still think I'm town' stream of consciousness wall of sorts as I look at NQN.

[unwnd]

The part where they said 'I think this is just to break up the townblock' implies they think I'm town, yeah?

[unwnd]

I looked at NQN and see strong similarities to behavior and play to this game.

Kaz either beefed up and became self-aware or this is just another town Kaz game.

I accept the beaming.

[unwnd]

If I go

'Wait..Kaz might be scum!' And then I vote Kaz and he flips green? I learn something yeah. But I'm also going against myself and I already did that somewhat with Navi.

[unwnd]

Kaz give me a 'why I am not scum and why you still think I'm town' stream of consciousness wall of sorts as I look at NQN.

So that's the thing, I can't actually be sure that you're town; I've been thinking that late-night solving session you had with The Worst reminded me exactly of what northsidegal did in Mini 2187 but I don't have ~mechanical confirmation~ of anything. There was a sort of aloofness you had on Day 1 that made me worry somewhat. But the whole "I have a bad feeling about voting for Kaz here" routine actually indicates to me that you've grown stronger reads as the game progressed and your "I am low-braining this game because I just got done with a hard one" schtick seems to be wearing off naturally as the IRL days go by, right?

It's not that I think specifically that you're town, I just hate the idea of a Parity Cop claim in a Mini where there's an outed protective role and a strong townblock going. It just screams "two free miselims that I can't get otherwise" to me.

Please know that you are literally fucking fooling the pants off of me right now if you're scum, so that you can consider this retribution for Mini 2187 if we're opposite alignments.

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Kaz If I'm town then Gamma is obviously fake right? Who's their partner?

You're still with that? Why did you choose to no lim? If Gamma is real why let him get another 'result'?

[unwnd]

Deep sigh

I understand. Let's..vote outside the 3 of us then? VCA wins games.

[unwnd]

VOTE: Megazumarill

Wouild be my vote. I don't really wanna no lim.

[unwnd]

You're back on Pooky? Why?

[unwnd]

Could you elaborate your feelings further? Don't worry about cohesiveness. What I'm looking for is if your thoughts are genuine or track based on your own progression.

[unwnd]

I don't think this will flip scum.

[unwnd]

But I don't want this day to continue to stagnate so I'm going against myself...again.

VOTE: Kazyan

Let's see if I'm proven wrong!

[unwnd]

I'd like to believe I am!

[unwnd]

There's a guilty on Kaz, if all claims are to be believed, between a parity cop between Unwnd/Kaz and The Worst's town clear on Unwnd via doctor protection.

Remember that Gamma claimed Parity Cop only

after

the protective claim, and at E-1 to boot. If it were claimed beforehand, it wouldn't clearly be an >80% chance to break up the townblock. Free miselim on me and "PoE" miselim on unwnd.

I mean no offence to unwnd here, but you'd have to believe that unwnd is so important to the gamestate on Night 1 that he'd be targeted by the Mafia, a protective, and a Parity Cop all in one night.

To my credit, two mafia factions targeted me N1 in dogs v cats

[unwnd]

Anyways I've decided I hate my own vote and while I'm annoyed by lack of progress I'm not going against my own read.

VOTE: Meg

[unwnd]

That's... over a month away...

Canada

[unwnd]

VOTE: No Lim

[unwnd]

Something is not right

[unwnd]

I no longer trust duckie

[unwnd]

Can my town please be more active because I'm starting to believe that's just what is happening here

[unwnd]

Is that true? That doesn't feel true.

[unwnd]

Still doesn't seem true. I respect people taking the chance to be wrong. We don't learn shit idly holding to our thoughts. There's no award for person who had reads but chose to do nothing about them

Especially if town

[unwnd]

Doesn't matter to me. You can win games purely by being townie and leaving scum out of the picture. A lot of people are not being townie or are even afraid to. What am I supposed to believe then?

[unwnd]

Gamma claims roleblocked Nine times out of Ten

If not, I'll be impressed

[unwnd]

I have a vote I want to make but I guess I'll wait for Gamma too

[unwnd]

I wanted to vote Dwlee because their ISO was shockingly unimpressive and the only thing they've done is state the obvious and be disinterested

[unwnd]

Go look at it Pooky

[unwnd]

I'm fine with killing him, but there's still something wrong

I'm multi-faceted, I don't just think about one objective

[unwnd]

Wow, such shock, very cool. VOTE: Gamma Emerald

I wanted to vote Dwlee because their ISO was shockingly unimpressive and the only thing they've done is state the obvious and be disinterested

Then...why not vote?

Because Worst/Gamma is the likely resolve here and I don't really trust Duckie from the fact he isn't dead

And I don't think that's a big brain worst-can-still-be-limmed play from scum. lol

[unwnd]

You kill the doctor here everytime.

Why is worst not dead?

[unwnd]

Did they think killing worst would clear me and they couldn't push Kaz? Lol. Gamma came in with no result.

[unwnd]

so do you want roast duck today

There are 3 groupscum

Gamma/Worst thinking it's a novel idea to no-kill and then have Gamma get run up and claim parity cop directly on the person you're trying to fake a doc on is..highly unlikely. and stupid. That's 2 down for a hail mary play that gets resolved everytime

[unwnd]

If the scum is just brain afk I don't know what to say lol.

I guess we can keep killing Gamma, just

Hives from the fact Duckie is still alive and LLD died.

[unwnd]

VOTE: Gamma

[unwnd]

Even if they were afraid of me being clear?

Gamma could just go 'aha! It was Kaz the whole time!' and he gets another day to be a scumlord. Why is duckie alive. Why is duckie alive.

[unwnd]

That's..true?

But if I'm scum and I know the save is real then kill the source because that's two clears?

[unwnd]

Countdown to deadline: 7 days, 20 hours, 17 minutes

Countdown to deadline: 0 days, 23 hours, 13 minutes

Uh.

[unwnd]

Did someone just speed up the deadline?

[unwnd]

Gamma you have my word that I will turbo eliminate Kazyan/Worst if you flip green. That's a boring outcome, but we stay winning.

[unwnd]

I'm not comfortable with it either, but in my mind Worst/Gamma has to have one

[unwnd]

I thought Kaz was town and I'm not sure if I'm ready to give that up

I guess that's affecting me as well

[unwnd]

I think if there was somewhere I wanted to be wrong I guess it would be on Kaz

[unwnd]

And if Kaz flips scum then like cool I'm cleared and I've been wrong on Gamma the whole time

I guess that begs the question why we didn't do this yesterday but

Whatever

[unwnd]

Well shit

Duckie you scared me

[unwnd]

hey so wait if unwnd was rolestopped on the same night gamma investigated unwnd, shouldn't he have gotten no result? why wasn't this outted yesterday?

Oh nevermind you're scaring me again

[unwnd]

Worst why were you just afk all of yesterday and why are you not going 'hmm shit LLD was town' at the very least?

[unwnd]

I think Dannflor's thing still applies

You could've just claimed rolestopper and saved us a no lim??

[unwnd]

I kind of think duckie is derping as town here

I hope?

No gotchas? I don't need egg on my face

[unwnd]

But damn that made the no lim completely fucking worthless

[unwnd]

At this point gamma dies and and if duckie botched his epic fakeclaim play then we lim him then you lim in me/kaz and that's two scum down

I really just want to think that a 2 man trade is not worth it unless the 3rd scum is deeply fucking embedded, yknow?

[unwnd]

So like

Can we kill Dwlee after

I think they're scum

[unwnd]

Gork I accept no self-loathing

D1 is hard

It's about the outcome that matters

[unwnd]

process > outcome

Wym

[unwnd]

It could maybe? Did gamma refuse to vote Kaz? If yes, then probably

[unwnd]

Gamma/Kaz/Dwlee

I've solved this game it was all me

Superstar

[unwnd]

Uhh duckie

[unwnd]

Did you really just trade 2/2 trade to kill off the parity cop?

[unwnd]

I..kind of want to wait for an explanation but lol

[unwnd]

Kaz ya got me

We're even now

[unwnd]

I mean to be fair I was being like It's Kaz/Gamma/Dwlee but eh

Yes I agree btw

Duckie please god explain? I'm pretty much at 'kill duck if he says NOTHING' but we can hunt elsewhere

[unwnd]

Gork do you feel validated that your reads weren't actually bad

[unwnd]

I'm humbled by my own misdirection

It's on me being so wrongly convinced of Gamma for nyeh meta reasons

pedit- What do you think of a Dwlee vote

[unwnd]

I like that post House

Surely I can't be wrong twice!

[unwnd]

It's about 24 hours before the deadline and I'm seeing:

no, you're scum

no, you're scum

no,

you're

scum

no,

you're

scum

NO YOU'RE SCUM

NO YOU'RE SCUM

Both of you put a cork in it and come get on the Navi wagon. LLD, go bus your partner. The Worst, vote to live.

This is basically where I am for the possible eliminations.

Dwlee:

No. Still townleaning. I checked Dwlee's ISO for a particular tell that they've done in both of their scumgames that I was in, and I didn't find it even though there were plenty of chances with LLD. I'm not gonna say what it is because then they won't do it for sure

Navi:

Let's do this one tbh. VOTE: Navi. There's a different tell that I've taken the name from Anya, I think--"promising presents and not delivering presents". You say you're gonna do a game-engagement thing and then don't do the game-engagement thing, which is how scum look like they're participating without actually doing so. Navi mentioned trying to catch up and still has still not caught up, without saying anything of substance beyond the "epic smelly" post.

Gork has some similar things to say about not showing the enthusiasm that comes with loosening the shackles of post restriction and basically I'm drinking all of his tea and asking for seconds

MCat:

Third choice. This is a lurk slot. All else being equal, get rid of those, but I look at MC's questions and don't feel any malicious intent. Kill this slot dead if it's still lurking on Day 2 but I don't think an MCat flip would actually tell us about the gamestate on Day 1; everyone else has spewed associations

I can't in good conscience kill a lurkslot for lurking during a V/LA, either

The Worst:

Let's not. Did you read that discussion with unwnd and The Worst, after Pooky stopped spamming? They were vomiting green all over the pavement trying to get into each other's heads.

This is kind of a logically-complicated slot, statistically. TW isn't flipping red here but if she does, LLD is basically clear. If she doesn't then Pooky gets to drink elimination juice tomorrow, and while that would be objectively funny and cool, I'm not going to vote off a big townread just to make that happen

LLD:

Let's do this one if we can't have Navi. If we're going with the out-of-game argument being just that, non-game-related, then it was a big nothingburger of noise that attacked a townread of mine. If this slot flips red, we get a clean duck

and

barbecued bear

Kaz went from 'Worst is spewing green all over the pavement with unwnd' to 'bus your partner, LLD'

lol

[unwnd]

First quote happens after second

Unordered but point still made

[unwnd]

i should probly solve for the last one while im still alive

Don't make posts like these

[unwnd]

Pooky of all people caring to fucking solve?

[unwnd]

Anyways I give Duckie some time to explain why it is not him

And I'll look at Kaz' ISO a bit more later

[unwnd]

Wait pooky you're not supposed to agree with me fuck u

[unwnd]

i knew all the evil people who tried to stop me from getting my just roast duck dinner day 1 were baddies

?

[unwnd]

I 180 hard defended duck over dumbshit meta

Let this be a hard lesson

Don't go digging into other games gloriously convinced that seeing things in those games applies to the ones you're in now.

[unwnd]

I think that's too far back to be relevant

[unwnd]

In some crazy ass topsy-turvy world

Duckie can still be town

Unlikely, but possible

Bare in mind the fact we were all 'oh yeah it is Gamma' with our last day and then it wasn't

[unwnd]

Duckie please explain the blood on your feathers

Say it ain't so

[unwnd]

In some crazy ass topsy-turvy world

Duckie can still be town

Unlikely, but possible

Bare in mind the fact we were all 'oh yeah it is Gamma' with our last day and then it wasn't

i mean that was cuz duckie kamikazed him no

True but it was fun while it lasted

[unwnd]

Duckie give reads or something

If this is just an epic mislim waiting to happen but like

It's not looking good

[unwnd]

Why doesn't duckie go bwahahaha I got the parity cop killed and self-vote

Maybe he is that prideful

No duckie reads not mechanics

[unwnd]

You killed dannflor because I'm a fucking goober I get it man

[unwnd]

Duckie give reads not mechanics

[unwnd]

Duckie claimed rolestopper and then called himself a doctor like a page ago

[unwnd]

The reason we killed Gamma is because you said you rolestopped him lol

[unwnd]

Duckie

Reads

Not

Mechanics

[unwnd]

You know

I do want a massclaim

Mostly because if Duckie wants to play that angle I'd like to make sense of everything and have him be mechanically fucked

Or force scum to make a move to save him

[unwnd]

I do believe the game has been going on long enough to warrant it and I'm not really fearful of giving scum info

Given that if it's just Duckie that just means one scum anyways

[unwnd]

I don't really think we should just roll things back and pretend you didn't claim and hint

As pooky said it's one day before mylo

Let's just get all the mech out of the way

[unwnd]

Gork doesn't need to hardclaim though

Other people should claim

I don't care about order

[unwnd]

Murdercat (he)
Dwlee99 (they) - VT
Pookythemagicalbear (he) - VT
Unwnd (he)
MegAzumarill (doesn't care)
House (he) - VT
Gorkington (he) - PR
The Worst (he) - "PR"

Yes MCat should claim next

[unwnd]

I'm only participating in the mass claim if we popcorn.

Sorry not sorry.

Pretty much everyone else has claimed and I thought you did? Just gonna assume if you're taking offense you're not VT and we should move on

[unwnd]

Would like claims first

MCat in particular

Meg then

I have a feeling I will dissappointed

[unwnd]

Too much is out now, there's really no point

I'm pretty sure scum is just gonna claim 'lol im VT' right now regardless

[unwnd]

Severe lack of anything

We're not just going to idle until deadline right?

[unwnd]

I really wanted MCat's claim but we'll probably default to voting duckie, yeah

[unwnd]

Not dwlee?

[unwnd]

I've had that problem with them for a good while, yeah

[unwnd]

I don't really wanna rush and I want a claim from MCat