You're not happening today, and as my read line shows I am very not sure. I did not like your extremely rapid convalescence over something more incremental, nor the way you've interacted with Cakez specifically. I also absolutely think you do the brief cursory review voteswap if you think it will be free and unlikely to be punished.
I would be happy to revisit this Day 2.
I can't control how my emotions function in relation to the game and don't care about the rest
Faker wrote:You also have not directly confirmed 2734. You are the only player here who knows how I think as scum, and I strongly believe the truth value is obvious.
In post 2734, Faker wrote:I would just outsource the read on me to catboi.
Calling out Pooky to go to bat against me was a hard townclaim. Not even remotely worth the risk as scum.
I had admitted it a little earlier but yes you're clearly town this game
Faker wrote:It's not just your emotions; it's how sure you are in pushing something and taking point. I support getting back in the saddle immediately, eager to try again even if you know you will fall flat.
But this isn't about what I want of you, this is about what I think you'd actually do, and I think you'd take it slower.
Again, this is not a hard read, more vague misgivings, but you asked me to speak more and I am willing to.
I feel like I'm taking it pretty slow. I am unabashedly riding your coattails here because I feelyou're more reliable than I am.
In post 2749, Mare wrote:Flow and Sleepless feel like the functionally same elim so I prefer Sleepless who has said stuff recently that can be read posthumously and be somewhat meaningfully.
In post 2760, Mare wrote:Also I don’t actually think this has a great chance of flipping scum and would still prefer Cakez but c’est la vie.
What does the stuff he's said actually matter if you think his chances of flipping scum aren't great?
i don't really care for the sleepless wagon for some reason
im skimming ur iso rn and struggling to find anything i can grab at as towny content
I respect the willingness to take a hero shot but I am not the scum you're looking for, if you make your issues tangible I'll address them. Doesn't have to be now, can be day 2
why do i feel like youv'e been spending a lot of this game in the scum PT
Generally try to be more at the forefront trying to push something, hanging back passively is a great way to lose games, I don't go for the "meh I'll follow others" routine
I was hard ignoring the game through the new year's holiday and you probably felt my absence during hat time even if it didn't register consciously. Somewhat surprised Faker was the only one who called me on it.
Normally can't stand to not be camping the game as scum because I want thread control but as town I'll blow a game off if I find it uninteresting or the discussion is tedious. If anything I'm always the one begging my teammates to post
In post 2828, catboi wrote:only a true weirdo fakeposts about mafia game dreams as scum
RC once actually had some kind of insane experience as town where he remembered events from a game that hadn't actually happened which then mirrored exactly what happened in the game he was in.
later
, he then faked having a similar experience in a game where he was scum for towncred.
In post 2874, innocentvillager wrote:i mean surely you get uninterested as scum too and it was during holiday season anyway so good excuse to step away and come back i don't see how that's unbelievable
you've been a little follow-y at times yea? but also for example if town is on the wrong track i could see you taking this approach d1
but yeah idk ill keep this in mind for tomorrow or something and maybe we can cross check ur meta a little (assuming im alive lol)
My general belief is that passivity loses gamse as scum and I actively try to work against that The bottom line is simply that if I were scum I'd be actively playing toward a loss, as it is I just don't care lol
Pretty sure the only vote I've actively sheeped is the sleepless one (although, again, my tendency is to
In post 2853, Faker wrote:The wagon makeups say vote Sleepless but also I have seen scum bus in the absolute dumbest scenarios and
his recent content is better
Heavily considering voting flow trap
?????
Actually worked through me/you and went a bit further.
2822 doesn't do much for me, the conclusion "one is pocketing the other" felt arbitrary and I didn't like the conditional add-on at the end of 2835 at all - feels like it's making a show of re-evaluating on a scumread that wasn't going anywhere
In post 2925, Andante wrote:there is too much resistance to a sleepless vote here for sleepless to be town
Meh. Resistance arguments mean absolutely nothing to me and are rarely actually meaningful. On the other hand I'm not terribly swayed by the arguments in 2911
On the other other hand midway's recent posts do not endear him to me
In post 3030, Prism wrote:@catboi you're up, track through the flow trap progression+NSG interactions in Sleepless ISO and collate it into a single post. Keep on mind Sleepless thought NSG knew main.
was halfway to writing a post on sleepless but opened flow trap's iso to check when their last post was relative to the rest of the game, and kind of hate that flow dipped right after promising to catch up :/. Know that the inactivity isn't an alignment tell but the fact that it came after that specific post makes me feel like it's more than likely they had trouble coming up with things to say as part of a catchup and dipped
In post 3080, catboi wrote:Anyway Faker I'm not seeing whatever you're seeing in regard to the northside interactions from sleepless sorry to disappoint yet again
tl;dr: IMO noticeably more worried about northsidegal reading him correctly than utilizing her reads, has mostly thrown in towel on swaying her and iirc had virtually given up on that front. Doesn't leverage her read on flow trap at all and completely ignores it. Pair w/ Sleepless thinking she had knowledge of main at start, likely targeted interactions+selective ignorance.
Very rushed outline, no longer have time to read and will not before deadline. Absolute comedy of errors atm requiring borrowing items from 5 different people/entities, community effort interview, still have to do a bunch of research/prep and it is shortly after deadline.
Right probably was a mistake on my part to only look at it from one side
the tldr of what I was writing last night was that sleepless's suspicion of flow trap never really moved beyond a couple basic reasons and he avoided really responding to the counterargumentss from faker and northside that the behavior he was scumreading from flow is not necessarily alignment indicative by meta
then I looked back at flow and started to second-guess myself and didn't post it
reread the iso and almost all of the last 40-ish posts are white noise
this progression looks super scum-motivated now that we know Sleepless was town
In post 3079, catboi wrote:was halfway to writing a post on sleepless but opened flow trap's iso to check when their last post was relative to the rest of the game, and kind of hate that flow dipped right after promising to catch up :/. Know that the inactivity isn't an alignment tell but the fact that it came after that specific post makes me feel like it's more than likely they had trouble coming up with things to say as part of a catchup and dipped
like for example look at this
he was leaving himself open to vote both wagons regardless of where the tides went
In post 2666, catboi wrote:Andante: town
skitter30: null
midwaybear: probably town
Mare: lean town
innocentvillager: town
SirCakez: lean scum
Faker: sheepishly admitting he's town
catboi - nya
Menalque: scumlean from pooky, willing to give him time to get into the game
Datisi: lean town
northsidegal: probably town, under the impression she's fairly polarized and think posting is all right so far
Sleepless Assassin: null
flow trap: scum
Something_Smart: null
In draft order because that's more fun
I guess if the wagons are unsatisfying I'd entertain a vote on something_smart, or if I were feeling particularly spicy, skitter
and look at this readslist he has Flow as scum but never once really went after flow at EoD he just sat on Sleepless
you just quoted a readslist out of context to incriminate me for not wanting to vote flow later in the day
I am not particularly in the mood for this right now
What I was thinking was that I'd rather shift my attention toward someone who was low impact day 1 but didn't get a lot of attention, felt something_smart fit that bill, so skimmed his day 1 ISO, didn't like it, put a vote there. I get the explanation for Holiday dance party but not sure it changes anything in my mind (I knew he was scum that game and mostly stopped paying attention). I guess the vote on andante is
some
form of action here but I don't really like it
I still need to to properly read back. I also don't feel like doing that right now.
In post 3313, skitter30 wrote:i lowkey think midway and ss are town too, don't particularly want to push either rn
i think we need to push nsg more tho
In post 3316, midwaybear wrote:Ye, I townread Andante and sort of townread skitter. Based off of Sleepless (rip) claim, we know that there is either doctor or roleblocker in this game. I'm pretty sure skitter and Andante were also pretty townread yesterday, so it would make sense for scum to try to kill them. But, if my reads on them are right (hopefully), scum didn't kill them because they fear that doc might be on them. This explains why skitter and Andante are alive I think and I will probably townread whoever claims doctor (maybe not locktown but pretty sure there is doc).
Note: This sort of hinges on everything above being true which idk how likely that is. But I want to take that risk.
Also, I do think scum would aim higher, so there's at least one scum in Datisi/Mena imo (probably just one; but double is tinfoil).
In post 3331, midwaybear wrote:Yeah, logically there is not much reason to be voting Datisi over Mena. Maybe because I have experience playing with Datisi. But I really don't have a good answer. What's your take on Datisi/Mena?
The impression I had was that pooky was not very town and menalque did essentially ~nothing at EOD which struck me as odd that you'd be more critical of Datisi there
In post 3351, skitter30 wrote:i mean i voted you to try to get some sort of reaction out of you that i could read, you ignored my vote, didn't have a comment when i asked you about it, so yes i'm escalating it a bit. i need you to interact with me back ...
no, i don't have a case, but i'm not calling you scum, i said as much above that i'm voting you to try to sort you. if you're scum i want to figure that out today, if you're town i also want to figure that out today, and i don't know a better way to make that happen; if you have one i'm all ears
what scumread do you think i'm shutting down
Why would you ever think I'm going to have a reaction to a vote like that, as either alignment? If you want me to interact, I recommend
using your words
. I do not understand what telling Alyssa to vote me does for the purpose of sorting me. I put my initial vote down on S_S, you call him town, I talk with midway about his read on datisi/menalque and you think the menaslot is town, it certainly
In post 3367, catboi wrote:Why would you ever think I'm going to have a reaction to a vote like that, as either alignment? If you want me to interact, I recommend using your words. I do not understand what telling Alyssa to vote me does for the purpose of sorting me. I put my initial vote down on S_S, you call him town, I talk with midway about his read on datisi/menalque and you think the menaslot is town, it certainly looks like you're undercutting what I'm saying
I was even looking for something like 'why are you voting me', that's kinda the level of reaction i was looking for ... some sort of something that i can use to have a convo back
I'm also not sure i told alyssa to vote you, but ok
I also wouldnt say i'm undercutting your reads either, so much as sharing my opinion on them (also with the hopes that you'd comment back, but you're right, i should have been more direct)
Okay well I have no idea where I can go with this that is actually productive
In post 3398, Datisi wrote:i don't even think andante is scum atm i am just heavily annoyed at everything she's been posting today lol
ok valid shit i prob need to relook at cakez again at some point
What changed your mind on her just now?
I have no idea what to mak of her posts this day but still think day 1 was probably out of her range as scum with acknowledgement I am mostly terrible at reading her
Also I thought cakez was scummy yesterday but I kind of felt lioke he doesn't get so tilted at me today as scum. (Mostly it just made me feel sad). Having us both at the bottom of a reads list is ????
In post 3408, catboi wrote:Okay well I have no idea where I can go with this that is actually productive
Ok, what do u think abt the stuff i posted abt ss
Meh. First two points don't land for me because scum townread townies being run up all the time. I might check holiday dance party to see how he responded to pressure there.
I think midwaybear's posting right now is fine. Him going "idk" to my question about why he was voting Datisi raised some alarm but right now he doesn't seem uncomfortable responding to things where generally he struggles to interact in realtime as scum
