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[Taly]

My tunnels are lethal.

[Taly]

Unless you're

Gamma Emerald

apparently :/

*puts on cone of shame*

[Taly]

So what in her PoE feels like a mislim because this plist is scattered enough with vanity votes and wagons to consider multiple players are trying to chain mislims but far are less overt and vulnerable to scrutiny.

[Taly]

It's like if

mastina

is scum, she is a vampire and she's throwing her body into the sun.

[Taly]

House/Enchant

I think your 1v1 is manufactured in some form by scum. IE, scum is pushing one or both of you regardless of your alignments.

Thoughts?

Yes, it's manufactured by red PM in House.

Idk why you have this mind, do you even know why we voting each other

Actually no, I don't understand why you guys are voting each other because it reads like a bunch of petty pot shots followed by weak excuses to justify tunnel-vote hop-shade-repeat.

Expecting a different take from me would be unforgiving.

[Taly]

*attacks House with B E A K*

[Taly]

[Taly]

*attacks House with B E A K*

*catches Taly, tosses him in a bit cage, and gifts him to Titus*

*becomes Titus' familiar, calls to the moon to give Titus power*

[Taly]

Usually when I'm town, I have to beat votes off with a stick.

In this game, people are like, "stay the fuck away from House, that motherfucker is crazy"

welcome to my lived experience every mafia towngame

[Taly]

So there's 2-3 scum in {zefiend, Dwlee, Flea} if my mechanics spec is onpoint (with 0-1 in House),
Or there's 1-3 scum in {zefiend, Dwlee, Flea} if my reads are onpoint (with 0-2 in {Galron, Enchant}, likely not Enchant).

So her current poe is...

Zefiend
Dwlee
Flea
House
Galron
Enchant

I think zefiend and enchant are mislim targets right now.

I think I'm a potential mislim target cause you're alive and cheeky's not.

Flea/House/Galron is a toss up on alignments

Taly this post was directed at you

So I'm curious because you believe

Enchant

is a mislim but cannot say the same for

House

, are they just a ? to you?

I'm just trying to see a

House/Scorpious

universe because that would involve a good bit of bussing from both slots.

I still don't feel compelled to townread

zefiend

, they are doing what I would do as scum in a plist that I don't think I can deepwolf in.

I also don't know if

Cheeky

was a designated NK, so to suggest you're a mislim off this pretense would mean that scum could be pivoting to you as a reactive response.

So if you townread

Greeting

, then you must think

House

is deflecting from a 1v1 with

Enchant

as likely scum. Is this an incorrect view of your progression?

[Taly]

You can take that as, "I don't believe you actually believe your own theory."

It would be more accurate.

So... you do think you're out of your scum range?

If you were actually paying attention to my posts instead of grasping for something to push, you wouldn't have to ask.

Specifically, my interactions with Taly are enlightening.

What do my interactions with you say about me?

And yes, I understand you probably meant

"enlightening"

as a reference to reading your slot, but I want to invert that comment.

[Taly]

I have a brand new pack of chewy chips ahoy.

Everyone that votes either zefiend or Dwlee can have 3 and a cup of milk.

*possesses the playerlist to push both zefiend and dwlee to E1 for more cookies and milk*

[Taly]

PSA reminder that

Dwlee

is they/them and

Fae

is fae/faer. Thank you

[Taly]

PSA reminder that

Dwlee

is they/them and

Fae

is fae/faer. Thank you

Michael Jackson was definitely he/he.

Lmao if

Greeting

is scum then gg townloss because I can never bring myself to vote him

[Taly]

PSA reminder that

Dwlee

is they/them and

Fae

is fae/faer. Thank you

fair..sorry

That was a general sentiment thay is applicable to multiple people but I appreciate this reply

[Taly]

Titus

I know I've already given you homework with 2 of my posts earlier today but I need a fleshed out POV on

House

because I don't fully trust my read there and I also need you to defend the townbloc.

I feel like I need to cover my bases by assessing you more thoroughly before solidly townlocking you since you're a UTR that has - like the rest of the townbloc - been wrong on two town right now.

This is an indirect way of saying that I need to know you're leading the town sincerely and not off a cliff... since you don't seem bothered by people clinging to their townread on you.

[Taly]

I just realized

Do you give this much of a shit as scum

[Taly]

Like my issue

House

is that you're filling noise and 1v1ing anyone that seems to disagree with how you want this game to move which is a contrast to your townplay in 8ball and Triplicate imo

At the same time, this game is taking to you in a way unlike the other two and your play reflects that which is a shift in attitude more reminiscent of town. 8ball and Triplicate were also very different setups. So my meta on you is not comparable.

[Taly]

Ok you're just town my brain needs to stfu on the tinfoil and just believe this as a fact

[Taly]

It's weird, because you've known me since 2015, but act like you've never seen me before.

Bruh older players fuck Mr up the most LOL

[Taly]

I want an elimination

House

would you want to compromise on

Enchant

[Taly]

Titus looks obsessed with Tutus

Huh?

[Taly]

Titus looks obsessed with Tutus

Huh?

Typo.

Enchant is saying I'm obsessed with a player I've had claimed as one of my top 12 players on site since the beginning of my original GTKAS since I asked her to pre-in to a game.

I thought they meant "

Taly

looks obsessed with

Titus

"

At which point I would votepark until their death.

[Taly]

I want to make a sims 4 household of this plist and with all ny future games because suffering tastes good

[Taly]

I want to make a sims 4 household of this plist and with all ny future games because suffering tastes good

What do you think the odds are that you were Rolestopped?

Cheeky crumbed intent to visit you at the end of d1.

Good thing for you she wasn't Weak. That would have looked horrible.

Where was the crumb?

I have no way of verifying if a rolestop effectively happened on me.

I do think it's possible

Cheeky

visited me and Mafia intended to NK me. I'll have to review the wiki to see if its sound that I would survive here and not her in this situation.

VOTE: taly

And here I was just about to ask you on your

zefiend

vote.

[Taly]

And thus my incredible streak of being townread by people I'm trying to eliminate continues

I can't tell if this is a curse or a gift

[Taly]

And here I was just about to ask you on your zefiend vote.

I woke up at 1:30 AM and my self was telling my self to vote taly.

I think Zefiend is lhf. In the poe and should be killed regardless of alignment.

So you're voting me for taking the path of least resistance?

[Taly]

Taly we're bffs now, there's no backing out ^.^

-_-' I claim two way path blocker and will block Taly from themselves. Why is mastina not in Titus' townblock anymore btw.

Oh lol I thought she was joking about Anything Upick where she did block me in some form.

Tbh I think even with paranoia and regardless of my read accuracy I was a likely scum NK.

I'm not commeting on the Ascetic but my survival benefits the town exponentially, and yes, this is not a usual sentiment of mine.

[Taly]

It'll be fun to see if I survive N2.

In any case, this post is a reminder to get in contact with

Scorp/Titus/Galron/zefiend/Enchant

primarily off their recent posts.

[Taly]

The

Enchant V House V Scorpious

battle royale is getting old and nothing has compelled me to critically read into it.

[Taly]

Maybe

Galron

is town after all.

[Taly]

[Taly]

Why are we still setup speaking

Titua

help me fix this game

[Taly]

Titus

please talk to me about

House

I cannot townbin that man with confidence.

I need a sounding board because I think it's very likely a playstyle clash.

I have tons of reason to believe

House

is town but I don't understand their mentality to this game if they are.

When he says things like

""don't expect me to be useful"

it signals to me that he doesn't have to be to reach his wincon.

And he's 1v1'd a lot with players that are much likelier to be mislimmed than him so what does he have to gain from filling the thread with derision?

Like, I don't know. I'm searching for reasons to trust a townread and I'm coming up with nothing.

And now

House

is the next read I gotta solve correctly to press forward.

[Taly]

inb4

Taly V House

[Taly]

Btw I'm

pretty

sure that Flea's 1217 is a scum-Flea case?

I'm pretty sure that's not how Flea cases as town and I'm pretty sure I've seen Flea write a case almost exactly like that one when fae were scum.

This is purely from memory and my memory is shit, so it's something which ideally should be verified when I have more time, but yeah, I do think that Flea has a quite significant chance of being scum here.

Problem is I'm never out of scum range. Go dismantle the case if you think it's bad. I'm looking forward to it.

Also from memory yes you're on oarnpostinf with CT mafia

So what's a reliable way to deduce that you are town? Because I can easily see you as scum posting 1217. It's just poking at

mastina's

readrate after-the-fact when you gave no strong stance against the major wagons D1. This is largely because your focus was much more aligned with scumreading

mastina

other than finding town.

This is a convenient perspective to take as scum and I don't readily see the town motivation.

[Taly]

Greeting

, refresh me on your

Galron

take.

[Taly]

Again I have too many scumreads right now.

[Taly]

Not PoE. Scumreads and THEN PoE.

I could delete half of this plist rn

[Taly]

You know what I probably don't have more than 2 or 3 scumreads

It's just painful to think some slots are town.

[Taly]

I smell blood. The bloodlust is coming

[Taly]

{Titus/mastina/Greeting/Taly}
{Scorpious/Galron/House/Enchant}
{Flea/zefiend/Dwlee}

I think 2 scum in lowest and 1 in mid tier is likeliest

Would not be surprised if 2 existed in the mid tier solely because this was the dynamic the thread started at in D2 and despite my individual townreads it's historically unhelpful for the town to let tension go unresolved.

I will be floored if scum is in the top but would consider in elo pending my survival.

[Taly]

{Titus/mastina/House/Enchant}
{Galron/Greeting/Taly}
{Flea/zefiend/Dwlee/Scorpious}

Fix't.

I wonder if I would have remained in your top tier reads had I not pushed you down a tier.

Btw I'm

pretty

sure that Flea's 1217 is a scum-Flea case?

I'm pretty sure that's not how Flea cases as town and I'm pretty sure I've seen Flea write a case almost exactly like that one when fae were scum.

This is purely from memory and my memory is shit, so it's something which ideally should be verified when I have more time, but yeah, I do think that Flea has a quite significant chance of being scum here.

Problem is I'm never out of scum range. Go dismantle the case if you think it's bad. I'm looking forward to it.

Also from memory yes you're on oarnpostinf with CT mafia

So what's a reliable way to deduce that you are town? Because I can easily see you as scum posting 1217. It's just poking at

mastina's

readrate after-the-fact when you gave no strong stance against the major wagons D1. This is largely because your focus was much more aligned with scumreading

mastina

other than finding town.

This is a convenient perspective to take as scum and I don't readily see the town motivation.

Fluidity if reads and emotional range from self analysis.
As scum my reads seem more fluid, and they're more flat.

As it stands I gain more from Enchants flip than I do mastinas and both are scum here.

Waiting to for mastina to post to direct my day was telling me how liable she is the slip up, currently I reckon I solve the game through her.

Mastina is not scum and I still don't see strong justification for

Enchant

other than the compromise hammer.

Unless you think I'm bussing mastina, or scared of her.

Which ftr she's on my n1 kill list.

Don't worry... I've said this before I think but I strongly doubt you two are S/S.

Why are we still setup speaking

Titua

help me fix this game

Titus

please talk to me about

House

I cannot townbin that man with confidence.

I need a sounding board because I think it's very likely a playstyle clash.

I have tons of reason to believe

House

is town but I don't understand their mentality to this game if they are.

When he says things like

""don't expect me to be useful"

it signals to me that he doesn't have to be to reach his wincon.

And he's 1v1'd a lot with players that are much likelier to be mislimmed than him so what does he have to gain from filling the thread with derision?

Like, I don't know. I'm searching for reasons to trust a townread and I'm coming up with nothing.

And now

House

is the next read I gotta solve correctly to press forward.

I'm not very sold on

House

being town at all. He's memeposting

a lot

, picking fights unnecessarily and the way he threw some of his votes seemed to me to be at least random.

But, there's slots where hard data clearly shows a pattern, such as the final vote count of Day One. Which is why I'm avoiding of speaking on

House

, but also

Enchant

(who was my final vote Day One) for instance. Maybe they are scum. But I'm unable to tell with high confidence right now.

If I may, I'd like my thoughts to be focused on a bit more. Y'all don't have to agree with them, you can think they're shit, fine. But I would really appreciate any feedback which leads to any decisions rather than this just being shelved. Because the way the game has been going for the last 10 pages or so is pretty counterproductive.

What's your take on Titus and do you find it problematic/interesting that Taly (universal town read) and mastina (universal paranoia) are trying to town-bloc Titus with a hand-wave despite the fact that Titus' posts have been as lazy as mine (the person she's voting for?)

Very curious to see where you're headed with this line of questioning.

Titus

please talk to me about

House

I cannot townbin that man with confidence.

I need a sounding board because I think it's very likely a playstyle clash.

I have tons of reason to believe

House

is town but I don't understand their mentality to this game if they are.

When he says things like

""don't expect me to be useful"

it signals to me that he doesn't have to be to reach his wincon.

And he's 1v1'd a lot with players that are much likelier to be mislimmed than him so what does he have to gain from filling the thread with derision?

Like, I don't know. I'm searching for reasons to trust a townread and I'm coming up with nothing.

And now

House

is the next read I gotta solve correctly to press forward.

House, while very intelligent, is a sensitive player. He moves as much with his ego as he does logic (although they are commonly mixed). He doesn't think about long term ramifications of a fight. He's like an unchained bear. See bad guy. Immediately wreck bad guy.

How do I feed scum to the unchained bear?

[Taly]

Some reads:
- Taly is town
- Dwlee could be scum
- Scorpious could be scum, but not with House
- Flea gets +town points for standing up to mastina
- mastina gets -town points b/c of what Flea said
- If mastina is scum then Galron probably is too
- Greeting is null
- Enchant I hope is just bad town (like me)
- Titus is null

A lot of the reads were shaped in large part by House. Which had me strongly town-reading him. Until this post:

@mod

: do you treat kills performed on a Hider's target as being copied onto the Hider, rather than having the Hider's death trigger off the death of the hidee?

(The wiki mentions that some mods do this, which could be informative if that's the case because a protected Hider target would not protect the Hider)

I find this question very, very curious.

If it were the case, I agree it would be informative - but to who?

Suppose that it were the case that person X was protected and Cheeky visited person X. Then if scum attempted to kill person X, the kill would be "copied" onto Cheeky, explaining how they died.

This would tell scum (1) that there's a protective role and (2) that the protective role targeted person X

But it would tell town, in-game-thread, absolutely nothing.

Please explain how your question was meant to be informative or helpful to town. Because it smells like role/info-fishing as scum.

Why am I- the person who has most actively voted you -town?

And while I could see an intention of rolefishing i always get the impression scum will just ask spec questions in a PT or PM. At least that's what I do to not get attention brought to how I think about mechanics.

VOTE: zefiend

I hadn't considered the possibility Taly might be Ascetic. Nice catch.

Taly, I'll quote it after work

Answer the question or eat rope.

VOTE: House

Kind of want to hear a genuine reply from

House

too though but I also think he's given his reply enough.

Also agree with

Titus

, you have no stated townreads other other me.

This would tell scum (1) that there's a protective role and (2) that the protective role targeted person X

It doesh't make House more townie or more mafia (atleast this exact argument), because mafia already knows what happened fully. They of course can and will try to pass it as notinformed, but most likely they simple trying to not talk about this at all, to not give hints and attention.

Like why scumread someone for giving information to mafia, because if they are mafia they kinda already know and thus every other mafia member will know as well. There's no benifit in telling.


Also wtf there's literally... Well ok, two outcomes, first is where Cheeky roleblocked and second where she visited Ascetic. We can't do anything with that.

You're wrong on both counts.

Mafia don't necessarily have all information.

Those are not the only two possible outcomes.

Okay.

Tell me others?

If you read the thread mastina posted three possibilities.

There are more beyond that.

Where are you going with this conversation

zefiend

?

[Taly]

mastina/titus/greeting

are town, try again

*throws body onto the floor and starts hitting the ground screaming*

[Taly]

*emotionally breaking down*

[Taly]

Titus

how would you describe me as a player to someone trying to read me?

[Taly]

*cries as House is being 180'd hard back into the townbloc*

house

ily lets be besties like with

cheeky

cmon <3 all it does is increase your chance of death.

[Taly]

house

lets keep up the tradition of my body count almost exclusively composing of people i townbloc with

cheeky

the most recent victim despite not truly being in a townbloc of mine

dwlee

knows how that feels

*cough Slaughter Hour*

galron

kind of does

*cough Blood Puppets*

titus/i

were effectively mech lovers over how much we die side-by-side in games back in the ye ole days

[Taly]

you know what

dwlee

can go up a tier, ily

dwlee

[Taly]

Titus

how would you describe me as a player to someone trying to read me?

I don't have enough experience with scum you but here goes

Warm, affiable. Tends to go along with people who like him. Can be prone to pocketing.

My roll rate for scum is terrible

I think I'm at +90% town roll rate.

Let's throw Zefiend a going away party. Not just any party. The best party. All the cool people will be there. With all the lights and decorations, no one can call me lazy.

Yeah, I'd really like

zefiend

to reply, they have very specific questions from what they imply about his POV and how they are framed. I am unconvinced so far.

pedit

you know what

dwlee

can go up a tier, ily

dwlee

There we go Taly.

Taly/House/mastina/Dwlee/scoripious

That's the core.

Not

Greeting

, though?

And I can see

Scorpious

-town, I just have no metric for their scumrange and they appear

"surface level scummy"

, but not

"

taly

thinks this is scummy"

if that makes sense.

[Taly]

My roll rate for scum is terrible

I think I'm at +90% town roll rate.

I know I said self-meta means nothing from but like

You could honestly catch me from BoPing in a scum game.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=88168

Only recent scum game where it's not a multigame-in-one.

[Taly]

Noted

and yeah I'm quite literally a different person in the scum game I just linked and it was less than 2 months ago.

mastina/titus/greeting

are town, try again

*throws body onto the floor and starts hitting the ground screaming*

*Pokes with the pointy stick*

*explodes*

[Taly]

Why jail me?

[Taly]

Oh shit, jailkeep protects its target too?

[Taly]

Was I the target of 3 actions last night wtf

[Taly]

This game is becoming a bit of a nightmare to me at the moment.

[Taly]

I'm going to assume

Cheeky

was an intentional NK unless more conflicting information comes. Shelving all speculation there.

Galron

is just very protown in 1444 by helping me here.

zefiend

seems consistent mech wise but JK is a decent mafia fakeclaim. So I don't want to speed a lim here if it comes to this, I need to look at their play specifically.

Hell I wonder how much of my view of this game changes with

zefiend

-town.

[Taly]

Why jail me?

Idk I was late submitting and although hardly active Day 1 I seemed to recall you were widely TR by people. Plus you're a vocal power player so a good target regardless.

Now I really gotta go so enjoy the shitshow til I get back.

Thanks for the ego stroke I guess lol

[Taly]

House

is town.

Galron

is town.

Greeting

is town.

Titus

is town.

mastina

is town.

Scorpious

is town.

zefiend

is town

Flea/Dwlee/Enchant

... can't be right.

[Taly]

I DIDN'T MEAN TO POST THAT I WAS JUDT THINKJNG POSSIVILITIES

[Taly]

FUCK

[Taly]

ok im fine now

[Taly]

That my solve is wrong or right? Or that this is your thought process too?

[Taly]

Idk Dwlee
House we are besties now. I'm 100% honest I just 180'd drop my paranoia on you and locked it in.

Probably taking a day break from the thread.

[Taly]

You're too confrontational and I have difficulty keeping touch with myself to give a decisive reply.

I demand affection when I've earned it.

[Taly]

And yes I consider this a bonding moment pending I haven't crossed a boundary.

[Taly]

I hope I didn't upset

House

, I figured being frank with him would be meeting him at eye level.

[Taly]

Haha you are too

Also that's an interesting way to phrase it

Ex "best friend" named Frank throughout late elementary school to early high school. Very toxic friendship. Contributed to a lot of mental shit that I've had to work through. Just a tip of the iceberg though.

But yeah

[Taly]

Lol top tier guys

Anyway goodnight

[Taly]

HAHA FYCKING TRUE.

not me though I'm as selective as I am a sexual entity

And on that note, goodnight!

[Taly]

Casually scrolling and just wanted to weigh km here

By your logic a scummy play becomes not scummy because they should “know better?”

Meme or not,that’s just stupid.

It's also a figment of your imagination.

I've said for years: actions mean nothing. The same action could come from a player of any alignment. Motive is what matters.

What’s the motivation to lie about not wanting to hammer than hammering Green?

Yes Scorpious, where IS the scum motivation in contradicting oneself THE VERY SAME DAY a statement is made?

Answering the question and not twisting it is also a valid option.

Especially when the answer is obvious..

I agree. So why are you being evasive?

You can't name a scum motivation because I've doesn't exist.

Town does shit like that all the time because town doesn't monitor every post for consistency.

That lack of survivalism is WHY ENCHANT IS TOWN.

Its a total contradiction,that’s where I excel at this. Finding inconsistencies. I don’t possess all this “if this flips this this means x did this to y and y did this to x, therefore a,b and c are scum. I can’t do it, I don’t know the game like some others so I have to focus on what I can do well.

And I found a blatant contradiction, and you are white knightimg the living crap out of it.

It SCREAMS scum motivation to say they won’t hammer… then hammer. It’s the most simple concept imaginable.

Or...

OR...!

Enchant is just town, and there no possible way I could know that without TMI, right?

So, I'm either:

A) defending scum as town which makes me continuing to live detrimental to town

B) defending a buddy as scum

C) defending town with TMI from your perspective

Which is it, and how can you justify not trying to eliminate me, considering I'm a detriment to town even AS town, as far as you're concerned?

I don't think B is possible because I strongly doubt

House

defends their buddy so readily. The only thing that makes me raise an eyebrow is that

Enchant

wants to gladiate on this but I think that implies T/S or T/T since its very uncoordinated. Yes S/S can be uncoordinated but this doesn't feel like theatre due to the volume and velocity of their 1v1.

A doesn't necessarily make you detrimental to live since town needs numbers, it's more of a matter of how convincing

House's

towncase on

Enchant

is. I agree that his EoD1 play points to town due to lack of survivalism but I've definitely seen scum do some wild ass hammers and got townread for it. If this hammer pattern repeats I won't be so forgiving with

Enchant

.

C is possible but unlikely given I feel good about

House

-town. This is more like the scenario I began D2 thinking.

So I have to consider other points to suggest

Enchant

is scum to have the most informed idea since I think

House/Enchant

contains at least 1 town,

House

being higher in that order.

[Taly]

Scorp

, like

zefiend

and tbh half of this plist, has the same 1 or 2 townreads and nothing else given beyond that.

[Taly]

Yeah anyone who isn't townhunting is giving me a bright ass orange flag. Very scumsided gamestate.

[Taly]

Let's play a game!

Give a townread or get voted.

[Taly]

I see too many of

Scorp's

knee-jerk reaction to things, mostly the small things but still, I mindmeld and wish not to yeet that slot today. I'll pretend the ill-timed, tongue-in-cheeky reply of

"my townread is me"

doesn't exist. But just because I townread the slot doesn't mean I agree with their play approach here.

zefiend

is not cleared but I wonder if it's best to just pseudoclear him to see what happens.

I'll respect

Titus

and not bloodhound

Dwlee

today.

House

, what prevents you from voting

Flea

? Tbh they're my next most likely vote.

Also none of you actually professed a townread.

[Taly]

Faer, shit, sorry

[Taly]

VOTE: Flea

[Taly]

Uh

1. Wtf with that lim. I didn't even get to the damn thread from the time I posted that vote before the hammer. That wasn't a "kill this" vote. I demand swift justification for every other vote on that wagon.

2. Waiting for

Zefiend

to post before I make any judgments about last night.

3. Why

Dwlee

and not someone on the

Flea

wagon?

I don't have much to add on top of what has already been stated.

[Taly]

I'm kind of agreeing with

Titus'

D2 assessment right now.

I think scum is most likely distancing or jumping on top of vocal town's wrong assertions.

[Taly]

Considering that

Titus/I

have both started the vote of a mislim and that my perspective is aligning with her D2, helps reaffirm my townread there. Like a delayed mindmeld.

Just because the eliminations are bad doesn't mean the PoE itself is. We could have a misread in more universal townreads but assessing who is town in the current pool would be a better direction to solve than "you're not town enough, die" or "everything we know is wrong."

I really don't think we have more than 1 scum maximum in

Titus/Taly/mastina/House/Greeting

.

Tbh my reads have not changed much.

[Taly]

The worst thing is that I lack the patience to deal with the growing doubtcast on my slot.

[Taly]

I don't feel teamwork in this thread.

If anyone feels the same, tell me how to rectify that.

[Taly]

That's a tall order, Taly, and an unfair burden to place on someone when you can't figure it out yourself.

On what? The call for more cohesion or having people justify their flash votes that had very little context?

I can't look at that wagon and not believe there are 1, maybe 2 of the 3 scum on it that were in the PoE and wanted to take a shot at a miss.

D2 was riddled with 1v1s that excluded

Flea

, so why did faer get eliminated so quickly?

My answer? Scum.

1. Wtf with that lim. I didn't even get to the damn thread from the time I posted that vote before the hammer.

You don't get to not take responsibility for placing a vote. Everyone knows that every time they vote it could result in a lim.

Of course but I didn't have a crystal ball that this would end up in an elimination in less than 3 hours after my vote. You're still not answering my prompt. I don't think what I'm asking is unreasonable in the slightest.

[Taly]

Zefiend

, are you comfortable giving a readslist? I'm curious sbout the point at which town / null / scum lies with you. Especially with

Dwlee

.

[Taly]

That's not at all what I'm asking of others,

Galron

, and you're still not justifying your E1 vote on

Flea

when you've spent the whole previous day pushing

Zefiend

,

Scorpious

, or me.

[Taly]

What does how do I rectify the lack of teamwork in the thread mean?

As far as my vote on flea, call it blood lust.

Quite literally how long it took for you to answer my question about voting

Flea

I'd a PERFECT example about what I mean with a lack of teamwork.

How much

Flea

didn't give a townread led me to misread it as deflection.

How much

Meg

and

Cheeky

resisted a mech proposal from

mastina

that I found benefit in had me question them as scum.

Like, there's not an unclear reason why I'm suspecting the people I do. Because like the

Scoprious V Enchant V House

fight or my intentions being misconstrued as trying to search for an elimination, I have nothing that leads me to believe someone is trying to gamesolve rather than pushing in self interest in some form.

So yes, I'm very critical of majority of this playerlist and I think voicing that is about the maximum I can do at the moment to change that.

[Taly]

Do I need to pull teeth this game?

[Taly]

Rhetorical question.

Also I'm not meaning to be an ass. I'm pretty emotionally removed from this at the moment.

[Taly]

I'm always choosing guaranteed scum to probable scum but I'm not sure anyone is confscum at the moment.

We could leash

Scorp's

vig.

Scorp

how do you know that you were jailed? If

zefiend

claimed it I missed it.

[Taly]

scumreading

mastina

is illegal

*pecks galron*

[Taly]

It is currently 7:3

If we mislim and town is Nked, it will be 5:3 D4.

And yeah that is elo. Shit.

[Taly]

Titus

what's the benefit to massclaiming now and not next day phase?

[Taly]

We can't determine nor accurately verify the number of PRs

[Taly]

I just realised. We have 10 players left, with a miselim Day 3 and a successful NK Night 3, we are down to 8 players Day 4. Miselimination Day 4 leads to 7 players Night 4 and a successful NK 6 players Day 5, of whom half will be scum.

So, if we miseliminate again, and the town Power Roles fail, next Day will be ELo.

Can someone please confirm if that is correct?

It is currently 7:3

If we mislim and town is Nked, it will be 5:3 D4.

And yeah that is elo. Shit.

Are you of the opinion that scum no killed to keep the miseliminations going or that scum are capitalizing on a Scorpious kill failing?

An off the wall kill isn't completely unheard of in a spot like this but unlikely.

I'm of the opinion that the scumkill was blocked somehow but

Scorpious

would not be my first guess for a target.

[Taly]

Titus

what's the benefit to massclaiming now and not next day phase?

Leashing zefiend.

Thinking of any consequences of claiming now?

[Taly]

ily I've dropped about 80% of my seriousness arm

This game is breakable via massclaim I just don't know when it is optimal here

[Taly]

*pecks House*

[Taly]

haha suck it scum I am still alive

[Taly]

Oh wait I should be in bed night

[Taly]

Did

Scorp

claim vig? Why hasn't he used that yet if so?

Once again I forgot who

zefiend

jailed omg

Mech is not my strong suit

[Taly]

I think it's going to take a good read of some ISOs. But I've not been in a position to do that. A mass claim would supplement that.

But this thing with mastina is really bugging me. One of the problems with my theory is that scum wouldn't have killed Cheeky though because that exposes the illogic of mastina's postings

.

Bingo

Similar reason I'm entertaining

Enchant's

reservation on

Scorp

Mastina

and you flesh out your

Dwlee

read?

Damn it

House

, I'm leaning on

Enchant/Titus

T/T and that whole dynamic creates an impass for town majority. Am I misreading?

We can't all be town so um

[Taly]

I don't have the energy to commit violence on this plist so

[Taly]

Titus

you feel passive this game, should I be concerned?

[Taly]

Scorp/Dwlee

don't seem S/S, seems like a lot of unnecessary bussing

Half baked thought still thinking

[Taly]

greeting

are we the same person from different timelines

[Taly]

My

Taly

senses are tingling and that

Galron

doesn't push this much as scum regardless of

Scorp's

alignment.

Yes I think

mastina

has been BoP'd pretty hard this game. Now, I wonder how

Titus

came to this conclusion in retrospect.

zefiend

, who could be scum blending in mech talk?

Titus

I'm kind of out of scumhunting mode tbh, it's the only thing that's helping me trust the initial townbloc.

I say this because I think

Titus/mastina/Galron/House/Enchant

all lean town but there is so much dissonance among these players on players like

Dwlee/Scorp

and each other that I wonder if it's AI and I'm failing to see the details.

[Taly]

And ngl like everybody but

Galron/Enchant/Greeting/(House?)

could theoretically qualify as scum misting me via buddying or vibing

So the range at which I see an error in my reads is larger than I'd like for literally a near 33% chance to hit scum here.

[Taly]

Is

zefiend/Scorp

S/S implausible?

[Taly]

Yeah this game is probably easier than we are making it.

[Taly]

I say this because I think Titus/mastina/Galron/House/Enchant all lean town but there is so much dissonance among these players on players like Dwlee/Scorp and each other that I wonder if it's AI and I'm failing to see the details.

This turns my personal solve into

Dwlee/Scorp/zefiend

which seems almost like wishful thinking lol and somewhat contradicts my earlier assessment that

Dwlee/Scorp

have hellbussed from little provocation.

But where do I reassess?

[Taly]

Scorp how do you feel about each vote on you?

[Taly]

Galron

, what made you feel

Enchant

is strongly town?

[Taly]

MOD: Would an activated Informed be possible to be roleblocked?
E.g. if an Informed were part of a JOAT, could the information fail to be given if roleblocked?

(This is something I don't think the NRG has an answer for due to how niche it is. I'm on the NRG and I don't know the answer to this, to give you an idea of how niche it is, so I don't think we have it standardized meaning I do need to ask the mod about it.)

An activated informed would not be blocked.

Then leaving Scorpious alive for night makes sense.

Says the person who then hammered Scorpious.

Yeah, I've been wanting Enchant dead forever.

Can you elaborate on the dissonance here? This is a different mentality from the defense you've put on

Enchant

D2.

[Taly]

Yeah Enchant's scum.

What about this latest quick hammer indicated that?

[Taly]

Scorpius mastina third?

Do you think this solve is more plausible now than ever?

And if so, who would be the third?

[Taly]

House

I can't tell if you're trying to be transparent or confuse me.

[Taly]

House

I can't tell if you're trying to be transparent or confuse me.

My mind gets muddled at times, and I make confusing posts.

Give it time & come back to it later when that happens.

OK I like this reply tbh. Wonder where

Titus

sits with it.

[Taly]

Wait a minute

If

Zefiend

jailed

Scorpious

N2 but

Scorpious

is Mafia

Then that means either

zefiend

was the NK and the Ascetic protected him or something else stopped mafia NK N2. Ascetic is protected right?

[Taly]

Hard claim Combined Watcher/Voyeur

Submitted because I wanted to see who visited other players & what action they took on that player.

N2 Target was Galron. Nobody visited him that night. I'll hold my other actions until they're necessary to reveal. Greeting will confirm me as town, for those that didn't figure it out yesterday.

uh what does

watcher/voyeur

even mechanically look like?

tbh this is maybe the second time ive ever encountered "combined" in a mafia game and the first wasnt even through playing it

i guess you have reasons not to bring up N1 target so

[Taly]

VOTE: Greeting

E1

I want a fast night. Make scum fearkill

[Taly]

House

there's 2 answers for a third scum that I will disapprove of, can you name 'em?

[Taly]

I got the idea from a former game I played where I had another combined role. (And I tried to get that role in this one, too)

Compulsive n1 Combined Friendly Neighbor/Neighborizer (homebrew Mason).

Titus can confirm. I used the role on her and jammed up her plans.

I loved that. You're a wacky dude.

Just claim

Taly

next time we will all understand the mech fuckery involved

[Taly]

dont break my heart

housey

[Taly]

actually you know what fuck what i think man

you do you

[Taly]

submit or die

enchant

: B E A K :

[Taly]

no

[Taly]

Why

Dwlee

and I when your initial thought was

House

is lying to eliminate you? Wouldn't the latter incriminate him?

pedit

By the way, I renounce my claim.

Guess I should mention that.

:/ you're playing with my feelings

house

[Taly]

Why did you feel so strongly to counter

Greeting

then? Was it because they didn't track you?

[Taly]

holy shit my mind didnt connect the fact that

zefiend

could've just blocked

scorp

who had the shot ooooo

[Taly]

ily

greeting

no hard feelings from me regardless of how this goes <3

[Taly]

I LOVE THAT SONG

[Taly]

holy shit my mind didnt connect the fact that

zefiend

could've just blocked

scorp

who had the shot ooooo

Scorp was never the nk choice. He HAD to be the shooter.

In that case, I'm good saying this: your third scum did not contain the 2 names I'd have blocked.

[Taly]

that was really shitty wording im not a roleblocker tyhrgtwrehth

[Taly]

house

has there been a game with you where i have not WIFOM'd my slot to hell and back?

[Taly]

that was really shitty wording im not a roleblocker tyhrgtwrehth

Totally not. You're a jailkeeper. You're keeping me safe. I'm jailing mastina. She jails you. Perfect cycle.

you understand me <3

[Taly]

so

greeting

has sus'd 4 slots upon the elimination.... not quite what i would think is town dying

[Taly]

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