Mafia Rule Updates Discussion Thread

[TemporalLich]

Currently under Mini Theme queues, uPicks have "procedurally bastard dynamics" - which lumps it into the same category as

games where the moderator can outright rig the game

.

A uPick without the possibility of bastard roles would be marked no for "mechanically bastard roles or mechanics" but that still means a role that enables direct mod influence like Moderator 1-shot Factional Kill Enabler would be able to exist.

Grand Idea is of course both mechanically and procedurally bastard for reasons anyone who knows what Grand Idea is should know.

[TemporalLich]

The bastardy condition against non-randomness used to be

un-divulged

non-randomness in player role/alignment generation, which means that uPicks weren't bastard as the non-randomness was known in signups.

[lilith2013]

I think there was a similar discussion in discord a couple months ago, which I was open to then and I’m still open to having, and might be better served in its own thread though.

[Jingle]

I wasn't around at that time so I don't know if there was a specific incident that caused the change,

There was a hip fire modkill in 2018 team mafia and I may have semi ‘confed’ myself as town in a game by playing up the potential that I might have to be modkilled in a situation where I knew I would not. As far as I am aware, no other high profile modkill situations happened that influenced it.

I think there was a forum thread for the proposed bastard flag changes, although I’d have to go digging to find it.

On the topic of the new rules, is flipping the mod/reviewer at the beginning of the game or using them to demonstrate rules like how to vote against the new rules?

[Jingle]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... t=+Bastard

The thread with the proposed changes to bastardry markers.

[Not Known 15]

On the topic of the new rules, is flipping the mod/reviewer at the beginning of the game or using them to demonstrate rules like how to vote against the new rules?

Good, point, "except yourself" could be added into that.