Slaughter Hour: The Grand Debut! | Fin

[Dwlee99]

Thread motivation? Nothing productive is happening right now that couldn't be improved by knowing a flip. Seriously, people are doing twice as much work here trying to plan for two different worlds when they could get a flip and only do one of the worlds

[Dwlee99]

Such a waste of time

[Dwlee99]

I have a theory that peta might actually be scum. Preventing me from working through it when peta is the other nominee is extremely anti-town at the very least.

But he isn't

Infinity is much more likely to be scum

[Dwlee99]

Do not unvote. I will spam the thread saying to start it, idc

[Dwlee99]

Correct, actually

[Dwlee99]

Peta's Dunn vote - actually probably a mindmeld with my thoughts at the time with getting Dunn out, cause I just said "yea we should do this" and Peta seemed to get to the same conclusion independently without referencing my post

Infinity - sheeping peta's post

[Dwlee99]

Toog/Skitter/Ydrasse?

[Dwlee99]

Toog/Skitter seems most plausible as infinity partners imo

Who are peta's partners?

[Dwlee99]

Please shiki please please please

[Dwlee99]

Toog/Skitter/Ydrasse?

soooo i would have... been okay with dunn dying and then also okay with infinity dying + pushing her and then also pushing toog and wanting his head too

and then also letting skitter hard defend me while making her job extraordinarily hard by doing not a lot

You're the least likely on those names imo

I guess I could throw Harley as a possible infinity partner

[Dwlee99]

What happened in ss4

What are the alignment implications here

[Dwlee99]

So you were trying to get voted out as scum, why?

[Dwlee99]

The god solve is just toog/skitter/infinity imo

If none of these are scum I'll sheep someone until I don't feel like it anymore

[Dwlee99]

I mean unless you think I'm scum or Cakez is then it isn't scum hurrying the vote

[Dwlee99]

I could have made not Peta happen in Pink I'm p sure

[Dwlee99]

I feel like this rush to start only happened after I unvoted to start

I feel like you're going to hard overthink so kinda related

[Dwlee99]

You ever see Mastina make a huge wall posts and it's like "here all the reasons x is scum" and idk it's really big. And you read it and you're like okay sure these are a ton of legit reasons, I'll sheep the fuck out of that. And then the person flips town

That's what I think is going to happen to people doing way too much analysis

[Dwlee99]

I feel like this rush to start only happened after I unvoted to start

I feel like you're going to hard overthink so kinda related

How so

You're poising to do a ton of legwork and analysis that you could just not do instead

[Dwlee99]

You ever see Mastina make a huge wall posts and it's like "here all the reasons x is scum" and idk it's really big. And you read it and you're like okay sure these are a ton of legit reasons, I'll sheep the fuck out of that. And then the person flips town

That's what I think is going to happen to people doing way too much analysis

but uh, with regards to who? peta? infinity? this relatable but i don’t see how it’s applicable

Gamma's infinity wall but reverse

Or how Gamma seems ready to make a case for the team with Peta in it

[Dwlee99]

But peta shouldn't be the flip

[Dwlee99]

Convincing cases are often not the ones most accurate imo

[Dwlee99]

How could peta flipping town reveal the entire team here

[Dwlee99]

Toog/Skitter/Ydrasse?

soooo i would have... been okay with dunn dying and then also okay with infinity dying + pushing her and then also pushing toog and wanting his head too

and then also letting skitter hard defend me while making her job extraordinarily hard by doing not a lot

You're the least likely on those names imo

I guess I could throw Harley as a possible infinity partner

You’re kidding right? I’ve made it very clear that I would vote Infinty over Peta. I’m just saying that I lack confidence she’s scum, so sue me.

More about her reaction to you not the other way around

[Dwlee99]

How could peta flipping town reveal the entire team here

Town!Peta isn't omniscient, for one

Pedit: okay I'm gonna take a break for the day

[Dwlee99]

What’s your thought on my Toog/Cakez/Dwlee solve idea?

I tell you not to go overanalyze and overthink

and you come back with this

sigh

[Dwlee99]

It might just be as simple as dwlee/cakez/toog

see Gamma I know you've overthinking stuff because this is not a "simple" solve like you say here

[Dwlee99]

What benefit does that solve get from starting the vote. It's not like a me/cakez/toog team would be concerned about peta getting killed over infinity? Why would we care? That's not "simple" at all. And uh

ISOs seem to show that it’s you guys pretty clearly

this is exactly what I'm talking about. Your solve involves dunn doing a shitty cakez push, me hard pushing dunn, and then demanding the toog/dunn duel gets hammered which would be a guaranteed dead scum.

[Dwlee99]

That's not SIMPLE, so yea you're way overthinking this if you think that's simple

[Dwlee99]

Sorry infinity

VOTE: Skitter

[Dwlee99]

Plan: make scummiest 4 people go first. Send 8 remaining people we think are town through in a townie -> scummy -> townie ordering.

[Dwlee99]

Oh I misread it. Didn't realize that not everyone got to cross

UNVOTE:

[Dwlee99]

I was trying to maximize the chance that we got 4 town in a row through. New plan is just to go towniest -> scummiest I guess? Hmm not sure

[Dwlee99]

Yea towniest -> scummiest is how we should do this.

VOTE: Dwlee

[Dwlee99]

Oh we should do 3 towniest, 1 low level town read, then 4 more in towniest order?

[Dwlee99]

Cause we either get a parity check or scum are forced to kill someone who is only sort of townie.

[Dwlee99]

er wait, scum could just kill the first person going through

So we actually want to send the bottom four of the pool of 8 we want through first

UNVOTE:

[Dwlee99]

Split playerlist in 8 : 4, where the top 8 are the towniest. Then order the 8 in reverse towniness from least likely town to most likely. Send them through.

[Dwlee99]

okay im going to suggest something to everyone

i have suggested this as scum in another game, but i want to know if people think there's merit in speedrunning this after a certain point, of like

hammering out votes to send people through to not let the stagehands have time to react of who is best kill

Cause we have to send 8 through and scum can queue it up I don't think this is a great idea

[Dwlee99]

I highly encourage all of you to consider sending only the 5 most (6 in the event of a kill) over and let everyone else die.

Running the timer out?

[Dwlee99]

No we can't. Deadline is for choosing a person, not for game ending.

[Dwlee99]

dwlee might i request you vibecheck toogeloo in comparison to final fantasy

Did I vibecheck toogeloo there? I thought I thought they were scum for a while that game

[Dwlee99]

no i meant like how do you think they compare?

Oh hm

I don't really do meta

But I'll try for you

[Dwlee99]

Statuses 5.0.0

 

The game will end once 4 uncrossed remain.

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Decision 5.0.0

 

With 12 contestants, it takes 7 to send someone across! You may only vote for uncrossed players.

If a decision is not made by deadline, plurality is in effect, broken by seniority. The deadline is in:

(expired on 2021-11-01 18:51:22)

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@toog

[Dwlee99]

no i meant like how do you think they compare?

Oh hm

I don't really do meta

But I'll try for you

Twirls

~twirls

[Dwlee99]

I think the 4 consecutive town thing only applies before scum makes a kill. Which is why I suggested doing a reverse order of scummiest -> towniest in a pool of 8

[Dwlee99]

"if a decision is not made by deadline, plurality is in effect, broken by seniority"

I need to go read final fantasy again for ydrasse I'll be back later

[Dwlee99]

~twirls back into thread~

Ydrasse, I think if I had to bet my life on toogeloo's alignment I'd first say "no please don't kill me if I get this wrong" but then when they nudged me with the gun I'd guess scum. Frequentist statisticians btfo

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee/Ydrasse/Gammagooey

, I recruit your services I helping me read

Peta

.

I vote town

[Dwlee99]

~twirls back into thread~

Ydrasse, I think if I had to bet my life on toogeloo's alignment I'd first say "no please don't kill me if I get this wrong" but then when they nudged me with the gun I'd guess scum. Frequentist statisticians btfo

Actually maybe frequentist statisticans were right. Town?

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee/Ydrasse/Gammagooey

, I recruit your services I helping me read

Peta

.

...

hey gamma

[Dwlee99]

Y'all I have too many townreads

help

[Dwlee99]

Yea to be clear that post was not something I copied from infinity or anyone. I just typed it. I have nothing against infinity and I like them as a person, I just thought they were scum here for tonal reasons which I guess I was wrong about but I'm not gloating about it by trying to make posts like that and I'm a little annoyed that you think I would do that to disrespect someone

[Dwlee99]

oh i wasn't noting it for the reasons that gamma emerald expanded on i just thought it was noteworthy that you were saying something that infinity had said there not speculating on reasoning for i got distracted by other things before i even got that far

The you wasn't directed at you, I didn't think you were implying that

[Dwlee99]

It's at gamma who specifically said I was doing that

[Dwlee99]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87769
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=87818
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87440
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=87058
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86913

[Dwlee99]

I'm at a 90% confidence on I know what gamma is gonna do here so let's see what happens lol

[Dwlee99]

@Dwlee

who would you leave out of the crossing if it were up to you atp?

I'm gonna answer this tomorrow because I decided I'm resetting my reads to purely today which means 1.) Mentally doing that and 2.) Rereading to fill in the blank space left

[Dwlee99]

The 8 to cross should go in scummiest -> towniest order

[Dwlee99]

The 8 to cross should go in scummiest -> towniest order

why
and whatever we do we should definitely try to slam through the first 4 because it'll only be so long before scum wise up

Because if scum don't kill in first 4 it's a parity check. Doing it in that order means we are less likely to have mafia kill the towniest person but instead they have to kill someone moderately townie

[Dwlee99]

@Dwlee

who would you leave out of the crossing if it were up to you atp?

I'm gonna answer this tomorrow because I decided I'm resetting my reads to purely today which means 1.) Mentally doing that and 2.) Rereading to fill in the blank space left

how is this going btw

I've been on campus all day still

The 8 to cross should go in scummiest -> towniest order

And who determines how scummy people are?

me

[Dwlee99]

Anyone have suggestions for completely wiping my brain

[Dwlee99]

But my brain is having trouble wiping my preconceived reads on slots. How do I just reeval

[Dwlee99]

<insert one person from the bottom>
SirCakez
Toogeloo
Peta
Taly
Ydrasse
Dwlee99
Gamma Emerald

ulyana
Harley Quinn
skitter30
Gypyx
Gammagooey

I started rereading from event start and then town binned people occasionally and got to this point at page 179. Thoughts?

I also ordered the top list in terms of order I think we should cross with. So feel free to discuss that

UNVOTE:

[Dwlee99]

I'm really torn between including Harley or ulyana in the top list. I feel good about letting skitter / Gypyx/ gammagooey dying

[Dwlee99]

skitter30 and Toogeloo voted peta

I voted ydrasse

Infinity 324 voted gammagooey

ulyana voted for Gypyx

Taly wasn't voting

Pink votes

[Dwlee99]

That’s about what I expected from you, Dwlee.

Glad I met expectations lol

[Dwlee99]

Ulyana
SirCakez
Toogeloo
Peta
Taly
Ydrasse
Dwlee99
Gamma Emerald

Harley Quinn
skitter30
Gypyx
Gammagooey

Y'all ready to just plow through this?
VOTE: Ulyana

[Dwlee99]

More than ulya? Y/N

[Dwlee99]

Here's my reasoning: If Gypyx is town, Harley has a good chance of being scum. If Harley is town then the other way around. Makes sense to put both in then

[Dwlee99]

I mean I could swap Ulta/Harley or peta and one of them. We can discuss it more but do we agree that we just need to pick 2 of Ulta/Harley/Peta and agree on everything else?

[Dwlee99]

It's possible all three are town and my list is still right ftr

[Dwlee99]

I mean I could swap Ulta/Harley or peta and one of them. We can discuss it more but do we agree that we just need to pick 2 of Ulta/Harley/Peta and agree on everything else?

Pick for leaving behind? Because we’re not leaving peta behind here, nuh uh.

2 to keep

[Dwlee99]

nunununu i cant really post because occupied and phone but dwlee now using “reevaluating” to possibly exclude me after treating me as definitely town for pink pt is !!!!! like something is definitely afoot

like how would this happen with multiple people most of whom dwlee included haven’t given reasoning and when they have it was literally the posts of a flipped mafia

What does the second line even mean

And you can complain about my reeval but I literally just reread this game phase and started townbinning people if their day start was good to me or mindmelded with me in some way

[Dwlee99]

Here's my reasoning: If Gypyx is town, Harley has a good chance of being scum. If Harley is town then the other way around. Makes sense to put both in then

Very simple, you flip me first because I will flip town and then my reads will get taken seriously. It seems that few people are willing to listen to me while I’m alive, so my reads will get the respect they didn’t once I’m dead and I’m good with that.

the problem there is that if the three mafias get across no ones reads matter anyway because 4:3 (assuming they kill someone crossing) with a sabotage still like they playing to win here that’s why shift

Do you think my entire bottom four is town? If not then why this paranoia that I'm going for a winning play here?

This completely tanks my read of you, I think my list is right and now you have to panic to try to get it shaken up because otherwise you just lose all or almost all of your scum buddies in one fell swoop.

[Dwlee99]

It's also funny because I had you included in the top one before ydrasse wanted harley moved up there but now I'm definitely listening to her on this

[Dwlee99]

Ulyana
SirCakez
Toogeloo
Peta
Taly
Ydrasse
Dwlee99
Gamma Emerald

Harley Quinn
skitter30
Gypyx
Gammagooey

Y'all ready to just plow through this?
VOTE: Ulyana

Harley Quinn
SirCakez
Toogeloo
Peta
Taly
Ydrasse
Dwlee99
Gamma Emerald

Ulyana
skitter30
Gypyx
Gammagooey

VOTE: Harley quinn

Quoted post should not make you panic if you're town here imo

[Dwlee99]

Do you think the bottom four of my list are all town?

[Dwlee99]

If the bottom four are town then who is scum in my list

UNVOTE:

[Dwlee99]

I should check if I've ever done a poe like that where all the scum are up top

[Dwlee99]

Yea gamma you're gonna have to explain how I'm evil here, especially with fucking toog

[Dwlee99]

I rushed through the Dunn Toog duel and you think I'm scum with them okay. And that I left Harley in the bottom four until ydrasse really wanted them up cause ???

[Dwlee99]

Wow I'm actually reconsidering my townread of gamma. Thought I'd Dave the paranoia for later but that list is awful

[Dwlee99]

ulyana
Ydrasse
SirCakez
Infinity 324
Toogeloo
Dunnstral

Here's a list of people I'd be cool shooting each other today. I vaguely remember townreading the other people the last time I was actually thinking about the game, but I don't feel super confident in this poe.

Or here where I'd be putting toog/Dunn/Cakez in here

[Dwlee99]

Yea gamma you're gonna have to explain how I'm evil here, especially with fucking toog

You consistently had Toog+Cakez in your lower tiers until you reconsidered post-infinity flip, after which they seem to be middle of the pack, and interestingly you’re more okay with leaving out peta who ranks more towny for you than either of those two than you are with leaving one of those two out.
I looked over those scumgames and it seems you have a bit of a history of half-hearted or late-stage bussing. That tracks with your supposed progression on Toog+Cakez.

Cakez has been high up since the Dunn flip wtf

[Dwlee99]

Yeah it's called I reevaluated after Dunn flip so I have had cakez higher since then

[Dwlee99]

Oh you mean how he is lower in the 8? That's cause it was based entirely on this day phase

[Dwlee99]

I initially was thinking the team was explicitly you/Cakez/Toog but there’s still room for either of those to be town, meanwhile you’re definitely scum because your list for this event is straight up wack

Choke on my town flip

[Dwlee99]

I'll be okay being left out of the crossing only if gamma is with me so I can tell at him in dead thread for this BS

[Dwlee99]

Also then we can discuss you accusing me of purposefully mocking infinity without alignments involved in it

[Dwlee99]

Only if gamma is. I'm not watching from dead thread without him there

[Dwlee99]

Oh you mean how he is lower in the 8? That's cause it was based entirely on this day phase

Yeah, this is bullshit
You didn’t actually “reconsider” shit

What do you call rereading the start of this day phase? You want me to quote the posts that made me townbin people when I was reading to prove I actually read or something? You think I just randomly spat out a list with my scum buddies crossing and town at the bottom? You think I'm shit enough at scum I wouldn't even fake having reasons for any of my reads?

[Dwlee99]

I'll be okay being left out of the crossing only if gamma is with me so I can tell at him in dead thread for this BS

That sort of thing is very common of them in most games
And I very much don’t believe it was a real thought you had

Idek what you're even talking about here

[Dwlee99]

Only rereading this one half-done phase is not “reconsidering”
And you made this big stink about “oh I need to clear these pre-conceived notions”, normally that’s tied to a full re-read of the game, not “I just wanna think about this phase with a fresh mind”.

I have never reread a whole game lmao

[Dwlee99]

I'll be okay being left out of the crossing only if gamma is with me so I can tell at him in dead thread for this BS

That sort of thing is very common of them in most games
And I very much don’t believe it was a real thought you had

Okay so you're saying you still think I was trying to mock infinity

Seriously

You think I'm an asshole? Is that what it is?

[Dwlee99]

You think I have never in my life had too many townreads and thought about it

[Dwlee99]

This is still assuming I looked at infinity's posts and tried to copy them instead of just having the thought myself

Like I can reread town games to try to find myself having the same thought before but it's patently ridiculous you think I have never thought I've had too many townreads myself

[Dwlee99]

How about you pick two and I pick two people to leave behind gamma

I pick skitter and gypyx

[Dwlee99]

Also you're not allowed to pick me

[Dwlee99]

That's not what I'm saying, I'm saying in this game, your expression of having too many townreads doesn't come off as genuine

And why not

I'm not the only one who has expressed problems trying to find scum and has too many townreads

Like, AFTER I said I had too many townreads ydrasse also did, so do you think she is being disingenuous too?

[Dwlee99]

It's what came after that really bothers the shit out of me and makes me think it's disingenuous
although like, I am concerned about how much ydrasse has seemed disconnected atm, but I think through that her "too many TRs" claim makes sense
You haven't felt disconnected or anything so idg why you were at "too many TRs" here the same way I get how she was at that point

Disconnected because my solve was like hard infinity/skitter/toog and now infinity is town so what is my solve

Pink PT people can confirm my solve was basically "I am townreading everyone but toog/skitter/infinity/ydrasse and now ydrasse is townie

[Dwlee99]

End quote after the /ydrasse

[Dwlee99]

Gamma if all of them seem townie, no matter their relative towniness, do I not have too many townreads

[Dwlee99]

Did you not have some TRs you had doubts on already? Those should have been your first to go, if so.

I felt pretty good about all my townreads

I could have made not Peta happen in Pink I'm p sure

This feels out of place (I was reading your ISO to ascertain whether there were any doubts you should have followed up on)
Why did you say this when you did? Why does it matter? What are you claiming you could have done?

I think someone mentioned something about Peta being nommed? I could have voted for someone else to be nommed instead cause the votes were so tight in pink

Pink team has scum in it

This is a thing
Do you still stand by this? I assume you mean that you think all the scum was in the pink team.

Yea I thought it was toog/skitter/infinity

And then infinity flipped town

So no I don't stand by that specific thing anymore

[Dwlee99]

I'll try to be here tomorrow so preferably don't start getting people to cross rn

[Dwlee99]

@toog In this game, yes that’s accurate (though that post looks loaded to suggest I’m scum)
I think you trying to help is good, but your plans do seem very scum-adjacent. I think Taly has a very good idea in having players who are at each other’s throats but have a good number of people TRing them should cross early so either one can get resolved by getting killed or there can be confirmed scum in a set or town just wins
I think there’s like 3 of those pairs atm (

me/Dwlee

, gooey/skitts,

ulyana/Cakez

)
Obviously only two of those can be a part of this plan for now (if 4 go across without a kill and the game isn’t won yet we can discuss sending over the last pair maybe)
Actually writing that I realized that the way MT worded things when it was asked earlier might put a spanner in the works

bolded should be first four across

[Dwlee99]

^ gamma/dwlee, ulyana/cakez.

Idc what order it is in

[Dwlee99]

You should just put townies across

Putting people you think are scum across is complete nonsense

[Dwlee99]

Let's have ulya cross

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Dwlee

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Gamma

[Dwlee99]

I think gamma should cross next.

[Dwlee99]

Please make gamma cross next. Tyvm

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Only for you,

Dwlee <3

ty taly ~

[Dwlee99]

Y'all if I die here remember me fondly

Oh and win

[Dwlee99]

It's sad cause if I was paying more attention to Gamma completely flipping on me when I said it was both of us crossing or neither of us, I should have known

[Dwlee99]

Also I've said this a hundred times in dead chat but tweetie this game was awesome, thank you so much for modding (and not known 15 for reviewing, and datacox for graphics!)