Open 843 - Divide & Conquer - Game Over!

[Brighter Puppy]

I don't think ur analyzing the Nk at all here either.
Why would Prism kill Kuriyama outside of 'everyone townread kuriyama'
Which btw, big if true. Prism themselves was paranoid of everyone including Kuriyama
I was probably loudest ones saying Kuriyama town. I knew they would likely be nk because A) semi voice of reason, B) townread enough that wasn't gonna get misyeeted
and I think the third reason was C) was Prism pet in game.

Kuriyama wanted to basically just sheep Prism all game. In fact i would think people would say that kill incriminates me here cause she suspected me basically all day, and she acted like a sheep to Prism and would jump through any hoops Prism asked. Why kill ur best sheep if ur Prism? just so people be like "why would Prism do this?" thats if that argument is pushed forward by anyone.

Kuriyama had no doubts on prism as far as I can see. Someone correct me.
Now do I think scum are scarred of either Prism or Kuriyama solves? No. I think in fact scum see Kuriyama as safest kill out me/Prism/Kuriyama because me and Prism are just not working together and are diametrically opposed thus far. (probably will be still today)
Why not kill the third player who might play the mediator (not that kuriyama was but she could have played that role if say all 3 of us stay)

Like say Prism is kiled. Kuriyama was probably going to be directly working with me today.
Say I was killed. Kuriyama would be working with Prism here today.

And a solid two town block that works together is active and is pushing the game forward in a clear direction where no other voices could push against? I think scum def don't want that.

[Brighter Puppy]

shouldnt you lim within three-group then? like, isnt dunn very definitely my partner from your perspective? im not trying to poke holes in your theory or anything, im 100% done back-and-forthing on you, youre locktown. it's just that you kinda got stuck tunnelling six-group imo and while that was actually kinda useful in a round-about way (it definitely did expand the discussion to a broader scope than it otherwise wouldve been), it was always incorrect and i think it's largely lost its utility at this point even from your own argument.

How is STD/Dwlee not ur partner. I think its very likely 2 scum on that wagon. I said it had to be at least 1.

[Brighter Puppy]

Why would Prism kill Kuriyama outside of 'everyone townread kuriyama'

why do we need a reason outside of "everyone townread kuriyama". there were literally no consensus townreads aside from -- wait for it -- prism.

if ur saying there was no consensus townreads ur already disagreeing with why Kuriyama was killed....so what is ur explanation for Kuriyama again? besides Prism is scum here.

Because Prism scum again why kill pet town that is sheeping scumPrism.

I don't kill townies as scum who are so fricking wrong they let me do everything i want.

[Brighter Puppy]

Why wouldn't scum kill me if it was Prism?
I am a loud voice in this game and I have been very opposed to Prism.
Hell even killing Dunnstral here as Prism might be smart just for wifom

[Brighter Puppy]

late game mislim?
In ur world of Prism is scum theres STD and Dwleee doing jack shit.
U need like 3 mislims as scum or do i need to recount.

[Brighter Puppy]

yeah all prism would need to do given Prism already had a mislim on todoraki is mislim Dwlee then STD
not hard especially given all has to do in ur world can be handed to prism by voting u out and that means only need one of dwlee or std with Innocent dead. Why am i needed in this?

[Brighter Puppy]

I really just want to challenge every analysis and assumption that is coming from Prism.
I hotly just don't believe this nonsense of "kuriyama was obvious kill everyone townread them"
Like was Kuriyama scumread widely? No.
Was she townread by all? No, I don't even think half the game had her as strong town.

This idea came from Prism. Ur continuing it. Which is Fucking strange to me. Cause u scumread Prism.
And u just take their word on this.

I have to go back if u townread Kuriyama or not idr

[Brighter Puppy]

This idea came from Prism. Ur continuing it. Which is Fucking strange to me. Cause u scumread Prism.

not really lol, if prism holds the same mistaken belief which i did, he still has the same motivation to shoot her that i wouldve. prism can be honestly mistaken as maf here.

true but im operating under assumption Prism is town and wrong about everything.

[Brighter Puppy]

i also have habit of being right for wrong reasons so all my listed reasons for Kuriyama kill could be my oversense of importance ot this game since im basically shouting into a void for more than half of this game.

If scum wanted to kill person with most influence - Prism is dead
If scum wanted to kill someone townread not going to yeeted - I guess Kuriyama is fine
If scum wanted to kill someone who was more right than wrong - I want to believe this is me, but I have no proof i am right about jack besides todoraki and kuriyama reads so far. Yet to prove i got a scum.

So i probably have some mistaken beliefs or scum just don't see me as threat or maybe operating under i can be mislimmed which is very possible.

[Brighter Puppy]

theres too many people still who make that kill on Kuriyama it just says to me that Prism doesn't make it, but i think Prism would contest this.
Or maybe prism would do it and I am not thinking this clearly.

Prism is town in my books for more than this. I am just like this is another piece of clear evidence.

[Brighter Puppy]

thats basically what i was just saying

[Brighter Puppy]

im only entertaining idea of me being a kill because ur on Prism is scum and I think Prism could see me as viable kill target and Prism only other targets being (in my eyes):
Myself/Dunnstral/Kuriyama and I was striking down reasons for each except dunnstral.
Like I think Prism would think im better than Kuriyama here or dunnstral better than Kuriyama.

I am not trying to make out i am a priority here.
i have repeated i have no influence in this game many many times.

[Brighter Puppy]

im not insulted by anyone calling out my bad play or inability to perform some tasks so u have nothing to apoligize for btw.

[Brighter Puppy]

im starting to lack conviction on my dunnstral townread.

[Brighter Puppy]

why do u think IV/Dunn can't be again. Short term memory here

[Brighter Puppy]

nvm i already made argument has to be scum on that wagon.

[Brighter Puppy]

I just want to point out that Prism is very much town. They are never scum here.
Back to the drawing board Esther.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Why do you think Dwlee is townie.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

I don’t really see why that would clear Dwlee.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

I’m still thinking you’re scum because even though you seem to be outpacing yourself, it could be seen as an evolution of play made not out of own voalition, but due to "needing to" in order to achieve your goal.
Big reason for that is that i feel like your play was intentionally lazy all of day 1 (I don’t think this should should be an point of contention, since you yourself admitted to it being lacking), and since then circumstances forced you to actually try to be more townie day 2, you had to do that.
This isn’t all too bad so far, but then you come up with an solve of Prism!scum, which seems out of place and not well researched. It makes it abundantly clear that you are still through all of your efforts arguing for essentially the same thing: flip (IV) in small hood. :/
And justifying why it is smart by extrapolating on some garbage association stuff to facilitate that.
I just find it very hard to believe that you are arguing in good faith when saying that Prism is scummy for changing their mind on which hood is best to vote in, when they were proved wrong harshly at EOD1 and were subject to an big propaganda campaign from me/Fire on why they are wrong. To paint that as something scum motivated is dishonest and a bit opportunistic imo. Especially considering all of the reasons Prism are town this game, are overwhelming.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

You’re mixing me and Fire’s posts cus i haven’t mentioned agreeing with any of your associative stuff.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

All town wagon?
By definition, if i scumread you it cannot have been an all-town wagon.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Even if i were to suddenly want to vote you now, the day is still early and need to hear from more slots.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Oh and when i said: "Would like to hear from other slots"
That was with big emphasis on InnocentVillager.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

I don't understand where you're going with this Dwlee argument. Namely, why it's supposedly towntelling that Dwlee argued for eliminating in the small hood? And it's not like they argued strongly either, they literally just said "ok maybe we can eliminate in 6 hood then" during middle of day 1 after seeing some minor opposition to their argument, and when Todoroki grew up as an wagon. Maybe this isn't exactly

damning

to the slot, but i sure as hell don't see why it would be town indicative.

And regarding: "whether it even can be anyone else other than Prism if STD!town", i'd argue that yes. There can in fact be anyone else. Namely Dwlee or Dunnstral. Did i miss where you went over why these slots are town? Because i feel like you said some reasons, but they weren't very good. And seemed to be based mostly on "This is from my POV as town" which for obvious reasons, i don't consider to be highly valid arguments. And even if you are town, that doesn't necessarily make your reasoning there correct.

Me and Fire even discussed that Dunnstral hasn't done anything town indicative other than be logical and advocate for the correct plays. Which scum can easily do. If Dunnstral is scum then he is one of those scum players that are hard to catch because you can only really say "Maybe they are going along with everything too smoothly/kindly" and that they would have stronger opinions or be more opposed to things if they were town.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Oh wait, i misread some votes.
Dwlee stayed voting small hood all of day 1.
But like... why is that something you think is townie?

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Just to mention, i can maybe see some reasons for Dwlee!town. But they are not even close to what you are describing as the main reasons for why they are.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

My thoughts might have been a bit messy there, looking back on it. Apologies.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Ok so you’re saying Dwlee would be intentionally making himself suspicious because of wagonomics if he were scum and to argue in favour of limming his partner in small-hood.
I did not understand your argument up to now.
To answer, i do not think on these terms. As scum from big hood is likely to buss their partner in small hood at some point, so to argue in favour of limming there is never town indicative imo.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

I am shocked that Brighter Puppy still says I even have "the most influence" because I mauled any reasonable ability to impose my reads on others with a sledgehammer on Day 1. In contrast, I am very confident in my ability to solo carry so long as there are no PRs or mechanical confirmation of me.

i dare u to try pushing anyone in this game today and seeing how many people will blind sheep u

[Brighter Puppy]

std and dwlee would have both killed kuriyama they are dirty liars.
why would scum!std take that townread seriously as scum. It was a jokish post.

[Brighter Puppy]

ah cool, shade time

SHADE ALL DAY MOTHER TRUCKER

[Brighter Puppy]

why do you care so much about my scumread on you? like, you presumably dont view it as genuinely threatening.

For the first, the short answer is to sort you. The long answer is deeply ingrained habit.

Second, I do.

Am i correct in assuming that you as scum would more likely view an scumread from Esther as something to be ignored, than if you were town and feel forced to respond to it?

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

we lose yeelo if im alive for it, like, im clearly the miselim there, is my point

If you’re the miselim you’ll just have to town it up for tommorow if we miselin in 6. I’m ok with that.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

VOTE: Dwlee

[Brighter Puppy]

Prism are you still against flipping in 6 hood?

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

dw Dwlee, just ask the partner you are bussing to buss you back.
Oh wait...

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Why can't it be both? Anyway was there anything i was supposed to engange with from you? Or was that aimed at someone else.
I kinda find you to be a dead fish all this game, so that's why i think you're the best shot here.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

i dont understand any view on dwlee as maf other than "and inno's obviously their buddy". look at the votecount lmao.

But u still arguing it's best to lim in small hood. Kill IV blah blah.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

That could also be an indirect defense of your partner in 6 hood.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

You feel desperate to derail this, and that's further pinging my scumdar.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

I think Fire agrees with me, cus after i shared my 30 page read on Dwlee in our discord he lazily typed "yea" before leaving.

So this is definitely 100% Firepuppy sanctioned.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

What are you even talking about.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

In what way is it impossible?
Didn't you just bring up some "Dwlee would confirm himself scum because of wagons" stuff?
That i already said i didn't care for?

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Why can't it be both? Anyway was there anything i was supposed to engange with from you? Or was that aimed at someone else.
I kinda find you to be a dead fish all this game, so that's why i think you're the best shot here.

- Norwee

I think interactions with both slots would make it seem like I'm not their partner

Ok. Show me these interactions.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

I have done bussing in previous games like this.
It's pretty easy.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

The whole point of this setup is to buss anyways.
It is always very unlikely that both scum players are to endgame in any way this plays out.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

It's really just about creating enough confusion that in the end scum does win because town was misled enough.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Although maybe it is not as likely Esther/Dwlee.
Since Esther seems to be really naive about the possibility of bussing here.
Still leaves the option of IV/Dwlee though.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

how the fuck does maf!dwlee win if their buddy dies today?

Pushing for us to lim the town in Esther/IV would look just as bad for scum!Dwlee.
He has to choose something.
What do you think scum!Dwlee would do in this situation?

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

I think Dwlee is right in that Esther TMI'd them unalligned for what it's worth.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

I think my vote was very helpful for gaining some info.
But i'm gonna unvote for now since i want to digest this a bit more, and don't need an premature hammer to mess it up just in case we're wrong.
UNVOTE:

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Brighter can you explain the esther scumread?

Hammering last page isn't guaranteed but is fine play from her point of view depending on partner

I think my previous pages summarizes our scumread of Esther pretty well.
I agree on you that they have levelled up their play considerable in day 2 though. And especially recently.
So i'm not as sold on them being scum anymore, especially since IV has been pretty lacking by comparison.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

If we go by the assumption of IV!scum.
Who do you think are likely partner Prism?

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Wouldn't it be funny if STD killed their story PT partner as an meme kill. So they can argue they wouldn't do that.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

(Just to explain. STD and Kuriyama was both taking turns creating an romance novel in the 6 hood PT)

[Brighter Puppy]

Fire still thinks Esther is scum for what it's worth. And that Dwlee has been somewhat townie these recent pages.

If we give wagonomics an chance and assume 1 scum on 1 scum off the day 1 mislim. I feel like we can limit the possible scum pairs to only two.
IV/STD or Esther/Dunnstral

Thoughts?

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Actually maybe IV/Dwlee is possible too. In an scum!Dwlee world.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Thoughts?

i think if you really believe that me and inno both have such strong associations attached to us, you want a small-group elim

If we didn't argue about it and reach this point in the discussion, we never even would have reached this point in our reads. We'd still be at zero for association tells.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

If arguing about our desire to not flip in small hood is the hill you want to die on. Go ahead, cus we will crush you like an ant.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Fire still thinks Esther is scum for what it's worth. And that Dwlee has been somewhat townie these recent pages.

If we give wagonomics an chance and assume 1 scum on 1 scum off the day 1 mislim. I feel like we can limit the possible scum pairs to only two.
IV/STD or Esther/Dunnstral

Thoughts?

- Norwee

Actually maybe IV/Dwlee is possible too. In an scum!Dwlee world.

- Norwee

Esther had the opportunity to hammer Dwlee

Your point being?

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Fire still thinks Esther is scum for what it's worth. And that Dwlee has been somewhat townie these recent pages.

If we give wagonomics an chance and assume 1 scum on 1 scum off the day 1 mislim. I feel like we can limit the possible scum pairs to only two.
IV/STD or Esther/Dunnstral

Thoughts?

- Norwee

Actually maybe IV/Dwlee is possible too. In an scum!Dwlee world.

- Norwee

Esther had the opportunity to hammer Dwlee

Your point being?

- Norwee

So why don't they do that if they are scum with somebody who is not dwlee?

Fire was talking about how he believes Esther is scum and knew Dwlee was town, and trying to get him on her side. And that he doesn't like how they seem to be trying to appease others or look for escape hatches. Y'all will need to talk more to Fire about that read. But that's the gist of what he was telling me i think.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Anyway, i'm not completely hating the idea of limming in small hood anymore. But not completely convinced IV is the right choice. Me and Fire don't really agree on Esther right now.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Like, as long as there is an clear direction of where to go next assuming town or scumflip in small hood. It's acceptable.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Anyway that's it for me. Need to start thinking about sleeping. Seriously.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

USA lovin, hot dog eatin, American flag waving, Chilli eating Firebringer can take over if he shows up.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

fat american here ready to party

[Brighter Puppy]

Thoughts?

i think if you really believe that me and inno both have such strong associations attached to us, you want a small-group elim

i don't.
i want to win the game today if possible anything less is just useless to me.

i also don't want to be in this game longer and be proven wrong on any of my other reads when i feel like im doin pretty well..

[Brighter Puppy]

Explanation: mc esther scum should probably hammer me there but didn't

I think dunnstral is scum

wouldn't hammering just make esther more scummy. Esther hasn't argued for u being scum basically all day as far as i can tell

[Brighter Puppy]

yo esther why can't it be u and dwlee again.
Only way im seeing dwlee here is if its dwlee/IV right now and ur opposed to this possibility and idgi

[Brighter Puppy]

Sounds good that you’re getting tilted IV.
Maybe that means you’ll be more transparently easy to read as an result.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Esther are you one of those newbie mafia prodigy’s that sometimes makes life hell for experienced town players. Lmao.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Just thinking about this game makes me smirk right now.
God whoever in Esther/IV is scum, is such an cheeky scumfuck.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

@Prism
We’ve had an brief civil war in our hydra chat.
And right now Fire is winning the battle of minds.
Especially givent recent info here.

We’re thinking Esther is scum.
Where are you on the issue?

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

whats funny is i didn't even know we had a civil war

also im still against limming in the group of 3.

[Brighter Puppy]

Fire, i’m trying to make our story look more epic.
Like the Viking Sagas.

Stop ruining it.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

prism is obvtown and anyone who thinks he’s scum at this point is just bad

im gonna start calling prism scum just so u call me bad

[Brighter Puppy]

but even then I was FUCKING NERVOUS about this and ready to go.

wait really? i never read nervousness in ur posts u read like lazy

[Brighter Puppy]

I'm putting this off until tomorrow but if you want to lay out esther scum I'll review it tomorrow

Before the public release of the

Principia Scumhuntica

I strongly thought esther was town and while it is not inconceivable she is scum still lean that way

i don't think im gonna come out with some master thesis on esther scum. I don't want to lim in the three today. me putting out a master thesis just encourages us to lim there.

STD/Dunn/Dwlee
these are the consensus 1 scum in this group.

wait do we win if lim all 3 of those if we get it right of IV/Esther?

[Brighter Puppy]

im doin the basic math

lim correctly Ester/IV other dies
then we have 5 players
We lim Dwlee, Prism dies.
me/std/dunn

Nope not gonna work.
So yeah i still want group of 5.

[Brighter Puppy]

if we can lock one of dunn/std/dwlee as town.
Which I am nearing the idea that Dwlee lock town. Then maybe we can lim in the 3?

[Brighter Puppy]

prism im sure this isn't the time to be giving u advice, but ill give it anyways.
its not worth it to be upset over people calling u bad at mafia or snping at u.

dunnstral literally would never care if i started to pile on him for any of his mistakes in games. He shrugs them off.
like either the person is trying to push ur buttons and then question is why u letting them manipulate you, or they just voicing opinion its misunderstanding and then what does getting upset about it do, can channel that to solve why ur angry than not

okay mafia therapist over. take advice or leave it

[Brighter Puppy]

I wouldn't say coast but yeah I wasn't expecting such a big fight from you. Regardless you gave me a challenging 1v1 experience that I'll never forget, so thanks for that at least <3

fr i wanna be same-alignment with you some time, youre fun.

i question you because i figure the only way you get scumread is if you fumble some questions. perhaps i shouldve stated these points more assertively as cases so that you'd feel more pressured in responding to them; but, i dont think that would work, i think even the people townreading me tend to view my cases as, bad (which, idk, probably means they are!) and you could comfortably ignore them for that reason. you kinda did this when i raised the inconsistent attitude in your d1 play, and the inconsistency within that inconsistency; you just, say there's no real case, because you figure i havent brought enough new to the point to make people reconsider it. even now, im talking to you because i want to make you engage on my terms, i think that's how you slip up. and i think youre correct to largely deny me this, youre the one with something to lose if we engage in dialogue, even at this point in the game, dwlee isnt that sure. and there's always the chance that puppy or std (regardless of alignment) comes in to save you even if dwlee is on-path to flipping more definitively (puppy especially just, doesnt believe that my approach here is a town approach).

and fuck, i wont lie. yes i want to be townread lmao, ofc i do things to look town here.

Prism do u not read a post like this and not see someone who is talking to someone who they know is town?
Its a soft tone.

Like when I know someone is scum, I might be 100% willing to talk to them, but I am almost never this soft and "ohh let me explain myself better so u understand", I don't have to explain jack to that person. I am the town player, they know it. I know it. me explaining any actions is uneccessary.

This whole post looks like someone who is completely trying to avoid a direct confrontation (its not even passive aggressive)

Like u could argue to me esther is the most chill person ever, and I would still go. This ain't how town pushes someone they know is scum.

[Brighter Puppy]

I am not even saying "because esther is too nice can't be town" theres a certain kind of mentality/mindset of someone who both has a confident read, and they know the other person is caught.

Like in a police interrogation u might see indignation of accusation, u might see annoyance, you might see a lot of confidence cause they know police don't got anything. Esther reads like she thinks if she plays this aggreeable enough, works within the lines and doesn't push buttons, she can get the town her side.

I don't see that she is town confident in IV!scum. I don't see one in which she acknowledges that IV is pushing some sort of agenda or even thinking heavily on what IV overall plan is for scum. It just looks like she is a informant for police who cut a deal to comply and sell the person down the street out to get away with crime and knows its bs.

[Brighter Puppy]

i don't plan to meta u here.
im not gonna work that hard on figuring u out.

the only two positives i have on u is that u haven't pushed consensus reads and even though i characterize ur manner as "try not to trigger anyone" i would also say u don't seem to be buddying anyone (maybe dwlee)

[Brighter Puppy]

even those positives have negatives in that
1) i don't care if people are buddying as long as it doesn't look like it has ulterior motives and is organic
2) even ur pushing non consensus reads doesn't matter cause uve waffled on enough that u could be testing enough waters that its not like trying to die on a hill to a controversial read.

[Brighter Puppy]

I've already explained my reads

just to be clear where and when have u explained ur reads.
I looked in ur iso i barely see anything i would equate to a explanation for a read

[Brighter Puppy]

Yo Esther your posts recently feel scummy in a way that is hard to describe.
Anyway i think Fire still is adamant about big hood soo. Not sure where is best to vote cus all of STD/Dwlee/Dunn are slots i suck at read.
This probably isn’t helpful.
Feel like as the game is stalling, so is my will to do much.
Fire plz just do something.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Brighter Puppy]

ive arrived at the point of it being dunnstral for one i don't think his read progression (which is vague to none existent in most areas) can't be faked. His pushes in areas on certain questions like for instance on dwlee aren't good. Also i found it odd and maybe this is pure shit theory that he said he explained all his reads to Innocent when he didn't. It seemed like maybe and again shit theory he explained what he was planning in scum pt and that maybe he confused the two. Cause he didn't do it here and not in neighborhood because 5 posts from dunn in there and only one kind of explaining some ideas out.

So yeah i arrived at dunny today.

If i am wrong its dwlee/Esther

If am right it likely just dunn/esther

I am rulling out std at this point because he just doesn't fit into any of my theories besides his push on dwlee could be easily faked. Also std questions of confusion seem like scumfusion at knowing someones alignment but not understanding word salad people give. Wait what am i doing. STD is town in all universes to me. Don't begin the doubt game.

So I be lockin IV as town.
I am locking STD as town. STD would continue the story forever and im sticking to that inane reason.

[Brighter Puppy]

Doesn't your theory imply IV is dunn's partner?

how so

[Brighter Puppy]

Doesn't your theory imply IV is dunn's partner?

how so

Because if Dunn thinks that he told IV something, and your theory is he did it in the scum PT, then IV is in the scum PT.

no he mistakenly thought he explained something in pt that he posted there. my theory isn't those two discussed something in there and he forgot what thread they in.

im saying dunnstral made a post about people and thoughts mistakenly thought he made it in here and was going to be his "reads post" but didn't do it.

[Brighter Puppy]

Scum see me posting, they hatin’
Patrolling as they tryin to mislim by votin dirty.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

I am so tired and sick of this game and hate that I am again being placed in the driver's seat. The chance for redemption just isn't fucking worth it, I did not want this and even if I successfully get a scumflip this is just miserable.

Promise is a promise. I'm up and moving, vote to come tonight.

dont worry im driving and i can drive us.

I DONT NEED NO DIRECTION OR DESTINATION I WILL KINOW IT WHEN I FIND IT

[Brighter Puppy]

Me shitposting. Fire doing the work.
The way it should be.
The way it always should have been.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

It needs to be said that i often read people based on emotions. And Dunnstral is like an god damn sociopath in the games of mafia. STD isn’t much better either.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

i want to engage in prism points.
but i odn't know if i am walking on egg shells if i do.

[Brighter Puppy]

I think Esther's is very, very clean bordering on perfect if scum.

Like this....just tells me u think all my points are garbage and u won't even really tell me why u think she is playing so well?
I don't even know what is going on here.

I don't understand what is scummy about IV here except for how he came in this day and decided he would auto pilot this because he assumed we would just be lim Esther and calling it a day. Which to me isn't so much scummy as is lazy and anti town. Nothing in his tone really screams scum to me. The most i get is waffling and not commital reads. Which spoiler alert is like everyone in this game?

I don't want to beat u up so whenever u have a chance or if u don't want to engage i guess (whatever is best for ur health game not as important as rl issues).

I don't think this is right course of action so i am speaking up.

p-edit okay well this was what was on my mind

[Brighter Puppy]

I feel like IV would be way more present and use slimy arguments if he’s scum Prism. That game you brought up reminds me of that, don’t you think IV’s play is way different here? Now it could just be playstyle shift, but when he said it was stressing to be in a 1v1 it felt genuine and real. While Esther has mostly just looked smug lately. And i get why it’s easier to trust an player that doesn’t make any obvious mistakes and has an alluring tone. But it feels to me like it’s the play a scum would do. While IV made some wrong plays that he prob wouldn’t have done if he was scum. It speaks to me levels that i instantly caught out IV as scum in the micro, even if i later doubted my read. Because his play was "good", or "not making any visible mistakes" while i instantly thought Esther was scum in this game, even if i later doubted my read here too. But Fire woke me up. I think it’s clear that Esther has an bigger agenda of being townread, and is accomodating her play in order to reach that goal. In short, it’s not genuine. It’s artificial, it’s an uncanny AI. Close to human, but something creepy about it.
Now i’m not going to decide on your play, but i do feel like you should give our solves an chance today, and not just follow your own logic again. And right now both me and Fire feel more sure about scum!Esther than IV.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

There is another reason why it would be smart to vote 6 hood now actually, but if i say what it is, it will lose it’s impact… Hmm…

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

i havent really totally mentally swallowed ur posts yet to digest it. Im busy working hopefully get to thinking of this later.

[Brighter Puppy]

I don't feel like IV is faking anything, that's one of the reasons he seems more genuine today. I can imagine scum!IV going into today trying to outpost so he can build his position around the gamestate.
I was thinking about another game i think. I'm gonna look for it.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Scum!IV for reference: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12081533

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

IV can you vote Dunnstral.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

I'd really prefer to vote between Dwlee/Save the Dragons, as I believe that one of those two is the mafia in the group of 6

WOW.

THIS IS REVOLUTIONARY.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

VOTE: dwlee99

The fact that IV didn't blitz gives me pause but sure.

Eh, i wouldn't want to read based on that when we don't know if IV was online at the time, and also it's not ElO so IV probably shouldn't make himself look scummy by immediately hammering Dunn if they are town.
I get that you're trying to bring up an point in favour of our argument, but i'd rather we didn't try to find alignment indicative stuff from that.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

do i need to revive this game!

i kind of need to revive myself too. work has been shockingly slow

[Brighter Puppy]

Was hoping Fire would be more on but i guess not.
Nothing has really changed. We still think Dunn is the best choice.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

puppy's probably going to forget the association, say it's bad, make me re-iterate it, agree for like the third time, but still not change their vote because theyve stubbornly tunnelled themself into six-group

Does this read than anything more than "Don’t hammer my hood partner. I prefer dying myself or killing IV"

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

I should probably have stayed a bit more consistently present to make sure Esther didn’t slither and dither around spreading seeds of doubt and deceit. But that’s how the cookie crumbles.
Anyway, it is obvious that flipping in the 5 is superior today. I don’t see the need to spend another 10 posts reiterating why it is. As i’m sure people are tired of it at this point. So unless the deadline reaches under 1 hour, our vote stays where it is. I should be online for the last hour to vote Esther or IV just to ensure an elimination. But i’m hoping it won’t be necesarry.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Oh that’s hammer.
Well ok then.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Do not have big hopes, but open to being surprised.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

If IV flip town. Always flip in STD/Dunn in 5 hood.
Whichever was the most opportunistic today. I’d preferred it if we could have killed both in such an scenario, but that is not possible anymore.
If IV is scum then our reads probably weren’t the greatest so we’ll leave that to Prism’s discretion assuming we don’t live tommorow.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Or Esther get’s NK’ed in such an scenario maybe. Either way. If IV flips town we prob die anyways.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Fire thinks it’s Dunnstral.
I have no strong opinion yet. But i will give my thoughts once i finally sit down and analyze IV’s play.

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

is there anything interesting for me to look at.
I kind of want to just yeet dunn and call it a day but i think prism is vetoing that

and im assuming prism is dying tonight so prism veto has all the power.

[Brighter Puppy]

That was hammer? Really?

- Norwee

[Brighter Puppy]

Well bye Dwlee i guess.
I didn’t get to read on the game RIP.

- Norwee