Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 6:22 am
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 6:52 am
Imagine saying that, then winning the game as an actual mafia rolecop. I don't have much experience, so I don't believe I can read people on day 1. Can't say causing chaos on day 1 makes someone scum, since that day matters the least. From where I'm standing everyone is just tying themselves into a knot. Guess I'll vote, just because everyone else is.In post 92, furtiveglance wrote:I knew for sure it wasn't your role, don't worry about that (I'm Rolecop not Goon)In post 89, Somnus wrote:Actually regretting spoiling that it’s based on post count now instead of letting you think it was based on your current alignment. A blown opportunity on my part.
VOTE: Somnus
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 7:17 am
That's fair. You shouldn't rely on other people's meta reads on each other. Making your own impressions is important! However, other people briefly discussing it may serve as a pointer to get started on reading someone. Both ways are equally appropriate, but I wouldn't call any of them more scummy than the other. They're simply different.In post 189, BigTerp wrote:Like I've already said, it's not at all how I'm use to playing this game. There was and has been a lot of talk about previous games, and I now understand that's a tactic, strategy, etc for many here. Which is obviously fine. I'm just not comfortable relying on others interpretations of how a particular player is playing this game compared to previous ones. I prefer to draw my own conclusions on how everyone is currently playing. I know day 1 there is little to go on, but that's why I try to find something different or odd for me to latch into early.In post 183, Mr Turtle wrote:I'm questioning the conclusion BigTerp got in post 108.
Confusion is a tool that can be used to town's benefit. While mafia may use confusion to manipulate town to some extent, mafia doesn't like too much chaos. The more confusing the thread gets, the more room there is for scum to slip as they aren't prepared for the confusion. The mafia relies that things follow their agenda and if there is no structure, it's hard for them to fit in.
Oftentimes a quiet, structured or stagnant game means that mafia is in control of the thread. If mafia were close to being caught, they'd try to use chaos and confusion to get out of it. Obviously, if nothing confusing or actionable is happening, mafia is perfectly content with their position in the game and that's a bad sign for town.
I don't think joking or meta reads have helped mafia, really. If anything, they've helped town. Joke posts are often relaxed and authentic, something which can be harder for scum to fake. Talking about a previous games can help contextualize, to those of us who haven't played or spectated those games, about who has meta reads on each other or who has radically changed their playstyle since their last game (possibly indicating an alignment shift).
As far as the confusion goes, apparently I'm the only one it causes it for, LOL!! But I disagree that confusion is better for town versus Mafia. If everyone is scrambling it's easier for mafia to nudge the votes in the direction they want without being noticed. If things are running smoothly yet votes but where Mafia wants them, it's harder for them to make that vote shift unnoticed.
I'm liking your breakdown of the game so far. You seem to belooking at posts thoroughly and providing good conversation about those posts. Feels very town like to me.
Your point about mafia liking confusion is good. Personally, I don't go as far as saying playing chaotic or confusing is alignment-indicative. I've played with chaotic players that just have that as their play style and insist that it makes them catch scum faster. It really depends on perspective and what "type" of confusion it is. But yeah, confusion can definitely help the mafia if they know how to use it to their benefit.
What do you mean that everyone is tying themselves into a knot?In post 201, PlmPestPlaY wrote:Imagine saying that, then winning the game as an actual mafia rolecop. I don't have much experience, so I don't believe I can read people on day 1. Can't say causing chaos on day 1 makes someone scum, since that day matters the least. From where I'm standing everyone is just tying themselves into a knot. Guess I'll vote, just because everyone else is.In post 92, furtiveglance wrote:I knew for sure it wasn't your role, don't worry about that (I'm Rolecop not Goon)In post 89, Somnus wrote:Actually regretting spoiling that it’s based on post count now instead of letting you think it was based on your current alignment. A blown opportunity on my part.
VOTE: Somnus
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 7:19 am
Oh no. Get well soon!In post 196, TTTT wrote:Just FYI
I'm sick sick sick
been up all night puking my guts out
not thinking at my peak today
hoping tomorrow is better and I'll get back in this
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 8:54 am
Does anyone seem scummy to you?
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 9:12 am
Are you talking to me or someone else?In post 204, marcistar wrote:Does anyone seem scummy to you?
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 9:36 am
I honestly don't have much of a read either way on Aliannas.In post 198, marcistar wrote:Yes :>In post 188, BigTerp wrote:Was your post "no, r u?" when asked if you were town just a joke post?
Maybe Aliannas scum..? What do you think about them?
You seem to be making vague posts and asking vague questions. That might just be your play style, but if you're scum, could be a way to show you're staying active and trying to find Mafia. Why have you yet to vote?
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 9:44 am
Is this vote random? You called out Furtive for claiming a role then voted Somnus. Odd.In post 201, PlmPestPlaY wrote:Imagine saying that, then winning the game as an actual mafia rolecop. I don't have much experience, so I don't believe I can read people on day 1. Can't say causing chaos on day 1 makes someone scum, since that day matters the least. From where I'm standing everyone is just tying themselves into a knot. Guess I'll vote, just because everyone else is.In post 92, furtiveglance wrote:I knew for sure it wasn't your role, don't worry about that (I'm Rolecop not Goon)In post 89, Somnus wrote:Actually regretting spoiling that it’s based on post count now instead of letting you think it was based on your current alignment. A blown opportunity on my part.
VOTE: Somnus
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 9:57 am
WAIT OOPS-In post 205, Mr Turtle wrote:Are you talking to me or someone else?In post 204, marcistar wrote:Does anyone seem scummy to you?
I meant to you
but anyone can respond ig 
Do you have reads on everybody else?In post 206, BigTerp wrote:I honestly don't have much of a read either way on Aliannas.
I like being vague because if i turn out to be wrong i can just be like "ahahaha" and laugh it off easier than going in full force I would.In post 206, BigTerp wrote:You seem to be making vague posts and asking vague questions. That might just be your play style, but if you're scum, could be a way to show you're staying active and trying to find Mafia. Why have you yet to vote?
Do I honestly need to vote right now..? So much to talk about and I don't wanna throw my vote around without being sure and liking the vote.
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 11:13 am
I meant to reply to this earlier but didn't get round to it.In post 169, marcistar wrote:
I find furtiveglance scummy yes.
10 feels VERY forced. While 18 also in a way feels a bit forced, but in the way of I think they're just inviting useless conversation to seem busy.
81, 117 just honestly feels like excuses and setting himself up so that he'll be able to get away with defending a possible scum wagon in the future by being like "OMG GUYS WTF I GAVE WARNING!!!". I agree with TTTTs post about it as well.
82 this feels like an honest question to me considering the follow through so it seems a bit like a slip imo.
97 Where was his vote before this? Because this seems WEIRD and standouts from his other posts when I was reading.
For me, I read parts of 127 in a nervous defensive sort of tone. Thats how I think its read, it seems like he doesn't want TTTT to get on his case for some reason. Whats he scared of?
131 I had something to say about this but now i'm tired so you guys can guess first
1) If you think my jokes are forced I can't help you with that, this isn't an open mic so I'm not bothered if you don't think I'm funny.
2) As for the defending a day 1 wagon, I think I'm being accused of hypothetically scumpositioning over a miselim here. Read Newbie 2088's Day 1 (my only previous game here) to see why I don't want a repeat of that. If someone I think is town is being voted, I won't just half-assedly say 'probably flips town' and then 'omg I told you' , I will actively defend them.
3) Asking about the username subtitles 'Townie', 'Goon' etc is not a slip. I knew it wasn't alignment related, I was just curious.
4) I used my vote on BigTerp is a kind of prod to make them talk. It wasn't on anyone before I voted them.
5) As for my interactions with TTTT, I'm not the kind of player to be suspicious of them purely because they were mafia in a previous game. I do not have TMI that they are town, it's day 1 and I am townleaning them.
Marcistar, I have entirely deconstructed your scumcase on me. Either find some new reasons to scumread me, or change your read.
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 1:29 pm
This is what we call an OMGUS vote. I’m glad my prof vote at least brought you out from zero contributions.In post 201, PlmPestPlaY wrote:Imagine saying that, then winning the game as an actual mafia rolecop. I don't have much experience, so I don't believe I can read people on day 1. Can't say causing chaos on day 1 makes someone scum, since that day matters the least. From where I'm standing everyone is just tying themselves into a knot. Guess I'll vote, just because everyone else is.In post 92, furtiveglance wrote:I knew for sure it wasn't your role, don't worry about that (I'm Rolecop not Goon)In post 89, Somnus wrote:Actually regretting spoiling that it’s based on post count now instead of letting you think it was based on your current alignment. A blown opportunity on my part.
VOTE: Somnus
Interestingly, just like BigTerp, he “mistakenly” accused me of saying what Furtive actually said.
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 1:29 pm
*Prod vote
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 1:35 pm
I do too. I know joke posts can come from either alignment, but your first two pages of posts are very unlikely to come from newbie scum. You’ve been very transparent.In post 199, Alianna wrote:I townread Alianna.
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 1:44 pm
@lukewarm
I know you were anxiously waiting for Marci to join the game so you could get an early read on her. What are your initial thoughts?
I know you were anxiously waiting for Marci to join the game so you could get an early read on her. What are your initial thoughts?
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 1:51 pm
Curious as to the reason for the unvote though. Was furtive’s post convincing to you?
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 2:03 pm
I'm far from townreading BigTerp but yeah, furtive's post convinced me to at least not vote them right away.
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 2:44 pm
My very primitive reads list that is very much subject to change:
Slightly Townish People
Mr Turtle - Initial gut feeling says townie and I like the logic in 183 and 202.
Somnus - Similar reasons to Mr Turtle.
furtiveglance - My points in 177 still stand, but their defenses in 184 and 209 have leaned me in a townish direction.
Nulls
TTTT - You are entirely unreadable.
PlmPestPlaY - Hasn’t posted enough to get an impression.
Lukewarm - I get a slightly off vibe but I have zero evidence so I’m not going to call them scum.
Slightly Scummy People
BigTerp - furtive has convinced me not to vote for them but I still find their logic strange for reasons that have already been discussed.
marcistar - Not liking 169. The read on furtive was questionable. Felt like she was fishing for reasons to find them scummy. I didn’t see any of the things she was talking about. 204 seems suspicious as well but I would expect that more from newbie scum. So not sure quite what to think.
Slightly Townish People
Mr Turtle - Initial gut feeling says townie and I like the logic in 183 and 202.
Somnus - Similar reasons to Mr Turtle.
furtiveglance - My points in 177 still stand, but their defenses in 184 and 209 have leaned me in a townish direction.
Nulls
TTTT - You are entirely unreadable.
PlmPestPlaY - Hasn’t posted enough to get an impression.
Lukewarm - I get a slightly off vibe but I have zero evidence so I’m not going to call them scum.
Slightly Scummy People
BigTerp - furtive has convinced me not to vote for them but I still find their logic strange for reasons that have already been discussed.
marcistar - Not liking 169. The read on furtive was questionable. Felt like she was fishing for reasons to find them scummy. I didn’t see any of the things she was talking about. 204 seems suspicious as well but I would expect that more from newbie scum. So not sure quite what to think.
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:09 pm
Somnus didn't make the posts Mr Turtle made - do you mean gut feeling again?
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:13 pm
Mostly.In post 217, furtiveglance wrote:Somnus didn't make the posts Mr Turtle made - do you mean gut feeling again?
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:14 pm
Beware, this player is a known bamboozler as mafia.In post 218, Alianna wrote:Mostly.In post 217, furtiveglance wrote:Somnus didn't make the posts Mr Turtle made - do you mean gut feeling again?
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:15 pm
I will keep that in mind.In post 219, furtiveglance wrote:Beware, this player is a known bamboozler as mafia.In post 218, Alianna wrote:Mostly.In post 217, furtiveglance wrote:Somnus didn't make the posts Mr Turtle made - do you mean gut feeling again?
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:27 pm
With the way this game has gone, I’m going to be accused of calling myself a bamboozler in this post.In post 219, furtiveglance wrote:Beware, this player is a known bamboozler as mafia.In post 218, Alianna wrote:Mostly.In post 217, furtiveglance wrote:Somnus didn't make the posts Mr Turtle made - do you mean gut feeling again?
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:55 pm
Is that some kind of joke Somnus? I hate jokes, they make me confused :/
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 4:06 pm
Well done. I legit LOL’ed.
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 4:09 pm
And we all know who love confusion.....