Mini Normal 2242 | Opossum Mafia | Game Over!

[Dwlee99]

Meta bad but in this case meta good

[Dwlee99]

So where were we

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From what

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I need to do some reeval but exam tomorrow etc.

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I will consider that on my reeval

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where's math
where are peopleeeeeeeeee
i mean it is4 am

Don't you have school

Can you clarify your STD read now cause my previous solve has me sheeping that but I need convincing

[Dwlee99]

If you think zen is traitor you should probably kill other people first depending on how confident you are on traitor vs groupscum

[Dwlee99]

t3, who wolf

zen traitor
dwlee wolf
one wolf in you math

Bruh

I'm like half the reason you're alive rn arguing that your role makes you town here

[Dwlee99]

t3, who wolf

zen traitor
dwlee wolf
one wolf in you math

Bruh

I'm like half the reason you're alive rn arguing that your role makes you town here

It statistically doesn't really matter what's said on today + pocketing exists

Yea except I'm the one that turned the tide on the consensus view of your slot

[Dwlee99]

Scum!me would have had a much easier time going "yea t3 still scummy" and keeping you as a mislim

[Dwlee99]

Three was universally townread so I'm unsure how much it plays into Jacket's alignment. They were fighting for reasons I no longer completely remember. I think Jacket was planning to snap vote in ELO and then three was mad about it. Reads list will come after I get more time. I have an exam tonight I've been studying all week for and haven't had the spoons to tackle this game

[Dwlee99]

Math I don't think I've EVER seen that happen

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I don't feel like talking about it

[Dwlee99]

No more house paranoia

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I am not convinced on zen traitor no

[Dwlee99]

I've seen wackier tbh

[Dwlee99]

I saw two town role cops in a hood once

[Dwlee99]

Okay given there is a traitor maybe not

I thought zen was townie before he dipped from the thread for ages. I don't really have updated thoughts cause it feels so long ago now

[Dwlee99]

did you... not think of that until now?

anyway, i'm not that sure on how to rank std and t3
skimmed a bit of their isos and i want to swap them again, um

math?
wanna read t3?

Did I not think that maybe 5 prs is too many for a game with a traitor? A little bit, but like I've seen extremely town-sided setups so I wouldn't be that shocked if something similar happened here

[Dwlee99]

Setup

Mafia Mailman
Mafia Combined Rolecop Voyeur
Mafia Bulletproof Ascetic
Town Novice Traffic Analyst
Town One-shot Cop
Town Simple Jailkeeper Neighbor
Town Neighbor
Town Compulsive JOAT (Neighborize, Complex Rolecop, Lazy Roleblock)
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

I just ran this setup. I think this is a balanced game. Here if all 5 pr claims are town we have an informed mailman, two 1-shot bp neighbors, a complex vigilante, and an odd-night invest even-night useless.

Depending on scum power I think this is pretty balanced. Scum seem to have a roleblocker to deal with investigative claims, and a vigilante is functionally a conftown here. So why would this not be balanced compared to the game I ran, depending on how much power scum gets.

[Dwlee99]

I'm going to claim. I'm an Informed Townie. I know there is a Bulletproof Mafia Traitor in the game. I think the quotes below are Redtea signalling to the rest of the mafia that they are said traitor, partly given it was a really weird out-on-a-limb connection to make in the context of the discussion to that point, and partly because there are very few reasons to make such an effort to hint that you are mafia-aligned, other than being the mafia traitor.

(Translator's Note: gay means mafia-aligned)

im gay

VOTE: redtea

I could be wrong, but there's nothing really lost by me claiming anyway as that's my only power.

[Dwlee99]

I've been ninja

[Dwlee99]

Wasn't cool cookie informed mailman town? Did you miswrite that?

The top list is from a recently ended game I modded not this one. Not sure why you stopped reading there and didn't notice the lack of a traitor or the rolecop voyeur etc

[Dwlee99]

If t3 is town then scum have a roleblocker so they wouldn't care about him

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T3 still hasn't said why he was withholding N1 info. He withheld being roleblocked and messaged by mailman for no reason. Why exactly was that?

I think he withheld the info cause he was crumbing it to cookie (crumb, cookie, nice) based on whatever the mail he got said

[Dwlee99]

what a beautiful morning

insert fake vote on zen

now what if...
hmmm.

dwlee, what's your read on jacket?

Well I think t3 and Mathblade are just town. That leaves room for only one town in the rest of y'all. Jacket and Zen doesn't seem SvS and neither does your push on Zen, which by associatives makes me think that zen just has to be town. Koba would kill me for this but I think mech says zen is town here as well. Math, t3, what convinced y'all to fake vote zen? Do you think he is traitor or group scum?

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I figure that scum would be trying to win here not kill their traitor. I guess cause they don't know who it is they might be willing to take a gamble that pushing zen as traitor is fine cause they might be wrong about who traitor is

Jacket and Zen doesn't feel SvS because Jacket is hard pushing here. But if zen is traitor it's possible sure

I'll think about it more and get back to you. I want to review why a50 townread zen so hard

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So, if you think T3 and mathblade are town, Zen shaded an all-town wagon saying it "has" to contain scum. Why would that not be suspect?

When did this happen?

Also, why would you assume that because Zen is being pushed on, it's impossible for bussing to be taking place? Mafia have to be willing to vote their partners to have a realistic solve. That's so weird.

Why do both of us seem "not SvS"?

iirc these pushes have been long-standing, not just a one off thing in ELO. Makes me feel like it isn't a bus here. Fmpov if one of you/pizza is bussing, you could just push STD instead unless he was the other partner. So you both can't be scum pushing zen and bussing imo.

So that leaves us with either zen is town and STD is mafia with HP/jacket, or zen is scum, one of you is bussing, and the other partner is STD. So I think STD is our best shot at hitting scum rn

[Dwlee99]

Aka everyone please stop trying to be heroes and solve the damn game. Just find a scum, one, and work from there.

Done

[Dwlee99]

I think I FOSed zen once, prior to today, and was also railing against the idea he was scum via mechanics for a bit.

What do you mean by the last part

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Well at least one of you and pizza is scum pushing zen right now but probably not both

And so I think STD makes sense as scum here

[Dwlee99]

Well at least one of you and pizza is scum pushing zen right now but probably not both

And so I think STD makes sense as scum here

and i do not like this post, "there has to be a scum in the people pushing zen"
and the whole associations thing you're doing
perhaps i'm biased, but like
i'm struggling to be convinced you're town with all this

Unless you think t3 or math are scum then you and Jacket literally can't both be town cause there are 4 town left and I'm one of them

[Dwlee99]

sure ok, it just felt shade-y
and i dont see many thoughts from u on the people outside t3/house->math, which is what i want to see, because i don't really follow the disassociatives
w/e

I mean I can try to explain the dissssociatives more if you want

It's that: assume t3/math are town because that world makes the most sense to me. I'm town. So we have one townie in STD/Zen/HP/Jacket.

Jacket and you are pushing Zen. One of you has to be scum doing it. So either you're both bussing scum!zen, which I don't think makes sense here because STD is an easy push and if you've done this whole push to paint associatives to get me to vote STD then well played. But I don't think the latter scenario makes any sense because you and Jacket don't really seem to understand the associatives I'm talking about.

So we rule out the scenario both you and jacket are bussing zen. That leaves us is with one town in jacket/HP/zen, so STD is scum.

[Dwlee99]

I am not doing fake voting for the entire wagon holy crap.

VOTE: Save the dragons

Get it over with

Also not everyone has checked in so not like there'd be a quickhammer this fast

[Dwlee99]

Nth sure

[Dwlee99]

I don't get to vote? This is ridiculous

[Dwlee99]

Why is this a thing

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*Jeopardy music*

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UNVOTE:
???

[Dwlee99]

Zen are you trying to make me tank my read of you

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I feel like if you're traitor here you could be bussing STD and then forcing the vote between STD and I because you think there is a chance a townie votes me thinking I'm associated with you

[Dwlee99]

See 2200 math

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That's why I'm skeeved

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But here traitor!zen gets a vote between STD and I rather than him and STD

[Dwlee99]

Yeah that's how voting just works

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Maybe presumptive, but feel like ZenMan is trying to get voted.

STD + Zen + ??

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: STD
It only makes sense for scum zen to unvote there if STD is scum anyway

[Dwlee99]

Either vote is fine imo but zen is probably traitor

[Dwlee99]

I am not the mafias

[Dwlee99]

I think t3 is town so I'm just going for this. We can discuss why STD is scum tomorrow on a zen traitor flip

VOTE: Zenman

[Dwlee99]

math sorry I took your hammer

[Dwlee99]

This game went pretty well. I thought t3 was traitor the moment I replaced into the game. House had me take a little detour in my thinking but we came around to it

[Dwlee99]

Thanks for modding Kyo!