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Kill the VT. It sucks if they're town, but it's like legitimately optimal on a lot of levels at this point. I feel like you're just paranoid of me, and it's holding it back.In post 2155, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Did i pick an 5 star difficulty game totally by accident.Time Is Money, Money Is Power, Power Is Pizza, Pizza is Knowledge- April Ludgate
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Almost50 and Something Smart are the 2 players that know me best in this game. Have faith in that.
And if we were the scum team, I would not even be this close to being rung up. This entire game would have just been built from the ground up differently.Time Is Money, Money Is Power, Power Is Pizza, Pizza is Knowledge- April Ludgate
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scum get annoyed too.In post 2158, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Like this doesn’t feel like posts scum would make. Cus they seem just annoyed, and not actually trying to survive.In post 2151, Holiday wrote:Town but still needs to die. Cool.
What a fun, fun game. Real glad I got to play.
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You can find other scum :shrug:, do some actual town work rather than just emotion OMGUS.In post 2160, Holiday wrote:Fuck off with your advice.
“What could I have done differently” when you pushed me with a case that starts by LIKING STUFF I POSTED. HOW DO I REPLY TO A PUSH LIKE THAT OTHER THAN CALL IT RIDICULOUS.
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there's so much to come from the flip regardless, and it's a VT flip worst case scenario. Are you just not wanting to misfade them because you'll feel bad?In post 2162, NorwegianboyEE wrote:But if Jeff is voting Holiday then i guess it doesn’t matter too much in the end anyways. So just cross fingers and hope it could be scum?Time Is Money, Money Is Power, Power Is Pizza, Pizza is Knowledge- April Ludgate
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Frankly, I just feel like my town reads are far stronger than Holiday's and I've given reasons for why I am town reading certain slots, essentially this entire game bar my first reads list.
I have been keeping everyone updated on where I stand this entire game, and I believe the evolution of my reads are super transparent, something I am actively trying to do as town. let everyone know where i stand on every single slot.
I have actively tried to connect with most slots, bar a few, and have tried to look at the game from their perspective.
I'm doing a lot of town work, and I believe it shows if you look in my post.
This doesn't make Holiday scum, but if you compare who's actually narrowing down who could be scum, I have done far more than Holiday.
the 2 most familiar players with me are voting alongside me after this day phase, and the players pushing me are basically just yelling on emotion or are players not doing much like geraint, and Osuka who was just willing to compromise, but ended on my to create the counterwagons, which was fine, and caused a lot of discussion. Kind of a + move on Osuka now that I just checked their ISO.Time Is Money, Money Is Power, Power Is Pizza, Pizza is Knowledge- April Ludgate
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In post 2174, Holiday wrote:
I said nothing BUT emotion I know I’m pissed off but there’s reason to what I think BEYOND that and yet that reason is being washed away.In post 2171, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Well you’ve been pretty emotional yourself soo, a bit hypocritical to say that lol.In post 2168, Holiday wrote:Like holy shit happening before everyone’s eyes the things I have said this game are being boiled into nothing but emotion when there are reasons.
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*+town moveIn post 2175, April Ludgate wrote:Kind of a + move on Osuka now that I just checked their ISO.Time Is Money, Money Is Power, Power Is Pizza, Pizza is Knowledge- April Ludgate
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@Norwegian - id rather you not leave it to Hella Jeff (not that I think Hella Jeff is gonna vote me necessarily, but more for the action for you to make. It feels like you actively just want to let Jeff make the decision, but I feel like if you vote me, then that's also a sign to persuade Hella Jeff towards me.
I want ya to accept the town hand I'm throwing out by making the active choice to at least not vote me.
Sure, it's survivalistic, but I do truly want to town block, and cause a great stir for scum.
We have to work with building our town reads on this game. What can I do to get you to see I'm town?
I want to get to the level with you where it isn't down to Holiday/April, I want you to wonder if Holiday is scum or not, and alternative would be to flash wagon elsewhere. (not that i think that's the right path, but that mindset of wishing it was possible is where I'm trying to work with you to get.Time Is Money, Money Is Power, Power Is Pizza, Pizza is Knowledge- April Ludgate
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@Norwweigan - say Hella Jeff voted me to make it so you were the final vote, that would have you lean towards voting me because the other non voter did, and that's the same active choice you would be making if you voted me here giving HJ. It doesn't turn it into a 50-50, it's more of a 65-35Time Is Money, Money Is Power, Power Is Pizza, Pizza is Knowledge- April Ludgate
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but it's okay enough to work towards that in optimism? That's why I feel we need flips, flips can help you go higher because you'll get to see where I'm coming from with the knowledge of other slots.In post 2210, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
I don't really trust you to the level where i'd have you as a townblock read tho. I don't think my trust can go any higher than an certain percentage.In post 2205, April Ludgate wrote:I want ya to accept the town hand I'm throwing out by making the active choice to at least not vote me.
Sure, it's survivalistic, but I do truly want to town block, and cause a great stir for scum.
I become super easy to read as the game goes on, as both alignments.
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@Norwegian - there's a reason for this, and it's because I become increasingly easier to read as the game goes on, even if I have complete backwards reads, it eventually gets to the right one, and i start to be able to bleed town.In post 2123, Something_Smart wrote:I think it would take quite a lot to get me to vote you on D1.
Certainly after you've claimed a PR, bullshit sensors going off though they may be, I wouldn't ever be touching you.
Putting me in range to hammer is essentially the hammer vote on me.Time Is Money, Money Is Power, Power Is Pizza, Pizza is Knowledge- April Ludgate
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but you can give us the chance.In post 2215, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
But i don't trust u either.In post 2211, Dwlee99 wrote:Norwee can you trust me and then trust april by proxy?Time Is Money, Money Is Power, Power Is Pizza, Pizza is Knowledge- April Ludgate
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it's not necessarily i think all 3 of them are, it's just the nature of how they're pushing me.In post 2219, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I honestly just get more paranoid when u focus so hard on me.
Can you tell me why you think your bottom 3 scumreads are mafia instead?
I focus more on finding strong town reads than finding strong scum reads early because it's literally scum's job to manipulate the gamestate.
I felt that Gamma/A50 likely had 1 scum in it, it's why they were brought down early from town reads to the null.
I brought up that hitting a VT flip Day 1 isn't as preferable as pushing elsewhere to get more claims, and possibly hit a role that isn't a VT. Tracer comes in hard aggro, yelling. However, if you look at how they're pushing, it's completely a fluff push, talking down on my posts in a "bad" type of way, which is inherently a discredit way of playing. If Holiday is scum, Tracer has a good chance at chainsaw'ing me, and if Holiday is town, it benefits Tracer to pick a side, and stick with it to get more claims/fade a higher priority target than a VT.
Andante, eh, if I'm wrong on Holiday/Tracer, then that's where that is. I feel there's a chance they're just a town sheep who has an idea of what they think is "bad", but dont really understand that there isn't bad takes this early in a game, but buzzwords could get them.Time Is Money, Money Is Power, Power Is Pizza, Pizza is Knowledge- April Ludgate
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Frankly, probably Tracer either which way. I was feeling Gamma was the scum before Tracer replaced in since I had started to town read A50.In post 2222, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
If Holiday is scum, where next. And if he's town?In post 2220, April Ludgate wrote:You just can't really expect to be able to fully trust me on Day 1, but as the game goes on, you definitely will be able to.Time Is Money, Money Is Power, Power Is Pizza, Pizza is Knowledge- April Ludgate
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To be honest, I'm near the point where I'd call Tracer a higher chance of being scum than Holiday, which is another reason I'm comfortable with Hella Jeff this game because of their mindmeld.
I already kinda felt Hella Jeff was seeing us as TvT, which is something I can see being a thing.
But at this point, we need to consolidate, and my second strongest scum read + worst case scenario we fade a highly contested VT slot, then yeah, I feel like it should be obvious that Holiday's the best play, personally.Time Is Money, Money Is Power, Power Is Pizza, Pizza is Knowledge- April Ludgate
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you already have the hammer if you choose Holiday.In post 2230, Hella Jeff wrote:In post 2191, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Hm, that’s persuasive.In post 2189, Tracer.Bullet wrote:
Just vote April and give Jeff a choiceIn post 2162, NorwegianboyEE wrote:But if Jeff is voting Holiday then i guess it doesn’t matter too much in the end anyways. So just cross fingers and hope it could be scum?
otherwise Jeff can have the excuse that he had no choice but to vote for Holiday since he couldn't hammer April.
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tracer, one of Norwegian/Hella Jeff slots, one of Holiday/someone on Holiday wagon slot is 90%+ the team.
Came in after my claim today thinking this after wagonomics, and wanted to believe other wise. The way it got stalled made it feel like there was one in Norwegian/Hella Jeff and that they wanted the wagon to go towards me but were waiting for the other to make first move.
I believe the team is Tracer, Norwegian, and One on the Holiday wagon (if not Holiday, but I think we might be TvT)
Norwegian eventually chose to let Hella Jeff, the townie, come in and make the decision, but I made sure to make Norwegian not be able to just use that as the excuse.
Tracer was even starting to set Norwegian up to do so.Time Is Money, Money Is Power, Power Is Pizza, Pizza is Knowledge- April Ludgate
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I want this shown as my final reads if I die.In post 2240, April Ludgate wrote:I believe the team is Tracer, Norwegian, and One on the Holiday wagon (if not Holiday, but I think we might be TvT)Time Is Money, Money Is Power, Power Is Pizza, Pizza is Knowledge- April Ludgate
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In post 2239, T3 wrote:are we actually e1ing the simple doctor claim
Holiday is an OMGUSer, Andante is a Sheep, Tracer is scum pushing my wagon, Osuka had a compromise vote, geraint just can't comprehend how people get early day 1's and goes all "what players should play like", and Norwegian was fence sitting trying to get on my wagon without seeming too eager.Time Is Money, Money Is Power, Power Is Pizza, Pizza is Knowledge- April Ludgate
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i said "if not holiday", but i think there's a strong reasoning for Norwegian/Tracer previously Gamma slot tbhIn post 2242, Dwlee99 wrote:
Yo same. Although maybe not the "on holiday" thingIn post 2241, April Ludgate wrote:
I want this shown as my final reads if I die.In post 2240, April Ludgate wrote:I believe the team is Tracer, Norwegian, and One on the Holiday wagon (if not Holiday, but I think we might be TvT)Time Is Money, Money Is Power, Power Is Pizza, Pizza is Knowledge- April Ludgate
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In post 599, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Anyway, serious business.
I think April is town in this game.
And i do have a lot of experience with scum!Flavour Leaf so i think my accuracy should be somewhat decent.Time Is Money, Money Is Power, Power Is Pizza, Pizza is Knowledge- April Ludgate
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i guess this was super early, but i dont think ive changed that much since then tbh.In post 2245, April Ludgate wrote:In post 599, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Anyway, serious business.
I think April is town in this game.
And i do have a lot of experience with scum!Flavour Leaf so i think my accuracy should be somewhat decent.Time Is Money, Money Is Power, Power Is Pizza, Pizza is Knowledge- April Ludgate
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when tracer replaced inIn post 1758, NorwegianboyEE wrote:How did we lose Gamma and end up with this.Time Is Money, Money Is Power, Power Is Pizza, Pizza is Knowledge- April Ludgate
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Tracer came in forcing people to pick sides because they didnt want people splitting off from me.In post 1778, Tracer.Bullet wrote:People need to take a stance and pick a side
this game is already too long in D1.
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Tracer is just incredibly obvious scum, and hardcore pushed a scum agenda this day phase, and Norwegian tries to position Tracer even further in a townie spotlight.
They came into the game with "dueling wagons is good" but then played the day hard pushing me, hard defending Holiday. they came into this game knowing exactly where and how they wanted to push in a scum motivated agenda.Time Is Money, Money Is Power, Power Is Pizza, Pizza is Knowledge- April Ludgate
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K, now think about this from Holiday being town perspective.In post 2250, Hella Jeff wrote:
hmmmm, about norweeIn post 2243, April Ludgate wrote:In post 2239, T3 wrote:are we actually e1ing the simple doctor claim
Holiday is an OMGUSer, Andante is a Sheep, Tracer is scum pushing my wagon, Osuka had a compromise vote, geraint just can't comprehend how people get early day 1's and goes all "what players should play like", and Norwegian was fence sitting trying to get on my wagon without seeming too eager.
i think as scum i wouldn't be apologetic/fencesitty when voting you. i'd think this moment would be the most important to open wolf (if i used the phrase right)
if you're town, you're a simple doc and getting you out is incredibly good because by the start of d2 that's 2 PRs gone in 99% of worlds
a 2 for 1 seems really good
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@Hella Jeff - I guarantee you scum want my fade over Holiday's if Holiday is town. Norwegian was there all day fence sitting defending slots against me, but did nothing to defend over on my slot. that is not fence sitting, that is trying to appear as if you are genuinely trying to solve.Time Is Money, Money Is Power, Power Is Pizza, Pizza is Knowledge- April Ludgate
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@Hella Jeff - I guarantee you scum want my fade over Holiday's if Holiday is town. Norwegian was there all day fence sitting defending slots against me, but did nothing to defend over on my slot. that is not fence sitting, that is trying to appear as if you are genuinely trying to solve.Time Is Money, Money Is Power, Power Is Pizza, Pizza is Knowledge- April Ludgate
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Can you just vote Holiday, Jeff? Please. It's my first game in like 10 months, and I feel like I'm doing great town work. Probably a terrible reason, but like....come on.
I've been busting my ass trying to show people why I am town, been doing the work, did the analysis on every slot. Nothing else I could do. I'm not being scum read, people just want me to be scum.
If I eat a night kill, sure, but scum will need to try and night kill me at some point as a doctor. Holiday's never eating the night kill with the VT claim if they're town.Time Is Money, Money Is Power, Power Is Pizza, Pizza is Knowledge- April Ludgate
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* who's scum on my wagon, I meanIn post 2261, April Ludgate wrote:if we're both town, Holiday, who's scum on your wagon?Time Is Money, Money Is Power, Power Is Pizza, Pizza is Knowledge- April Ludgate
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if Holiday is town, they let emotions effect them too much, and majorly hindered their play.
if Holiday is scum, they picked a poor course of action to a wagon on them from OMGUS shout battling, because if they're scum, they're screwed even if they get through this day phase because of it. Scum needed to make a different choice.Time Is Money, Money Is Power, Power Is Pizza, Pizza is Knowledge- April Ludgate
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they didn't answer me earlier when I asked about who was scummier, Tracer or Andante, meaning they aren't willing to collaborate.
and before Holiday gets upset, not necessarily talking to you when saying what you should have done, just stating facts around the play itself. my own analysis, and i share my research.Time Is Money, Money Is Power, Power Is Pizza, Pizza is Knowledge- April Ludgate
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if you took the time to think about it, jeff was actively thinking we're TvT, something that comes across majorly in his posting. If you were capable of stepping back, we could have possibly found a new wagon, but you were too hard up on your OMGUS wagon to and basically just let scum manipulate the game around you.In post 2265, Holiday wrote:You can save your breath and time and stop posturing when Jeff's all but voted me.
I was ready to go for Tracer, but you refused to work in any regards, which is just weak town if you are town.
If you are scum, yeah, way too salty, work on that, bud.Time Is Money, Money Is Power, Power Is Pizza, Pizza is Knowledge- April Ludgate
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mark of a weak townie.In post 2268, Holiday wrote:Wouldn't have collaborated on Tracer.
Uninterested in working with someone who I think could still flip scum. Uninterested in 'stepping back' from my reads when I find your townblock horrific and your actions the catalyst for this entire mess.Time Is Money, Money Is Power, Power Is Pizza, Pizza is Knowledge- April Ludgate
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I don't care, tbh. If I die, my reads will be taken in consideration, they just will, whether people realize it or not. It's the amount of stakes and actions I've forced scum to take this game, and will continue to make.In post 2270, Holiday wrote:Shouldn't have kept pressing on me under the guise of 'good for the town if we kill a townie' rhetoric. :shrug:
There's a reason I have caught more scum than most anyone on the site's history at this point, being here a while helps, though.Time Is Money, Money Is Power, Power Is Pizza, Pizza is Knowledge- April Ludgate
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Don't worry buddy, maybe someone'll get it right tomorrow! You can always improve.In post 2269, April Ludgate wrote:
mark of a weak townie.In post 2268, Holiday wrote:Wouldn't have collaborated on Tracer.
Uninterested in working with someone who I think could still flip scum. Uninterested in 'stepping back' from my reads when I find your townblock horrific and your actions the catalyst for this entire mess.
you think that, but a lot of players I see regress, soTime Is Money, Money Is Power, Power Is Pizza, Pizza is Knowledge- April Ludgate
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if you are town, Holiday, your sacrifice will not be in vain. Even if you stay a salty goose monkey, we will do our best to find the scum who's place you died for.In post 2275, Hella Jeff wrote:you're free.
VOTE: Holiday
if i didn't deliver today you're most certainly seeing it tomorrow
If you are scum....HA HA HA IN YO SCUMMY LITTLE FACETime Is Money, Money Is Power, Power Is Pizza, Pizza is Knowledge- April Ludgate
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If Holiday is town, actually, no matter what, Hella Jeff is never scum.
@HJ - I don't know how much you trust me at this moment, but that was a big moment of trust you gave to me that doesn't make sense as a scum move unless you were making a gambit play, in which you will have successfully pocketed me for the rest of the game.Time Is Money, Money Is Power, Power Is Pizza, Pizza is Knowledge- April Ludgate
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YEAH. Tracer.In post 2278, Holiday wrote:And town, remember who started this entire mess, and who not to listen to. <3Time Is Money, Money Is Power, Power Is Pizza, Pizza is Knowledge- April Ludgate
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