Mini Normal 2262: NbITGBSMoD [game over]

[Stephen A Smith]

i pretty much never fakeclaim alien after i get investigated as an inno lol

[Stephen A Smith]

i mean we know gunsmith gets guilties on at least 2 scum

that is a shit ton of power

and ive also never seen gunsmith inv a tpr miller and that tpr miller get eliminated lol

[Stephen A Smith]

i am an incredibly simple man and i think incredibly simple thoughts

i dont believe scum dont shoot a backup gunsmith that is confirmed to be a backup gunsmith

even if last scum is a doctor

because doctors can get poed out and i dont believe there is a mafia doctor in a game with gunsmith. last time datisi ran a game with mafia doctor vs town gunsmith he announced the existence of mafia doctor in the public information.

i believe datisi is an artist with his setups. he likes 4 tprs because he thinks it looks pretty. all 4 mini normals he ran have 4 tprs.

there is something beautiful about having an town alien - mafia alien enabler and a town gunsmith and a mafia backup gunsmith. its the kind of circle of life thing that datisi would love to throw into a game just because.

hockeyfan is a cowboys fan

we should kill him for that alone.

I am a simple man. I think simple thoughts. But I am often right so.

[Stephen A Smith]

i am an incredibly simple man and i think incredibly simple thoughts

i dont believe scum dont shoot a backup gunsmith that is confirmed to be a backup gunsmith

even if last scum is a doctor

because doctors can get poed out and i dont believe there is a mafia doctor in a game with gunsmith. last time datisi ran a game with mafia doctor vs town gunsmith he announced the existence of mafia doctor in the public information.

i believe datisi is an artist with his setups. he likes 4 tprs because he thinks it looks pretty. all 4 mini normals he ran have 4 tprs.

there is something beautiful about having an town alien - mafia alien enabler and a town gunsmith and a mafia backup gunsmith. its the kind of circle of life thing that datisi would love to throw into a game just because.

hockeyfan is a cowboys fan

we should kill him for that alone.

I am a simple man. I think simple thoughts. But I am often right so.

I think shooting wave (indeterminate remaining power, had guiltied scum) makes a lot more sense than shooting a backup gunsmith, irrespective of the last scum role. I think eliminating the claimed backup gunsmith before the rest of the PoE is doing scum's work for them.

consider: you know me to be a big fan of an easy endgame.

tw, andante, stephen (clear), eyes, umlaut, dwlee, hockey
eliminate eyes: tw, andante, Stephen (clear), umlaut, dwlee, hockey
scum shoots stephen, hockey checks umlaut: tw, andante, umlaut (clear), dwlee, hockey
elim dwlee (policy; cant be inno'd): tw, andante, umlaut (clear), hockey
scum shoots hockey (f3 umlaut has to choose between andante or I) or umlaut (hockey 1v1s one of andante or I)

I don't think scum leaving Hockey alive is a red flag at all. if you have other reasons to think Hockey is scum, or that the other two scummy players are town, I'm all ears.

I cant imagine a scum player thinking the town joat had another ability if the town has a backup gunsmith

i think maybe we just have vastly different opinions of setup balance

[Stephen A Smith]

is backup one shot gunsmith really a thing

[Stephen A Smith]

like seriously can any1 find me a game where a full gunsmith has a one shot back up

[Stephen A Smith]

this is just hockeyfan downgrading his claim to make it plausible for him to survive into endgame rofl

[Stephen A Smith]

backup one shot gun smith is absolutely an ugly role and i refuse to believe datisi puts it into this setup

mafia backup gunsmith is infinitely more sexy and pretty looking.

[Stephen A Smith]

lol lemme read what wave wrote

[Stephen A Smith]

ok fine maybe he didnt downgrade his claim i still think hes a scumbaggo but im fine going somewhere else or w/e

[Stephen A Smith]

I don't really have a plan b i just think the dude is scum

[Stephen A Smith]

maybe its just dwlee instead

i dunno I just dont think there's 5 TPRs in this game

[Stephen A Smith]

maybe its just Dlee

VOTE: Dwlee

[Stephen A Smith]

rereading nero's push on hockey didn't feel that theatrey

[Stephen A Smith]

I thought you were trying to kill eyes all game lol when was this

[Stephen A Smith]

i guess we can kill eyes if everyone wants to

[Stephen A Smith]

i just realized something

@dwlee

when hockeyfan claimed he was a backup why didn't you react to that at all and instead you continue to push to kill eyes?

[Stephen A Smith]

like did you really think there were 2 town backups in the same game?

[Stephen A Smith]

ok why?

[Stephen A Smith]

lit

[Stephen A Smith]

fml

[Stephen A Smith]

VOTE: hockeyfan

[Stephen A Smith]

how did i know theres no alien then?

[Stephen A Smith]

also if i didnt block fire on night one, who did?

[Stephen A Smith]

how did i know theres no alien then?

also if i didnt block fire on night one, who did?

1. What?
2. Scorp was a 2 shot mafia jailkeeper or you're just mafia RB

if im mafia rb how did u get a no gun check on me?

[Stephen A Smith]

theres an alien enabler

so how did i claim alien as mafia?

how does scum me know theres no alien to counterclaim me?

[Stephen A Smith]

i am convinced the last scum is between dwlee and hockeyfan

[Stephen A Smith]

we couldve just killed all 3 tpr claims yesterday but gj killing eyes instead 10/10

[Stephen A Smith]

and the fact that people actually think me as scum would decide to claim tpr as a cleared inno and suggest killing all 3 tprs including myself to end the game as scum

absolutely mindboggling

you r not even applying basic critical thought to this game

[Stephen A Smith]

my trust level in you went to 0 after eyes flipped town

[Stephen A Smith]

i might be willing to yeet andante because i would be embarrassed to lose to scum her

[Stephen A Smith]

do you not understand that mafia roleblocker would show up to your check as having a gun

[Stephen A Smith]

there's no such thing as a combined doctor/roleblocker

there's no reason to think scorp jailkept fire n1

and also even if i'm mafia doctor and got inno'd i have no incentive to claim alien because if real alien cc's i'm dead.

unless you think mafia have an alien enabler AND are informed that there is no alien

the people who think i could possibly be scum are just being absolutely ridiculous

[Stephen A Smith]

andante thinks im scum too

[Stephen A Smith]

UNVOTE:

[Stephen A Smith]

who do you think it is dwlee?

[Stephen A Smith]

bruh why would i trust you even if you were town

[Stephen A Smith]

you're the one who's like "dude i suck" lol

[Stephen A Smith]

ok so why r u so convinced it can't be hockey dude

[Stephen A Smith]

there's at least 2 scum roles that show up guilty to gunsmith

[Stephen A Smith]

how is a joat that used both of its abilities already stronger than a one shot gunsmith

[Stephen A Smith]

VOTE: Dwlee

I was just right on Day 1

[Stephen A Smith]

can anyone actually make a towncase for dwlee ?

[Stephen A Smith]

if you townread him for claiming PR thats literally the motive right there

[Stephen A Smith]

if you townread them for claiming PR thats literally the motive right there

fixed pronoun sorry buddy

[Stephen A Smith]

you really can't see the difference between claiming alien with a flipped alien enabler and claiming a backup vig?

fml

[Stephen A Smith]

i still think last scum is in hockey/dwlee so im willing to hammah hockey over andante

[Stephen A Smith]

I am a simple man who thinks simple thoughts

this doesn't make me wrong ! :3

[Stephen A Smith]

i hate even night gunsmith every time i see someone claim it, its a scum fakeclaim

[Stephen A Smith]

the difference between a full gunsmith and an even night gunsmith is like huge


it is not twice as powerful. its like three times as powerful

[Stephen A Smith]

cant fake paranoia on me im basically an ic atp unless you think my role is exactly informed mafia doctor who knows there is no alien in the game

in which case lol this setup doesnt ever pass setup review

[Stephen A Smith]

I mean I've seen 4 datisi minis have exactly 4 TPRs so I don't see why this one wouldn't have 4 tprs because Datisi has habits and aesthetic tastes and he is an artist.

and the two of you being absolutely convinced of each other being town is a point in favor of one of you being scum snowing the other and not a point in favor of both of you being town

[Stephen A Smith]

they've literally never done it for any of his mini normals

also andante is a hard no busser by meta

[Stephen A Smith]

i think koba said that about her meta once

i cant remember where I read they said that

i'll have to like do some research

can you show me a completed game where scum!andante bussed her partners recklessly?

[Stephen A Smith]

ok i found the quote:


https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13219137

[Stephen A Smith]

"btw if andante flips scum -> everyone she has pushed is pretty much conftown.


she is an avid antibusser till the very end unless she absolutely needs to.

like stubbornly so."

From Koba about Andante

and Koba has a shitload of experience with Andante

[Stephen A Smith]

Like proposition: at least one of Hockey and I is town that vehemently believe the other is town as well. Now is it more likely one of us is completely snowing the other or that we are both town?

also if you're scum you kind of have to defend hockey from me because you know if i kill hockey!town i come for you tomm and its awkward for you tomm

as long as you keep hockey alive i can't really tunnel you directly

also hockey is kind of convinced of you being town so why wouldnt you keep him alive if you're scum?

if anything its mad weird you are this convinced hockey is town because i dont see anything very clearing in hockey's iso.

[Stephen A Smith]

Yes and that is part of why I scumread Andante, she didn't push any of the flipped scum lol

she voted for them didnt she

[Stephen A Smith]

Like I had that exact Koba quote in mind thinking of her being scum

wut you didnt even play this game

[Stephen A Smith]

i guess koba says that in every game

[Stephen A Smith]

I don't think 1-shot backup gunsmith makes any sense as a scum role

ok if he's an investigated inno why is he still alive today over a claimed VT?

[Stephen A Smith]

For like two seconds and then hopped off

that's even worse than hard bussing

[Stephen A Smith]

i dont think her disappearing is ai

[Stephen A Smith]

more likely she's just town and bored

[Stephen A Smith]

make your best town case for yourself and ill evaluate it in good faith i promise

[Stephen A Smith]

1.) Backup vig w/ assumption of vig very early in the game showcased throughout my ISO. Would have to be a planned fake very early.

I respect your scum game enough for this to not really be a point in your favor lol

[Stephen A Smith]

I'm still thinking about the other stuff

[Stephen A Smith]

1) you want revenge for that time I dunked on you as scum
2) wifom you think not killing me will make me change my mind
3) you are worried that killing me could make people listen to me
4) you don't want to shrink the PR pool since you're scum and in the PR pool
5) you enjoy watching me suffer(see reason 1)

[Stephen A Smith]

cats v dogs
that time i quickhammered you as an art hydra
achrom calamity

[Stephen A Smith]

clearly this is your revenge on me

[Stephen A Smith]

fml

[Stephen A Smith]

well i kinda doubt andante flips scum but heres to hoping

[Stephen A Smith]

lol ok

[Stephen A Smith]

vote count 5.03

with 5 votes in play, it takes 3 to make a decision. day 5 ends in (expired on 2022-03-13 20:30:00).

yeet

HockeyFan [2]:

Andante, Umlaut

Dwlee99 [1]:

Stephen A Smith

Andante [1]:

Dwlee99

not voting [1]:

HockeyFan

mod notes

~ this is a mod note.

flavour

also deadline is in 3 days

[Stephen A Smith]

umlaut can u vote hockey so i can hammer him im too lazy to case him

[Stephen A Smith]

umlaut can u vote hockey so i can hammer him im too lazy to case him

basically refusing to play the game atp, thats cool

weird shade coming from you, it's not like you cased andante

[Stephen A Smith]

Why don"t you vote him and maybe I'll hammer tomorrow.

I enjoy hammering people

[Stephen A Smith]

I'm going to sleep on it. I think Hockey makes more sense but I kind of think Andante is worse by play (tho she was pretty bad by play in our last game where she was town so I really don't know how to read it)

she's anti-bus and she plays like this all the time and she bus voted on both scum and sounds like disinterested town to me

[Stephen A Smith]

alright gonna do my final reread of everything then hammer hockeydude in the evening so if you got any last words buddy i'd get em out there

[Stephen A Smith]

i mean you know if this hockey dude flips town im just going to vote for you tomm right

[Stephen A Smith]

you better shoot me at night and not take me to elo

[Stephen A Smith]

VOTE: HockeyFan

[Stephen A Smith]

fml

[Stephen A Smith]

its p obvious i dont shoot my boy dwlee since i was planning on yeeting them straight out of the game so uh

hmm this kinda sucks huh

[Stephen A Smith]

alright you two can like cross vote and i'll make the decision or the scum among you two can like vote me and try to 1v1 me or whatever

i prefer being voted cuz 1v1ing is more fun than deciding since im p shit at deciding

[Stephen A Smith]

i'll give 5 bonus points for whoever votes first

[Stephen A Smith]

do you think im mafia doctor?

[Stephen A Smith]

uh if i'm not alien but actually mafia doctor that would mean town not only doesn't have a protective/blocker tpr but also that the gunsmith can get false innos lol

this setup literally never passes review if i'm informed mafia doctor instead of alien voyeur.

[Stephen A Smith]

are you saying she couldn't have made the nightkill because she was on vacation all night?

[Stephen A Smith]

i'm like obviously town there's like nothing for either of you to think about

just cross vote and i'll like reread or flip a coin

[Stephen A Smith]

i town

[Stephen A Smith]

my body is ready

[Stephen A Smith]

alright I have some free time this weekend to reread and think this out.

don't worry about like casing each other or whatever. I will be thorough as fuck.

[Stephen A Smith]

you can give me your #1 reason why your opponent is guilty or you are innocent

i am rereading and thinking deeply about my choice.

[Stephen A Smith]

pls dont respond to everything she said

just give me your #1 best reason why andante is mafia or you are town(can give me one of each if you like)

wall of text back and forths are just not very useful.

[Stephen A Smith]

I don't really care about activity tbh.

[Stephen A Smith]

I'll make a decision after I see Umlaut's best reasons.

[Stephen A Smith]

well fwiw you know im leaning towards voting for umlaut since if i wanted to vote for you i wouldnt ask umlaut for _____ so.

[Stephen A Smith]

just giving him a chance to make his case

[Stephen A Smith]

if there is nothing from umlaut before Monday mid day I will hammer

[Stephen A Smith]

god im going to get roasted so hard if andante is mafia here rofl

[Stephen A Smith]

absolutely embarrassing

[Stephen A Smith]

i mean i dont think ur mafia

every1 else thought u were mafia

thats why i said if u r mafia here they r gonna give me so much shit rotfl

[Stephen A Smith]

VOTE: umlaut

like a bandaid lets glo

[Stephen A Smith]

andy were u town >.>

[Stephen A Smith]

oops gg