Open 839: White flag Holder [Game Over]

[Dwlee99]

Oh I haven't read

I saw lots of text and was like this is bad

Well: still don't vote yet

[Dwlee99]

I reveal myself

Idk why you did this when we could have no limmed and had a possible VT die. I really doubt you'd be the night kill if we had no limmed

[Dwlee99]

Well there needs to be 5 votes to hammer, and there's 3 scum, if enchant is town and HQ is town then Enchant voting there would lose us the game

[Dwlee99]

It's amusing Dwlee99 persuades ME to not vote, not Firebringer to unvote.

Easier to ask someone to not than someone who did to undo

[Dwlee99]

I mean... what are scum going to do? Quick hammer no lim?

[Dwlee99]

UNVOTE:



I think enchant is town

I know I am town

You're confirmed town

That leaves two people

Time to look at player list

[Dwlee99]

Toogeloo Firebringer
Dwlee99
kunchi ahhlo* Enchant
Not_Mafia*** Alyssa The Lamb

datsi Voyc*
MegAzumarill
numberQ*
DArby Harley Quinn

Here's where I'm at I think

Idk who is town in there

[Dwlee99]

Well on that note...

VOTE: no lim

[Dwlee99]

Why you think Alyssa town?

She was townie before replace out

[Dwlee99]

Are you andante?

[Dwlee99]

Idk if no lim is hammered

[Dwlee99]

Enchant was obvtown, not a weird kill

[Dwlee99]

I'm more surprised they didn't aim for the IC

[Dwlee99]

No one of the people that was plausibly IC vía reaction to firebringer

[Dwlee99]

Oh hm I didn't think of it like that.

Who did and didn't react to FB?

[Dwlee99]

NumberQ?

So one of them is IC and the others are scum by your theory

[Dwlee99]

Oh and firebringer can be scum

[Dwlee99]

I think I want to vote out Voyc.

[Dwlee99]

Yeah intent before so IC can reveal if needed

[Dwlee99]

MathBlade did you rep into a scum slot

[Dwlee99]

Actually your scumread on me is so ridiculous you're probably town, carry on

[Dwlee99]

Although why does town firebringer fake ic revealing...?

[Dwlee99]

I'm on an incompetent streak and spent the whole game tunneled on the jester. That's why I'm not dead

[Dwlee99]

Eg NumbersQ and Dwlee should be screaming the other is scum but aren’t. Means one or more is probably scum.

Why should I be doing this?

[Dwlee99]

I don’t think so and it’s why I think you’re scum.

You don't think so? You disagree with the easily verifiable fact I 1.) Have lost town games recently by sucking and 2.) That I tunneled the jester?

What do you agree with what I have pointed out so far? What do you disagree with (besides the conclusion you’re scum)?
Who would you fake vote for?

I forget what you said. I think looker is town cause it's Alyssa's slot. I'm looking for two more town. I think at some point I looked at different teams and thought voyc would make sense in a lot. I'd fake vote voyc

[Dwlee99]

Here's a real "readlist"

do your own work gl!

Milk & Mocha (0): Jester
Alyssa The Lamb (0): Probly Town
Three (0): Town
Voyc (0): Mafia
Enchant (0): Very Town
Firebringer (0): ??? I'm confused about this person but if I missed someone it's my buddy FB
numberQ (0): Town?
Dwlee99 (0): Town
Harley Quinn (0): Mafia
MegAzumarill (0): Probably Mafia? I dunno really

Tempted to sheep Pooky on other two but really we just need one to get to tomorrow

[Dwlee99]

Pooky's entire theory was that scum avoided the wagon like the plague, which is probably true

[Dwlee99]

Like Dwlee knows the point I am making when I said it earlier and then tries to then suggest my own point is bad yet they take the time to suggest why they aren’t shot?

Like that’s hella bad and they know it.

I'm not really sure what point you're talking about. You said that I should be shot by now. I explained why scum haven't shot me. I don't think responding to your point is bad

[Dwlee99]

I don't think we should lim M&M anymore, not yet anyway

Like it’s even more sus they don’t want to elim NumberQ.

They want credit for the elim on Milk but yet don’t sus those who distanced. It’s weird.

I also just didn't remember this post it's from 1000 posts ago wtf

[Dwlee99]

Over 2 weeks ago smh

[Dwlee99]

Tbh MathBlade the idea I should be night killed as town is just so laughable. I've gotten shot... a few times? Maybe? Since May. And a couple of those times are from being a PR or PR telling to get shot so my townreads live.

[Dwlee99]

Why are you so focused on defense rather than offense?
If my theory is wrong everyone will laugh and go “ha ha it’s math”

Why not push Voyc or whoever you scumread? If you are town then I’d follow.

Cause I don't have an amazing case on voyc. I'm evaluating still

You can be town and wrong so yea I'm gonna defend

[Dwlee99]

Absolutely nothing

[Dwlee99]

Are you actually saying me not REPLACING OUT is scum indicative?

[Dwlee99]

That was sarcasm :I

[Dwlee99]

All scum could certainly be off wagon and I'm thinking mathblade might be scum for forcing this dichotomy

[Dwlee99]

I also still don't understand how to reconcile FB's fake IC claim

I think...

0-1 scum in FB/HQ

2-3 scum in

Voyc, Looker, MegAzumarill, numberQ,

Voyc is literally just the scummiest in that group

[Dwlee99]

You should know from opossum that I don't "treat my buddies like masons." It's something house complained about to me in the mafia thread

[Dwlee99]

All scum could certainly be off wagon and I'm thinking mathblade might be scum for forcing this dichotomy

Again you prove my point you’re not reading.

Toog was also on the jester wagon.

If you want to argue I am idiot town and all scum are off wagon then feel free. It’s possible just not probable.
But if you want to argue that I am scum then you need to argue why I suggest this as scum when it narrows the PoE.

Based on responses if Dwlee is scum then Meg or Q are. I don’t see a Dwlee/Meg/Q with that response.

And I would find town more likely to be dejected than scum based on this. So I would argue the more active players > rand have a scum.

Just realized this isn’t clear.

Toog (who I and Fire replaced) was on the jester wagon.

You arguing 0 scum on it is kinda TMI.

Could be. Not TMI to suggest something that pooky himself suggested (scum avoiding this wagon like the plague)

I bet probably one scum on that wagon at MOST. So this "there has to be scum on wagon" is just dumb. You claim 50/50 if we kill in there, I don't agree. Looking at the actual wagon, me, you, and number are all on there. If one scum that's one in three if there's 1 scum in the wagon, which is worse than random (50/50 cause we won't lim IC cause they reveal if fake voted)

[Dwlee99]

dude are you for real

[Dwlee99]

You’re not able to put yourself as town in a hypothetical.

you're talking about limming someone on the wagon

I'm one of them

wtf

[Dwlee99]

Why wouldn't I include the possibility of limming me?

[Dwlee99]

HURT: voyc

I'm fake voting here, do what you want math

[Dwlee99]

It's only not 50/50 if I assume I'm unlimmable, which is clearly not the case

[Dwlee99]

If a group of players has ONE SCUM

You shouldn't lim in there when a group of 7 has 3. This is basic math

[Dwlee99]

There are 3 people on the wagon my guy

Right

I think max one of them is scum

That means one in three if people agree that only one of them is scum

If we lim off the wagon and my assumption is right, the odds are 2/4 or 3/4.

Which is higher

Your name is mathblade

[Dwlee99]

Even if magically everyone agrees that limming on wagon won't include me, that's still 50/50, aka equal or worse than the odds off

[Dwlee99]

I said there is at most one scum on wagon. Are you misunderstanding or misrepping?

[Dwlee99]

Like math: do you think I'm scum with number? If so, then yea limming on wagon would make sense. But even if you think one of number and I is scum, fypov limming off wagon is equal odds to hit scum. I seriously do not understand what is so hard to comprehend about this, and my patience for you completely derailing any actual discussion in favor of doing what this is is thin

[Dwlee99]

And if it wasn't clear: I don't have a town case on number. I have never had one. Look at 3038. Your "we have to vote on wagon" math is awful, I've already explained why your probabilities aren't good and so I'm not subscribing to it and I'm done discussing it. Voyc IS scummy. Do you have a town case there? No, you don't, because I don't think you've even looked at their posts. Maybe number is scum. Maybe number is town. It doesn't really matter, because we have to vote one scum at a time, and my belief about the wagon scum composition and voyc's play makes me think this is the best shot to hit scum

[Dwlee99]

Vote Count 2.12

With 12 votes in play, it takes 7 to eliminate.


RH9 (7): Voyc, mc esther, MegAzumarill, Three, Firebringer, numberQ, Milk & Mocha,
Milk & Mocha (3):Enchant, RH9, Dwlee99,
Alyssa The Lamb (2): Harley Quinn,
Three (1): Alyssa The Lamb,
Voyc (0):
Enchant (0):
Firebringer (0):
numberQ (0):
mc esther (0):
Dwlee99 (0):
Harley Quinn (0):
MegAzumarill (0):

Not Voting

(0):

Deadline:

(expired on 2022-01-08 22:16:26)

Harley Quinn is on V/LA

It's voyc/HQ/mega probably

[Dwlee99]

Vote count unrelated

[Dwlee99]

Vote Count 1.10

With 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to eliminate.


Toogeloo (5):

marcistar

,

Blood Puppets

,

Three

,

Andante

,

Milk & Mocha

,

Milk & Mocha

(3): Toogeloo, numberQ,

Dwlee99

,
Looker (1): Looker,

Dwlee99

(1): Harley Quinn,

RH9

(1): Voyc,
numberQ (0):
Harley Quinn (0):
Three (0):
Andante (0):
marcistar (0):
Blood Puppets (0):
ahhlo (0):
Voyc (0):
MegAzumarill (0):

Not Voting

(2):

RH9

, MegAzumarill,

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-12-26 15:45:40)

Wow what a cool vote count. I hope it doesn't prove a central thesis of MathBlade's wagon argument entirely bunk (or mathblade is scum)

[Dwlee99]

I changed NM but forgot to change toog. That's your slot with five not scum votes on it. What's that about math?

[Dwlee99]

Yea which is why... every player on the jester is flipped town and I know I'm town

[Dwlee99]

I'm throwing laundry in then going through all of the major wagons, be back soon

[Dwlee99]

1578

Vote Count 1.12

marcistar

(8):

Three

, Harley Quinn,

Blood Puppets

,

mc esther

, MegAzumarill,

Enchant

, numberQ, Dwlee99

Milk & Mocha

(2): MathBlade, Voyc
Looker (1): Looker
MathBlade (1):

marcistar

mc esther

(1):

Milk & Mocha

Not Voting

(1):

RH9

2737

Vote Count 2.12

RH9

(7): Voyc,

mc esther

, MegAzumarill,

Three

, MathBlade, numberQ,

Milk & Mocha

Milk & Mocha

(3):

Enchant

,

RH9

, Dwlee99
Looker (1): Harley Quinn

Three

(1): Looker

2830

Vote Count 3.02

Milk & Mocha

(6): Dwlee99, MathBlade, numberQ,

Three

,

Enchant

,

Milk & Mocha

Not Voting

(4): Voyc, MegAzumarill, Looker, Harley Quinn

Spoiler: with me green

1578

Vote Count 1.12

marcistar

(8):

Three

, Harley Quinn,

Blood Puppets

,

mc esther

, MegAzumarill,

Enchant

, numberQ,

Dwlee99

Milk & Mocha

(2): MathBlade, Voyc
Looker (1): Looker
MathBlade (1):

marcistar

mc esther

(1):

Milk & Mocha

Not Voting

(1):

RH9

2737

Vote Count 2.12

RH9

(7): Voyc,

mc esther

, MegAzumarill,

Three

, MathBlade, numberQ,

Milk & Mocha

Milk & Mocha

(3):

Enchant

,

RH9

,

Dwlee99

Looker (1): Harley Quinn

Three

(1): Looker

2830

Vote Count 3.02

Milk & Mocha

(6):

Dwlee99

, MathBlade, numberQ,

Three

,

Enchant

,

Milk & Mocha

Not Voting

(4): Voyc, MegAzumarill, Looker, Harley Quinn

[Dwlee99]

I'm starting to realize vote counts are worthless to look at without seeing how people interact with wagons on flipped scum

and we don't have that

[Dwlee99]

Whoops I meant @HarleyQuinn on the question I was reading Looker’s posts and said the wrong name

Are you saying my fake vote should be on Dwlee or Q?

I am saying that if you want to fake vote outside of Dwlee/Q you need a damn good case because to me it’s at worst a 50/50 and at best we get a scum either way.

However if you put me in the PoE it’s 1/3rd odds.

So if you want Looker or VoyC you need to explain to me why the wagon on the Jester was all town and why that person is scum. It’s a pretty tall order. I am not saying that Looker/Voyc are town or scum, far from it. If we had a miselim left I might pressure vote but we don’t. So I would rather vote where we have the most probable scum and pray for mod prods.

Wait I'm malding

[Dwlee99]

You said the exact thing I did

I—

I'm not talking to you anymore. Voyc needs to intent to vote someone, and then we give that person one post to confirm ic or not, and then voyc votes them.

(expired on 2022-01-22 14:17:57)

[Dwlee99]

Idk if you missed it but meg intented to vote voyc

[Dwlee99]

Have you heard of bussing

[Dwlee99]

Can someone give a good think as to why town fake claims IC and then attempts a rushed vote on someone btw? I'm realizing maybe we're being silly and FB just scum-claimed and anti-associated HQ with it.

[Dwlee99]

How is it troll and not just straight up gamethrowing as town to fake reveal IC and try to shove a lim through before you're confirmed not confirmed?

[Dwlee99]

Wouldn't the person who did that be scum then though?
Don't understand what you're saying

Yea, I'm saying that move is proscum and look at what FB tried to do. He faked IC and then tried to get people to rush onto voting HQ.

[Dwlee99]

How is it troll and not just straight up gamethrowing as town to fake reveal IC and try to shove a lim through before you're confirmed not confirmed?

I don’t believe in disparaging a player who is not here but if you believe FB game threw that’s for you and the mods to talk out. I happen to know FB and know I am town and the fact you’re trying to pick at minutia rather than argue I am scum is almost a scum claim.

The most reasonable responses are troll and trying to take a bullet.
If FB was scum there the real IC just goes “nuh uh” and FB dies.

I doubt any scum does that ever.

Minutia like your slot literally fake claiming IC and then trying to get a lim through before mod came? How is that minutia...

[Dwlee99]

Math's logic is always bad, not a way to read him

[Dwlee99]

Eh that sounds harsher than I mean, sorry

[Dwlee99]

Everyone imagine themselves in the dead thread

You watched someone claim IC and try to get enchant (flipped town) and me to vote for someone before the mod didn't confirm the reveal.

Would you not be supremely confused figuring out why this is being ignored

[Dwlee99]

Koba pls solve the game now

[Dwlee99]

Okay so I don't think koba said the exact phrase so IC or not they aren't revealed

[Dwlee99]

I mean um yeah I'm the real IC B)

I'm gonna take that as a no though

[Dwlee99]

The firebringer slot fake claimed IC and then got replaced for it, so probably not koba

[Dwlee99]

Why haven't you stated a read on me yet?

[Dwlee99]

Read my fight with MathBlade and get back to me

[Dwlee99]

Koba said they're not IC math

[Dwlee99]

"um yeah" and "B)" are sarcasm indicators

[Dwlee99]

MathBlade is FB

[Dwlee99]

I think Koba is just in antispew mode at this point

[Dwlee99]

What would you like to hear Koba

[Dwlee99]

Case me Koba

[Dwlee99]

MathBlade can you make an ordered reads list please

[Dwlee99]

HQ alt is publicly outed, see ban thread, it was a force replace

[Dwlee99]

I reveal myself

[Dwlee99]

Uh huh?

[Dwlee99]

Nah Koba guessed I was IC and did that to force me to reveal

[Dwlee99]

I don't think you needed to

[Dwlee99]

That was the jester this game

[Dwlee99]

I'm annoyed

Now I have to try to solve the whole thing today

[Dwlee99]

Koba do some town telling please

[Dwlee99]

Because you’re the town of that group my preferred elim is Numbers as there would be a scum on the jester elim

Why does there HAVE to be scum on the jester wagon

[Dwlee99]

ok but fr i would have just voted u and said fuck the consequences as scum u know that

I think the opposite actually

[Dwlee99]

No because I thought you're scum and wanted more reactions

[Dwlee99]

Also I'm around, not enough time for scum to quickhammer especially when one of their slots is repped out

[Dwlee99]

Okay go vibe. I want to go get my school mandated covid test and not do mafia for a little

[Dwlee99]

Oh before I go (no I haven't left my apartment yet lol) I believe the punishment for fake claiming IC was supposed to be a modkill but firebringer was force replaced instead.

[Dwlee99]

Mathblade can you actually solve, I don't have perfect reads even being confirmed + your slot is in contention so town tell or something

[Dwlee99]

Check my posts throughout the site

I don't see the sandwich thread though

[Dwlee99]

I really can't find a sandwich thread

[Dwlee99]

no

[Dwlee99]

u r too scared to vote scum

Sure

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee if yr expecting me to suddenly tryhard its not happening
looker slipped and thats that

Lame

[Dwlee99]

Tempted to just vote koba but I shouldn't


Dwlee help

I am extremely burnt out right now

[Dwlee99]

I'm not voting yet. I need to do my due diligence when I play a game. I can take shortcuts earlier in a game but in an ELO situation there's no room for error and I'm not throwing the entire town's chance down the drain by voting before doing a full think.

I'm just so burnt out so don't expect anything for a bit.

[Dwlee99]

Tick tock on the clock but the party don't stop oh woa

[Dwlee99]

Maybe

[Dwlee99]

fivehead

[Dwlee99]

Didn't you say voting before IC is scum claim

[Dwlee99]

AhhhHHHHH

[Dwlee99]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Dwlee99]

And it was Koba/HQ/Meg

AND THERE WAS NO SCUM ON THE JESTER WAGON

LOL

[Dwlee99]

Love how town derailed my pushes on both voyc and on hq

[Dwlee99]

Like I had Voyc AND HQ in my solve

and just that happened

[Dwlee99]

ffs

[Dwlee99]

Well whatever I had decent reads in ELO I just didn't pull the trigger before other people did which I guess I should have but like... I have been busy and slowly trying to think through things and we still had 20 hours to deadline

[Dwlee99]

Vote Count 2.12

With 12 votes in play, it takes 7 to eliminate.


RH9 (7): Voyc, mc esther, MegAzumarill, Three, Firebringer, numberQ, Milk & Mocha,
Milk & Mocha (3):Enchant, RH9, Dwlee99,
Alyssa The Lamb (2): Harley Quinn,
Three (1): Alyssa The Lamb,
Voyc (0):
Enchant (0):
Firebringer (0):
numberQ (0):
mc esther (0):
Dwlee99 (0):
Harley Quinn (0):
MegAzumarill (0):

Not Voting

(0):

Deadline:

(expired on 2022-01-08 22:16:26)

Harley Quinn is on V/LA

It's voyc/HQ/mega probably

lol

[Dwlee99]

It most likely would've ended the same way tomorrow if koba was flipped

I was p sure it was voyc but I was considering the world where we lim voyc and mathblade refuses to vote HQ!slot anyway and we lose

[Dwlee99]

Koba wasn't I completely right you figured out I was IC and that's why you voted me

[Dwlee99]

Or intented