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[Taly]

skitter

, who should

unwnd

duel with?

[Taly]

skitter

, who should

unwnd

duel with?

[Taly]

Omg I wanted to sheep your answer so badly but

Dwlee

feels raw tonight.

[Taly]

Aww.

Hmmm. I don't know how to read Cakez tbh. Which is as fencesitty as it sounds.

Any other names?

[Taly]

Unwnd, if you're going to rip into my soul, type quicker.

I got a curfew.

Also sorry but what does this mean wrt how ur reading unwnd?

I took his last post of "but actually" as a "will get to you

Taly

ASAP."

I felt his mortal-kombat reaction just now doesnt come from scum-him
Dunn wouod also be a good vote

VOTE: Dunn

Teamwork makes the dreamwork.

Dunn

, do something.

[Taly]

Also holy fucking shit I'm disconnecting my wifi and going to bed now. GOODNIGHT HUMANS, or I think yall are humans, not that I have evidence to support that though.

[Taly]

VOTE: sircakez


taly get back here

Peta's

latest reply to me was sound, though.

i just want to say, i appreciate you this game, as the only person on the playerlist i had no familiarity with you've been a delight, and i'm sorry if my earlier aggression was offputting (i know it was...probably uncharitable to galron and unfortunate. but some of that is that this is a game where not everything people say can be taken at face value)

i do not want you to feel like you are frozen out this game because i hate when that happens to me as town

and i feel as though you are quite likely to be town and if it's possible i want to reconcile the issues you have with me and see if we can work things out

Consider this reconciled. I just wanted to know that you took my suspicion in good faith. Playing with you has been nice as well.

Why is

Cakez

the optimal vote over

Dunn

?

[Taly]

Taly is a big question mark for me because they don't fit in my mind. This is a curious (?) where I don't think they're townie but also not null. They're a hard elimination and in my absolute tinfoil paranoia

I think they're being protected by scum

. I have less on the motivations of why, but I feel their presence to not be something that relieves me. Maybe it's their nature to weird, but I can't townread weird because something tells me that Taly is probably decent at his own weirdness and using it as a means to be townread. There's nothing entirely wrong with his approach but that alone makes me question because it is presented in such a processed and orderly manner where every appearance by him is very deliberate. It would be townie in another game but not this one, and not based on the events that have happened.

The bolded is the epitome of my fear this game but presented from an outside perspective with seemingly incomplete knowledge of my slot.

What unsettles me is that you don't reach any conclusion of my alignment from this information. Am I townblocking with my scumteam or am I good slot to parrot and WK as town for later game WIFOM?

On one hand, I can sympathize and appreciate your POV, on the other - this is the only time you've directly spoken about my slot. So its hard to gauge whether your suspicion is natural.

You are correct about one thing.

I am not a player to take at face value.

[Taly]

I'm more often endgamed than I am mislimmed.

[Taly]

I'm more often endgamed than I am mislimmed.

Is this because you think your reads aren't good? Susceptible to pocket? Still would like a little bit more cause yeah my thoughts were genuine and this is opportunity to get a more personal looka t you.

No and yes. Your predecessor,

Galron

, was right. I'm very susceptible to AtE.

I also have unpredictable read progressions.

I usually die the moment I get a strong solve.

I've had very strong elo performances but I still tend to lose them because scum takes advantage of people misinterpreting me.

[Taly]

I'd like people to drop their WK for me as I speak with Unwnd. It's distracting.

[Taly]

I'm more often endgamed than I am mislimmed.

Is this because you think your reads aren't good? Susceptible to pocket? Still would like a little bit more cause yeah my thoughts were genuine and this is opportunity to get a more personal looka t you.

No and yes. Your predecessor,

Galron

, was right. I'm very susceptible to AtE.

I also have unpredictable read progressions.

I usually die the moment I get a strong solve.

I've had very strong elo performances but I still tend to lose them because scum takes advantage of people misinterpreting me.

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Who is exactly bothering you and how it is affecting your reads? I don't remember what a readlist from you looks like.

Saber/Cakez

are people I'm afraid of being pocketed by.

Infinity/Peta

to a lesser degree but I have a lot of recent reasons to negate that with viewing them with town motive.

Dwlee

doesn't feel agenda based at all. My only reference of scum him was that he had a clear position to take that was advantageous to him and there is nothing for him to cling on here.

Uly

Town.

Skitter

seems like a team player judging off my last comvo with her.

Ydra

is a slot I want to townread but I feel could easily be in a team with most players.

Toog

too but I feel like he is more LHF than definitively scum or town.

Gamma

hasn't made many pushes this game that I approve of but I think they're sincere intention-wise.

Dunn

is stiff and someone I want to see an event result around to read better.

I felt generally good about

Galron

and I kind of feel like the heat your slot gets is very mob-centric and something I don't entirely trust, but can understand the reasons of suspicion.

Where is

Gypyx

?

[Taly]

I don't care for this gladiator bullshit tbh.

I want a duel I think is S/S.

[Taly]

I'm more often endgamed than I am mislimmed.

Is this because you think your reads aren't good? Susceptible to pocket? Still would like a little bit more cause yeah my thoughts were genuine and this is opportunity to get a more personal looka t you.

No and yes. Your predecessor,

Galron

, was right. I'm very susceptible to AtE.

I also have unpredictable read progressions.

I usually die the moment I get a strong solve.

I've had very strong elo performances but I still tend to lose them because scum takes advantage of people misinterpreting me.

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Who is exactly bothering you and how it is affecting your reads? I don't remember what a readlist from you looks like.

Saber/Cakez

are people I'm afraid of being pocketed by.

Infinity/Peta

to a lesser degree but I have a lot of recent reasons to negate that with viewing them with town motive.

Dwlee

doesn't feel agenda based at all. My only reference of scum him was that he had a clear position to take that was advantageous to him and there is nothing for him to cling on here.

Uly

Town.

Skitter

seems like a team player judging off my last comvo with her.

Ydra

is a slot I want to townread but I feel could easily be in a team with most players.

Toog

too but I feel like he is more LHF than definitively scum or town.

Gamma

hasn't made many pushes this game that I approve of but I think they're sincere intention-wise.

Dunn

is stiff and someone I want to see an event result around to read better.

I felt generally good about

Galron

and I kind of feel like the heat your slot gets is very mob-centric and something I don't entirely trust, but can understand the reasons of suspicion.

Where is

Gypyx

?

Just wanted to say I like your thoughts and you should feel knowing you give me hives because I am fearful of people who just say the right things. I think imperfection suits townies more

My town roll rate is over 90% and I've played mafia for almost 7 years.

There's a reason some players this game expected I be the NK and not

Pooky

.

But yeah.

I don't prefer votes on

unwnd

as of this moment.

[Taly]

Can the scum on

unwnd's

wagon start bussing whatever partner(s) that reside in

{Cakez/Dunn}

?

[Taly]

My soul is crying after that PT

[Taly]

I want a 10 shot dayvig

[Taly]

The good thing is that

Dwlee/I

pocketed each other.

[Taly]

Taly/Dwlee V Infinity/Skitter

is a gamestate plot line I never thought would come this game.

[Taly]

For the record,

Cakez/Ydra

were the slots I campaigned to nom the most.

[Taly]

i’m going to ate you until you regret that choice more than any within your life.......

But this is why I thought you were scum!

My assumption going into the PT was that

Toog

was town because I didn't trust that his wagon was heavily town led or influenced because it deflated

unwnd's

wagon and ignored my push for a

Cakez/Dunn

duel.

Based on my read progressions, I figured

unwnd

slot was town and

Cakez

slot was likely a

Dunn

partner.

And then proceeded to disagree with

Infinity/Skitter

over this take and the following ones from this idea throughout most of the PT time.

I felt that your aggression the

unwnd

1v1 was genuine but I couldn't help but think it was angled for your survival.

[Taly]

This does little to pacify me.

I'm either wrong in the PT or wrong before the PT and I don't know where the error in my reads began.

[Taly]

At the point of seeing

Dunn's

scumflip, I townread ALL of Pink Team but realized that that likely wasn't a realistic breakdown of the teams or the wagons.

[Taly]

Because our teams were divided by who was on

Toog

and who wasn't, and even in a

Toog

scum-influenced wagon, there was likely an off wagon partner of

Dunn

.

pedit

How did dwlee and you end up pocketing each other if you town read all of pink and dwlee thought all 3 scum we're in pink lol.

Because there's been points in this game where

Dwlee

has made a post that vividly aligns with my tonal POV of the game, and I don't see a scum motive to them finding scum in our PT... it's counterintuitive to what I'd think scum would be doing, which would be to secure a viable mislim nom on the other team.

Unless

Dwlee

and one or both of

Saber/Peta

is the rest of the team, I don't see many realities where they could be scum.

[Taly]

I'm just curious how that blossoming partnership came to be. The only thing you had in common was wanting Ydrasse out.

I'm curious why your stance in the PT was to sheep either me or

Skitter

, despite our increasingly differing viewpoints.

[Taly]

Omg I'm sorry for using he/him on you

Toog

!!

Tangible reminder to use they/them.

[Taly]

Who in the pink room wanted Cakez or saber
Atp the best theory I can reconcile is that scum are basically all low-impact

I was the only person who actively campaigned for

Cakez

,

Ulya

made the vote later in the phase but

peta[/n] had seniority by this point if I remember correctly.

Most of everyone was OK with a

Saber

nom,

Skitter

personally campaigning for it. But I wanted to sort

Saber

directly this phase.

[Taly]

I

I'm going to eat.

[Taly]

I was the only person who actively campaigned for Cakez, Ulya made the vote later in the phase but peta[/n] had seniority by this point if I remember correctly.

? the vote that ended up being seniority vote for petapan was placed by toogeloo sometime after i voted for sircakez, when i voted sircakez you were voting ydrasse but shortly thereafter unvoted, had you actually wanted sircakez and voted there at this time sircakez would have been the nomination,

so

?

I've had a hectic schedule and I've not thought very clearly in the last few days.

[Taly]

Yeah also i dont remember taly wanting cakez, he was pushing ydra a whole lot

Because I didn't know

Cakez

had any traction until

Ulya's

vote.

And by that point, I had already aligned with

Dwlee's

POV of the game more and wanted to consolidate there.

[Taly]

VLA until 24th

[Taly]

Yeah also i dont remember taly wanting cakez, he was pushing ydra a whole lot

Because I didn't know

Cakez

had any traction until

Ulya's

vote.

And by that point, I had already aligned with

Dwlee's

POV of the game more and wanted to consolidate there.

Also I misinterpreted what seniority meant.

Thought

Ydra

was still going to be the nom.

[Taly]

oh, I'm getting BoP'd on my few scum games. Love it.

[Taly]

oh, I'm getting BoP'd on my few scum games. Love it.

no whining allowed this is for reading peta and you can't even die today unless woowoo sabotage shenanigans

I'm not whining, I'm solving. There's purpose that I won't make clear.

and no

Gamma

, haha. I am not

Gensokyo

, even though I fucking love Kakegurui.

[Taly]

Still shocked someone beat me to a Yumeko Jabamai anime alt.

[Taly]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=84987 - Student Council, was a hydra - Purple Heart
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=82724 - Was an SK, rep'ed early though.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=78138 - 2 in 1, I was scum in 1.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=76098 - My glowing scum-game, flawless victory.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=76341 - Was a traitor... rep'ed out.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=76118 - Really crazy multiball... I got NKed by the OTHER scumteam for being "too towny" I was a traitor, ironically the worst role for my playstyle.

I rarely roll scum and have even rolled town twice in games where rerolls happen.

[Taly]

OH yeah, that too.

I forget about alts. I've only been scum in that one game as an alt, and I tried to augment my playstyle a little bit in

Situation Room

by being less emotionally involved.

oh, I'm getting BoP'd on my few scum games. Love it.

that is literally not what i am doing

i just realized i cannot give you the easy surface level clear. that's all

Understood.

[Taly]

for me, the taly read is that i feel like there's usually a lot less emotionality in his posts as scum, he can make good posts (tm) as scum but there's not as much personality injected into them. and while i didn't like that he chose to side with dwlee over me and skitt in the pt, i could see his thought progression there and i felt like it came from a genuine place of trying to reconcile the two different worldviews

Ugh, fuck. Does

Infinity

really give me the benefit of the doubt if they are scum here?

And I remember a similar post about

peta

, which the event pushes them to gladiate with.

And I don't think

peta's

shift in mentality towards me is with the intent to doubtcast my slot. I also liked their pushback when I baited them.

Yeah, I'm not feeling

peta

or

infinity]/b] at the moment.

[Taly]

This is basically how I feel in this game rn. Yes, including the underlying delusionality. I know this isn’t actually the case for what’s going on but it damn well feels like it.

Let's do what we should have on Event One and cry/get pissy together.

[Taly]

Come on

Gamma

, let's chat, I'll reply when I'm not feeling the stung of mafia burnout.

[Taly]

Skitter's

mad cramping my flow What do I do?

pedit

vla for a couple of days, i'm sick

Hugs and love! Get better,

skitter

!!

[Taly]

Skitter's mad cramping my flow What do I do?

wdym

I keep waffling on 2 different POVs of this game and I'm trying to reconcile that by playing into the gamestate present in the Pink Thread PT to see what is consistent and not.

And if she is town, I want to work with

Skitter

. But her posts about outlining suspicion with my progression over

Dwlee

without digressing into it and saying my reaction to

peta

was bad without looking at the following posts that narrated my viewpoint, vexes me.

I want an outside opinion on whether she is taking me in good faith and if I I to her.

[Taly]

how many scum do you think are in the pink room, skitter

Max 1, i would be shocked if there were more than that

I wanted peta, unwnd/nu-gamma, or saber. From the blue room i'm townreading gamma and cakez the most, and ydra/gypyx to a lesser extent.

My room was all over the place and i cant imagine a 6 person pt with 2+ scum being unable to cough up a 3 person wagon, which we were utterly unable to do

Also i am significantly more sus of taly after the pt, i would just like to say
Toog did look better in the pt too fwiw

@gammagooey i see ur question but realistically will not be able to get to it until tomorrow , just fyi

Yeah that's the vibe i got

Like 2 scum van just be aligned on wanting one person + any given townie would have made the 'nomming' wagon and that just didn't happen

And the lines that split the pt were just really weird and complex and idk didn't really feel like people were working together

There's prob like 1 tho cuz i dont think all scum were with u guys either

Also i do think there's something weird going on in taly/dwlee

Pedit @ydra

oh, I'm getting BoP'd on my few scum games. Love it.

Not a good reaction to that ...

[Taly]

Lmfao, I appreciate you

peta

[Taly]

Hi, haven’t read anything but skimmed my predecessor’s ISO, so if anyone could help me catch up what I’ve missed, that would be super.

First event majority of players voted on their scumread.

Gamma

and the slot that is now

Gammahpoey

were tied as slots to "lim"

Gamma

won but gained the power to kill a player.

Gamma

shot

Gammagoey's

slot but was sabotaged, and

Pooky]/b] was killed instead - town.

Gamma

ended up shooting

Ceph

because he could no shoot at the same player twice, and flipped LHF town.

The next event involved everybody voting for 2 players to duel under the knowledge that at least 1 would die.

Dunn/Cakez/Gammagoey's slot/Toog/Peta

were all slots that gained the most attention to be participate. After

Cakez/unwnd (Gammagoey's slot)/peta

began to have their suspicion ease for one reason or another,

Dunn

was in a duel with

Toog

- the latter being quickwagoned to be in the duel at the very last bit of the event phase and hammered.

Toog

kills

Dunn

, and

Dunn

flips scum.

The next event, all 13 living players are sectioned into 2 teams based what appeared appeared be our end-of-phase votes.

Blue all voted

Toog

, so:

peta/gamma/gooey/gypyx/ydrasse/saber/cakez

.

Pink consisted of players who wasn't voting and on a vanity wagon

Skitter/Toog/Ulyana

, or voting

Dunn

-

(Dwlee/Taly/Infinity)

.

Blue Team reached a consensus to nominate

Infinity

for elimination.

Pink Team failed to reach a consensus and

peta

was nominated for having the most votes in the most recent period of time.

Now the playerlist decides

Infinity/Peta

fate.

[Taly]

Omg ulya stole my thunder

[Taly]

Wait, why does

Infinity

bus a partner here?

[Taly]

I'm probably campaigning for the elimination of the slot that says

"tO dIsTaNcE"

[Taly]

We suspect that scum killed

Pooky

as a result of the sabotage.

[Taly]

Wait, why does

Infinity

bus a partner here?

who was this supposed to be in response to

Anybody with a plausible answer.

[Taly]

where? you mean dunn? there was sufficient pressure anyway, infinity sheeped peta’s read onto dunnstral, so theirs was one of the devalued post breaking point votes to me

Do you think

peta/Infinity

are T/S?

[Taly]

Like, I really don't imagine scum voting partners into the duel. This might just be how I'd play scum, but I would not be apt to risk a partner for elimination if I had plenty of alternatives of which must have contained town- which event 2 did.

[Taly]

Lol

dwlee

testing me and

ulya

confused that I asked a question is peak Pink Team energy.

[Taly]

Like, I really don't imagine scum voting partners into the duel. This might just be how I'd play scum, but I would not be apt to risk a partner for elimination if I had plenty of alternatives of which must have contained town- which event 2 did.

infinity didn't vote me into the duel though so i don't see what you're trying to say

Of course... so why does

Infinity

want

Dunn

in the duel?

[Taly]

Omg bolding names is harder than it looks

[Taly]

I'm OK with

Infinity

mediating here.

[Taly]

And if she is town, I want to work with Skitter. But her posts about outlining suspicion with my progression over Dwlee without digressing into it and saying my reaction to peta was bad without looking at the following posts that narrated my viewpoint, vexes me.

i feel like i described my issues r.e. dwlee in the pt, no?
also you weren't getting bop'd by your scumgames so that post felt somewhat straw-man-y + the annoyance felt out of place

pedit ok

It wasn't annoyance. I wanted to see

peta's

reply to me barking at him unreasonably.

[Taly]

Wait, do we have to kill

Infinity

or

Peta

?

[Taly]

We fucked up

Saber

should've been nominated.

[Taly]

saber's tilt is nai but her content is just kinda ~lacking~ tbh

Harley is scum

We fucked up

Saber

should've been nominated.

…

Why is Harley scum

This sequence is hilarious AF

[Taly]

I sincerely apologize to town for my play these past 9 days.

[Taly]

I sincerely apologize to town for my play these past 9 days.

[Taly]

Wait, why does

Infinity

bus a partner here?

>.> literally my argument in the pt that you kinda ignored ...

i just checked and my vote on dunn put him in the lead over unwnd

would love to hear your argument for why that makes me scum

Oh I'd love to hear this.

[Taly]

peta

, who was the Blue Team most resistant to nominating?

Pedit

also the dunn vote on toog there is very likely an indicator that toogeloo is town

Gonna be real sad if

Infinity/peta

are T/T.

[Taly]

Still, Gamma should be able to correctly read me, so that’s extremely concerning

2 hours into the game? this is nonsense

Yeah, I probably shouldn’t have said that. I sometimes forget I’m playing on an alt. I just got really frustrated with him.

Nancy

!?

[Taly]

Sorry.

[Taly]

i thought it was infinity's vote that tipped the dunn wagon over >.>
my mistake

i don't know if that really changes my mind on either of you tho

And I don't know if this changes my mind that

Dwlee

has a point about you being scum.

[Taly]

i thought it was infinity's vote that tipped the dunn wagon over >.>
my mistake

i don't know if that really changes my mind on either of you tho

And I don't know if this changes my mind that

Dwlee

has a point about you being scum.

i mean i feel like you've been wanting to come to this conclusion for a while

I just don't understand why this isn't a good reason for you reevaluate here if you're town. It feels agenda based.

[Taly]

Another inconsistency with Skitter's "infinity is town because Dunn vote!" Thing when I voted Dunn way before that and was pushing him to be part of the duel very hard

Actually yeah

You and I WERE the strongest pushers on

Dunn

Event 2.

[Taly]

You were hypothesizing me scum in the pink chat I thought...

Okay NVM your first thing there was saying you "feel better" about me there

Skitter

susses me a good bit at this point.

[Taly]

WHAT?

[Taly]

HAVE YOU READ ME AT ALL THIS GAME?

[Taly]

BRB rushing to computer

[Taly]

I've actively pressured

Dunn/b] since Event 1

[Taly]

Or, you could be town with a motive closer to mine in similarity.

And your motive is what?

Hint: How does town win this game?

I just love to play with my hand close to the fire.

We should proceed as if whoever we are voting for will die

And if they don't die, we can do something different with the rest of the day

I'll concede if the majority agrees with this approach, but I'd rather not to.

I believe Gamma is at L2.

Let's please keep in mind of the, state L1 and intention to hammer before EoD occurs, if it does.

would also be nice to leash gamma emerald to eliminate someone who is not me if the throne is a kingmaker type deal on account of this entire push feeling like it might be preemptively designed to explain him doing so

I agree with leashing him in some form.... everything after the "who" part is where you lost me.

I believe Gamma is at L2.

Let's please keep in mind of the, state L1 and intention to hammer before EoD occurs, if it does.

There are no power roles so there's no real reason to do this

I disagree. What if someone had a thought or question they wanted to get out before EoD? I mean, it's unrealistic to have everybody approve of when to end the day

But I've certainly seen many votes reach capacity before I was ready for EoD and they don't historically play out to my preference.

I voice this out of courtesy.

Gamma had an opportunity to vote himself into the chair though.

So the theory that they are playing to get into the chair is probably incorrect regardless (though that doesn't necessarily make him town because the chair isn't necessarily or even likely to be good)

I hate this from Dunnstral

100 points for anyone who can figure out why I hate this

Dunn

presumes that scum-

Gamma

would want the chair and therefore could be informed?

I want to flip Uly and Dunn now.

What happened to the multiple people who were willing to hammer Gamma?

Gamma had an opportunity to vote himself into the chair though.

So the theory that they are playing to get into the chair is probably incorrect regardless (though that doesn't necessarily make him town because the chair isn't necessarily or even likely to be good)

I hate this from Dunnstral

100 points for anyone who can figure out why I hate this

Dunn

presumes that scum-

Gamma

would want the chair and therefore could be informed?

I'm not presuming anything, I'm responding to the idea that scum gamma was trying to get into the chair. I'm pointing out that he had a chance to get into the chair if he wanted to.

Then your confusion with

Gamma

not getting flipped perplexes me even further. What even is your read of the slot and why were you interested in ending this event phase quickly?

I'm not sure what you're getting at but I never said any of that.

Then why was it painful to call attention to the vote counter? I'm trying to understand the benefit to a quicker elimination on

Gamma

was.

I don't receive much from your posts to be honest. Some of your opinions and ideas come from a mindset that seems more survivalistic than solving.

okay well i'm town who would like to play future minigames and am not particularly strong at solving without information and currently your method of sorting me is flipping me so maybe try something else

This is exactly my point.

You expect me to know your alignment to be town but that is unclear. Don't you think it's more productive for you to tell me your current POV of the game even if you're not confident in it?

I believe Gamma is at L2.

Let's please keep in mind of the, state L1 and intention to hammer before EoD occurs, if it does.

would also be nice to leash gamma emerald to eliminate someone who is not me if the throne is a kingmaker type deal on account of this entire push feeling like it might be preemptively designed to explain him doing so

I agree with leashing him in some form.... everything after the "who" part is where you lost me.

I believe Gamma is at L2.

Let's please keep in mind of the, state L1 and intention to hammer before EoD occurs, if it does.

There are no power roles so there's no real reason to do this

I disagree. What if someone had a thought or question they wanted to get out before EoD? I mean, it's unrealistic to have everybody approve of when to end the day

But I've certainly seen many votes reach capacity before I was ready for EoD and they don't historically play out to my preference.

I voice this out of courtesy.

Not every mafia game needs to be painful

Then what was this post aimed at? Not my reply?

Then what was this post aimed at? Not my reply?

No that wasn't aimed at you, it was aimed at Prism and Gamma.

All right then!

Dunn

is a good person to chair imo but it's partially why he's been so absent. I don't think I'd get much from his flip. He feels LHF. Does someone have a meta-take?

VOTE: Dunnstral

Outside of

Gamma V Galron

,

Pooky

directed majority of his attention, more so EoD, to

Saber/Dunn/Peta

. I think that contributed to his NK.

We won't know the benefit.

Trust these people until the end of time: Taly, Infinity, Skitter, Ydrasse, Sircakez
Good folks to keep around: Gypyx, Petapan
Could do with a touching-up: Dunnstral, Dwlee, Ulyana
Remove them from the premises: Saber, Galron, Toogeloo

I think I’m sitting somewhere around here?
FYI I kinda felt like Saber’s response to my question about the progression on me felt a little sus

I'd drop

Peta, Ydra, and Dunn

all down a tier.

Want to join my cause,

Galron

?

Your cause of pressuring Cakez?

Voting Dunn

Haha. I want

Dunn and Peta

to be the duelists.

I'm mindmelding strongly with

Saber

. I think it's best I lean in and refrain from suspicion here. I did notice that she hasn't touched my recent posts on her.

I think I'd prefer

peta

over

Dunn

at the moment. I did not like his interaction with

Galron

at all.

Despite my qualms, the amount of effort and being top poster by a long shot is quite unlikely to come from a stagehand, though. Contestants dominate that statistic a lot. I may just dislike his erratic playstyle.

Do you find a benefit of the doubt with slots like

Dunn/Peta/Galron

?

Also, I have absolutely no clue if

Dunn

is reading this game beyond every two or third post that mentions him.

This isn't a slight at all, I just can't feel compelled to think he's town because he's returned to the exact same conversations as the previous game phases, and has added no additional content. The coasting feels scummy because it has worked in his favor.

Most vocal stagehand or suspicions from Pooky I can see are on Gamma, Dunnstral, and petapan. He also supported a S-S theory for the two leading wagons.

just gonna point out that even though i townread gamma at this point we technically we haven't really seen anything that disproves s/s

if they were actually svs wagons picking your partner and then sabotaging the flip is a great way to make you look unaligned in that situation

While I agree with this, a

Gamma/Galron

duel feels both like something scum would predict and a rehash from the chair vote. I'd like to see new contestants in the hot seat.

Dunn

feels closer to town than earlier this phase. But I just don't like the taste of two scumreads I pushed on relatively lukewarm slots to diminish so quickly.

Unwnd, if you're going to rip into my soul, type quicker.

I got a curfew.

Also sorry but what does this mean wrt how ur reading unwnd?

I took his last post of "but actually" as a "will get to you

Taly

ASAP."

I felt his mortal-kombat reaction just now doesnt come from scum-him
Dunn wouod also be a good vote

VOTE: Dunn

Teamwork makes the dreamwork.

Dunn

, do something.

VOTE: sircakez


taly get back here

Peta's

latest reply to me was sound, though.

i just want to say, i appreciate you this game, as the only person on the playerlist i had no familiarity with you've been a delight, and i'm sorry if my earlier aggression was offputting (i know it was...probably uncharitable to galron and unfortunate. but some of that is that this is a game where not everything people say can be taken at face value)

i do not want you to feel like you are frozen out this game because i hate when that happens to me as town

and i feel as though you are quite likely to be town and if it's possible i want to reconcile the issues you have with me and see if we can work things out

Consider this reconciled. I just wanted to know that you took my suspicion in good faith. Playing with you has been nice as well.

Why is

Cakez

the optimal vote over

Dunn

?

Can the scum on

unwnd's

wagon start bussing whatever partner(s) that reside in

{Cakez/Dunn}

?

[Taly]

I've had SOME interactions with

Dunn

where I reconsidered him, was pacified by his replies to me in the moment, and was focused on other players-

But

Dunn

is a slot that I've suspected a lot this game, and placed unnecessary attention on.

[Taly]

I've had SOME interactions with

Dunn

where I reconsidered him, was pacified by his replies to me in the moment, and was focused on other players-

But

Dunn

is a slot that I've suspected a lot this game, and placed unnecessary attention on.

This is against the argument that I'd be scum with him, as some people have already seemed to either not be fond of my progression on him or... in

skitter's

case... didn't pay attention I guess.

[Taly]

WHAT?

HAVE YOU READ ME AT ALL THIS GAME?

BRB rushing to computer

Oof, I'm trying not to do all-caps in games anymore. Sorry!

[Taly]

I think

Infinity/Peta

could use some hugs right now.

[Taly]

Also my tonal range has been officially broken.

Taly

is no longer a force of elegance, that mask is shattered now.

[Taly]

I want skitter after infinity regardless of infinity's alignment I think

such garbage

I don't want y'all in ELO with me even if you're town

the fuck did i do wrong?

Oh my goooood

INFINITY IS TOWN

I'm going to need a hug because I'm increasingly not wanting either limmed.

[Taly]

Gammagooey's

town.

There. I contributed a read to this game today. Bye.

p-edit

Another inconsistency with Skitter's "infinity is town because Dunn vote!" Thing when I voted Dunn way before that and was pushing him to be part of the duel very hard

Actually yeah

You and I WERE the strongest pushers on

Dunn

Event 2.

I’m pretty sure most of the time I was pushing Dunn as well
I did try to put Saber against Toog at one point but that was because unwnd wanted a saber flip

*skims your ISO and nods head*

Do you think Blue or Pink team has more scum?

[Taly]

Gammagooey's

town.

There. I contributed a read to this game today. Bye.

p-edit

Another inconsistency with Skitter's "infinity is town because Dunn vote!" Thing when I voted Dunn way before that and was pushing him to be part of the duel very hard

Actually yeah

You and I WERE the strongest pushers on

Dunn

Event 2.

I’m pretty sure most of the time I was pushing Dunn as well
I did try to put Saber against Toog at one point but that was because unwnd wanted a saber flip

*skims your ISO and nods head*

Do you think Blue or Pink team has more scum?

I need to do my holistic analysis but I feel like blue team might have more scum
Toog was basically the only one in pink team I actively felt was scum during the nomination phase, I was only willing to put up Ulyana because I TRed infinity more than her

Might actually cry if

Dwlee/Skitter/Infinity

are all town like I began the Pink Team PT believing.

[Taly]

Cakez

, I don't like that you return to this thread knocking the only towncase presented on either nominee slot in the most handwavey manner possible.

[Taly]

Cakez

, I don't like that you return to this thread knocking the only towncase presented on either nominee slot in the most handwavey manner possible.

who cares? one of them is dying either way and I've made my stance on Infinity scum very clear

I do care and your mentality here is why I suspect you. Your suspicions this entire game feel easy to make and I don't have a clear understanding on what you find trustworthy, town, or productive.

I'm less convinced on both nominees being scum at this moment but you don't seem so concerned beyond progressing this game only through elimination, and I can't parse your motive easily.

[Taly]

I genuinely am trying to figure out if I'm just mad beefing with

Ydra/Cakez's

playstyle because everybody is apt to convince me I'm wrong in suspecting either slot, but I don't think I've provided sufficient pressure or have seen an appealing reply.

p-edit

Cakez

, I don't like that you return to this thread knocking the only towncase presented on either nominee slot in the most handwavey manner possible.

who cares? one of them is dying either way and I've made my stance on Infinity scum very clear

I do care and your mentality here is why I suspect you. Your suspicions this entire game feel easy to make and I don't have a clear understanding on what you find trustworthy, town, or productive.

I'm less convinced on both nominees being scum at this moment but you don't seem so concerned beyond progressing this game only through elimination, and I can't parse your motive easily.

ok and? my suspicions have been right so far. we have to lim Peta or Infinity, that's it. I don't understand what you want - it seems like nobody is changing their mind on either slot so why would you not want to get to the elim so we can hopefully get to some event that opens the pool again.

Mmmmmmm. OK,

"we can't change the event"

sounds like a better response than

"good with killing a slot."

What is your read on

Peta

- did you reconcile in the PT?

[Taly]

I was energized by the scumflip and then the Pink Team was birthed.

I concede.

Cakez: 1
Ydra: 1
Taly: 0

Round 1 complete.

[Taly]

Peta/Dwlee/Gammagooey

, I feel compelled to speak with you 3.

[Taly]

1)

What is hard to read about

Ydrasse/Me

?

2)

How do you view the Pink Team dynamics?

3)

Any questions you have for me?

[Taly]

gamma I've accepted my fate

maybe people will listen to you in the next phase

infinity

, if it means anything, your avi is even cuter now holy shit

[Taly]

I'm regretting that I didn't vote

Saber/Harley Quinn

slot and wish

Skitter

swapped with

Infinity

for the nom.

Essentially, neither nom is one I want eliminated above others.

[Taly]

To be precise,

Infinity/Peta

are both slots I've suspected at some point in this game, but I just can't see scum playing the way either of them are at the moment.

Peta's

pushing against slots that aren't

Infinity

- which would largely be at his own detriment in the reality he is scum, so it's hard to brand any of his posts this event as insincere.

Infinity

seems to have just resigned to a lim. There is a reality where Pink Team had more scum and so the judgment of Blue is very townsided, but

Infinity

is not entirely void of content. I have a hard time thinking they - as scum - would just sit and be like

"yup"

, feels more like a defeated townie, tonally.

[Taly]

You have posted much words that generally seem pro-town, but I think you're a good player and I haven't seen anything in particular that's been SHOCKINGLY town, just a lot of good but theoretically fakeable-by-scum posts.

Thanks for the ego boost

[Taly]

To be precise,

Infinity/Peta

are both slots I've suspected at some point in this game, but I just can't see scum playing the way either of them are at the moment.

Peta's

pushing against slots that aren't

Infinity

- which would largely be at his own detriment in the reality he is scum, so it's hard to brand any of his posts this event as insincere.

Infinity

seems to have just resigned to a lim. There is a reality where Pink Team had more scum and so the judgment of Blue is very townsided, but

Infinity

is not entirely void of content. I have a hard time thinking they - as scum - would just sit and be like

"yup"

, feels more like a defeated townie, tonally.

The counter to both of these points is that

Peta

-scum is thriving off of the discord in Pink Team and is inflating themselves.... but I have issue with this because I agree with his grievance over the double standard

Skitter

placed on him versus

Infinity

.

And

Infinity

has been muted this entire game. They've made many posts that don't have a set agenda, but reading them tonally does not feel reliable anymore.

If I had to choose to eliminate either slot now? I'm leaning

Infinity

, but that's largely because of 3 things:

1)

A flip in Pink illuminates the way I see our team very thoroughly.

2)

Peta's

counterargument is weaker, I buy his outrage to

Skitter's

POV on him.

3)

I don't want to give scum the benefit of a tie. I don't care if that "informs town", that will always be an argument of WIFOM, which we do not need. I'd probably - and reluctantly - vote

Peta

to avoid this.

Unfortunately, none of these reasons are overtly

"

Infinity

is scum"

. So the gamestate is icky and I want to leave it ASAP.

[Taly]

With that, VOTE: Start The Vote.

If anybody has more questions about my stances, feel free.

[Taly]

I'm slightly paranoid of

Peta/Cakez

S/S but I don't have grounds for that.

[Taly]

I'm also still reading this gamestate in a

Toog

-town universe.

I don't follow any logic that would suggest

Dunn/Toog

S/S, however vaguely it's been stated.

[Taly]

Also curious on how I give off the impression of a powerful player. I feel like I've proved this Event more than any that I am very fallible.

[Taly]

I'm also still reading this gamestate in a

Toog

-town universe.

I don't follow any logic that would suggest

Dunn/Toog

S/S, however vaguely it's been stated.

I'll complete this idea with the main points:

1) Toog's

quickwagon and hammer conveyed a counter to another player. Unless Blue Team is quite literally 0-1 scum and all a bunch of mislimmable town slots, I have a hard time seeing the duel as S/S.

2) Toog

spent about the entire PT trying to bring cohesion to the team.

3) Toog

does not seem pressured at all, no matter how much suspicion that slot gets. They feel more focused on solving and grabbing a sense of the game than survivalism.

[Taly]

3) I don't want to give scum the benefit of a tie. I don't care if that "informs town", that will always be an argument of WIFOM, which we do not need. I'd probably - and reluctantly - vote Peta to avoid this.

Let me rephrase this too -

I will vote any alternative if it avoids a tie.

[Taly]

I'm slightly paranoid of

Peta/Cakez

S/S but I don't have grounds for that.

sircakez/peta/toog

What a parallel.

Makes me want to anime GIF.



Boa is my fucking spirit

[Taly]

Peta/Dwlee/Gammagooey

, I feel compelled to speak with you 3.

hi, i'm home from work now

Rank my 10 posts (starting with 4045) in order from least mindmelding to most mindmelding.

IF

you want to do some homework ;D

[Taly]

What if it was Toog and 2 people in blue team? There was an early sentiment that the duel wasn’t really clearing for Toog, but they never gained traction. Maybe that’s why they didn’t feel pressured? And with Infinity getting nominated and how many people were sussing them, Toog could basically do whatever in the pink room with the knowledge that it was basically going to be a landslide. As for the duel, I just looked at the votes and Peta and Saber were the last two. Now I’m worried about a Peta/Harley/Toog team tbh
I started this as an attempt to devil’s advocate but this all sounds internally consistent

People tend to get tripped up when I ask for homework rather than write something as lucid as 4065.

I want to hear this same team theory but from the perspective of Event 1 to see of that consistency still remains.

[Taly]

Why take the most hostile possible interpretation of my behavior? My suspicion of your slot is largely from

Saber

and you've yet yo make an impression that leads me to think you interact with other players in good faith. If you genuinely feel rushed for time, then just say so and stop wasting it by taking shots at players who have found clarity and are acting upon it.

Fuck.

[Taly]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=84987 - Student Council, was a hydra - Purple Heart
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=82724 - Was an SK, rep'ed early though.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=78138 - 2 in 1, I was scum in 1.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=76098 - My glowing scum-game, flawless victory.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=76341 - Was a traitor... rep'ed out.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=76118 - Really crazy multiball... I got NKed by the OTHER scumteam for being "too towny" I was a traitor, ironically the worst role for my playstyle.

I rarely roll scum and have even rolled town twice in games where rerolls happen.

I don't roll scum often. These are my games but many aren't recent.

I was scum under the alt of

Cupcake Butterfly

in a game that

Gamma

mentioned not long ago, but that was an alt I intentionally played a bit silent and muted with. So meta there is not 100% accurate to me here even though that game cab help sort my alignment here.

[Taly]

Why take the most hostile possible interpretation of my behavior? My suspicion of your slot is largely from

Saber

and you've yet yo make an impression that leads me to think you interact with other players in good faith. If you genuinely feel rushed for time, then just say so and stop wasting it by taking shots at players who have found clarity and are acting upon it.

Fuck.

You want to kill me. You don’t want to give me time to make an informed decision. Then you completely ignore my posts. Why should I have a positive interpretation of that?

Yes, I’m slightly paranoid that if you’re not wrongly tunnelled on me, you might even possibly trying to set me up. Do you really blame me?

Because why not give me the time I need to catch up when you know I just repped into a 152 page game?

You're taking several hundred leaps here.

I haven't said explicitly I wanted to kill you. In fact, my read is subject subject change based on your play here. I don't understand how you conclude that I'm interested in powerlimming you, I'd be far more obvious if I wanted that.

How the fuck does my vote mean that i don't want you to catch up? My vote isn't the hammer. I'm expressing that I want to start the vote to progress the gamestate. We only have 2 days. I don't know what you realistically want from me.

And what was I to reply to earlier? You've asserted the presumption that people are actively trying to eliminate you when that's not even possible in the game mechabic right now. My only response is "that's not true, if you're feeling pressed for time, maybe talk to players I'm a non accusatory manner."

Like literally stop right here if you're town, I'm getting more frustrated by the second.

[Taly]

OK. Thank you. Didn't mean to get tilty there either, I do not intend to rush you and ask me what you want to know so you can have a better foothold of this game. I understand reping in the middle of a large is a big task.

[Taly]

if you're scum i would be okay with losing to you at this point

I've only ever heard town make this statement. And I've had this statement made to me several times.

[Taly]

I think I like

Cakez

. Did I sin and not hit 2 scum Event 2?

[Taly]

people are talking like we are gonna somehow get through this without yeeting one of Peta or Infinity

who? other than taly’s ??? post about how the event worked

i was referring to Taly

And

Taly

has since voted to start the vote as he feels very confident in how to best play this next phase and encourages Y'ALL TO LOCK IT UP.

[Taly]

Infinity

, I still love you.

Also omfg I love this event's mechanic. It's fucking delicious.

VOTE: Taly

Let's make this fun.

[Taly]

I'm loving Dwlee and Ydra at the moment.

[Taly]

I'm willing to sac myself today if we go with my plan.

But how do we know who dies if we all wait this out to deadline? Random?

[Taly]

If four successive town players reach the other side before scum make a kill, all scum die.

wait does this mean that if scum makes a kill at any point town can no longer trigger the four successive town players clause?

send four across (1 dies) + 4 more townies i think

but if the scum kills someone can town still do the four successive towns thing, is what i'm asking

That's not how I read it. I think getting 4 townies to cross in succession is key, regardless of when.

[Taly]

I'm willing to sac myself today if we go with my plan.

But how do we know who dies if we all wait this out to deadline? Random?

Actually this assessment is wrong. It's unclear if the final 4 who haven't crossed will die or not.

I'm guessing that's a hint to the possible sabotage, or the next event.

[Taly]

If four successive town players reach the other side before scum make a kill, all scum die.

wait does this mean that if scum makes a kill at any point town can no longer trigger the four successive town players clause?

send four across (1 dies) + 4 more townies i think

but if the scum kills someone can town still do the four successive towns thing, is what i'm asking

That's not how I read it. I think getting 4 townies to cross in succession is key, regardless of when.

before

scum make a kill
seems like the relevant text there. but it's prob worth bugging MT about in case I'm wrong

I'm also not particularly interested in going hard into gaming the system with 'the least townie of the 8 first' but I do see the appeal - just put wagons on people I think are town and I'll vote for 'em

OH hm

[Taly]

Actually maybe my one opinion on order is that if Taly comes he should be in the 5-8 group

Taly-posting is generally good for game health and my sanity

How am I gonna get NKed like this tho

[Taly]

WAIT

TWEETIE!!!!

IF SOMEONE CROSSES, ARE THEY UNABLE TO SPEAK UNTIL EVERYBIDY ELSE CROSSES?

I ASK BECAUSE I FORGOT EVENT 4 HAD A SECRET BALLOT AND TILTED.

[Taly]

Omg

[Taly]

Peta

please don't be misting me, it will haunt me forever that I actually hit S/S on Event 2 out of the gate and has henceforth rejected that take in full for the remainder of the game after one flips scum.

[Taly]

WAIT

TWEETIE!!!!

IF SOMEONE CROSSES, ARE THEY UNABLE TO SPEAK UNTIL EVERYBIDY ELSE CROSSES?

I ASK BECAUSE I FORGOT EVENT 4 HAD A SECRET BALLOT AND TILTED.

Crossed and crossing players continue to discuss and vote for the remainder of the event. They simply cannot be voted for.

Oh. I can go last or close to last then.

Unless y'all finally want me to achieve my dreams of self-wagonint successfully.

[Taly]

Do you think meta will help me read you, and will you send any links?

[Taly]

To peta

[Taly]

Dwlee/Ydrasse/Gammagooey

, I recruit your services I helping me read

Peta

.

[Taly]

Actually I'm curious further

Peta

, do you think my play aligns more with competent scum or messy, thread-shifting town?

[Taly]

Gamma

, darling, feel free to add your opinion.

[Taly]

Dwlee/Ydrasse/Gammagooey

, I recruit your services I helping me read

Peta

.

...

this was my reaction to this as well

You can join too,

Ulya

.

[Taly]

Exactly what I intend to remedy,

Dwlee

.

[Taly]

Damn. I want to jump in

Gamma's

pocket.

What a progression from Event 1.

[Taly]

Dwlee/Ydrasse/Gammagooey

, I recruit your services I helping me read

Peta

.

...

this was my reaction to this as well

You can join too,

Ulya

.

i've said my thoughts on peta previously and will add when i feel is relevant it just feels like you're just doing 'things' but they don't really seem like things that lead to optimal bridge crossing or even best odds of finding town/scum like how did you decide to recruit those players services there like i sure i see an immediate parallel to my asking ydrasse and petapan but like, why for you here

Did it occur to you that I'm not just trying to assess

peta

here?

It's boring when I have to spell my motives out often.

Ulyana is right
I feel like that’s kinda disrespectful especially from you

Disrespect implies something that is personal. I don't take that lightly, so please clarify.

[Taly]

I answered that already. It would defeat the purpose if I continued.

[Taly]

Oh I thought you were referring to my post. Hmm

I don't think

Dwlee

thinks that way about mafia. But interesting take.

[Taly]

Did it occur to you that I'm not just trying to assess peta here?

[Taly]

i'm still kinda suspicious of taly too

I still don't quite follow your progression on me.

Did it occur to you that I'm not just trying to assess peta here?

how does that answer why those three players for this mission of assessing peta i don't understand

Hence the

"I'm not going to explain further yet"

. Like... we are going in circles here.

[Taly]

Ulya

, I don't think your assessment is fair. I just don't play the way you would solve here.

Skitter

, I've felt that I've been very consistent in being pro-

Dwlee

before the PT occurred. I instinctively trusted their POV of the game at the time beyond the rest of the PT when I otherwise was doubting my own perception of pink team being all town. I figured their tunnel on

you/Skitter

was an invisible strategy to take as scum because that only harms their credibility by pushing known misims OR if they were a partner of either of you, it would be odd to bus when nobody bit onto the read at the time.

I don't know the context of you and

Infinity's

history well, so when I read the moment

Dwlee

saw you two as potential partners (around the moment you suspected

Infinity

for their tone), it made me rethink your slots because

Infinity

has been tonally different than town games I've seen before, and I had difficulty parsing your progression as well as your push for

Peta

in the PT when you acknowledged that

Cakez/Unwnd

was T/S.

My vote on

Ydra

was largely motivated to consolidate with

Dwlee

when I wasn't convinced of

peta

, began to lose trust in my read on both of you, and didn't think

Cakez

was a slot people entertained.

Granted, I'm annoyed at my play here because I spent half the PT just replying to people to justify my suspicion of

Ydra

, and got frustrated when I felt like people were just dismissing me by staring that

Ydra's

alignment was obvious when it wasn't to me.

And that helped my confbias into a potential

Ydra+Infinity and/or Skitter

mentality at the time.

[Taly]

invisible strategy

Inviaible. I hate phoneposting dkshsksmbsb

[Taly]

INVIABLE. OMG

[Taly]

Ulya, I don't think your assessment is fair. I just don't play the way you would solve here.

okay but you see i am trying to understand the way you would solve here if you are town and you are refusing to answer questions so how am i supposed to assess that other than how i am currently

like yeah i get that everyone is not me and i am not them et cetera but how am i supposed to possibly assess whether what you're doing is solving or not if your response is 'i'm not you and i'm not going to answer any questions'

Fine. I'll be candid. But tomorrow. It's late where I am and I have work.

Skitter, I've felt that I've been very consistent in being pro-Dwlee before the PT occurred. I instinctively trusted their POV of the game at the time beyond the rest of the PT when I otherwise was doubting my own perception of pink team being all town. I figured their tunnel on you/Skitter was an invisible strategy to take as scum because that only harms their credibility by pushing known misims OR if they were a partner of either of you, it would be odd to bus when nobody bit onto the read at the time.

I don't know the context of you and Infinity's history well, so when I read the moment Dwlee saw you two as potential partners (around the moment you suspected Infinity for their tone), it made me rethink your slots because Infinity has been tonally different than town games I've seen before, and I had difficulty parsing your progression as well as your push for Peta in the PT when you acknowledged that Cakez/Unwnd was T/S.

My vote on Ydra was largely motivated to consolidate with Dwlee when I wasn't convinced of peta, began to lose trust in my read on both of you, and didn't think Cakez was a slot people entertained.

Granted, I'm annoyed at my play here because I spent half the PT just replying to people to justify my suspicion of Ydra, and got frustrated when I felt like people were just dismissing me by staring that Ydra's alignment was obvious when it wasn't to me.

And that helped my confbias into a potential Ydra+Infinity and/or Skitter mentality at the time.

i guess the part that i'm having trouble with is why you're kinda molding your pov of the game off of dwlee's here
like that's the bit that i'm not understanding

This requires a mini towncase on my progression toward

Dwlee

, but I wouldn't say I'm molding my POV after them. That implies my intention is disingenuous. More like mindmelding.

[Taly]

Surprised I'm not hard cleared by you

HQ

.

But I think that brings me more relief than not.

[Taly]

Surprised I'm not hard cleared by you

HQ

.

But I think that brings me more relief than not.

Why are you surprised by that? I mean me specifically?

If my alt guess of you is correct, you're one of three people who have bested me in elo as scum.

I figured it would be easy for you to fake a progression that I'm obvtown since you can TMI my alignment without much fear or resistance. But your take is cautious compared to the typical strength you assert your reads.

You're good at feigning nuance though. But your trajectory does not feel so stiff. Mmm.

Anyway, I'm going to bed.

[Taly]

If four successive town players reach the other side before scum make a kill, all scum die.

WAIT

So scum can only die IF they have never made a kill prior to 4 townies crossing in succession.

But that's not just contingent on town crossing, but ALSO whether a kill has been made.

Fucking yikes. Is town auto winning possible here?

Peta

is correct.

VOTE: Peta

I want to vote players I haven't confidently sorted yet but believe are likelier town.

[Taly]

Hmm. Do I want

Gypyx

to cross in 1-4 order or not at all...

[Taly]

Because I've learned nothing from their posts since Event 1.

[Taly]

on a side notes i'm also getting bad feelings from Taly but that's more of an ego read than anything elsz tbh, i'm in need of those

Aww, did I hit a nerve?

[Taly]

I'm trying to gauge whether my issues with

Ulya

are just playstyle.

I think I should ISO analyze

Dunn

and go from there.

[Taly]

I feel antagonistic.

[Taly]

I'm wondering why the

Toog

scumreads are still present. They've played nothing like they were pre-duel.

[Taly]

I'm trying to gauge whether my issues with Ulya are just playstyle.

i don't understand how you now have issues with me

like i had issues with you that were possibly due to playstyle and you refused to help me to see if they were

so now you have issues with me?

I'll get to a reply to your post, sheesh. This is what's vexing me. I can't bring up any thought or prompt without you either trying to get inside my head each moment or proposing I justify myself.

[Taly]

I'm trying to gauge whether my issues with

Ulya

are just playstyle.

I think I should ISO analyze

Dunn

and go from there.

DID I SAY SCUMMY? NO.

[Taly]

I think I'm going to shift away from conversation reading. I don't think it's the best use for this gamestate and I think I'm getting agitated at stupid things.

[Taly]

Peta

, if I were you, my next analysis would be of players who had multiple interactions of

Dunn

but you didn't deduce a clear view of their alignment.

That's how I'm approaching mine.

[Taly]

my wack take on cakez isn’t that he bussed dunn (he feels different from ffixv i was being funny)

it was that he saw me getting fired up and getting townread and then mimicked me doing that for townreads

my wack take on cakez isn’t that he bussed dunn (he feels different from ffixv i was being funny)

it was that he saw me getting fired up and getting townread and then mimicked me doing that for townreads

Spoiler:

i actually thought this might have been the case at the time and was part of why i briefly tunneled him

the issue for me seeing it was like “i did it first” and then “i did it with substance and it didn’t feel like cakez did”

hey ydrasse

who's scum

(you/skitter) 1 here
toog
gypyx (?)

i trust cakez gamma harley taly
maybe ulyana maaaaybe dwlee
i want to believe goolord is town

Big T/T vibes.

[Taly]

Gamma

, I do not follow your progression with

peta

these past 2 phases.

You surmised solves where they were in a team.

And now you defend their play upon being a nom and regard them as strong town. Intuitively,

Infinity

flipping town would deter this conclusion?

Also, I'd rather be in the 7th or 8th spot of a crossing than 5th or 6th but will concede begrudgingly to the majority.

[Taly]

I get mindfucked so hard everytime someone suggests that they get left behind.

[Taly]

Here ya go.

My first 4 across would be Cakez, dwlee, Gamma, and then myself, in that order. If no one dies, and game isn't over, well, we at least have something to talk about.

First plan you've given this event that I'm actually pretty OK with.

[Taly]

Here ya go.

My first 4 across would be Cakez, dwlee, Gamma, and then myself, in that order. If no one dies, and game isn't over, well, we at least have something to talk about.

First plan you've given this event that I'm actually pretty OK with.

I’m not. I’d really like to get my top TRs across (myself, peta, Taly, skitter, Ggy)
This plan only just leaves enough room for them and I’d really rather purge as many of my actual SRs as possible rather than people I’m just somewhat worried about atp

The volume of shit fights, WIFOM from PT and event endings, and lukewarm townreads (if any) on these slots are what sells it to me.

We either bait a suspected town NK or we get a definitive PoE, or we just win - which I don't think is out of the realm of possibility.

[Taly]

HURT: toog, gypyx, dwlee, (harley/cakez)

my desired order would be something like

(whichever of cakez/HQ isn't left out)
ulyana
ydrasse
(skitter+Ggy in either order)
Taly
(me+Peta in either order)

Why unsure on

HQ/Cakez

?

[Taly]

Still unsure of my order.

I know I want

ydra/peta/gammagooey

to cross later than sooner but if we go with

Toog's

plan, then I end up with less than 4 being uncrowded.

Mmm.

[Taly]

Pre-analysis,

peta/ydra

are top tier townreads and I don't know what this game is anymore.

[Taly]

Pre-analysis,

peta/ydra

are top tier townreads and I don't know what this game is anymore.

Wait

Ydra

why do you trust me?

There's been a good bit of mention that I campaigned to nom you in the Pink PT but you didn't seem so frustrated by my progression.

[Taly]

Were you in the Boonietoons game where I was in a hydra with

Titus - The Pelican Brief

?

[Taly]

Lol does that change your perception of me at all?

[Taly]

I believe you.

[Taly]

I'll reread that game soon but you seem more versatile and less stiff in this game.

Also, your progression just now read to me as uninformed. Just what I wanted to clarify.

[Taly]

I'm starting to dislike trying to identify a set order. I think that feeds scum too much info.

And I frankly doubt that everybody will keep their reads as this event progresses. So it feels counterintuitive to completely leave town in highest confidence later. We risk heavy weight town uncrossed - or at least a highly contentious "who is better to cross."

There's also the issue with putting a bunch of lower confidence townreads first. Scum isn't necessarily incentived to kill unless 1 of them crosses early, and low-to-mid PoE on everybody's list will likely contain a scum among a bunch of mislimmable town. This creates a tumultuous PoE rife with WIFOM, and doesn't provide a strong safeguard to town crossing later.

I would suggest we rotate our crossing motives, but I almost feel that that can also be abused.

Everybody is voicing the same 3-4 people that they are ok with uncrossing. So why does nobody agree on who should cross?

[Taly]

Scum isn't necessarily incentived to kill ,

if

1 of them crosses early,

This is better wording on my part.

[Taly]

I also don't want to hypothesize what rotation of motives we choose until each cross has completed. We just need a consensus when we have to.

[Taly]

pedit i think scum is always incentivized to kill because why wouldn't they take a kill offered, no?

I'd argue there a better kills for scum than others in this plist.

[Taly]

VOTE: Taly

I'm back to wanting this. The objective at it's simplest form to is have town at every turn cross regardless of risk, so I'm starting with myself.

[Taly]

I either bait the NK and resolve my slot or I gain tons of info about the gamestate and have the life to parse it.

[Taly]

Scum loses somehow, I'm sure.

[Taly]

Plan: make scummiest 4 people go first. Send 8 remaining people we think are town through in a townie -> scummy -> townie ordering.

...

why not just send the four towniest people?

i dont think its much of a question that towniest 4 times should go thru

i ... dont think there's a way to cheese this tbh

like if we send three "moderately" towny people across and the fourth is killed, like, what do we do with that info? softclear someone who could be scum?

we send four ubertowny people across? scum just bumps one off

you could send 4 scummy people across and see if any get killed in case there's like 3 chad deepwolves or s/t but also, that just means youre potentially sending across 3 scum to survive

ragh

okay im going to suggest something to everyone

i have suggested this as scum in another game, but i want to know if people think there's merit in speedrunning this after a certain point, of like

hammering out votes to send people through to not let the stagehands have time to react of who is best kill

If four successive town players reach the other side before scum make a kill, all scum die.

wait does this mean that if scum makes a kill at any point town can no longer trigger the four successive town players clause?

send four across (1 dies) + 4 more townies i think

I don't think scum goes through 3-4 different ideas about how to tackle this event in-thread and all the while discussing it with multiple players. I mean, scum is capable of this, but there's no player-driven agenda that

Ydra

accompanies with this, so there's nothing that directly associates her thought progression in a way that could be scum-motivated.

There's also a moment where she even mentions choosing crosses so quickly that scum cannot respond effectively, and that's a ballsy POV from scum that does not align with

Ydra's

otherwise relaxed demeanor.

[Taly]

because ...

There's also a moment where she even mentions choosing crosses so quickly that scum cannot respond effectively, and that's a ballsy POV from scum that does not align with Ydra's otherwise relaxed demeanor.

in the same post she literally said scum-her had suggested something similar in a differnet game

This adds to my point, I feel. Why would scum admit such?

[Taly]

sorry the because was to HQ, not you @taly

i'm saying that you can't townread her for 'that being too ballsy for scum-her to suggest' when we have an example of scum-her doing exactly that
and i think it's well in her range to mention that too

(to be clear i'm not saying i scumread her for it or that she is scum because of this, i'm saying this is a silly reason to townread her)

So you're familiar with

Ydra

, what's your read on them?

[Taly]

why nobody want me to cross and potentially fall to an anticlimactic death

[Taly]

Still unsure of my order.

I know I want

ydra/peta/gammagooey

to cross later than sooner but if we go with

Toog's

plan, then I end up with less than 4 being uncrowded.

Mmm.

the math on this seems wrong
(me, toog, dwlee, cakez) + (ydra, peta, ggy) + you = 8 people crossing, leaving (ulya, skitts, HQ, gypyx)
is there anyone in that last group you TR? If not I'm gonna mark those down as the ones you don't want to cross so I can have an entry from you in my spreadsheet I'm using to math out the consensus of who gets left out

Ulya's

been the longest running townread, may change upon analysis but as I am skimming

Dunn's

ISO, he likely TMI'd her.

My scumread of

HQ

is based on a meta-take that I don't think digressing is beneficial, and I don't even want to admit it because I'm still thinking about how much it actually fits in reality and I do not want anybody to influence my progression on this.

I can actually see a

Prism

-scum narrative but think it's unlikely, I just dislike

Gypyx's

ISO and feel kind of weird how he became an overnight universal scumread.

why nobody want me to cross and potentially fall to an anticlimactic death

if you answer my question I'll vote for you

Kind of feels weird you want to bargain with me on this but oh well.

[Taly]

Me on

Skitter

rn

[Taly]

I don't think I can give a reliable answer on who I want uncrossed until we do like... 3 crosses at least, and I'm honestly sus on people who think I should give one.

[Taly]

Still unsure of my order.

I know I want

ydra/peta/gammagooey

to cross later than sooner but if we go with

Toog's

plan, then I end up with less than 4 being uncrowded.

Mmm.

the math on this seems wrong
(me, toog, dwlee, cakez) + (ydra, peta, ggy) + you = 8 people crossing, leaving (ulya, skitts, HQ, gypyx)
is there anyone in that last group you TR? If not I'm gonna mark those down as the ones you don't want to cross so I can have an entry from you in my spreadsheet I'm using to math out the consensus of who gets left out

Ulya's

been the longest running townread, may change upon analysis but as I am skimming

Dunn's

ISO, he likely TMI'd her.

My scumread of

HQ

is based on a meta-take that I don't think digressing is beneficial, and I don't even want to admit it because I'm still thinking about how much it actually fits in reality and I do not want anybody to influence my progression on this.

I can actually see a

Prism

-scum narrative but think it's unlikely, I just dislike

Gypyx's

ISO and feel kind of weird how he became an overnight universal scumread.

why nobody want me to cross and potentially fall to an anticlimactic death

if you answer my question I'll vote for you

Kind of feels weird you want to bargain with me on this but oh well.

Wait, what? When did that happen? I’m very disappointed in you in that case.

haha, I don't want to face his AtE.

My scumread is not new, the reasons changed from surface-level

"me no like

saber

/ me no like entrance"

And I don't even want to assert it because you've made towny posts this phase, the main thing is that I think you're a strong scum player and do not know where your range ends.

I don't think I can give a reliable answer on who I want uncrossed until we do like... 3 crosses at least, and I'm honestly sus on people who think I should give one.

But I haven’t done that.

Did not say you did.

[Taly]

Can I not get hammered before I make at least my

Dunn

ISO analysis and

peta

goes through more analyses?

[Taly]

WAIT

TWEETIE!!!!

IF SOMEONE CROSSES, ARE THEY UNABLE TO SPEAK UNTIL EVERYBIDY ELSE CROSSES?

I ASK BECAUSE I FORGOT EVENT 4 HAD A SECRET BALLOT AND TILTED.

Crossed and crossing players continue to discuss and vote for the remainder of the event. They simply cannot be voted for.

uhhh Taly, did you forget this?

I might die, lol. I mean, I'm guessing we find out if someone successfully crosses after the vote, even if the event does not end?

TWEETIE, CONFIRM? Will we see a possible kill occur right after someone is voted to cross?

p-edit

I don't think I can give a reliable answer on who I want uncrossed until we do like... 3 crosses at least, and I'm honestly sus on people who think I should give one.

i'm not sure why that would change your perspective?

Because I can't make the assumption that my reads are 100% accurate or that me voting ensures that someone is crossed, or - if we do actually see a cross result after each vote - unexpected results may alter my viewpoint.

[Taly]

OK, were you a player in

Merchant's Daughter

? We can be candid, you don't have to out yourself any further than what you're comfortable with, but answering this will help me.

[Taly]

why does voting taly thru feel like a mistake lol

What about it feels like a mistake? My perspective on it, the reasons I should cross, or the potential results?

[Taly]

personally if i was going to throw myself into a situation ingame where i was facing potential death i would want to have reads hammered out, wifom about eating the kill be damned

All right, I'll read more, post less.

[Taly]

UNVOTE:

omg I need to stop being conversational, I want to do analysis but I don't have the attention span

Someone force me to stfu and ISO.

[Taly]

*emotionally breaks down*

[Taly]

*emotionally breaks down*

[Taly]

don't worry it's far more light hearted and fickle than it sounds

[Taly]

TWEETIE, CONFIRM? Will we see a possible kill occur right after someone is voted to cross?

A kill may occur on a player who is "crossing" once the next player is nominated to cross.

How long does crossing take?!

Like, is it until the NEXT cross decision?

Or is it until the event itself ends?

[Taly]

UNVOTE:

omg I need to stop being conversational, I want to do analysis but I don't have the attention span

Someone force me to stfu and ISO.

i still don't have a good read on you and feel vaguely apprehensive but

let's try working together to go over people? i want someone to use as a sounding board this game and was hoping to use cakez but it seems like he doesn't have the time, and you seem to be the only other person with a strong inclination to tryhard right now. i want to feel like i'm not totally isolated in this game

Sure I'll reply in detail to your

Dunn

analysis to start and will not post again until that is out.

[Taly]

i'm gonna start with dunn's iso because it's short and i will have an easier time focusing on it. this is going to be a more raw note taking style rather than working things into legible conclusions so as to be presentable, not how i'd normally post things but i'm just going to try to be as open with my process as i can be right now even if it is not necessarily the most readable and ventures into IIoA territory because i want to be thorough.

the interactions from dunn should be taken as supplemental to main reads on players rather than being the entire basis for a read. some of this stuff probably won't be important/readable. doesn't matter

173 - "And your motive is what?" to Taly

I saw this response as ignoring my 172 post entirely, but didn't think it AI.

175 - reply to dwlee about speculating on mechanics of first even, in response to something pooky said

177 is a significant post because it follows the narrative that scum actually wanted to drive scummy players into this decision. I remember

Saber

making a similar post.

Makes me think

Gamma

was the perfect player regardless of alignment. Theoretically, a scum-kingmaker makes a bus look attractive in retrospect, and scumread-town-kingmaker is good if the player doesn't PoE many town VS LHF or biased reads against other townies. I don't think all 4 scum was on him versus

Galron

, though.

That's not me agreeing with the post, I'm not sure scum would be able to sabotage in a way that is "get an extra kill" for balance reasons

I wonder if this is

Dunn

saying that scum knew they couldn't kill multiple players.

206 - "your reasoning doesn't add up here", shade in response to Cakez

This pushes my idea to

Gamma

-town because why would scum-

Dunn

incriminate themselves by pushing

Cakez

for wanting to trust a

Prism

-kingmaker but vote

Gamma

later?

This assumes

Dunn

is so consistent in scumplay, but the suspicion of

Cakez

at first glance isn't odd. I mean, why would

Dunn

indirectly argue V

Prism

-kingmaker if they were S/S?

208 - sarcastic eyeroll "i was scum in that game" in response to Toogeloo

Fluff.

210 - "I didn't want to believe that everybody advocating for self votes was town" this is an interesting comment. to my memory, the people who had been advocating some form of self vote, whether joking or not were prism/pooky/taly. i haven't fact checked this but if i had to make a snap judgment here i would say that this means the people who had been advocating some form of self vote in the early game

are

town

Love this take.

Dunn

seems to have a flaw in his scumplay of TMI'ing. I feel like his intent in the post above is to intercept credit on

Me/Pooky/Taly

by voting

Pooky

, questioning my motive, and barking at

Cakez

for pushing

Prism

.

It doesn't feel like he actually believes in his thought but is simply finding a reason to allow suspicion on a slot, I say this as there was no question or follow-up thought to illustrate anything deeper.

He could be distancing from

Prism

scumbuddy as to focus on a player like

Cakez

rather than

Prism

, but nothing else in his ISO suggests this.

218 - "what kill?" in response to dwlee
219 - "How am I supposed to interperet this?" in response to dwlee making a comment about among us mafia

Could be either way with his alignment with

Dwlee

. He shows little desire to resolve

Dunn

or inform him.

i325 - "So do you think the 3 in 290 are scum or not?" in response to gamma's early post voting pooky. questioning/joining the pile-on

This is really, really awkward as fuck. Because on one hand,

Dunn

could be testing the waters to get a green light to scumread

Gamma's

PoE because he doesn't actually have a stated position of these players, or push

Gamma

over backlash. Positing.

Kind of vexed that this flies over

Gamma's

head, slight negative on

Gamma

here but does

Dunn

-scum do this to a buddy so early?

415 - shading toogeloo over a joke post suggesting a galron elimination

Still don't get much from this

Toog

interaction.

416 - Galron asks why we're eliminating someone less than 24 hours into the game, dunn says "we're just voting" in response. nothing reply but maybe slightly unaligning just for the fact that he bothered to respond to him at all

Yeah this doesn't feel like scum/scum. I feel like

Dunn

would've formulated a stance rather than give an

"lol cause"

thought to a townie because it's passable.

417 - "I don't get why Gamma is tilted all of a sudden"

Stiff. Feels like scum painting an unfortunate narrative to a towny? It doesn't feel distance-y because it is met without resistance. I don't think scum challenges scum and then nothing happens usually, especially when

Gamma

is the main topic and a current suspect right now, so it's doubly easier for

Dunn

-scum to project the method of a kingmaker in a town-

Gamma

that is acting impulsively.

418 - this seems to be a response addressed to gamma despite quoting Galron, saying "We had a problem with your viewpoint, not the fact that you were playing serious"

This gives

Dunn/Gamma

coach-vibes but why does

Dunn

bother if

Gamma

was likely being nominated and S/S would want to have a kill in their pocket?

419 - re-quoting his old post and voting cakez. i think this is overall a good look for cakez

I'm inclined to agree but it feels premature at this moment.

1015 - cakez says "that said I see where you're coming from re; it not adding up for you" in response to dunn, dunn says "I'm not sure that you do?".

i think this is a very good look for cakez

Can you elaborate why

Peta

?

1031 - "I'm interested in hearing about Cephrir being scummy" in response to Prism's reads list. mild town points for that slot, i think

I can see that. It is likelier that

Dunn

wants to progress a TvT rather than encourage a buddy to sus somewhere other than where he is, because

Dunn

leaves the implication that he might vote

Ceph

in the end.

1035 - "Without looking at meta I disagree with this read" in response to Gamma voting ulyana

A little odd to defend

Ulya

because they don't seem in too much a threat either way but I'm wondering the motive on why scum defends scum here.

1049 - "I'm evil because I disagree with you is a lame take" in response to Gamma's

Hahaha, I'm far more interested in

Saber's

1047 being a soft-defense of

Dunn

and redirection to

Infinity/Skitter/Ydra

.

1040. the previous shade is iffy but

Do you think

Gamma/Saber

S/S is ever a reality,

Peta

? I know that implies

Dunn/Gamma/Saber

but

Dunn/Saber

either really wanted one of their own as a king, or manipulated a lot of

Gamma's

progression Event 1. Which is likelier?

1055 - this is shade on ceph, which is not relevant because ceph is dead but the form is at least notable as we see

Gamma

killed

Ceph

when

Galron

didn't work, hmmmm.

1082/1090 - response to Taly about how there's no power roles so there's no need to announce intent to hammer on Gamma Emerald, followed with a comment about how not every game needs to be painful, seemingly urging people to end the day.

i think that this is a good look for gamma unless we assume some amount of 5D chess taking place here, he seems to want to push people to kill gamma but is not positioning himself to take credit for a bus or anything of the sort

Dunn

pressed me here. :/ I agree with your take.

1093[post] - arguing with ceph, just taking note of this here because i do think dunn tends to interact/argue with his partners less

What little meta I have, this is likely correct on

Dunn

. Very muted as scum.

[post=1111]1111 - E-1 vote on Gamma Emerald

1420/1421 - posts on gamma voting himself into the chair. these are the ones pooky caught him on. honestly, the massive hedge here on gamma's alignment is something i would not say is a good look for gamma. in a vacuum it'd seem partnery. but it's just a single data point, other things look good

Perhaps let's look at

Saber/HQ

and another player's ISO after this?

At this point, it could just be

Dunn

backtracking from any set agenda, but I'm not leaving partner-interaction off the table, just unlikely with the surrounding posts.

1423 - "What happened to the multiple people who were willing to hammer Gamma?"
1464 - response to taly clarifying statements about gamma. "I'm pointing out that he had a chance to get into the chair if he wanted to"
1467 - response to pooky about gamma

that he felt the need to respond to both of these questions about his stance is mildly +town for taly given we know pooky was asking something similar

It just felt unnaturally pushy on his end. I don't know why he felt the desire to just hammer

Gamma

before he thread was fully ready. It felt like

Gamma

-king was pre-emptive in retrospect and I only picked this up on a surface level and didn't think to follow further.

1472 - "I'm not sure what you're getting at but I never said any of that." in response to Taly
1486 - response to Taly I think, of trying to explain himself about the wagon falling apart
1491 - clarification about who 1090 was aimed at

This never pacified my read on

Dunn

, btw. Words did not align with tone, but I didn't feel strong enough to assert, I also was focused on sorting

Ulya

.

1877 - gamma asks dunn about why he's responded to certain things, dunn gives a fairly neutral answer about not having read the whole game and

i, again, don't really like this that much for gamma. the question feels like a softball and dunn's response doesn't feel threatened

I don't feel one way or the other here.

Gamma

could be sincere in trying to identify his major vex but misses the mark.

At the same time I can see your POV, this is after

Gamma's

choices, and

Dunn

was well in his PoE.

1878 - "How many times this game has it been made clear that there are no town prs?" in response to Galron making a comment about a town PR dying. i don't want to rest too firmly on it but i'm not sure he'd be so quick to cut down a partner's fake dumbtell

It is anti-partnery and aligns with the T/S dynamic of

Dunn/Galron

I mentioned earlier in this post.

Makes me glad I came to the conclusion of

Dunn/(anyone but Unwnd)

duel.

1882 - there's an interaction with gamma here, 1881 initiating this. i think "ulyana is one of my only townreads in the game" is +town for ulyana simply because dunn would not feel like he would have the thread position to hard defend a partner. gamma again looks a bit weak from the interaction here, 1883 is obviously underwhelming.

I can see this... but it's interesting because this proposes a gamestate that scum have early-on been either protecting their buddy

Ulya

or just defending her as town unnecessarily.

Reminds me of the townreads I got early game.

~~~

I'll review the rest of your post tomorrow

Peta

.

[Taly]

Event 1, basically



The bus drive is scum, the passengers are town. Gamma is Regina George.

[Taly]

GALRON

IS

CADY

LMFAO

[Taly]

that's not to metaphorically suggest

gamma

is scum, I actually think that points more to the contrary but jury still out.

[Taly]

WITH WHO LEADING THE WAGON THAT GAVE YOU THE GUN

[Taly]

sorry that was overly aggressive

my oh my, it's past my bedtime

and now i bid you all goodnight

[Taly]

Peta

, you are a treat to play with

[Taly]

Spoiler: lol spoilers

VOTE: Taly this is fine

@Gamma atm I want to leave Toog, Uly, Harley, Gypyx

why would mafia randomly gang up on you here?

a) it could just be one as i said, but i don't think mafia would not participate in as a whole, though two-three definitely seems possible if trying to win game here

and

b) to stop me from crossing? like it's one less slot that could be occupied by mafia and they get rid of me and they limit my participation in choosing who should cross by making it seem like i'm scumread it's not super complicated

ok but you're arguing that like there's some conspiracy here and it just seems like dressed up OMGUS

cakez why do you want to get rid of ulyana

i am probably most confident in you being town right now but i don't really see that read, other than non-interaction with dunn but in my coverage that could apply to a significant number of people so i don't think it's really telling, and there are some signs from his iso that are +town for her

what are these signs?

I just dislike Gypyx's ISO and feel kind of weird how he became an overnight universal scumread.

I don't really SR Gypyx but they are a slot who needs to go before late-game so this is the time to cut them

UNVOTE:

omg I need to stop being conversational, I want to do analysis but I don't have the attention span

Someone force me to stfu and ISO.

i still don't have a good read on you and feel vaguely apprehensive but

let's try working together to go over people? i want someone to use as a sounding board this game and was hoping to use cakez but it seems like he doesn't have the time, and you seem to be the only other person with a strong inclination to tryhard right now. i want to feel like i'm not totally isolated in this game

yes use Taly
I only really have time to come to each game a couple times a day at most these days

Nah, sorry

Cakez

. The charm of being the first person to cross has worn off.

I want to ride this solve-with-

Peta

vibing for as long as it goes. Plus, his advice was sound. If I risk my death, it's better that I spilled my guts on the game as much as possible, and I hate doing that in the dead thread.

Also because

Gammagooey

doubling down and EMPHASIZING that I am the

only

person he thus far wants to attach a crossing order to, piques my interest immensely. I honestly trust it.

And because

Ydra

being like

"tHiS iS a MiStAkE"

made me double-take when I first read it.

VOTE: Dwlee, I initially thought

Gamma

, but

Gamma/Ydra/Cakez/Toog

all joining to vote me both gives me fuzzy vibes and also something I want to pay attention to.

Hell, I'd probably vote

Gamma

if someone told me to.

[Taly]

Taly/gooyey/Peta: please all regale me with your impressive scumhunting abilities (assuming you’re all town, well still pretty sure Taly still is) and tell me who my hypothetical buddies are?

*crickets*

*bookmarking this post when none of you have an answer*



When people realize that I don’t make sense as buddies with ANYONE, that will be priceless.

I’ll wait.

But, but

Harley

!

I don't scumread you anymore!

[Taly]

But, but

Harley

!

I don't scumread you anymore!

Please go back to WKing my slot so I can feel protected knowing I have a chance to make the cut for 8th crossing!