open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[skitter30]

ok, sure.
but it has been like a week and we're like a fair way through day1 and you'v enot been on vla this whole time, so that was me trying to change that before the day ends ...

and why are you voting me for this

[skitter30]

I didn't even lurk in that game.

also you were active lurking for like a week in that game ?

[skitter30]

It wasnt a threat, more just an observation
Do u want to read sleepless's wall + his iso and tell me what you think? You dont need a lot of prior context for that

[skitter30]

also you were active lurking for like a week in that game ?

I hate the term "active lurking". I was posting but not providing a lot of reads. I'm not even sure that's a scumtell for me, in general, but in that situation it probably was.

Meanwhile here I'm not posting at all, over a holiday weekend. That, at least to me, seems totally different.

Ok fair enuf, i do see the difference. Fwiw i wasnt really calling you scum for it, more just making an observation. Also 'posting but not really providing a lot of reads' is my definition of active lurking

And i do understand the holiday weekend, i'm just hoping that you'll have some content before eod

[skitter30]

Do u want to read sleepless's wall + his iso and tell me what you think?

I know it's not directed at me but,
I think sleepless's wall is a repeat of a lot of what I said,which is why I don't like it, sure it could've been genuine thoughts, but a lot of it was like exact things I was saying so ehhh anyone going "I'll read later" then when they do read, there's nothing original, and it's all repeating stuff already said, makes you really question if it came from town

I'd be very happy to wagon him

[skitter30]

i'm just hoping that you'll have some content before eod

feels like a d2 thing to talk about, not here? like if you tell people "I hope you have content by eod" if they're scum, they become aware...

I mean i want them to be aware ...
Also yay

[skitter30]

And fwiw for ss i think this is probably a town reaction

[skitter30]

Nothing about this is similar to Radio Buzz. I didn't even lurk in that game.

Also sorry if i annoyed you

[skitter30]

Not really sold on coin flipping with Sleepless; iirc the wall was fine. I realize this is funny coming from someone voting Cakez.

I disagree with virtually every word of Skitter's 1705, concurred that the NSG line was strange but didn't find it AI.

Yeah i'm not sure that bit in particular was ai, just noting that it was bizarre. I take more issue with the iioa + the iv scumread (+ if anyone is interested in doing some homework, take a look at sleepless in ss's recent pyp from like two weeks, and lmk what you think)

[skitter30]

the fact that even after a full read i could not tell you a single Actual Read that sleepless has is problematic, but i'm not quite sure if it's due the post not having any or me just losing focus every three seconds.

I mean i think this is a but of a probelem + scum indicative imo

[skitter30]

if that was directed at me ... i didn't really comment because i don't really have any thoughts on cakez still, and i'm not sure what your case is against him beyond 'not liking his posts' and 'don't see a reason to townread him', which i dont' find super compelling given that i feel that about like 6 different people rn + i finally found a scumread that i'm kinda satisfied with after like 70 pages so i want to push that now

[skitter30]

sorry >.>
i'm not trying to piss you off either but i don't know what you want from me here >.>

[skitter30]

<.<

[skitter30]

faker r u ok

^

i think i broke him but not actually sure how >.>

[skitter30]

and those are

oops reasons probably imples that I actually have reasons. but my reasons for voting you are mostly that nobody really seems to scumread you (which I find odd because I don't think many people are townreading you) and I have disagreed with a lot of your takes this game

i mean, ok:
- why does nobody scumreading me mean that you should vote me (kinda just trying to understand this thought process here ...)
- which takes do you disagree with?
- in general, do you have any spicy reads you'd like to share?

[skitter30]

I can definitely elaborate more later, rather than count on players to link descriptors to posts that aren't within 10 pixels of each other, but it will wait.

fwiw i have since but was gonna wait for this

[skitter30]

It feels weird because most people in this game have received pressure. I think all townies go through suspicion at one point or another, so you sort of remaining on the fringes of that is weird. That part was sort of a gut thing so idk if I explain it too well.
Some takes were: Datisi early game was "cool", SA beetlejuicing was scummy. I know it is only two though...
I gave my reads yesterday. I think my most spicy read atm is that you are scum. Also, I read 1705
I don't read your quoted portion of SA's bigpost as backwards justification. Although I do agree that the reasons given weren't that scum-indicative (for IV), I think it is a reasonable belief to have as town. Ok, the stuff on IV later isn't too great either. I don't really understand why you called him out for his nsg section either.
It just seems to me that you can't really read SA based on his takes because he is perpetually behind. So I would read him based off his real-time interactions and, again, I don't think scum is that open about "beetlejuicing" which makes him a town lean for me.

ok so just to be clear about part of the reason i'm suspicious of SA:
- his real time interactions are utterly lacking as well, they're not something i can really read him off of
- i just (as in two weeks ago just) played a game with him (i.e. see ss's pyp from like two weeks ago), wherein he was significantly easier to read, had real time interactions, popped in occasionally with thoughts, had follow-through between his posts, had significant scumreads, etc, while also being behind and having the same work schedule, so i don't think he should be given a pass here for that at all
- here he's just utterly blah, and i know he can not be as town, so i'm finding it scummy
- like @dats thoughts on sa this game vs that game? same for cakez, pooky, ss, if he read that game, andante?
- the issue i'm taking with his iv read is that it's very flat and shallow, and is nitpicking on like three or four posts and ignoring his body of work. it looks like he's struggling to find reads and to find something to scumread people for

[skitter30]

VOTE: skitter

sigh hi

[skitter30]

That was a fast moving game too >.>

[skitter30]

I think i might be tunneled and annoyed and need to think abt this less
Or differently idk
UNVOTE:

[skitter30]

tiger wanna vote midwaybear together with me?

Maybe tomorrow, i dont think i can think abt this tonight rn

That feels just as out of nowhere as the vote itself did

I am getting annoyed with the universe for oog reasons and i think its bleeding over here and i dont want it to so i'm just gonna take a break and revisit this

I think i might be tunneled and annoyed and need to think abt this less
Or differently idk
UNVOTE:

Insert ms paint image of a very tired tiger, one who has possibly just gotten run over by a nascar

[skitter30]

I'm like 98% certain clicking that is gonnna utterly ruin my youtube feed

And ty i hope so too

[skitter30]

Pooky when i get over being exhausted/sick/everything we still have a lot to talk abt

[skitter30]

Thanks :) <3

[skitter30]

Lol

[skitter30]

i don't know if i'm the best town player in this pl, and i think i've been a bit ~scatterbrained~ / ~ all over the place~ over the past few days, which doesn't really help things. i think i'm feeling a little better tho

~
i think that sleepless has a point in that this game is moving faster than the last game, but i still low-key think that his approach to the game is scummy, since a large portion of his iso consists of beetlejuicing without really adding new content ...

despite many pages and a lot of bickering, i think i'm still basically here, with dats probably on the row below, taking out mare, and adding sleepless and pooky to the scum side

thus far i like andante and dats
and maybe faker iv and mare

pings on midwaybear
and i'm still somewhat suspicious of catboi's 21 but he obviously isn't super into the game yet so idk we'll see. the sleepless vote was a good point tho

[skitter30]

@andante i mean i agree, i'm just saying i *can* see a universe where town-him got stuck in catch-up mode and never managed to get out of it
all in all i do still scumread him tho

pedit >.>

[skitter30]

Pooky - I think town.

Skitter - Something feels different this game but can't figure out what. Maybe its just that she's pressuring me this time.

- why do you think pooky is town?
- the feeling off is mostly for oog reasons, but i'm finally feeling better (and you are free to ignore me saying this)

either way VOTE: sleepless

~
also just a random thought wrt catboi: i can't say i'm townreading him, but i also don't really think this is the approach he takes to this game as scum

[skitter30]

FWIW I liked 1871 but that was getting no traction and I'm voting catboi anyway atm

does this mean you no longer scumread cakez?

[skitter30]

was saying I think if he continues doing nothing but floating it's scum-indicative

ah yes
i strongly agree with this statement

[skitter30]

catboi is town

i don't see it

SA's wall seems very town. I can get more into that if people think it would help.

it would, yes

[skitter30]

if that means you want to catch up on all 77 pages before you describe what you like about the wall, i'd kinda just rather you talk about why you like the wall >.>

[skitter30]

i don't see it

you see maf writing 1903? and like the amount of effort catboi is giving? like I'm pretty sure he's not maf

it's nai and in his wheelhouse and he has to do the effort as either alignment
i don't think there's anything to townread (or scumread) there, it just is

[skitter30]

if that means you want to catch up on all 77 pages before you describe what you like about the wall, i'd kinda just rather you talk about why you like the wall >.>

No just the 7 pages since I posted last

fair enuf

[skitter30]

how are you possibly thinking i'm scum with sleepless, i'm actively pushing him >.>

and i was just thinking he wanted to catch up on the whole game first, we'd probably be waiting a while which seems silly since he's said he's actually read the wall, he can just say what he thinks about it

[skitter30]

so, uh, why am i voting/pushing/attempting to wagon my partner again ... ?

[skitter30]

again, literally voting him, pushing him, trying to wagon him when i have like six other people i could be pushing, but ok. like you realize my vote is presently on him, right?

also again i think sleepless's pooky read is a quintessential read on a partner

[skitter30]

sounds good, i would love to wagon him

[skitter30]

thanks ss

i guess i kinda object to your classifying that wall as 'ambitious' as scum, i think for a lot of people coming in with a wallpost like that to catch up is a lot easier as scum than interacting with, like, everything else

and i see your latter point, ig to me it just felt like an attempt to seem Nuanced, but it didn't read as coherent throughout to me, just like a lot of words and observations but not a lot of sorting or pushing

@ss

[skitter30]

i was in that one! and i do think this is reminiscent of that, yes
i also think he turns into more of a wallposter as scum

also quotestripe for thirty pages isn't super practical? it's pretty clear that it was pre-mediditated and that he had spent a long time thinking about it and how he was going to write that

pedit htat one too!

[skitter30]

Why .....

Also: pooky when are we gonna talk

[skitter30]

Ive basically never seen scum claim impulsively like that before for no reason so im fine with mare being strong town

I dont think this is a good reason to townread her tbh

[skitter30]

Turns out I'm off work today, so I'll be by in a bit~

Same, i am enjoying my new years observed

[skitter30]

I'd want to hang out in a PT :3

Hi

[skitter30]

Hai

Can we discuss your midway read in greater depth and why you were trying to get me to vote there, and what you think of sleepless

[skitter30]

Is Mare's main known?

She didnt say it but said some ~recognizable~ things, but i wont say it unless she's ok with it

Pedit or anyone else

[skitter30]

Ive basically never seen scum claim impulsively like that before for no reason so im fine with mare being strong town

I dont think this is a good reason to townread her tbh

Upon further reflection maybe it is

[skitter30]

I dont really get the connection between 'annoyed that things werent happening' -> 'could have joined mwb'

I said the point of the original sleepless vote was pressure (i.e. to make things happen hopefully)

Also andante is voting him too

[skitter30]

Mine

Pooky's feeling kinda passive and i guess idk if that's ai or not

Pedit noooooooooo i wanted that pagetop :(

[skitter30]

I feel like today is going to end in a midway flip

[skitter30]

I really hate inevitable statements like that. Is that a desirable or undesirable outcome for you?

I dont have strong feelings tbh, it just feels liek that's where this is heading given everything

Like i would prefer sleepless rn but i wouldnt hate it to end on midway

[skitter30]

I dont really get the connection between 'annoyed that things werent happening' -> 'could have joined mwb'

I said the point of the original sleepless vote was pressure (i.e. to make things happen hopefully)

Also andante is voting him too

I don't think one or two votes is significant in terms of making anything happen.

Who are you even trying to pull into voting for SA? Who do you even see as willing to support the wagon there atp?

- by making things happen i meant 'trying to get some of the under the radar slots to do stuff' not 'create wagon momentum somewhere'
- i spent, like, most of saturday night trying to solicit votes/people's opinions on him
- i am slowly recognizing that there really isnt so much (which i'm noting that i find rather curious and scum indicative in this gamestate) and that we're probably not ending there today

But given there are, like, six slots not voting i believe at either the last vc or the one before, i'm not too optimistic on how today ia going to end

[skitter30]

The issue skitter is that other people start to believe that statement about inevitability and acquiesce. I find it hard to believe you didn't know that and that it is unintentional.

Its a statement on how i feel abt the game rn. Its not something that i necessarily want, and i feel like i have spent a fair amt of energy in the past like three days trying to introduce other options so

[skitter30]

Oh the irony

[skitter30]

Eh maybe mare is town

[skitter30]

skitter who do you actually think you can get to vote for SA at this point?

i'm kinda running out of options (again, noting that that's bizarre given how little content he has, it really shouldn't be impossible to get more then 2 votes on him)

which is when i turned to contemplate the broader gamestate

and again i'm noting that i think you're scum with him

pedit i'm like p sure i had neighborizer as scum 2x

[skitter30]

Okay, so no one bit on me trying to save my buddy. What’s the scum motivation I have for not following up at all with it, not intervening, not changing to bus, like...

Like I just say “why” do nothing he dies and then there’s this awkward beat there in an ISO that has already left me POE’d...?

fwiw although i dont' think that's what you were doing there, i can understand why cakez thought it looked liked trying to defend a buddy, and i dont' think scum who is trying to defend a buddy necessarily follows up either, you don't want to call *too* much attention to your defense of your partner

pedit oh actually i think i only was only neighborizer once, i do have a very distinct memory of being in a hood one of those games but upon recollection i dont' think it was me

i did pick it at least once tho

pedit 2x town - good vibes/sorting
scum - pocket the shit out of people

[skitter30]

skit what is going on with your mare read

it occured to me that i don't think scum-her chooses neighborizer at that position
(and last time she was near the top she went for a good scum pick too)

pedit what i was doing i really don't know

[skitter30]

*last time she was near the top as scum i meant

[skitter30]

oh i picked 1s watcher but got hooded that first time

[skitter30]

i know she was the top last time but idk the full context
but i think she goes for a 'better' scum pick as scum

especially if there isn't scum in andante/whoever's in third position

whereas as town she just goes for the pt vibes

[skitter30]

i know she was the top last time but idk the full context
but i think she goes for a 'better' scum pick as scum

The context is that she picked cop and was forced to PoE herself out, much like you were in Venrob's PYP. The downside of taking a strong role is that then you can't kill that role off.

ah ok thanks, i think that does indeed lessen it a bit

~

either way:
won't vote: dats iv mare faker andante
don't really want to vote: ss, sircakez
will vote if i have to i suppose: pooky catboi midway nsg
want to vote: sa

[skitter30]

oh i thought i counted to make sure i didn't miss anybody >.> flow's in 'will vote if i have to i suppose' row

although now that i think about it voting them actually seems kinda appealing

[skitter30]

if you don't want to vote sleepless after your homework i can vote flow

[skitter30]

As a response to a point of skitter's, I do think with IV that it is very hard to NOT to not pick out small things and ignore the full context unfortunately.

i cant parse the double negative :(

[skitter30]

ok thanks .... i thought that's what you meant but there were two nots and then i got confused
if you want to wagon flow i'd be down too tbh
while i do scumread sleepless, part of me does recognize that there might be oog reasons for the things i scumread

[skitter30]

i kinda do think flow just knew prism was in the game but didn't know it was you

[skitter30]

ah that's a good point actually

[skitter30]

also g'luck with your essay

[skitter30]

eh you're a p decent writer
and again i quite enjoy your sense of humor :)

[skitter30]

big oof >.>

[skitter30]

ok so like we have a day and a half and the leading wagon has 3 votes ...

[skitter30]

maybe
i'm not feeling super optimistic

VOTE: flow

wanna see if this will do anything, again noting:

- it's bizarre that i can't get the sleepless wagon to have more than 2 votes
- i think sleepless and pooky are aligned
- i will vote any of: sleepless, flow, catboi, pooky, nsg to get an ending day wagon, and will do ss/sircakez if i have to but don't want to. midway i'd vote too but am not confident at all that will flip scum either, and i don't really think that's a winning wagon

pedit oh nice
well i'm happy either way

[skitter30]

i can switch back, like i said i'm happy either way at this point but i don't think sleepless is getting more than 3 votes

(which, for the sixth time, is bizarre)

[skitter30]

i have, but in short:

one of the few times pooky had game-related content this game was shortly after i voted sleepless, wherein he made frankly bizarre insinuations that i was scum with midway and was somewhat manipulative in trying to get me to vote midway to assuage those concerns

his concerns did not make sense to me, and i really can't imagine why he was trying to get me to vote midway other than that he didn't like my current vote

i had to leave in middle of this convo but tried to restart it a few times and didn't have much success so yeah from my pov i'm still thinking this

also sleepless, in his most recent readslist, has an ineffectual 'i think town' read on pooky

[skitter30]

oh this is cool

also again i don't have the draft memorized and i didn't know you were in the third position until about 12 seconds ago when i went to go look at the draft

[skitter30]

Feel better <3

[skitter30]

I don't want to get into a shit flinging contest with you because the last time we did that a bunch of people repped out and I don't want this game to also become unpleasant.

While i still kinda scumread pooky, this kinda 'clicked' in my mind and i can see his play now as coming from a town alignment

~
Nsg why do you townread flow?

~
Sleepless given that you said you were off today can we expect more catching up today, i hope that pop-in to vote flow does not go under the radar

Depending on the above will probably switch back to sleepless

~
Iv i dont really have a great reason why i'm not voting midway, other than my gut doesn't feel like he's scum or he's the right vote and i reallj should listen to my gut more on these things

I dont think he slipped, i think he just phrased things poorly

~
Back to work today, will be around less now

[skitter30]

I dont think you've done anything out of line, and i dont think you're being unreasonable, and i think that how you're approaching him is very +town (albeit apparently he's finding you annoying)

And i dont like the way he's reacted/handled this entire situation, and i do think its +scum

At the same time i can see a universe where he felt past experiences with you were ~unpleasant~ and is choosing to interact this way to avoid a repeat (i am thinking of the *other* trust fall)

Again not saying this is what's happening or that i townread him for it, but like it makes sense as a coherent motivator for what he's been doing this game, and i *can* see it coming from town, and it makes his play kinda *fit* in my mind, even if i'm not sure it comes from town, if that makes sense. Like if he's town that's what he's doing here, whereas before the 'pooky motivation' box in my head was just filled with a lot of question marks, and again noting on balance i think its more scum than town to begin with

And yeah i suppose we can see what happens next with that slot anyways

[skitter30]

On the one hand, i feel kinda vindicated that nsg agrees with my sleepless push
On the other hand, i feel like i dont townread her and i'm a little worried i'm getting taken for a ride

~
Also flow still looks like a decent option, dont particularly care for the cakez push rn but will note that its a little weird that he didnt want to go after catboi because 'he got burned last time and catboi isnt a viable option' but was pushing pooky despite 'getting burned last time while pooky wasnt really a viable option'

Mare sounds like ss is a goos option if you want chess vibes lol

[skitter30]

menalque replaces pooky. we shall have a deadline in (expired on 2022-01-06 14:00:00)

Oh! Hello!

[skitter30]

Would like to hear more from skitter about staying on flow. The Pooky announcement has been replaced so I can talk about it.

Basically waiting for the rver promosed sleepless content to decide which way i want to fall

[skitter30]

menalque replaces pooky. we shall have a deadline in (expired on 2022-01-06 14:00:00)

Oh! Hello!

Hi skitt! Can you tell me why the top two wagons are top two wagons?

Basically i spent nineteen billion years pushing sleepless (there's quite a lot in my iso abt him) but couldnt ger more than 2 votes on him, last night i noted the leading wagon had 3 votes and we were 36 hours to deadline, so agreed to switch to a compromise vote that faker was pushing (i stronfly townread him, and dont have a reason to tr flow), which kicked off a lot of activity in the past ~15 hours for both flow and sleepless, and also some cakez some of which i still need to catch up on, which i will do this evening

[skitter30]

No me and nsg flipped you >.>

[skitter30]

Tbf i didnt remember that one. I was thinking of this one (which nsg linked already)

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=78246

Kitcat = me (my one and only attempt at alting)
Cultofathena = nsg
Sleepless was scum, i was town, i think nsg was town too but i dont remember for sure

Fwiw i am getting some cold feet on sleepless

[skitter30]

Is that to me?

[skitter30]

I dont know what you're trying to say >.>

[skitter30]

The reasons i'm getting cold feet on sleepless:
- i was reading into the wagon resistance but iv had a good point that everything had wagon resistance
- i was thinking pooly/sleepless had a lot of partner-y associatives but i dont sr pooky's slot anymore, so that invalidates
- evidence of town-me asking town-sleepless to catchup (thus, not inherently scum indicative)
- recognizing i am possibly tunneled and like i do see a possible town motivation for sleepless's actions (i.e. not caught up), dont see the same for flow

Pedit i hope its ok i said that >.> figured if nsg linked the same game was ok

[skitter30]

Ah sorry >.> thought it was you who linked it

[skitter30]

I'm sufficiently motivated to make an effort to do something besides shitpost.

Any suggestions for me to look at? I'm thinking midwaybear and if I really want to be bold skitter.

I am deeply and mortally wounded by any and all such allegations

~
@sleepless what do *you* think of flow trap (and cakez)

[skitter30]

Eh insinuation may have been a better word
Was just me being dramatic

[skitter30]

God, what is wrong with me?

I don't think you've given the same benefit of the doubt to flow and Sleepless that you have to Cakez.

Yeah i was gonna say its been like six hours since the cake wagon existed >.>

I'll followup in a few hours, i'm nominally still at work and this is a little more involved

[skitter30]

dont particularly care for the cakez push rn but will note that its a little weird that he didnt want to go after catboi because 'he got burned last time and catboi isnt a viable option' but was pushing pooky despite 'getting burned last time while pooky wasnt really a viable option'

@cakez did you respond to this?

[skitter30]

sleepless i'm really sorry to keep badgering you, but like, how/when are you planning on catching up and/or how do you think you'll be able to get to a point where you're able to engage with the game more holisitcally?

like is there any way i can help with that?

i'm like instinctively scumreading you, and your content, but i can *see* and understand the universe where you're town who just hasn't been able to catch up, and i really don't want to flip you in that universe, but we can't just not pressure you for the rest of the game because you're behind

like i'm not really sure what the best way to handle your slot is rn ..

pedit yes

[skitter30]

God, what is wrong with me?

I don't think you've given the same benefit of the doubt to flow and Sleepless that you have to Cakez.

i'm around now
i feel like i'm actively giving the benefit of the doubt to sleepless
flow i don't really see anything to townread
cakez neither but i also don't know if this is how he approaches this as scum

[skitter30]

Hi

Pooky claimed lime doctor can you verify?

i actually kinda bizarrely hate this

[skitter30]

ok ... i don't think i want to flip you anymore today (i.e. i am no longer convinced you're scum) but uh i really hope you're readable/resolveable by elo and i hope i'm not just kicking this down the road

[skitter30]

sleepless i'm really sorry to keep badgering you, but like, how/when are you planning on catching up and/or how do you think you'll be able to get to a point where you're able to engage with the game more holisitcally?

like is there any way i can help with that?

i'm like instinctively scumreading you, and your content, but i can *see* and understand the universe where you're town who just hasn't been able to catch up, and i really don't want to flip you in that universe, but we can't just not pressure you for the rest of the game because you're behind

like i'm not really sure what the best way to handle your slot is rn ..

pedit yes

Don't like this post

fair enuf

[skitter30]

I would like to point out that flow hasnt said anything or had any reaction to his wagon yet
(And theoretically he doesnt know abt the extended deadline, so as far as he knows deadline is in like 4 hours or something)

[skitter30]

I would like to point out that flow hasnt said anything or had any reaction to his wagon yet
(And theoretically he doesnt know abt the extended deadline, so as far as he knows deadline is in like 4 hours or something)

how does that make you feel about this wagon?

Leaning towards scum indicative ... kinda feel like town makes sure to check in to make sure a wagon happens >.>

(Or nai and he's busy i suppose)

[skitter30]

I mean sure, but i think town are more motivated to *post* during this time

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I didnt say anybody was throwing, i said i think in a vaccuum town are more likely to check in at eod. I also think a person's likelihood to 'fish, flail, and stall' depends is entirely personality dependant / dependant on how the person plays scim

Like i'm just thinking about myself, i utterly hate getting wagoned as scum, and i have sometimes indeed f5'd without commenting because its easier, fishing flailing and stalling is absolutely not my go-to tactic, and i would rather just wait the timer out if i think its inevitable-ish. Maybe make a token post for appearances, but like i dont start flailing

And i said that its entirely possible he's entirely checked out as well

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Either way this discussion has made me think my point is nai, as i was reminded that different people have different tendencies towards playing scum in a vaccuum

Also tbf if he's scum i would imagine someone had said something abt the situation in the scum pt, which i do think people check more often than the main thread, so he's probably completely unaware

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I've never played with flow trap, no
I didnt say this is doomsday inevitable, i was explaining how i would be feeling in this situation (which is what i was extrapolating from), and scum-me would consider this inevitable-ish, yes

Also jsut like not everyone plays scum like me, not everyone plays scum like you ...

Pedit well i am no longer down to vote sleepless

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i have seen scum PTs that were a page long, you'd be surprised how little some scum post/check in there

Very fair, but i also do think 'you're the leading wagon with 36 hours left' id a noteabke enuf event to comment on

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Also jsut like not everyone plays scum like me, not everyone plays scum like you ...

Anyways i'm gonna go pretend to do my job now

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VOTE: sleepless

reread the iso and almost all of the last 40-ish posts are white noise

yeah he seems like he's just here for the sake of being here. i kind of feel like he'd try to posture more as scum though.

i agree but i kinda feel like he wouldn't, like, bother with the white noise like this as scum? or like i don't think he'd be hanging around in thread to bicker with people as scum

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Would be exceptionally curious to hear why because I found basically nothing in his posting that you should be giving the benefit of the doubt to

- i can understand the perspective that he's behind and htat it's hard to provide real-time perspective given that (and that it must be rather *difficult* to catch up to the extent he wants given the pace of the game this whole game)
- idk if he hangs out in thread as he is rn as scum
- idk if he keeps telling people to vote one of himself/flow as scum to get an eod wagon

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nsg your avatar is really disorienting me lol
midway i kinda hate that pop-in

i am *checks notes* on p112

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I want to note that my first instinct to seeing this was to think every wagon was wrong, unvote, and cower in a corner because I suck.

fwiw there is part of me that feels this way too >.>

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wrt to cat i think i said this somewhere ... i explicitly do not townread him, and most of his posting feels +scum to me in a gut-sense, but i also feel like this isn't how he approaches this game as scum, and the latter thought is winning

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The wagon makeups say vote Sleepless but also

I have seen scum bus in the absolute dumbest scenarios and his recent content is better

fwiw i had this thought too as well >.>

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what do we all think of cakez here?

really meh but not sure ai

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VOTE: Sleepless
Think this is E-2

why sleepless over flow
like just *gestures* at this vote, why

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Activity as a whole is never an alignment tell for me. Just like me not being here means I'm at work, me being here just means I'm home. Don't town read me for being home.

fair enuf

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why sleepless over flow
like just *gestures* at this vote, why

idk im fine to vote either but i didn't like sleepless questioning iv on dream
and agree with others that his posting just doesn't seem townie but this does remind me of how i would be posting so idk
idk what to do about flow though (there might be something)

idk this is a bad post
tbh i wouldn't be opposed to midway again

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also fwiw i don't think scum sleepless keeps trying to herd votes back to himself .... >.>
should we try a midway flashwagon?

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no, i get that, but when people suggest voting elsewhere he keeps telling people to vote flow or him (not putting ny particular emphasis on flow, and including himself) , he's done it a few times now

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i think i'm kinda townreading nsg now, fwiw
(not particularly this interaction, just like in general)

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i'm not, really. i feel better voting him than sleepless rn tho

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fwiw i think at this point i'm willing to vote midway or possibly cakez but i'm not sure that doing either will help anything or the situation at all

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Would be exceptionally curious to hear why because I found basically nothing in his posting that you should be giving the benefit of the doubt to

- i can understand the perspective that he's behind and htat it's hard to provide real-time perspective given that (and that it must be rather *difficult* to catch up to the extent he wants given the pace of the game this whole game)
- idk if he hangs out in thread as he is rn as scum
- idk if he keeps telling people to vote one of himself/flow as scum to get an eod wagon

basically this +
- i think long-term he's more likely to be readable than flow
- i feel bad for badgering him so much (which you're gonna scoff at but it is what it is)

i would vote sleepless to ensure a wagon goes thru eod fwiw

pedit fair enuf
like i said before i would be down to do midway now as well

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yes

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VOTE: midwaybear
caveat for this is that i need him to claim prior to deadline since he's higher up in the draft, if that doesn't look likely i'm switching back

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ugh idk upon further reflection if midway is town this is a bad idea

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ugh idk upon further reflection if midway is town this is a bad idea

is this not true for literally every single wagon in every game of mafia ever?

lmao

>.>
and yes i mean sure but he's pretty high up in the draft, no?

also i just want to say that rn i'm feeling very ~turned around~ and lik ei'm not fully sure where to vote

all of sleepless's posts in the last page are very ? to me

pedit fwiw i am getting scumread for things taht are very questionable for me in that i dont' really think they're things i'd do as scum at all, but that post is indeed in my wheelhouse as scum, and i think i'd almost for sure post something along those lines

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also g'luck with your interview faker

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ok so like ... what are we settling on

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skitter uk ur not vla if u post 50 times a day u can drop the always vla act from ur avi thing

Yeah i had it set to expire at midnight tonight
I sprained my ankle last week ... turns out i had a lot of free time with like 3 days off work + me not being able to go anywhere cuz i couldnt walk >.>

I'll check in in the morning and see if my vote is needed elsewhere, cant promise i'll be around at deadline due to work tho

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Ugh plz dont tell me that >.>

Pedit ty

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Midway we get him to claim the town PR of the pair he drew, then not vote him because of it, what the fuck is even the point

Yeah i was thinking this
VOTE: flow

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On day1 when we know its likely he's a pr, i kinda care, yes

Also i think we just need to pick someone at this point ... we've spent like 30+ pages bickering around the three options, someone just needs to get flipped now


I'll check in in ~3 hours and will vote the leading wagon at that time

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Flow trap isn't even close because people went YOLOing on Midway what the actual fuck were you all thinking

Honestly i dont know, perhaps being beset by a wave of indecision (not sure i'm using that word properly)

Should I just move to sleepless? I'm on flow presently, i think its 6 sleepless 4 flow 3 midway

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Ok

intent

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I think we just need to pick one and move on ...
Flow might get replaced (def should have been prodded by now) and sleepless might become.more readable, either/or might be scum and we just need a fkip

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I can hammer now but i have meetings starting at 11 and cant do anything after that fwiw

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Well not meetings but pretending to do my job, yes

VOTE: sleepless

And ahhhhhh i hate making decisions, i hope this is right >.>

He all but softed vt so i think this is ok
If flow doesnt like get replaced overnight we should just do him tom also

And lets try not to have a mess like this tomorrow >.>

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Yep i know

Pedit could very well be tbh

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I mean same
Honestly i think i'll feel foolish either way

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Also can we plz try to get our collective act together earlier tomorrow ... this was a mess >.>

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Might as well, yeah
Sorry sleepless, i hope to do better next time :(

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Yeah i think so too

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Over LIME doctor?
(Fwiw, this is incredibly important: i asked schadd if everything can be flavored lime, and he said no)

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I really hope scum was responsible for the second death, and that town didnt shoot either of them ...

VOTE: catboi

Hey alyssa ... how caught up are you ?

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Also nsg what are you thinking now given the sleepless town-flip?

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That's not even my thought process. I don't townread flow anymore.

?

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Because i dont townread him and if he's town i want to get that sorted so that i dont keep worrying abt him

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We were stagnating with like no wagons until like 15 hours before the original deadline - i was pushing sleepless prior to that with like 2 votes on him, and midway was the largest wagon with 3 votes on him

Fakers preferred push was your slot, and i agreed to compromise with him there just to make something happen, and that kicked off eod with the votes going between flow and sleepless, with some cakez and midway thrown in for good measure

A lot of people werent really doing anything, or were content to sit on vanity wagons

I kinda think flow/sleepless was tvt ngl

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It was

Whichever slots were most content with the stagnation are probably scum

Just need to point out that from my pov this isnt necessarily true.

Also this applies to like 5 different people, and they cant all be scum ...

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Also I think NSG and SS need more attention today

Nsg yes
Ss not really

I think the 2 slots died just cuz they were active consensus townreads (i'm assuming it was a scum vig, although i suppose faker could have walked into a pgo)

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VOTE: catboi
This guy is scum and I bet that's why Faker was killed

Ah, there it is

Why no comment on my vote?

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Fwiw i was using the dance game to townread her, scum-her is p easy to identify in comprison

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skitter, explain to me why andante is town here before i start tunnelling her for the nonsense she's saying, please

she isn't frozen, is interating in real time, and her thoughts are changing in a trackable fashion (i.e. when she's scum she doesn't really have reads, and isn't nearly as dynamic)

i don't think she's scum, and won't support a push on her

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i lowkey think midway and ss are town too, don't particularly want to push either rn
i think we need to push nsg more tho

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in what way

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i lowkey think midway and ss are town too, don't particularly want to push either rn
i think we need to push nsg more tho

Why do you think midway is town

the same sort of gut thing that was telling me sleepless was town is telling me midway is town
to try to quantify:

- the way he's posturing around his pr seems town-indicative
- kinda do understand his flow progression
- he's being a little bit ~unimpressive~, but i'm not sure why that's more likely to come from scum-him than town-him
- honestly i'm not sure what the compelling scum-story is for him

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in what way

I guess I said it a bit wrong

It feels really odd how

posturey some people are being

without really committing to anything immediately

It kinda hit me that it might be why those two were killed specifically so maybe it's scum indicative

what do you mean by the bolded
and you were a leading wagon, you were like one vote away from getting flipped yesterday, so not sure what you mean by the latter post

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who was your third townread btw?

and i have to say i'm not sure i'm having the same vibe as you as it being unnatural, at least today .... i guess i kinda feel like once yesterday got 'decided' to be between flow/sleepless scum felt like they didnt have to do much ... i feel like the people who were switching to midway/sircakez are probably +town

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i lowkey think pookymena slot is town tbh

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not really tbh

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what would u suggest

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Wagoning somebody no one would expect a wagon on at this stage

yes, like , say, catboi

would do one on nsg too

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ooooh now that's spicy
plz do go on

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i mean i voted you to try to get some sort of reaction out of you that i could read, you ignored my vote, didn't have a comment when i asked you about it, so yes i'm escalating it a bit. i need you to interact with me back ...

no, i don't have a case, but i'm not calling you scum, i said as much above that i'm voting you to try to sort you. if you're scum i want to figure that out today, if you're town i also want to figure that out today, and i don't know a better way to make that happen; if you have one i'm all ears

what scumread do you think i'm shutting down

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@skitter why do you townread SS?

- i liked his refusal to vote sleepless yesterday / his townread of sleepless
- i liked his read on mare
- i liked his reaction to my pushing him

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Why do u think scum-him is so adament against voting sleepless?

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Why would you ever think I'm going to have a reaction to a vote like that, as either alignment? If you want me to interact, I recommend using your words. I do not understand what telling Alyssa to vote me does for the purpose of sorting me. I put my initial vote down on S_S, you call him town, I talk with midway about his read on datisi/menalque and you think the menaslot is town, it certainly looks like you're undercutting what I'm saying

I was even looking for something like 'why are you voting me', that's kinda the level of reaction i was looking for ... some sort of something that i can use to have a convo back

I'm also not sure i told alyssa to vote you, but ok

I also wouldnt say i'm undercutting your reads either, so much as sharing my opinion on them (also with the hopes that you'd comment back, but you're right, i should have been more direct)

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@skitter why do you townread SS?

- i liked his refusal to vote sleepless yesterday / his townread of sleepless
- i liked his read on mare
- i liked his reaction to my pushing him

Why is any of this a towntell for him?

- dunno why scum-him postures around not voting sleepless, seems easy enuf to just vote him. Also he had a pretty early townread on sleepless' big wall, and was pretty resolute in defending it throughougt despite pressure from a variety of people voting there, which makes me think it was a real read he had the whole time
- this was is more just a ping
- i liked the whole string of posts ~1736 - ~ 1759, particularly 1745, i'm not sure scum-him pushes back and tells me i'm making an inaccurate comparison, or gets so grumpy about the comparison i'm making, or would respond that way to being 'threatened'

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Okay well I have no idea where I can go with this that is actually productive

Ok, what do u think abt the stuff i posted abt ss

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oh hey catboi can you tell me why I'm scum while I'm gone, I have class in a literal minute

Pooky was not very towny and you've done nothing to change my mind and in fact are kind of reminding me of panic room

So like if i give my opnion on this statement abt pooky is that 'undercutting?'
How ought i to explain thay i disagree with this and why?

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andante, S_S
skitter?
datisi?
mwb
mare?
alyssa
catboi
cakez

Heya am i actually up here, or are you just slotting me here for now?

What do u think abt catboi?

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Okay well I have no idea where I can go with this that is actually productive

Ok, what do u think abt the stuff i posted abt ss

Meh. First two points don't land for me because scum townread townies being run up all the time. I might check holiday dance party to see how he responded to pressure there.

Ig if flow/alyssa are scum i can see why scum would be so hesitant, otherwise i think they just switch three hours before deadline

And since you didnt answer my question r.e. pooky: mena i have as hard, hard null, but i have a hard time seeing scum-pooky get so ~annoyed~ with faker there, and i think the whole argument with faker (while admittedly unpleasant) is very +town for the slot

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yeah that was a thing

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me, dats, and a third person but i have to look up the third person

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iv but he's dead

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he's hard for me to read too but i lowkey think he's town

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VOTE: midway

flashwagon go

Dats voted here, iv voted a few pages later and was strongly advocating for midway (flow was a compromise in the first place for him), i was feeling doubtful on sleepless and wasnt sure abt flow and i didnt like midway's posts here-ish

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that's an impressive amount of posts by slots that I don't have to try to get reads on

Hmmmm?

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No, it really doesnt
From my pov u being scum might help, but i'm not sure i'm scumreading u

Pedit ah yeah

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A lot of very little , and a lot of people werent being around / were being unreadable (tbf it was the holidays)
There were no wagons

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I still basically dont have reads on: u, catboi, cakez, nsg

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how much should I care that Menalque basically hopped onto the same wagon on me despite my slot being his apparently third strongest scumread?

Uh very little? Unless there was a specific interaction that would make him know you were voting there, i doibt he knew you were

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Seriously >.>

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Ok all the cred you got for that goes right out the window

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I dont understand how you can go from 'i picked high to deliberately have the chance to get neighborizer since all i want is chill hood vibes' to 'i forgot to neighbor someone'

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This night was after the dancegame ended, no?

This doesnt make sense to me, sorry ... you get cred for taking a not-scum role in a high-slot, but that's conditioned on you actually being able to prove you used the role ...

For all i know you picked something else and are using tis neighbor stuff as a screen for it

Amd again you literally based the draft on getting neighborizer, how do you forget to submit such an action ...

VOTE: mare

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Dance game ended during night, I'm pretty sure.

It actually did, you're right

UNVOTE:

If mare doesnt have a proveable action tomorrow she 100% should be flipped

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Like do you genuinely think I’m a moron who wouldn’t just use my ability and like... you know... do the thing I’m good at and just play in a neighborhood.

There’s no fucking way you believe this lol.

I mean you're also telling me you forgot to do the thing you drafted around and spent like half of day1 talking abt, forgive me for being incredulous ...

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This doesnt make sense to me, sorry ... you get cred for taking a not-scum role in a high-slot, but that's conditioned on you actually being able to prove you used the role ...

For all i know you picked something else and are using tis neighbor stuff as a screen for it

skitt, how likely do you think this is?

Dunno
Dont know ehy else she does this as scum

Pedit if there's more than one missed night of actions, yes (and even with one missed night, i'm very skeptical)

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We dont know that its missing

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We dont know that its missing

Like if its known it has to be in the game i'd be a lot less sus but as of right now i dont know that

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We dont know that its missing

Like if its known it has to be in the game i'd be a lot less sus but as of right now i dont know that

yeah, but if scum hasn't chosen the neighborizer they don't know it either

do you think it's likely scum!mare took a shot in the dark that nobody in town claimed neighborizer when she herself would have no clue whether that's the case?

Admittedly not super likely but i have a hard time swallowing that explanation ...

I recognize that scum-mare has to be gambling on nobody else having the slot and cc-ing her, but i find missing neighborizer/proveable night actions in this setup to be very suspicious

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VOTE: catboi

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but i find missing neighborizer/proveable night actions in this setup to be very suspicious

Also i suppoze less so now that i remember scum have multitasking too

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Was just putting it back

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That's basically exactly how i feel abt catboi rn, yeah

~
Catboi why *did* you switch to mare just before this?

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That's basically exactly how i feel abt catboi rn, yeah

~
Catboi why *did* you switch to mare just before this?

I woke up and decided it felt like the right vote to make

>.>

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Cakez what do u think abt pooky's thing with faker?

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Cakez what do u think abt pooky's thing with faker?

the rep out argument?

Yes

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I'm lowkey feeling like cakez is town
(But i also kinda think that means i'm townreading scum >.>)

Honestly i really want to push nsg but she isnt here