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[Dwlee99]

Okay that confirms my theory about traitor and role cop is for sure scum. I'm a roaming doctor, I was the heal on t3 and last night I no actioned cause I thought scum might not target enchant knowing I was roaming. I also figured if I targeted April they might actually kill enchant, whereas no actioning means I can always heal the other.

VOTE: Andante
Going with the theory that scum thought I was their traitor, I'm like 90% it is Andante. Review my early ISO where I interact with Andante and T3, it seems like they were playing off my thing as if I was claiming traitor to them

[Dwlee99]

Also to the people who said I should have counter claimed April well wow I'm glad I didn't

[Dwlee99]

A50 should claim imo because scum already know his role. I don't think the role cop is town, it actually fits into the setup well as a scum role similar to opposum mafia which had an announcing role that could also try to find the traitor

[Dwlee99]

I think I'm kept alive as a mislim possibility

[Dwlee99]

At the very least my role as a doctor is confirmed. So unless you think I'm a scum doctor why are you doubt casting me rn

[Dwlee99]

I think if we are in a traitor game (which I believe we are) Andante should end the game. If not I think looking into S_S is good.

[Dwlee99]

Rolecop is likely scum because otherwise I think we have too much town power

[Dwlee99]

Andante could be a ninja

[Dwlee99]

Traitor hunting is different from scum hunting because there won't be scum->traitor associatives

[Dwlee99]

I have reasons to more or less townread every slot except for Andante and Osuka.

Flip andante move on

Traitor could be the role cop

I think andante might be a ninja

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee is so unemotional and practical.

Do you think I'm scum?

[Dwlee99]

Ninja might make sense with town rolecop as a role it can guilty, especially since the scum cop would basically be a godfather for a town rolecop.

I'm in the "role cop is main scum or traitor" gang rn

If I'm town role cop I check andante last night. Why was a50 checked instead? Because role cop is scum and andante is scum.

[Dwlee99]

Andante - Multitasking Ninja Role Cop

OR

Andante - Ninja
Traitor - announcing role cop

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee is so unemotional and practical.

Do you think I'm scum?

Why wouød i think ur scum.
I’m thinking your play is townie and based.

VS the cringe Andante.

Typically unemotional and practical would signify scumread

I guess this is getting into how you think I play as scum vs town though which is meta and meta bad

[Dwlee99]

I’m a 3 shot ninja announcing role cop, idk how yall knew?!!

3-shot sounds specific and like a true claim lol

[Dwlee99]

I don't hate you I just think you're scum this game which is sad

[Dwlee99]

If you flip town I will campaign for osuka to die next unless I am dead (which I probably will be)

[Dwlee99]

If it's a traitor game, so only two main scum, a follower is extremely strong

[Dwlee99]

Is the plan to just claim miller and do nothing else?

Correct!

So like hypothetically speaking, If I was a cop, I should check you yes?

Omg
The role cop visit paired with this post

[Dwlee99]

Andante can dumb tell my claim and still be scum

[Dwlee99]

Is the plan to just claim miller and do nothing else?

Correct!

So like hypothetically speaking, If I was a cop, I should check you yes?

Omg
The role cop visit paired with this post

What does this even mean?
I keep coming back to this and i have no idea.

Andante asked if she should check me -> goes in with tinfoil about traitor + me being checked

[Dwlee99]

dwlee, if you were really doc, and I was rolecop, why didn't you die?

I think scum thought I could be mislimmed off of my Miller fake claim

[Dwlee99]

I'm confirmed doctor, don't give me this "if you were really doc" bs

[Dwlee99]

I have gotten asked why I'm alive twice now so yea...

[Dwlee99]

In my recollection you were asked by Enchant (basically confirmed town) and me (not attempting to push you). Was there anyone else?

Andante

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Geraintm

[Dwlee99]

Why move off of geraintm for blatantly Beetlejuice

[Dwlee99]

Can both of them claim

[Dwlee99]

Can both of them claim

I'm vt. I would have e thought that obvious

If you're VT why aren't you trying to idk be townie and draw a kill

[Dwlee99]

Osuka should, other people don't need to

[Dwlee99]

We lim between osuka and Geraintm today

[Dwlee99]

Both are good choices

[Dwlee99]

He's done nothing townie

[Dwlee99]

I found gerain obviously town in my experience with him but this is meta from you that I need to counter with meta and I don't like it

[Dwlee99]

Can both of them claim

I'm vt. I would have e thought that obvious

If you're VT why aren't you trying to idk be townie and draw a kill

Draw a kill? You mean deliberately get myself voted off today instead of scum?

These sorts of posts make me feel bad for defending you.

Why? I have never been one for accepting a fate of being eliminated when it won't help town, and I know that to be the case now.
If there were power roles around that needed protecting then maybe, but that isn't the case here and voting me off is just plain dumb

Draw a night kill homie

[Dwlee99]

Do you ever feel
like a plastic bag

[Dwlee99]

You've just been pretty absent gerain and if you weren't and are town here you make yourself way more night killable. It's not always a perfect way to do it it's just that if you're town I need you to show it somehow

[Dwlee99]

Why a50 blue and not me?

[Dwlee99]

But yea I think scum were just letting tvt wagons play out and wanted to keep clean

On this theory I will solve the game by end of day phase

[Dwlee99]

Oh okay thanks

[Dwlee99]

I shouldn't have claimed, oh well

[Dwlee99]

Probably not SS

[Dwlee99]

Wait did osuka claim yet

[Dwlee99]

i'd be voting norwee because there's no way in hell that aprilwagon doesn't have any scum in it

T3...?

[Dwlee99]

Or wait, t3 on holiday

[Dwlee99]

The current deadline timer is very inconvenient lol

[Dwlee99]

A50 seems uninformed imo

[Dwlee99]

Idk it's a vibe

[Dwlee99]

I think I'd most like to see Gera gone today

I'm pretty unimpressed with his analysis and general effort levels

VOTE: Gera

[Dwlee99]

Day 1 Final Vote Count:

Holiday

(7)

April Ludgate

,

Almost50

,

Dwlee99

,

T3

,

Something_Smart

,

Enchant

, Hella Jeff [Hammer]

April Ludgate

(6)

Holiday

, Andante,

Tracer.Bullet

, osuka,

geraintm

,

NorwegianBoyEE

Here's where I'm at I think

[Dwlee99]

But Gera worse

[Dwlee99]

If it's Geraintm/osuka I'll be very annoyed with y'all

[Dwlee99]

Azaariah (3) osuka, T3, geraintm [E-4]

you can overthink it, but i don't really want to

I've seen it

[Dwlee99]

Lol what if Andante is actually ninja

[Dwlee99]

Honestly i envy the scum in this game.

See but if it is gera and osuka...

[Dwlee99]

Mafia is bigger brain than me

[Dwlee99]

SS you were pretty obvious that you were the role cop ngl

[Dwlee99]

Enchant what was your result

[Dwlee99]

Fivehead

Why not target... osuka? Or gerain?

[Dwlee99]

Like homie your role actions are so bad I'm starting bro think you could be mafia

[Dwlee99]

to*

[Dwlee99]

Mine haven't been amazing but at least I've kept you alive for a couple days if you're town so you could possibly get a guilty on someone

[Dwlee99]

Andante I think you are misunderstanding Enchant's role

[Dwlee99]

I was so close to protecting S_S, I feel so silly fuwhfhwj

[Dwlee99]

Jeff was like pretty clearly town when the hammer dropped and that mislim is what's going to cost us the game if we lose this sooo

[Dwlee99]

Fivehead

Why not target... osuka? Or gerain?

I considered it was blatant choice. Mafia can chooce who will NK and i expected it to someone trustworthy.

I actually had choice between Norwee/SS/Almost.

SS was obviously the role cop dude ahhh

[Dwlee99]

"why can't the role cop be town"
"Why are we assuming role cop is mafia"

That + SS was obviously town and one of three unclaimed people

[Dwlee99]

Remaining people should claim btw

[Dwlee99]

Andante I don't think you're reading the game

[Dwlee99]

Vote Count 1.0.1


T3 (5) Dwlee99, osuka, Hella Jeff, NorwegianboyEE, Gamma Emerald [E-2]
Gamma Emerald (2) Holiday, geraintm
Andante (1) Azaariah
Hella Jeff (1) Almost50

Not Voting (13) Andante, T3, April Ludgate, Something_Smart

Deadline: (expired on 2021-11-22 18:17:16)

Mod Notes:
VC is done by hand. Please let me know if I mess something up.

NorwegianboyEE replaces Free Spirit.

This was our VC one and the next two pages literally do nothing to discuss the current wagons lol

[Dwlee99]

I quess it makes Dwlee confirmed (even more so) as doctor, otherwise SS would speak up and counterclaim them.

You weren't supposed to say this

[Dwlee99]

Cause now I'm gonna get night killed

[Dwlee99]

A50 could be vanilla goon, but at least confirmed not traitor

[Dwlee99]

Doing some rereading I think it's osuka/geraintm and I'm so annoyed we didn't flip them yesterday

[Dwlee99]

I'm leaning osuka over geraintm though

[Dwlee99]

Is there a traitor though. Very confused

[Dwlee99]

Actually it might be Andante

[Dwlee99]

Not traitor specifically, but being evil is possible here

[Dwlee99]

Roaming... doc

[Dwlee99]

I'm leaving the thread for a bit. If you think I'm scum here I don't even know what to say to you

[Dwlee99]

I don’t think it enough to vote you yet, but I don’t feel like you pushing me comes from town!Dwlee

You have literally no idea how I play this game

[Dwlee99]

Spoiler:

Like tinfoil: scum rolecopped me thinking I was claiming Miller to inform team I was scum with them

This fails Occam's razor incredibly hard.

I guess it isn't completely implausible but the simplest explanation is that a town rolecop wanted to confirm your claim.

Dwlee if the rolecop is scum then why are you alive

I'm not doubt casting you, I'm disagree with your assertion that the rolecop is likely scum.

Rolecop is likely scum because otherwise I think we have too much town power

How so? Simple doctor is practically negative utility, follower + roaming doctor together is all right but they can't keep the follower alive very long, and we don't even know the scum's other roles.

Ninja speculation still seems kinda wild

especially

with people thinking the rolecop is scum, but even if you think it isn't. Like what reason is there to assume there's a ninja to counter the weak investigative town has?

I knew SS was town role cop but didn't say anything hoping scum would think we would mislim them if they claimed. Scum had a bigger brain though

[Dwlee99]

Almost is confirmed vanilla, not vanilla town

Did Osuka seriously not claim

[Dwlee99]

Role Cop gets vanilla to mafia goon

[Dwlee99]

I'm surprised you didn't know that?

[Dwlee99]

Role Investigation performed.
Kill action performed on them.


Take wild quess who i targeted.

VOTE: Enchant

1- With the confirmation the Role Cop was TOWN, the Follower becomes redundant and uneeded for Town, thus a Scum role.
2- This isn't even how a Follower should receive their result. They should only receive "Investigative action" and not the exact action (when they are following a Doctor or a BG they can't tell the difference because both perform "protective actions")

And to verify this:

@Mod: If a Follower was targeting -say- a Tracker.. what result would you send them?

Follower gets a different result for role investigation vs action investigation.

[Dwlee99]

I ran a game with a follower years ago: It's role investigation vs action investigation

[Dwlee99]

(also just put a voyeur in the mini I modded a couple months ago, which has the same wording)

[Dwlee99]

Follower gets a different result for role investigation vs action investigation.

I KNOW. But they should get the general group of action, as in "protective" or "investigative". They should not get a detailed action (such as "watched" or "stabbed" or "tracked").

Anyway, you can rephrase the question however you like.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ormal_Game
They get one of these

[Dwlee99]

Why ger first?

[Dwlee99]

A50 are you the traitor >:(

[Dwlee99]

oh wait you're confirmed not traitor, nvm

[Dwlee99]

The random sample reread I did told me osuka is scum though

[Dwlee99]

Doing some rereading I think it's osuka/geraintm and I'm so annoyed we didn't flip them yesterday

Actually it might be Andante

An elimination has been reached.

Osuka was mounted on the wall. Their role was

Vanilla Townie

.

The moon rises as the sun sets.
You have (expired on 2021-12-11 20:12:50) to submit any night actions you may have.

An elimination has been reached.

bloodhail (3) Andante, Enchant, geraintm [Hammer]
Andante (1) bloodhail

Not Voting (1) NorwegianBoyEE

The game has ended.
The Mafia team of T3 (Mafia Even Night Cop), geraintm (Mafia One Shot Ninja), and Andante (Mafia Goon) have Won.

The remaining Town players were:

Enchant (Town Combined Follower-Voyeur)
bloodhail (Vanilla Townie)
NorwegianBoyEE (Vanilla Townie)

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