KTaNE [game over!]

[Frogsterking]

idk what he was even doing. probably looking for associations or something

Lol

[Frogsterking]

CSF I'm pretty sure fire was lying about writing that beforehand.

He posted it 12 mins after the mod announced he was replacing in tho

Hmm

[Frogsterking]

Catboi is lazy camping on their. Dwlee's vote is pretty meh. Kittens is on there despite not posting. Frogster hasn't even really explained why fire is scum.

It's a dumpster fire of a wagon.

Luke was weird and bailed and fire has been snarky and wifomy it's not a tough call to make.

[Frogsterking]

VP I respect the work you put into 1855 and I'm not going to disagree with your points. I think your argument ultimately provides evidence fire is a smart dude in his first replacement slot trying to make the most of a horrible situation and doing a consistently decent job at it. It doesn't change the fact fire replaced into a scum slot and therefore is a DATS infiltrator we've been assigned to kill.

[Frogsterking]

If you think andres is scum too, you can't lose by joining this wagon frog

What wagon

[Frogsterking]

Don't end the day until you see my scum case on Bell. I don't want him to bury my nightkill under wifom logic either.

[Frogsterking]

Now I'm going to make the mistake of correlation = causation and claim that andres showed up two nights in a row BECAUSE of the formation of his wagon.

[Frogsterking]

Andres I did summarize my issues with your slot, it's the big post with your avatar on the top. I'm going to stay out of your way unless there's anything you'd like to ask ME because I'm not certain on your alignment and I'd like to give you a chance to get into the town end of things.

[Frogsterking]

Now I'm going to make the mistake of correlation = causation and claim that andres showed up two nights in a row BECAUSE of the formation of his wagon.

You’re really bad at the game, and should pay more attention to what I wrote.

I am familiar with what you wrote that's what caused me to second guess myself.

[Frogsterking]

Andres you know that in the game we played before, when we were SvT you kept telling me over and over that my argument is nonsense?

Regardless of your alignment, it's a very poor choice of words to use that same line again.

[Frogsterking]

Hey guys you're welcome I hit scum here on andres, thank you for putting up with my tinfoil theories and aggressive solving.

Thank you VP and everyone else for backing me up on this and forcing andres to get in here and address his wagon, I owe you one!

[Frogsterking]

I will consider anyone actually relying on Frog’s more recent arguments to be claiming Scum.

Thanks andres I know what you mean.

I'm going to go take a walk I earned it I spent a lot of this weekend on this game.

My top guess for the third right now is Ceph, there's a reason the style is called "open wolfing."

But there's a pretty big drop off between fire + andres and my ideas for the other two.

[Frogsterking]

This implies you think Frogsterking believes a singe thing they're saying.
Which is quite the take.

Bell you're just mad because I've been hyping up my scum case on you and Ceph is still my top choice outside the two outted scum.

[Frogsterking]

Imagine you were frogsterking and you wrote a post but everytime you moused over the submit button it was replaced by 'lob granade'

Hey I just said I was trying to get a full solve, I didn't say anything would remain intact in the process.

[Frogsterking]

Uhh did the mod lock your scum PT on accident?? This is the game thread you guys...

[Frogsterking]

CSF please help me get the andres wagon over the line today. It's even better than the fire one. I respect you want to see more from andres but he's scum spewing now lmao. Andres doesn't want to see more from andres, they're just hoping town is really stupid.

[Frogsterking]

The way fire won't let this go makes me optimistic andres is some scum pr they don't want to lose because it's important to the theme.

[Frogsterking]

Any reasons that have been expressed to paint me as Scummy have already been proven to be bad because I’m Town and anyone paying close attention to my posts already understands the reasons. Frog is just the personification of stubbornness.

I think your catch up was scummy.

And you sitting there saying "but my catchup wasn't scummy because I'm actually town!" isn't going to change my mind, because it doesn't help me at all.

The actual reasons have gone way over your head. Your insistence only makes you look worse in the long run.

Do you even know what my reasons for scumreading you are???

Or are you just talking on cruise control now

Because you haven't responded to me this entire time

He's spewing CSF he knows that we know and he can't get out of his head to lie anymore.

[Frogsterking]

Andres is just scum, right

Because this is pretty frustrating as far as mafia interactions go lol

Yes don't worry you're not crazy. I can't tell how many of them are scum vs very stupid town but it's very possible the town is outnumbered right now in the gamethread lmao

[Frogsterking]

Andres is just scum, right

Because this is pretty frustrating as far as mafia interactions go lol

CSF you need to back me up on Andres+Fire+Ceph+Bell being scum or very stupid town lol

Everyone just says I'm tinfoiling when I say it, but now you see what I mean, it's very frustrating and they are legitimately full of shit

[Frogsterking]

I think the scum team is going to lose or close to it if andres dies because of his role. That's my explanation for why they would sacrifice themselves like this.

[Frogsterking]

ok eh i changed my mind again I think it's more likely scum are taking advantage of frog here to push this

VOTE: misty

Did Andres' recent posts ring as towny to you?

Lol omg CSF the solve is fire + andres + Bell + Ceph or very close to it. They are just spewing. They can't lose andres because of the theme so they're going all out to gaslight people into not voting andres.

[Frogsterking]

Nice, fire, nice.

[Frogsterking]

Lol omg CSF the solve is fire + andres + Bell + Ceph or very close to it. They are just spewing. They can't lose andres because of the theme so they're going all out to gaslight people into not voting andres.

I'll agree with you on fire, but I'm not convinced about Cephrir or Bell. They could just be town who really, really think fire is scum (which does fit in Bell's case since he has meta experience with Luke).

and by theme, you think Andres is a strong PR role?

Yes, he's clearly got something more valuable than fire because I didn't see anyone showing up to save fire.

And I doubt both Bell and Ceph are trying this hard to save andres and as town. MAYBE one of them had a REALLY long day at work, but andres is just legit scum claiming right now. I doubt Ceph or Bell are actually this stupid.

[Frogsterking]

@csf scumreading yes. But I'm nowhere close to an extreme read.

Im confused as to where frog got this idea that I'm working extremely hard to save Andres when I'm not even doing anything. I guess I'm extremely stupid town for some reason.

Vote andres then

[Frogsterking]

No thanks, I'm too busy being stupid, howling and gaslighting nobody

See what I'm talking about CSF. For some reason andres has a role valuable enough they HAVE to try and prevent his wagon.

[Frogsterking]

can someone who isn't me tell frog that he seriously needs to chill and have like even an ounce of humility when it comes to his own opinions for there to be any hope of town winning this

because he will ignore it if it comes from me. and probably from anyone else but it's worth a try

What if they're scum though.
Then the joke's on us.

Burn

[Frogsterking]

Are you guys high lmao

[Frogsterking]

What fuck did you guys smoke tonight lmao

[Frogsterking]

No thanks, I'm too busy being stupid, howling and gaslighting nobody

See what I'm talking about CSF. For some reason andres has a role valuable enough they HAVE to try and prevent his wagon.

Town will disagree with each other though, and even tunnel and TvT each other. If town always agreed with each other, this game would be a cakewalk. As it is, I would guess Cephrir and Bell are town

I think Ceph is high town and Bell is high scum

[Frogsterking]

I think the alignments are CSF + Frog town, fire + andres scum, Ceph is high and town, Bell is high and scum

[Frogsterking]

Enchant you missed andres scum spewing

[Frogsterking]

I don't mind the shit posting as long as it's sort of funny and andres gets it today. Ceph if you vote andres and he flips town I'll self vote tomorrow

[Frogsterking]

HURT: pooky

Not sure if I've done this yet

[Frogsterking]

HURT: mala[/hurt

It helps a lot to be able to add Ceph to my town pile

[Frogsterking]

HURT: mala

There

[Frogsterking]

If Pooky's absence is actually AI that could be worth considering since we named half the town core after them

[Frogsterking]

Andante are you chainsawing me for andres lmao

[Frogsterking]

OMG catboi fire is scum, andres is scum, kill andres D1 because he will be more helpful to scum for solving the mechanics of the nightplay.

If you vote andres D1 I will vote fire D2.

[Frogsterking]

we're not limming andres today, he's not been scummy enough to lim through the claim even if he hasn't been towny either

also ty to those who have voted to heal me

If andres claimed to have some BS power role then that's even more reason to lim him.

[Frogsterking]

You need to be VERY gullible to believe andres fake claim, is all I've got to say

[Frogsterking]

What's the fire wagon at?

[Frogsterking]

You need to be VERY gullible to believe andres fake claim, is all I've got to say

won't maf just kill a doc claim? and if not, andres the bomb expert could save the defuser to prove it's real? yes??

Andres not a fucking doc andante just kill him tomorrow and don't listen to whatever wifom BS excuse he makes

VOTE: fire

[Frogsterking]

You realize I modded that game where andres was scum and most of his scumplay consisted of burying his head in the sand and praying not to be killed, right

And I 1v1 against him D3 where he played like this. He's only here because i forced his head out of the sand. This is his AtE desperado game I can recognize it, it's justlike D3 of that same game you modded

[Frogsterking]

HEAL: ceph HEAL: Menalque

[Frogsterking]

You realize I modded that game where andres was scum and most of his scumplay consisted of burying his head in the sand and praying not to be killed, right

And I 1v1 against him D3 where he played like this. He's only here because i forced his head out of the sand. This is his AtE desperado game I can recognize it, it's justlike D3 of that same game you modded

And he's doing the exact same tactic in that game you modded too where IV fake claimed D1 to get the pressure off.

"Simple doc" ? Get the fuck out of here

[Frogsterking]

Summarize everything in that hood? What each of you said

Yeah, I would love just a general summary.

Very bad vibes.

[Frogsterking]

So catboi made himself defuser?

No andres did.

Andante is an even-night infiltrator and andres is an odd night infiltrator

VOTE: andante

[Frogsterking]

Until someone can confirm to me that role-changers are illegal in large themes, I believe catboi is a one-shot changeling-type role and Andante, andres and probably Greeting are the scum team. This conclusion about the roles is based on Andnate hard claiming her role in the hood which is clearly a scum aligned PR role that seems to fire on even nights, and andres has the same thing except his fires on odd nights, which is why on N1 andres was in the hood and catboi was switched.

And I hardclaim responsibility for catboi's death by killing him like this 3 minutes before the deadline:

I command catboi to defuse the BOMB by:















































Tapdancing, and singing the "The Imagination Song" from Southpark. Lyrics:

Imagination
Imagination
Imagination!

Imagination
Imagination
Imagination
Imagination

Imagination
Imagination
Imagination

Imagination
Imagination
Imagination

Imagination
Imagination
Imagination
Imaginatiooooooooooon!

[Frogsterking]

This conclusion about the roles is based on Andnate hard claiming her role in the hood which is clearly a scum aligned PR role that seems to fire on even nights, and andres has the same thing except his fires on odd nights, which is why on N1 andres was in the hood and catboi was switched.

?? I thought andres claimed simple doctor

I'm confused

CSF are you slow.

Did you ever think andres LIED in a game about LYING lmao

[Frogsterking]

is frogster a jester or something?

Nope, I hardclaim that Andante and andres mech outted themselves as scum in the hood, and Greeting is most likely scum as well based on the PT hood.

[Frogsterking]

is frogster a jester or something?

Nope, I hardclaim that Andante and andres mech outted themselves as scum in the hood, and Greeting is most likely scum as well based on the PT hood.

VOTE: Frogster

Vote me if you want to confirm my claims.

I just warn you that the townie (if there is one) in the hood tonight is going to have nightmares forever about creepy!Andante mysteriously showing up in their PT chats wifoming them to defuse the bomb

[Frogsterking]

This is a non-bastard game, right? Jester is the only thing I can think of.

game's confirmed to be 15:4

Unless you can confirm that scum aligned roles that alter their flip on death are hard banned in Large Themes, I believe there are only 3 scum left and they're most likely Andante, andres and Greeting.

[Frogsterking]

This is a non-bastard game, right? Jester is the only thing I can think of.

game's confirmed to be 15:4

cool.

VOTE: frogsterking

I'm fine if you vote me out, remember Andante and andres are mech outted in the PT, and I scumread Greeting as well.

[Frogsterking]

This is a non-bastard game, right? Jester is the only thing I can think of.

game's confirmed to be 15:4

Unless you can confirm that scum aligned roles that alter their flip on death are hard banned in Large Themes, I believe there are only 3 scum left and they're most likely Andante, andres and Greeting.

what are you smoking

this game isn't bastard if that's what you're asking

Are 1-shot changeling type roles only in bastard in large themes?

[Frogsterking]

i feel like frog is going to flip town but it really doesn't matter. this clown needs to get out of our mafia game either way

What the fuck would you do if players that almost got voted out showed up, defused the guy in like 10 minutes, and the guy hardclaims "I'm a daredevil innocent child"

[Frogsterking]

HEAL: bell
HEAL: vp baltar
HEAL: dwlee

VOTE: frog

andres is still scum though

I strongly encourage you to ignore whatever

Frog

is saying and follow me,

Andante

,

Andresvmb

and

catboi

onto this.

I would strongly encourage you to NOT defuse the bomb if creepy!Andante shows up in your hood tonight

[Frogsterking]

i feel like frog is going to flip town but it really doesn't matter. this clown needs to get out of our mafia game either way

What the fuck would you do if players that almost got voted out showed up, defused the guy in like 10 minutes, and the guy hardclaims "I'm a daredevil innocent child"

dude, if they were IC, the mod confirms that in thread. You would instantly know the next day if catboi was lying.

Everyone was being sketch and catboi has associatives with all three of them. The hood also was clearly manipulated: andres wasn't supposed to be there and catboi saved andres. I figured their plan was to just nightkill me.

[Frogsterking]

I recommend NOT putting Andante, Greeting or andres as experts after you see my flip, and if creepy!Andante shows up in the hood on an even night making wifom arguments and telling you to defuse the bomb, DON'T do it

[Frogsterking]

I strongly encourage you to ignore whatever

Frog

is saying and follow me,

Andante

,

Andresvmb

and

catboi

onto this.

did catboi call frog scum too?

Yes, he was literally grilling me for disbelieving at first.

Andante

can confirm this.

This is a lie, Greeting defused catboi in like 10 minutes and then thread flaked. I grilled Andante mostly, catboi just evaded all of my questions.

[Frogsterking]

@Frogsterking. Why do you keep shading Andante?

Honestly if Frogs flips mafia here I think he spews Andante town here.

Because she hard claimed in the hood a role like this:


On an even night, if she is the defuser, she can switch herself with one of the experts in the hood.


This role makes no sense as a town PR role because scum are the ones who choose the defuser. So how is that a town power role, what if she's never made the defuser?

The scum team is called "GB Infiltrators" and this is clearly a role designed to infiltrate. She made mistakes when claiming the mechanics on the role, and andres was guiding her on it, as though he knew how it worked, making me think he's an even night version.

[Frogsterking]

@Frogsterking. Why do you keep shading Andante?

Honestly if Frogs flips mafia here I think he spews Andante town here.

Because she hard claimed in the hood a role like this:


On an even night, if she is the defuser, she can switch herself with one of the experts in the hood.


This role makes no sense as a town PR role because scum are the ones who choose the defuser. So how is that a town power role, what if she's never made the defuser?

The scum team is called "GB Infiltrators" and this is clearly a role designed to infiltrate. She made mistakes when claiming the mechanics on the role, and andres was guiding her on it, as though he knew how it worked, making me think he's an odd night version.

EBWOP

[Frogsterking]

we didn't talk nearly as much as you guys did in group 2

no one gave a readslist except VP i think

and also Andres scum was a consensus read

In the PT hood last night, everyone instantly assumed andres was town and no one questions at all why he was there. THis was like the third thing that made me IMMEDIATELY suspicious.

[Frogsterking]

Frogs/Mala/CSF/Andres/Maybe Andante is the team btw

If I'm correct then this is a pretty good solve, because you got 50%

[Frogsterking]

@VP

After you see my role flip shoot Andante, andres or Greeting

[Frogsterking]

@VP

After you see my role flip shoot Andante, andres or Greeting

@All

On D3, after you see my flip, and the flip from whichever one VP shot, the other two here in this list are almost mech-confirmed to be scum.

And in N2, if creepy!Andante shows up magically in the hood making wifom arguments, OR anyone else on this list for that matter, do NOT defuse the bomb, it's ALL wifom.

[Frogsterking]

I was trying to tell y'all for so long that frogs was scum and that no one should be townreading him, and no one fucking believed me, and now y'all are trying to box me out of the hood when I LIKE hoods.

Flip me bitch you were wrong

[Frogsterking]

if you're outing some role info on vp then dude are you literally trying to lose

Ceph you smoke too much, the bomb got defused VP gets a vig shot tonight

[Frogsterking]

GB Inc. infiltrators do not have a factional nightkill every night. they start off with one nightkill. for every

two successful bomb defusals

performed by a DATS Inc. employee, they gain one nightkill. for every successful bomb defusal performed by a GB Inc. infiltrator, they gain one nightkill.

SHOOT

[Frogsterking]

i'm policy eliming today straight up

That's fine just remember Greeting, Andante, andres are all extremely sketch in the N1 hood

[Frogsterking]

So catboi made himself defuser?

And FYI to reiterate, if Andante, Greeting, or andres scum flip scum to confirm my theory is right about how the setup works, then what happened in the hood was that scum chose andres as the defser, and the scum team have roles which enable them to switch with one of the experts.

[Frogsterking]

Yeah no Frogs is probably scum here.

That's not even a shade I feel like comes from town its just fearmongering.

Frogs is at 5/9 votes btw

That's fine, just remember my theory about how the setup works, some of the scum have PR roles that enable them to switch with one of the experts if they choose themselves as the defuser. I HEAVILY suspect andres and Andante have these roles based on their behavior in the hood, and I also HEAVILY FoS Greeting for instantly defusing catboi and then lurking the rest of the night.

[Frogsterking]

I think if you're town, frogs, it's more likely that your hood was all town

I'm not going to elaborate on this further at this time

Please remember this if i die tho

[Frogsterking]

see, we were thinking andres got thrown to group 1 like that to be SRed, andres in the hood was pretty good, catboi and I were thinking andres town for sure... like, frogster was just annoying the whole time... Greeting had the time zone difference so wasn't there too much, but was there enough and actively tried to solve with catboi

What did Andres say? I want to know what original thoughts he had, and why you tr'd him

Also I don't understand. If scum wanted Andres to be SR'ed, why wouldn't they make Andres a defuser?

umm well first off his very first post in the PT was like, really towny lol (idk what's even allowed to be quoted or what.. cause frogster quoted word for word something I said...)
but hood from andres basically started like "yeah catboi is town, lets solve the bomb" and LOTS of words lol uhhhh was against just massclaiming cause he didn't trust all, which I totally understood. Frogs, while calling catboi maf claimed macho cop.. sooo that's whatever. Has he given his macho cop result here? nope. uhhh andres thought I was claiming scum when I claimed, umm overall andres seemed genuine and towny!!

andres was NOT townie andres was extremely suspicious and everyone instantly townread him. NO ONE thought it was a good idea to NOT defuse catboi, that there was any chance catboit was not town, and BARELY brought up the fact that andres was even in the hood was extremely strange.

[Frogsterking]

dwlee are you really trying to get townread for a wagon that went nowhere

pedit @Andante: yeah I'm not going to fight his lim because I think people are never going to be able to move on from his play, but I still think he flips town :<

That's fine, I feel like I said enough

[Frogsterking]

~ once in the game, at twilight, if you have not been voted in as a bomb expert, you may make yourself be the bomb defuser for the night.

catboi NEVER claimed this in the thread.

[Frogsterking]

After I flip town, and you flip 1 of these 3 to confirm if my theory about the setup is real,

Remember:

Andante, andres, Greeting scum

scum have abilities that manipulate the hoods at night. Andante has an ability that enables her to switch places with one of the defusers that seems to be on even nights. andres has an ability that does something similar on odd nights.

[Frogsterking]

wait frogster claimed macho cop?

Yes. After catboi claimed "innocent child daredevil" I thought he was going to flip scum so I claimed macho cop to imply I was a bomb so I didn't get nightkilled.

[Frogsterking]

If catboi's role is real then I don't know why he didn't just claim that he was the one who made himself the defuser; I would have believed him then.

[Frogsterking]

wait frogster claimed macho cop?

Yes. After catboi claimed "innocent child daredevil" I thought he was going to flip scum so I claimed macho cop to

imply I was a bomb so I didn't get nightkilled.

wait what? how does claiming macho cop prevent you from getting NK'd?

So it was a fakeclaim?

Because I was scum hunting really aggressively and obviously didn't believe catboi's claim at the time I countered with my own fake claim, so from a scum POV the only reason I would claim to be a macho cop would be if I were a Bomb and wanted to eat an NK.

[Frogsterking]

I think if I made a mistake then catboi shares the burden of responsibility, because he never explained any of that stuff in his role. If he just told me he was the one who made himself the defuser I would have been much more likely to believe him.

[Frogsterking]

@VP

After you see my role flip shoot Andante, andres or Greeting

Whatever your flip, I don't see how andres wasn't scum saved by that fire wagon yesterday.

I KNOW YES!!

and I thought catboi looked bad too by association with andres. Going into N1 my solve was andres/catboit/mistyx. When the thread opened, EVERYONE instantly townread andres and catboit and didn't find it suspicious AT ALL that andres was there.

I was like.. what the fuck is going on here? How are you all so certain that catboi and andres are town?

[Frogsterking]

@VP

After you see my role flip shoot Andante, andres or Greeting

Whatever your flip, I don't see how andres wasn't scum saved by that fire wagon yesterday.

I KNOW YES!!

and I thought catboi looked bad too by association with andres. Going into N1 my solve was andres/catboit/mistyx. When the thread opened, EVERYONE instantly townread andres and catboit and didn't find it suspicious AT ALL that andres was there.

I was like.. what the fuck is going on here? How are you all so certain that catboi and andres are town?

The counter explanation to my theory about how the set up works is if:

catboi was too arrogant to ever explain to me WHAT an innocent child daredevil actually is
Andante was anxious and said weird things that sketched me out too
Greeting is super low effort town

and andres is scum sent in to sabotage the night kill.

[Frogsterking]

I think if you're town, frogs, it's more likely that your hood was all town

I'm not going to elaborate on this further at this time

nvm I retract this because of frogster's cop claim lol

just ignore me

Why? lol

[Frogsterking]

guys I'm a TPR though for real. It's fine if you don't believe me. But I want to out now

[Frogsterking]

I think maybe catboi and I were TvT and we just clashed. He said a ton of AtE and never explained to me what an innocent child daredevil does and I thought he was full of shit.

[Frogsterking]

I think maybe catboi and I were TvT and we just clashed. He said a ton of AtE and never explained to me what an innocent child daredevil does and I thought he was full of shit.

I asked catboi to explain what an innocent child daredevil does and he just kept being sarcastic and saying all I had to do was defuse the bomb.

If he told me that HE MADE HIMSELF THE DEFUSER that would have put a very long ways toward believing what he was saying.

[Frogsterking]

I'm a TPR and it has potential to be pretty strong so I'm going to hard claim now if necessary. I really didn't expect to be in this situation because I was convinced catboi was going to flip scum.

[Frogsterking]

I'm a TPR and it has potential to be pretty strong so I'm going to hard claim now if necessary. I really didn't expect to be in this situation because I was convinced catboi was going to flip scum.

then claim? idk what you're waiting for tbh

I'm a Dats Inc bomb

[Frogsterking]

hey guys, what's going on in this thread

I may have messed up really bad, catboi claimed innocent child daredevil and wouldn't explain what it did and then we started clashing

[Frogsterking]

frogster =

DATS Inc bomb

if no one saw

and wow @ innocent child daredevil being a real role

[Frogsterking]

hey guys, what's going on in this thread

I may have messed up really bad, catboi claimed innocent child daredevil and wouldn't explain what it did and then we started clashing

@GL basically Frogster killed catboi in our hood. Frogster refused to defuse his part of the bomb, and kept derailing the PT and causing confusion (basically what he's doing here) and Frogster is the lim for today.

Asking normal questions like "Why did you think andres was town?" and "What does an innocent child daredevil do?" do NOT constitute derailing a thread.

[Frogsterking]

I don't think we should be doing 4p team reads but I'm fine with Frog first and if that flips red moving onto Strange/Dwlee tomorrow

@Dwlee - can you point me to the case post(s)? Either post # or quote yourself is fine

If my theory about how this setup works is completely ass backwards then I FoS GL and CSF based on their reaction to the daystart. I think even if my theory about the setup is completely wrong then andres is still scum and CSF and GL seem like they knew this daystart was going to happen

[Frogsterking]

I don't think we should be doing 4p team reads but I'm fine with Frog first and if that flips red moving onto Strange/Dwlee tomorrow

@Dwlee - can you point me to the case post(s)? Either post # or quote yourself is fine

lol that's what catboi told me too... hahahaha

Andante is this seriously been your town game this whole time?

[Frogsterking]

I don't think we should be doing 4p team reads but I'm fine with Frog first and if that flips red moving onto Strange/Dwlee tomorrow

@Dwlee - can you point me to the case post(s)? Either post # or quote yourself is fine

lol that's what catboi told me too... hahahaha

I don't think we should be doing 4p team reads but I'm fine with Frog first and if that flips red moving onto Strange/Dwlee tomorrow

@Dwlee - can you point me to the case post(s)? Either post # or quote yourself is fine

lol that's what catboi told me too... hahahaha

Andante is this seriously been your town game this whole time?

Andante why would you just instantly believe an "innocent child daredevil" claim at face value?

[Frogsterking]

I don't think we should be doing 4p team reads but I'm fine with Frog first and if that flips red moving onto Strange/Dwlee tomorrow

@Dwlee - can you point me to the case post(s)? Either post # or quote yourself is fine

lol that's what catboi told me too... hahahaha

Andante if this is really your town game then you should start listening to me...like a lot more than you did in the hood...

[Frogsterking]

I don't think we should be doing 4p team reads but I'm fine with Frog first and if that flips red moving onto Strange/Dwlee tomorrow

@Dwlee - can you point me to the case post(s)? Either post # or quote yourself is fine

lol that's what catboi told me too... hahahaha

Andante if this is really your town game then you should start listening to me...like a lot more than you did in the hood...

Andante if this is your town game and my was completely wrong, then it didn't even matter that I gave catboi the incorrect instructions, because andres did anyway.

[Frogsterking]

Reread my interaction where then multiple people come out of nowhere to tell me I'm wrong on frogs.

I definitely think Dwlee is town now

[Frogsterking]

Frog, do you accept now that catboi was town? Does that change your reads at all?

It's hard because I was SUPER deep in my tinfoil, like I was at the level I reached in the Bunnies game when I thought Math+Ari+Dats were the scum team.

I can definitely see Andante being town and being anxious which caused us both to act differently and FoS each other, and I can definitely see myself ego clashing with catboi, who DID NOT explain anything about his role other than demanding that I defuse them bomb.

[Frogsterking]

I don't think we should be doing 4p team reads but I'm fine with Frog first and if that flips red moving onto Strange/Dwlee tomorrow

@Dwlee - can you point me to the case post(s)? Either post # or quote yourself is fine

lol that's what catboi told me too... hahahaha

I don't think we should be doing 4p team reads but I'm fine with Frog first and if that flips red moving onto Strange/Dwlee tomorrow

@Dwlee - can you point me to the case post(s)? Either post # or quote yourself is fine

lol that's what catboi told me too... hahahaha

Andante is this seriously been your town game this whole time?

Andante why would you just instantly believe an "innocent child daredevil" claim at face value?

I TRed catboi for his day play, how he was before that claim in the PT was not scummy at all, I didn't even care what he claimed. you can not tell me you scumread his 100+ posts of solving in that PT... like as I told you in the PT, you had NO REASON to think your read on catboi was better than literally everyone else. Everyone voted him in as an expert. they TRED HIM. so you thought "I SR catboi. everyone else is wrong. My read is better!!!" ??? yeah no. You not solving, for sure made catboi die. now, we have no way of knowing if someone solved their part wrong. so yeah I think you played terribly, and I'm voting you for it and that is that

catboi lead the wagon on fire and off of andres. The fact that he did that, combined with being made the defuser magically by an unknown force, AND andres showing up in the same hood are the reasons why I thought catboi should be HEAVILY considered suspicious. These have nothing to do with how popular catboi is or how many people townread him before they saw the flip + night play.

The fact that you, andres and Greeting instantly assumed he was town and didn't find it suspicious that andres was there looked VERY strange.

[Frogsterking]

actually Frog scum almost certainly hard confirms everyone else in that hood as town right? Assuming he sacrificed himself to take out IC catboi, means there wasn't a better buddy who was worse positioned than he was to take the fall

Unless there were role reasons perhaps. What you're saying maybe makes some sense though. (I'm thinking about andres here)

VP in answer to your earlier questions about my reads changing, I definitely think andres is scum, and I also FoS CSF and GuiltyLion now because I don't believe their reactions to the daystart.

[Frogsterking]

It is kind of a mystery why Frog didn't do it in a more subtle fashion though? only thing I can guess is solely to ensure less attention to other buddies today?

I was convinced I was gonna die, someone said scum had a night kill N1, so I was like, oh... trading frogs for me and catboi.. I can see this... makes sense but now? who knows

I thought you were scummy for thinking you were going to die because I don't think that your role is very good unless it's scum aligned

[Frogsterking]

Why did they kill him when catboi was obvious town though.

I was super super tinfoiled and paranoid, catboi and I were ego clashing. I made a 0/100 townplay in the hood. PT I never expected "innocent child daredevil" to be a real flip

[Frogsterking]

Why did they kill him when catboi was obvious town though.

I was super super tinfoiled and paranoid, catboi and I were ego clashing. I made a 0/100 townplay in the hood. PT I never expected "innocent child daredevil" to be a real flip

And I disagreed that catboi was obvious town and I think that made him act haughty. Then he accused me of being scum and I death tunneled him and ghosted the thread. Then he and Andante wrote like pages and pages of incorrect solves completely tunneled on me on me being scum. I just played very poorly I think overall

[Frogsterking]

I believe that Catboi is changeling.


Not really. But seems like Frog is designated bus or Village Idiot. He can't even simple lie to have just 1/4 chance to die?

Village Idiot this game unfortunately

[Frogsterking]

Like do you really think if Frog flips Scum, 1772 (or most of the other posts attacking me) is a distancing post? And if I wanted to create theater, do you really think I openly say I would limit my interactions with Frogsterking? I mean that’s a bit absurd.

I think it's more absurd that you think you should be town read when the end of the fire wagon looked entirely meant to save you. I don't think town you would just brush that off as not looking scummy at all.

If frog flip scum, that helps a town!andres case, but no I don't think it's beyond reason frog could be saving you if you have a better role or something. I have no idea how to explain frog's play!

VP, everyone in that hood was completely certain that andres was town and didn't find it suspicious or scum motivated andres was there at all or catboi was the diffuser. This was what started the tinfoil from the beginning. I think with a different group of players it could have gone very differently

[Frogsterking]

VP, everyone in that hood was completely certain that andres was town and didn't find it suspicious or scum motivated andres was there at all or catboi was the diffuser.

I don't get why no one would find those things suspicious. But still doesn't mean you kill obvtown catboi over it!

It's a bit too much tinfoil for me to believe you just went off the deep end there though and didn't realize what you were doing.

Well ..

That's fair

[Frogsterking]

LOL

[Frogsterking]

I guess the frog scum play here was to get catboi, a good player, into a vulnerable position and just kamikaze him? It's kind of silly, especially since frog was pretty widely town read yesterday. So, GL is probably right. maybe they thought andres wasn't going to cooperate with bomb solving or something, and then when everyone started to solve right away, frog just tried to do the dirty work. Doesn't explain why he wouldn't just give wrong directions though and not draw so much heat immediately.

If we assume that everyone is playing towards their wincon, there is no town explanation for

Frogsterking

’s actions. None at all. Zero.

If this was a new player, I could make an assumption that the necessity of saving

catboi

isn’t clear to them and that they could have been misled. But this player has been around for more than 10 years. Incompetence and misunderstanding are out of the question.

Oh okay, I'm starting to understand now why I death tunneled you guys. VOTE: Greeting

[Frogsterking]

I have a brain guilty on ceph.

and water is wet

if anything im enjoying your bad read on me this game, it suggests that you got lucky last time

This was never in question.


I'm not going to bother to devil's advocate Frogster. It's simply too much effort for very little reward.

Well, no one's stopping you LOL

[Frogsterking]

I have a brain guilty on ceph.

and water is wet

if anything im enjoying your bad read on me this game, it suggests that you got lucky last time

This was never in question.


I'm not going to bother to devil's advocate Frogster. It's simply too much effort for very little reward.

Well, no one's stopping you LOL

Actually there is a reward for you to townsend me here if only for my role and not my play. It's powerful enough to be helpful to town. If you townsend me I'll post less, it might save you later

[Frogsterking]

UNVOTE: Greeting

Okay fine, I'll claim my actual role similar to how catboi did, and you guys can show me if it was an easy mistake I made or if I'm really bad at reading TPR claims.

Here:

Yawn, your discussions bore me. None of this talk is relevant.

I am the Dats Inc. intel master

I have an undisclosable and extremely powerful ability that has something to do with bombs. My role is mech confirmable and I won't tell you how or what it does.

There is no town motivation for anyone to ever vote me ever because of my role as

intel master

.

Everyone on my wagon is hard outting as scum. The rest are trolls, and their only purpose in voting me is to confuse and annoy you.

Vote here first or hard out as scum or troll VOTE: CSF

nya

[Frogsterking]

All seven scum voting you?

You carried game, caught these bastards.

Sigh.

Four of them are scum, the other three are trolls, and their only purpose is to confuse and annoy you.

nya

[Frogsterking]

I'm outing as scum

Die

I dislike making these hard claims because they frequently fail to convince people, not because it takes any great amount of work or anything. In this case I guess people were willing to take advantage of me. Shrug.

[Frogsterking]

Cephir, I would not fault you for doing due diligence on me but your current approach feels like you're setting out with the intent of attacking me

[Frogsterking]

Why you killed Catboi for claiming IC, but consider scumclaim for voting you with claim something you can't even explain on death row?

shrug, if one of the experts is scum they were always going to fail their part of the instructions regardless of my role

[Frogsterking]

cephrir's approach to the claim is correct

if someone claims self resolving that they can't prove that's just a claim you always kill

[Okay. I understand this logic and I am responding to these similar concerns nearly identical to how catboi did in the PT thread last night. I will remain in catboi character for the rest of D2.]

[Frogsterking]

cephrir's approach to the claim is correct

if someone claims self resolving that they can't prove that's just a claim you always kill

cephrir's approach to the claim is correct

if someone claims self resolving that they can't prove that's just a claim you always kill

[Okay. I understand this logic and I am responding to these similar concerns nearly identical to how catboi did in the PT thread last night. I will remain in catboi character for the rest of D2.]

Anyway, I tire of this interaction. Here is the important thing:

I can successfully enable a defuser to defuse a bomb no matter how many other experts deliver the correct instructions.

If I'm scum, I get outed on day 5. So this isn't something I would ever fakeclaim. Ball's in your court, Mistyx.

[Frogsterking]

It's only confirmable if someone from defusing team just refuse to state instructions at all.

You're fear mongering. There is no town motivation for your obstinate reaction to the power of my role.

All other experts can deliver incorrect instructions on N4 and only I will deliver the correct instructions, and the defuser will still defuse the bomb successfully.

[Frogsterking]

actually couldn't you have confirmed this last night

Of course no, why save changeling.

Yes, my role is that if I successfully deliver correct instructions on a bomb the bomb will be defused . I didn't want it activated too soon, I wanted to hold off

[Frogsterking]

I am reasonably concerned at this point that you came into this topic with the intention of killing me and have been looking for justification to do so. What you are doing right now seems extremely unhelpful. If I can't be convinced you're acting in good faith, I'll assume you're scum outting and start solving around that.

[Frogsterking]

Of course no, why save changeling.

i for one am glad that frogster killed that changeling catboi who was about to win the game

but we can't trust frogster just because he yeeted the changeling

he could also be another changeling

it would explain why he saw thru catboi's clever lies when the rest of us could not

[ lmao ]

[Frogsterking]

Just give a solve Frog.
and then go spam in the dead thread or whatever.

[CSF, VP, Guilty Lion, andres]

[Frogsterking]

Did the other 3 players in your hood say not to kill him?

[Of course, that's why they're pissed. I was verrrrry deep inside my tinfoil.]

[Frogsterking]

[my headspace was in a dark place you don't want to see]

[Frogsterking]

I guess my role has a second half I didn't think was useful to out because I figured I would never get to use it if I outted it. If I'm the one defusing a bomb it takes two incorrect solves for me to be unsuccessful.

[Frogsterking]

[okay I checked that's 100% everything in my role. Self clearing on D5, difficult to kill, kinda a protective in the end game]

[Frogsterking]

I guess my role has a second half I didn't think was useful to out because I figured I would never get to use it if I outted it. If I'm the one defusing a bomb it takes two incorrect solves for me to be unsuccessful.

Makes sense. Still think forthcoming would be better. But the action is just - town. You don't ignore a bunch of other players and vig someone. Esp. When they say stuff like "I'm an IC, actually"

Would have been confirmable next day and there was nothing to lose.

[I know. I don't know how to tell when I'm tinfoiling and when I'm not. I'm sorry.]

[Frogsterking]

VOTE: andres

[Frogsterking]

[Frogsterking]

[mala,guilty lion, andres, mistyx]

[Frogsterking]

Cause being wrong on Fire when sheeping Bell screaming into the void makes me scum

But being right on Frogs on a push

I started and formulated

makes me scum. Fucking hell

Okay now it's starting to look like overacting a little bit. Where was my solve

[Dwlee,guiltylion, andres,mistyx]

[Frogsterking]

I'm LAUGHING so hard at frogster's claim... "all I have to do is live till day 5 to prove myself!!" you had no care about catboi living till D2 to prove himself... so why would you have till d5??

This being pretty much my exact reaction to catboi's claim.

Read my flip and weep

[Frogsterking]

[GuiltyLion,Dwlee,CSF, andres OR VP]

[Frogsterking]

If this is multiball then I read Ceph as wolf

[Frogsterking]

I'm LAUGHING so hard at frogster's claim... "all I have to do is live till day 5 to prove myself!!" you had no care about catboi living till D2 to prove himself... so why would you have till d5??

This being pretty much my exact reaction to catboi's claim.

Read my flip and weep

[Frogsterking]

Yes you will be.

Also make sure that dwlee dies, they're over acting right now

[Frogsterking]

If this is multiball then I read Ceph as wolf

AWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

AWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Frogsterking]

Cause being wrong on Fire when sheeping Bell screaming into the void makes me scum

But being right on Frogs on a push

I started and formulated

makes me scum. Fucking hell

Also make sure that dwlee dies, they're over acting right now

Get this guy outta here after my flip, he's tipping his hand, he knows what I'm about to flip.

[Frogsterking]

VOTE: Dwlee

Scum

[Frogsterking]

Get this person outta here after my flip, they're tipping their hand, they know what I'm about to flip.

Fixed.

My bad, Dwlee, sorry.

[Frogsterking]

I'll side with andres here, if I flip scum, andres is 99% cleared from being scum.

[Frogsterking]

I think I know what this whole deal was about.

Frogsterking

slipped through into our group without any machinations, but wanted to keep the townreads he gained Day 1. But the scums also wanted to get rid of

catboi

and blame it on a townie.

Andresvmb

got inserted into our group as a result of scum action. I have no doubts about it, because putting him of all players into the group of the most widely townread players while kicking

catboi

into the bomb defuser seat was definitely not meant to benefit town. It became apparent to me,

catboi

and

Andante

instantly that it seems extremely improbable that

Andresvmb

is scum and gets pushed in as bomb defuser like that.

The original plan was probably to have the group go as normal, with

Frogsterking

providing a wrong solution, and when the bomb exploded blame it on

Andresvmb

. But when

Frogsterking

realised we're not buying this, he chose to improvise. And the improvisation was to confuse everyone, which basically resulted in him outing himself as scum.

The problem with this theory is that it gives me WAY too much credit