Mini Normal 2249 | The Fish in the Sea | Game Over

[Almost50]

Like.. never in my life have I seen a Scum team target the BG directly. They always try to play around them.

[Almost50]

If I'm scum I'd have shot t3

You wanted to, but I twisted your arm and insisted Tracer was a better shot because

[Almost50]

T3 you protected April or as well decided to screw it and protect someone else? Just wondering how you thinks.

@T3
?

BAD question. Just saying

[Almost50]

On Holiday and Tracer actually. That is 2 for 2 so far.

If I called everyone Town I'd be 10/13 in ever standard mini. If I called everyone Scum though I would have caught ALL Scum in ALL my games, so 100% hit rate. *Sigh*

On Holiday and Tracer actually. That is 2 for 2 so far.

If I called everyone Town I'd be 10/13 in ever standard mini. If I called everyone Scum though I would have caught ALL Scum in ALL my games, so 100% hit rate. *Sigh*

Didn't mean to double post there, so had to double quote to emphasize the fact that I didn't mean to double post.

[Almost50]

Alright i lost all mental power for this day.

I have guilty on T3.

I can believe this.. but I need confirmation it's not another meaningless gambit

[Almost50]

T3 you protected April or as well decided to screw it and protect someone else? Just wondering how you thinks.

@T3
?

BAD question. Just saying

Why

If you do have a guilty then it's not. If you don't then it's potentially telling Scum the way to shooting April is clear

[Almost50]

If A50 has millions of fans, i'm one of them. if A50 has 10 fans, i'm one of them. if A50 has no fans, that means i'm not on earth anymore. if the world is against almost fifty, then i'm against the world.

[Almost50]

Anyway.

I am Combined Voyer-Follower. I discover type of ability target performed and type of ability's performed on target.

I targeted T3 last night. He didn't do anything. But.
Someone ELSE used protective ability on them. And April claimed she was on SS.

It makes up for Third Protective Claim, which i doubt.
Moreover T3 have almost zero excuses to not act. I would knew if he was roleblocked or jailed, and he was not, it means he simple... Can't protect and thus not bodyguard. Or didn't apply action, that's kinda reason why i asked him question but he fucking dissapear and turned me mad.
Or well Ninja-Roleblocker but this is specific shit.

VOTE: T3

And now April is descending fast on my reads list. If he is a Scum Doctor then he outed the Simple part 9regardless of whether it's true or not) to further hunt for PRs implicitly. Like, whoever does ask/accept his protection is a VT, and if someone hints they don't want it they are a PR. (Good play as always, if that's the case. FL never runs out of tricks)

[Almost50]

Why do you have April as clear from t3 flip?

Because it's Norwee, and he obviously never heard of a 2-dimentional play, let alone 3, 4 and so-forth

[Almost50]

Like, I bet Norwee's favourite band of all time is Simple Minds

[Almost50]

VOTE: April

This a better lim. I know Norwee-like players will not like it, but.. T3 isn't going anywhere and we can lim that tomorrow. Meanwhile, not moving = goon (or Traitor as Dwlee suggests). April's flip will probably tell us much more. Like, if April is Scum then the whole team was on Holiday's wagon. If green then we can assume a 1-2/2-1 distribution on the wagons, and we can move on from there. Note that the kill was on the April wagon, so I am leaning a red flip here.

[Almost50]

IM VT I WAS TRYING TO BAIT THE NK

Spoiler:

@T3: I dunno if you're Town or Scum, but delaying your full claim any further is scummy as hell. It gives the impression you're faking and afraid to specify lest you be CC'd. IF you're Towm you're dead already, unless you can convince a protective to be on you, and I doubt anyone will be convinced by "I'm an investigative"

Odd Night Traffic Analyst Even Night Neighbor Finder

So, T3...result?

I will

not

out my result today.

It IS TMI. T3 had just slipped real hard. Let's review the facts:

TRAITOR IS ENDGAMED IF THE MAIN TEAM IS ELIMINATED
2 players are outed as Neighbors
1 is now also outed as Mailman

A "can communicate" result is an outright guilty. WHy not claim it?
A "can't communicate" is enough evidence the target is not MAIN SCUM, so why keep it undercover?

T3 is PLAYING FOR TIME. H;s TAKING SU ALL FOR A RIDE. And if you add this to how long it took him to claim yesterday you get: T3 is OUTED SCUM.

I TARGETED JACKET AND GOT NO RESULT

[Almost50]

i'm down to mass claim, we already have myself and enchant as PR's claimed that scum need to kill. it'll be enchant, though, let's be honest

Yes, because I caught the "Simple = outing VTs" so you need a massclaim now.

TBF, I don't really care if I can actually push you all the way. I am content with the pleasure of catching you even if I can't do much about it. (Note that this isn't TM and I have nobody "outside the game" counting on me )

[Almost50]

I’m vt

So am I. In fact, EVERYONE unclaimed is a VT at this point.

[Almost50]

If April is scum the team is literally April + T3 + S_S (don't get fooled by the fake pushes April did/does on these slots. He is very much capable of faking tension with his buddies, and especially with someone as skillful as S_S)

If April is Town then the other two scums are in ger/osuka/Andante

[Almost50]

Off topic: I have a wish.. and I hope it comes true before I leave this planet. My wish is to see you playing a role in a blockbuster. I am not greedy and won't ask for a leading role, but one that does make an impression in the story.

Now back to the game: As I said; I don't really mind losing to Scum!You if nobody else wants to go for you. I am just laying out my thoughts so as to brag about them post-game. I can't even say that I'm confident in my solve (of you being scum), but I do feel stronger than I probably would on average regarding you in specific.

[Almost50]

are we all claiming guilties? i have a guilty on the mod

Did you miss her Global Miller claim?

[Almost50]

Anyway.

I am Combined Voyer-Follower. I discover type of ability target performed and type of ability's performed on target.

I targeted T3 last night. He didn't do anything. But.
Someone ELSE used protective ability on them. And April claimed she was on SS.

It makes up for Third Protective Claim, which i doubt.
Moreover T3 have almost zero excuses to not act. I would knew if he was roleblocked or jailed, and he was not, it means he simple... Can't protect and thus not bodyguard. Or didn't apply action, that's kinda reason why i asked him question but he fucking dissapear and turned me mad.
Or well Ninja-Roleblocker but this is specific shit.

did t3 claim _ungated_ bodyguard? how does no action mean a guilty?

most pressingly, what about a mafia jailkeeper?

Thank you for claiming Scum. This "pretentious" ignorance is unbecoming of you (adjective carefully and intentionally selected)

[Almost50]

Actually

VOTE: osuka

We all agree T3 is caught scum (except for osuka). I have 2 solves as of now: osuka+ger+T3 >>> April+S_S+T3

[Almost50]

Y not just kill T3.

I already explained that. T3 is basically "dead scum walking". Him not doing anything last night points to him being a Goon. I want to try to hunt for a Scum PR. We have a "Scum Doctor" (as per Enchant's result) and a "Scum Role Cop" (as per Dwlee's claim). The latter is what concerns me more at this point.

[Almost50]

What's an outed goon gonna do? I want the ROLE COP as a primary target, THEN we can worry about the Doctor. Solve the game early then leave it on "auto-pilot". If we get the Doctor and there's a Vig they can shoot T3 at will. If we we get the Role Cop we know the Vig is safe from being outed at night.

[Almost50]

I already explained that. T3 is basically "dead scum walking". Him not doing anything last night points to him being a Goon. I want to try to hunt for a Scum PR. We have a "Scum Doctor" (as per Enchant's result) and a "Scum Role Cop" (as per Dwlee's claim). The latter is what concerns me more at this point.

why is the doctor that's been detected by enchant's voyeur likely to be scum?

Oh, God! You're scum aren't you??? I will concede I lost the game EVEN if we do win it.

I'll respond though for the simple minded players: April claimed Doctor and wasn't CC'd. That ON TOP OF a BG claim on D1. What TOWN Doctor doesn't come out at that point?

So either an UNKNOWN SCUM DOCTOR was on T3, or April himself is the SCUM DOCTOR and is lying about having targeted S_S

[Almost50]

Guys (and girls): Am I assuming/expecting too much of certain players? I don't even think I'm doing anything "overly clever" here. I'm running with basic scum hunting logic. Like, it's literally Mafia 101 (Mafia as in THIS GAME, not the alignment)

[Almost50]

Y not just kill T3.

I already explained that. T3 is basically "dead scum walking". Him not doing anything last night points to him being a Goon. I want to try to hunt for a Scum PR. We have a "Scum Doctor" (as per Enchant's result) and a "Scum Role Cop" (as per Dwlee's claim). The latter is what concerns me more at this point.

counterpoint: if t3 is gated scum pr, isnt it sensible to let someone else perform the night kill?

Countercounterpoint: What gated Scum PR stays put on D1? Give me ONE Role you think would do that.

[Almost50]

one that's able to target the BG and synergize?

A Doctor that will protect a BG that said they were going to protect the other Doctor claim which is -to the unclaimed Doctor- confirmed Scum fake claiming??

[Almost50]

Also, a combination of a Town BG + Town Doctor is a NO-NO because it creates a "circular protection loop". IF there's an unclaimed Town Doctor (other that April) they have to be Roaming. They can never be -say- Complex or FULL or even multiple-shots, and if there is a Roaming Doctor they should have CC'd April on the spot (because only a COMPLEX DOCTOR would believe a Simple Doctor's claim, but then they would know better that to believe the BG claim)

[Almost50]

I mean, people were already suspicious of the BG+Simple Doctor combination, and you think ANOTHER Doctor thought it was sensible?

[Almost50]

I am not asking you to vote my way. I am saying I am not voting yours. kthnx

[Almost50]

S_S put us on hold and went to sleep

[Almost50]

I thought it would be obvious :/

Because T3 can make the kills while he's alive?

And..? JK can take care of that. There should be one active lurking somewhere.. I think

[Almost50]

Can I get a consensus on if we think the role cop is town or not

I definitely don't.

[Almost50]

Can I get a consensus on if we think the role cop is town or not

Would knowing this today... change anything?

YES. It would make some people think about trying to get said Rolecop today and get

Carter

T3 tomorrow

[Almost50]

why are you getting intentionally obtuse

I am not the one arguing both ways of my mouth. YOU were looking for outs for T3, yet YOU are arguing he might be a Scum PR (which -btw- would make the scum team ALL PRs)

[Almost50]

gated mafia role thing still applies though

WHAT are you on about now?? You suggested T3 could have been JK'd. Now you just want to be right on something so back to gated PR? Make up your mind. DO YOU WANT TO LIM T3 OR NOT? Is T3 SCUM to you or not? I want an explicit commitment here. If you believe him to be "gated Scum PR" why didn't you vote there already anyhow?

[Almost50]

but everyone else thought it was fine

Are you reading ANYTHING? Like.. at least FIVE players expressed doubt about the claim at the time.

[Almost50]

And..? JK can take care of that.

What JK?

The one you -as a designer- would throw in to mess with other TPRs and give them the sense that there's a Scum RB and eventually they all out each other and FoS each other.

[Almost50]

Reminder: Man going on track get hit by train

[Almost50]

What does the VC look like?

[Almost50]

VOTE: T3

I'm not happy about this, but if Dwlee & Norwee insist who am I to go against their wishes?

(Obviously this is E-1. The VC is just 3 posts above)

[Almost50]

Norwee.. you know silly questions tick me off. I already explained my stance and why I don't want to go after the goon today. We're not having this conversation all over again.

[Almost50]

I

am

calm. You're the one who's trying to set the fire in me loose by asking a meaningless question to which you do very well know the answer because we did have this conversation to the tiny bits of details before.

[Almost50]

T3 doesn't think I'm maf, I kinda like him. can we keep him?

If you self-vote I promise to switch back to you... just give me the sign, bro

[Almost50]

I

am

calm. You're the one who's trying to set the fire in me loose by asking a meaningless question to which you do very well know the answer because we did have this conversation to the tiny bits of details before.

Ok, i'll make sure to not ask you any questions in the future. Ever.

That's even sillier. You may ask

meaningful

questions. Questions that have not been answered in details. Questions that will shed some light on something or clarify a mysterious announcement.

Let's be real: What exactly was the purpose of your question? Did you forget I already explained or were you hoping I have changed my read on T3? THAT is what intrigues me.

[Almost50]

Andante do you know why T3 is even wagoned

^

[Almost50]

Sometimes my mind is a jumbled mess, and asking questions make me more focused on what we are doing in this game.

I didn't think it would be offensive to anyone.

OK. Nice of you to have clarified that. I will no longer be upset when you ask questions that I have already answered. But do you mind if I sometimes quote my previous answers instead of typing new ones then?

[Almost50]

@Norwee: Deal.

[Almost50]

T3 was served for dinner. Their role was

Mafia Even Night Cop.

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What the heck was that?! Why would Mafia ever need a COP in a mini Normal??
Like, I understand the “giving them a title so as not to be protected by the Simple Doctor” concept in general, but why a COP? And protected from WHOM even?

P-edit: Maybe.. ir maybe the mod is fucking with our minds

[Almost50]

Also, the bloody Role Cop paid me a visit last night (Just in case the mod decided our investigative to be a LOYAL ROLE COP)

P-edit: Can I post this, please?? Pretty please??? Give me just 30 seconds

[Almost50]

Phew. This was harder than grabbing a parachute.

[Almost50]

I also don't mind doing Andante today, but I think I want to hear Enchant's result first

P-edit: Why does it seem like I'm thinking the same thing as "someone else" this day?

[Almost50]

You can always NOT out the player's identity, but give them a hint still. Like.. "my target wasn't visited by anyone, but them performed a Doctor action"

[Almost50]

Well, I don't mind a massclaim. April is dead. You are outed. The Role Cop has 2 results on me and Dwlee. If they're Scum a massclaim give Town the same info Scum already have. If they're Town they can confirm our roles 9and I am assuming you can confirm a third role). Yes, I know Role=/=Alsignment, but still.. I can't lie about my role

[Almost50]

Well, I am a VT. Scum already know it so I don't see why Town shouldn't.

[Almost50]

It's still better than trying to search a NUMBER and it so happens that it's part of their joining date.

[Almost50]

I can't think of anything funny (or even dull) to say here at this time

[Almost50]

VOTE: Andante

If I wasn't SR'ing this already I would have based on posts on page 117 alone

[Almost50]

UNVOTE: Andante

^I NEVER type the name of the unvotee. I am making an exception here because I feel that Andante's recent posts are genuine and sincere (and you all KNOW how much I hate the word "feel" in scumhunting)

[Almost50]

This is a game I'm in, and this is a post I'm making to acknowledge it. Now, what are we doing exactly (for the past few pages and days)?

[Almost50]

I don't know.

[Almost50]

Who are you voting, Norwee?

[Almost50]

NO FISH PHOTO???? WHAT IS THIS...

She finally found out that fishing is scummy.

[Almost50]

call me crazy, but I'm gonna do this

VOTE: osuka

Not a bad vote, actually. My work is incomplete, but I think osuka does have a higher chance of being T3's p.

VOTE: osuka

[Almost50]

tbh this might just be a simple solve of gerain and osuka

VOTE: Gerain [/vote ]

oMg uR pUsHiNg wEaK pEoPlE

None of them are even online.

sorry, been on leave today and not checked the threda

@Norwee: You were saying..??

[Almost50]

i dont have time at the moment to see why there is this sudden switch to me, but i cannot remember anything from the last few days

You don't seem to ever have the time in this game, mate.

VOTE: gerintm

Now we're 4.

[Almost50]

lol I just realized my vote is messed up, hey gerain you showed up first, osuka gets my vote. then probably you tomorrow

VOTE: osuka

Make up your mind. I approve of your solve (osuka more likely still, because she appears on 2 different hypothetical teams of the 3 I have as potential solves)

[Almost50]

I don't sr gerain lol

But you just said it could be as simple as ger + osuka!!

[Almost50]

Why are people now trusting Andante?

I said it when I unvoted him, and now we're mindmelding (or so I thought before he retracted on ger)

VOTE: osuka

[Almost50]

(if there's any real objections to having a50 and enchant as blue please tell me)

Why a50 blue and not me?

to keep you alive

[Almost50]

ger is a fine vote, although not as good as osuka in my book. As I said, I have 3 different team formations left (the ones that included T3 obviously) and osuka is on 2 of them. ger is on only one. (don't ask who else. I won't give out info without further analysis, so I first need the flip of today)

[Almost50]

Yes. He claimed to be 24 today, and is asking to be eliminated as his B-day present.

[Almost50]

I third Andante & Norwee's views on that sneaky li'l monkey. He should never be trusted even if the mod himself came in and said he was Town. *Sigh*

@Dwlee: I "think" Jeff looks worse on that VC. I can lowkey sense he picked Holiday over April because April was pushing him, so a green flip there would have put him in trouble PLUS (and this is more important) would have put directed all suspicion to T3 from those who doubted both claimed Roles existed.

But this is me overthinking as usual, and I have no proof of my theory, so I'll vote wherever you decide (after you've carefully considered my lunacy up there)

[Almost50]

VOTE: ger

Just because Norwee thinks Jeff is scum makes me want to throw away my own hunch and follow Dwlee unto the other option

[Almost50]

Maybe it's time for me to out my real solve:

T3, NorwegianBoyEE, Hella Jeff
NorwegianBoyEE, T3, osuka
osuka, geraintm, T3

One of these is true. End of.

[Almost50]

NorwegianBoyEE, T3, osuka

DING DING DING DING DING DING

I have been voting osuka all day. How come you didn't join me if you think he's scum?

[Almost50]

Actually

VOTE: osuka

We all agree T3 is caught scum (except for osuka). I have 2 solves as of now: osuka+ger+T3 >>> April+S_S+T3

Reminder that osuka was the only one not conceding T3 was caught scum even after Enchant's claim

[Almost50]

call me crazy, but I'm gonna do this

VOTE: osuka

Not a bad vote, actually. My work is incomplete, but I think osuka does have a higher chance of being T3's p.

VOTE: osuka

And this was me saying osuka was more likely scum before I said it explicitly

osuka

[Almost50]

Fuck! Wellm you can click 3051 and view it yourselves

[Almost50]

If Osuka is scum he’s basically dead weight.
I’m not scum. Who is Osuka’s teammate then A50?

I'm tempted to be mean, but I will still try to be nice.. reread 3314

[Almost50]

Keep in mind. I buss dead weight teammates like there is no tommorow when i am mafia.

T3 (5) Dwlee99, osuka, Hella Jeff, NorwegianboyEE, Gamma Emerald [E-2]

T3 (6) Dwlee99, Something_Smart, NorwegianBoyEE, Almost50, Andante, April Ludgate [Hammer]

That's as incriminating to you as it ever could. WHY did you leave that wagon?

[Almost50]

VOTE: osuka

[Almost50]

part of me is still thinking this is norwee and jeff scum putting on a show again lol

You don't say! That's my 1st team proposition

[Almost50]

that would be the funnest shit ever...
but i'm sitting here
holding in tears
sipping beer
head shaped like a deer

I still wish I knew who you are

[Almost50]

You wan to start anew wagon with 19 hours left??

VOTE: Hella Jeff

[Almost50]

VOTE: Norwee

On another thought, I would rather not end up voting

with

Norwee

[Almost50]

Role Investigation performed.
Kill action performed on them.


Take wild quess who i targeted.

VOTE: Enchant

1- With the confirmation the Role Cop was TOWN, the Follower becomes redundant and uneeded for Town, thus a Scum role.
2- This isn't even how a Follower should receive their result. They should only receive "Investigative action" and not the exact action (when they are following a Doctor or a BG they can't tell the difference because both perform "protective actions")

And to verify this:

@Mod: If a Follower was targeting -say- a Tracker.. what result would you send them?

[Almost50]

Doing some rereading I think it's osuka/geraintm and I'm so annoyed we didn't flip them yesterday

That's what I kept saying and nobody was listening. I wanted to flip osuka.. or Norwee.. because if Norwee flips green the ONLY team formation left for me was T3+osuka+ger

UNVOTE:

I guess I should wait for mod confirmation

[Almost50]

Why you asking what result i would get from Tracker?

Tracker doesh't check roles.

To verify how the result is phrased. "Informative"? "Investigative"? "Tracking"??

[Almost50]

Follower gets a different result for role investigation vs action investigation.

I KNOW. But they should get the general group of action, as in "protective" or "investigative". They should not get a detailed action (such as "watched" or "stabbed" or "tracked").

Anyway, you can rephrase the question however you like.

[Almost50]

OK, mod confirmed "Roel Investigative" is valid, so back to my solve of osuka/ger, but I want ger first.

VOTE: ger

[Almost50]

A50 are you the traitor >:(

Yes. I am also Elvis Presley incarnation

[Almost50]

I think garintiun is scummier than osuka, and he also started the Jeff wagon

I have this feeling osaku will vote for me to create a wagon against their own. We have both sat here all day confused by the reasons for our respective wagons.
I know creating a me vs osaku choice is at best 50% town, and I've just seen this person look worse and worse as the day goes onVOTE: jeff

that was the garintiun vote yesterday, and to me it looks like attempting to not take ownership of their vote and push it elsewhere, but is this garintiun and <insert second scum name> putting fake arguments between themselves - i dunno, but assuming garintiun flips red that is the place i'd want people to go hunt rather than come after town - though if scum are down to only one after today i think we win this because too many slots will be eliminated from consideration

[Almost50]

Well, whatever. If it comes down to it I will hammer osuka, but I want garintiun first.

[Almost50]

OK..

VOTE: osuka