KTaNE [game over!]

[Bell]

I don't really have an issue with Andre being blowed up tbh.
Just make sure you submit the paperwork in a timely fashion.

@Frogster, I'm embarrassed by proximity to you.

[Bell]

I've been hammered.

[Bell]

Andre is a murderer.

[Bell]

Hey, you need to pay me royalties if you use that argument.

[Bell]

I wonder if the scum team are coaching each other a lot.
I didn't really expect Andresvmb to start aping my exact attitude toward being run up. Mostly because I feel we're very different people and he always seems serious minded under a thin veneer of humor. So hearing him make an argument like that unironically is...a revelation. In a sense.

[Bell]

Also, Pooky going missing makes me paranoid.

[Bell]

I'm probably town reading Andre now.
No, don't try to follow my reasoning ,your brain will split down the middle and your head will fall off.

[Bell]

Andres is just scum, right

Because this is pretty frustrating as far as mafia interactions go lol

Tbh, probably not. I am genuinely town reading them for unbelievably stupid reasons.
As Syrana might say, "I'm in this picture, and I don't like it".

[Bell]

Please Kill fire with fire.
ttfn.

[Bell]

Andres is just scum, right

Because this is pretty frustrating as far as mafia interactions go lol

CSF you need to back me up on Andres+Fire+Ceph+Bell being scum or very stupid town lol

Everyone just says I'm tinfoiling when I say it, but now you see what I mean, it's very frustrating and they are legitimately full of shit

I find it difficult to believe that you think I'm scum partners with fire.

[Bell]

Because only townspeople say that they're not scum because they're town.

[Bell]

Scum them know that's an incredibly stupid argument and so they don't make it because it gets them nowhere.
But spiteful, contemptuous town that thinks you're an idiot because you're objectively wrong from their point of view?
Yeah, I can see it.

[Bell]

ok eh i changed my mind again I think it's more likely scum are taking advantage of frog here to push this

VOTE: misty

Did Andres' recent posts ring as towny to you?

Lol omg CSF the solve is fire + andres + Bell + Ceph or very close to it. They are just spewing. They can't lose andres because of the theme so they're going all out to gaslight people into not voting andres.

@CSF: I can't really imagine Andre making that argument as either alignment. Because they sound so level headed. I already said this I think. But then I thought about Andre some more and about how the players I tend to dislike the most are those that tend to be very similar to me. So I was just like, "eh, if they're similar to me, maybe that's why they posted the post I make when people accuse me of being scum as town"

Other insane theory was that somebody coached Andre from left field to say that because they'd knew it might make me 180. But that's implausible because nobody gives enough of a shit to meta me and try to manipulation me specifically.

Which leaves me with ???

[Bell]

can someone who isn't me tell frog that he seriously needs to chill and have like even an ounce of humility when it comes to his own opinions for there to be any hope of town winning this

because he will ignore it if it comes from me. and probably from anyone else but it's worth a try

What if they're scum though.
Then the joke's on us.

[Bell]

I think you triggered Cephrir, Froggy.

[Bell]

I'll have you know that one of the easiest ways to hurt my feelings is to insult my intelligence because I am deeply insecure and in denial about my limited intellect. I should write an essay on it on a word pad and then delete it one day.

But I don't have to worry about that because it's sort of hard to take them seriously if they're going to call me dumb while simultaneously being wrong on my alignment.

[Bell]

I dunno where Pooky went though and that annoys me. Though, based on his contempt for these sorts of game states based on Pokemon deleted posts in their scum QT, I could see them avoiding the game as either alignment really.

[Bell]

I cannot even tell you how great it is to be automatically vindicated by my role PM tbh

You don't have to, I know the feeling well.
Though, this is a cheap manipulation if you're scum this game. *hiss*

[Bell]

id be avoiding the thread too if i were a sane person

Pooky isn't a sane person tho.

[Bell]

What fuck did you guys smoke tonight lmao

Midnight oil.
I'm gunna go to bed now.
Later.

[Bell]

#2000

vc here when i'm done with my exam

Good luck

[Bell]

Why are there 17 pages

[Bell]

I have a brain guilty on ceph.

[Bell]

How come nobody got nked

[Bell]

Also can someone give me a summary. There are a lot of walls.

[Bell]

Why did they kill him when catboi was obvious town though.

[Bell]

They weren’t even in the murder pile. Also, why did frog admit to blowing them
Up.

[Bell]

I am annoyed enough at frog to kill them for this.

[Bell]

I have a brain guilty on ceph.

and water is wet

if anything im enjoying your bad read on me this game, it suggests that you got lucky last time

This was never in question.


I'm not going to bother to devil's advocate Frogster. It's simply too much effort for very little reward.

[Bell]

UNVOTE: Greeting

Okay fine, I'll claim my actual role similar to how catboi did, and you guys can show me if it was an easy mistake I made or if I'm really bad at reading TPR claims.

Here:

Yawn, your discussions bore me. None of this talk is relevant.

I am the Dats Inc. intel master

I have an undisclosable and extremely powerful ability that has something to do with bombs. My role is mech confirmable and I won't tell you how or what it does.

There is no town motivation for anyone to ever vote me ever because of my role as

intel master

.

Everyone on my wagon is hard outting as scum. The rest are trolls, and their only purpose in voting me is to confuse and annoy you.

Vote here first or hard out as scum or troll VOTE: CSF

nya

Amateur hour if scum.

[Bell]

I don't see a problem with their role claim.
For scum it's a relatively broken, bullshit ability.
For town, it's meh to all right. It has more flexibility and requires more imagination for town than scum.

[Bell]

I am, very dissatisfied with how they chose to claim. They slow walked it and when you fuck up you should be forth coming immediately. This seems a slow pull which is in direct contradiction to how they admitted Catboi got blowed up by them.

It's very ??? when I don't see a reason for either alignment for them to do that.

[Bell]

if we actually decided to let this dude get to day 5 and he blew up another person i would have to delete my account in shame

You've put up with worse.

[Bell]

There's a pirate hat on there.

[Bell]

Of course no, why save changeling.

i for one am glad that frogster killed that changeling catboi who was about to win the game

but we can't trust frogster just because he yeeted the changeling

he could also be another changeling

it would explain why he saw thru catboi's clever lies when the rest of us could not

[ lmao ]

Is this some weird signal.

[Bell]

yea he's giving me the green light to bus him you got us dude

This wasn't directed toward you and you know, I know that they'd just post it in the scum PT.

[Bell]

I did laugh at 2525 and 2526. But remember, I have a fragile ego when my brilliant mind is questioned.

*ignores dumpster fire from the previous elimination that I was at least 60% responsible for, not to mention all the other things I said only to be horrifically wrong*

[Bell]

Just give a solve Frog.
and then go spam in the dead thread or whatever.

[Bell]

Did the other 3 players in your hood say not to kill him?

[Bell]

I guess my role has a second half I didn't think was useful to out because I figured I would never get to use it if I outted it. If I'm the one defusing a bomb it takes two incorrect solves for me to be unsuccessful.

Makes sense. Still think forthcoming would be better. But the action is just - town. You don't ignore a bunch of other players and vig someone. Esp. When they say stuff like "I'm an IC, actually"

[Bell]

Would have been confirmable next day and there was nothing to lose.

[Bell]

I don’t know if all of catboi’s reads have been expressed into this thread, but they felt that Bell had to be Town because despite being wrong about Lukewarm, they aren’t usually that aggressive in pushing an execution as Scum. Apparently Bell is not a very confident Scum player, and pushing a Townie like that wouldn’t be something that catboi would have expected from them. There might have been some growth in their Scum game, but clearly there wasn’t as much aggression in Shakespeare U-Pick from them, so this would deviate from that. catboi also argued that Bell being upset at Frogsterking trying to heal Enchant was more in like with a Town thought process given how inconsequential one Heal vote can be. It was probably just a level of concern about the game and the outcome of it that was difficult to fake as Scum. 488 and 605 are also probably not how Bell would have addressed a Partner. 944, 946, 948 and 951 also probably point to Bell not being partnered with Frog under most circumstances.

>.> he’s correct.

[Bell]

Has everyone had a chance to post?

[Bell]

Though, even if frog flips town I’m still town.

[Bell]

I’ll hold off on voting frog at work. Somebody else coordinate so that andres gets their hammer. On maybe town frog that I just can’t defend.

I don’t have much to say about the greeting disagreement. Since there are no details and greeting and I aren’t really or haven’t really engaged yet.

[Bell]

I also noted that I wouldn’t have needed to claim to get me through yesterday, and then make myself a target by swapping myself into the PT. As a strategic decision, attracting heat when I had weathered the storm yesterday and gotten a claim out (if I were Scum) didn’t seem sensible, but you all have to judge that.

Could've just been giving up and taking down catboi before frog's sick plays made you not need to.

Idk if I buy your role and fire's together given scum already have like 3/4 of a nightkill.

Just no haha if Frog flips Scum, I never have to “just give up”. Like that’s not an intelligent play. You’re arguing I saw that my Scum buddy Frog was voted in as Expert, but then I absolutely had to swap myself in instead of catboi so that they could get nominated and exploded. But unless you’re arguing that I have a role that specifically forces me to swap myself with someone else, I never do that. We could have simply exploded a different Town player (someone perhaps not as obviously Town as catboi), and then not just out a member of the Team by having them act like a complete idiot by ignoring an IC claim and blowing that player up.

Like I never have to be swapped in there as Scum, if Frog is Scum, unless I have a desperate need to blow catboi up and why?! They were defending me! It just doesn’t make sense.

I'm not arguing any of this - I think frog is flipping town as I have said multiple times

If he doesn't, that changes things

I can’t imagine a world where Frog flips Town. I have seen bad Town play. This isn’t it. This is active sabotage. It’s the sort of play that I find so offensive if it were coming from Town that I couldn’t possibly take them seriously ever again. It’s that sort of thing. Like I would hard ignore them forever if they were Town here and acting this way. Seriously no reason to take any of their views seriously ever if this is the sort of Town play that can be expected from them. It’s so devoid of reason, it cannot be even remotely thought of as occurring in good faith. Their posts in the Bomb Expert PT are so beyond the pale, I can’t see them ever flipping Town. If they do, it’ll be so hard to swallow for me.

I'm genuinely hoping you're right. I don't want to think such poor town play exists on this site

Second half of sentence is sus.

Pedit: I can hammer the dude, but Andre asked for it and I see no reason to be impolite.

Mala, yeah.

[Bell]

I’m busy at work.
Just thought I’d say hi.


Hi.

[Bell]

I am still at work and thus I cannot post anything but the fact I am at work. Because I am a hard working and good employee.

[Bell]

I do not like people’s posts this day phase so far though.

[Bell]

I do not like people’s posts this day phase so far though.

Whose?

Everyone’s all of them.

[Bell]

Now wait just a minute *rises finger*
I- *can't think of anything to say to object to this besides let them claim first*

[Bell]

I'm off work now.
Ceprir, isn't that like, exactly what the scum team is hoping for if Baltar is town. Just keep playing up the paranoia until town can't ignore it anymore. There should be other solutions than "Oh they went three times, guess we gotta kill them just in case!"

@GL: I did not put Misty in that solution. As for the rest, I still just think your play is disappointing this game if you're town *shrug*

[Bell]

Someone please shoot Pooky.

[Bell]

I wonder whether getting a free misty elim would even be worth it to bell or GL since it confirms one of them as scum and misty elim seems pretty achievable anyway.

I suppose we could always outwifom the wifomers and randomly bet the game on VP town. That would be kinda funny.

This is why nothing happened and it was my opinion nothing would happen. I pretty much said that. I didn't immediately give instructions because Datasi took hours to message me back just to make sure my interpretation of my instructions were correct so I didn't blow up VP accidentally. It's okay. I'm patient. *taps foot*

[Bell]

That said, I want to turbo pound Andres.

Why Andres?

He was run up D1 and claimed a protective similar to the one that flipped.

He knew I was catching up and deliberately hammered before I finished

.

Because he knew that once you finally caught up you would derail the elimination on frog and kill the true culprit, Andres?
Because I really don't think that would have happened and don't know why you think that would. Nor did other players (I hope) fail to notice that.

Also, have no idea why Andres protected Pooky, nor why Pooky actually thinks they were protected. I don't even understand the mechanics well enough to understand what they're trying to sell me.

[Bell]

VOTE: mala

That was entertaining, let's lim scum now ty

Lolnope

Please halp if town.

[Bell]

Reading mala’s iso makes me sad.

[Bell]

Stop pushing Baltar and investigate them instead.

[Bell]

Solved issue is solved.
Next issue in the agenda:

[Bell]

Someone needs to explain why VP bal shouldn’t just be investigated before anyone makes the argument they should be eliminated instead.

[Bell]

HEAL: Titus

VOTE: Dwlee

[Bell]

Enchant, you need to show that you’re town very soon for me.
So does Pooky.

[Bell]

HEAL: Titus

VOTE: Dwlee

Wtf is this post

Nah. You’re playing like scum.

[Bell]

Your embittered asides feel very tongue in cheek to me.

[Bell]

Iunno, you’re weird.
I kill the weird people.
Normies forever.

[Bell]

Too bad that doesn't make me scum

Does it make you town?

[Bell]

Maybe you'd win more if you limmed people that were opposite alignments from you

Sadly that might be what you're going for now

Can you reword this part. Because I dunno how it’s sad if Bell scum tries to elim Dwlee town or bell town tries to lim dwlee scum.

[Bell]

How does town!bell come in here and heal TITUS, ignore any discussions about mala/vpb, and vote me. Real big thinker here. Maybe we aren't dealing with town!bell sad face

How does being condescending help you.
Also, I haven’t ignored either conversation and I’m confused why you think I have given the posts I’ve made this day phase.

If you’re mad because I healed Titus when you’ve inexplicably started pushing for a bomb advisor position, I dunno. You didn’t seem interested in it before.

[Bell]

It's sad if you're scum ; (

I’d be pretty proud of myself if this were my scum game tbh.

[Bell]

You sound frustrated, but I dunno what you’re frustrated about or why.

[Bell]

It's sad if you're scum ; (

Am I bussing you

[Bell]

I’m confused now.

[Bell]

Like Bell you got your preferred lim both days and were an expert and now you're trying to lim me because you think it's weird I want to be an expert? I don't get it

And you think Titus is qualified to be an expert because why? What has she done that's townie?

Relaxed Titus is town Titus to me and I have like 4 options to choose from.
Imo, imo, it’s just better for town to control who dies than scum. Though, I don’t really think frogster was my preferred lim. Also, this game definitely isn’t a my turn now it’s your turn type of game and I don’t know why you’re trying to say otherwise. But please don’t answer that question. It’s not one I wanna know the answer to, rn.

[Bell]

Also Oi, are you really going to make the argument that it’s my fault you didn’t read my posts this day phase. Because that sounds needlessly stubborn and agendaish.

On the other hand, apparently you’ve wanted to be an expert day 1 and day 2 and I didn’t read that. So sorry, though I don’t think me knowing that would have changed who I voted for much.

[Bell]

Wait, why was day 1 a total shitshow from your point of view.

[Bell]

Tired: Letting Bell be a town leader

Wired: Andres and Titus posting literally anything.

HEAL: strangematter

*shrug* I’m not trying to be a town leader.

[Bell]

Can’t argue with this, though, I still think Andres is town.

[Bell]

Enchant, you take the reins of leadership by force and fisticuffs.
Not by permission.

[Bell]

Goddamn, enchant, give some reads or something.

[Bell]

I protected Bell. I trusted catboi’s analysis basically.

The fuck. Nobody kills Bell.

[Bell]

Goddamn, enchant, give some reads or something.

On who you want my mind.

Is your mind not already on somebody, because that’s basic scum hunting 101.

[Bell]

@dwlee, as the enchant reader is this dude still town.

[Bell]

Uh. As half this player list will tel you I’m basically impossible to get rid of when I’m town by wagon.
I’ve read at least 4 or 5 of these people saying some combination of “Bell is annoying”

But I do not think it’s my time yet, or rather I wouldn’t expect to be killed off N2.
Usually I die N3 or N4.

If you haven’t noticed nobody has directly voted me (I think?).

[Bell]

My narcissism is showing.

[Bell]

Greeting are you ever going to address or have you already addressed the “why not just investigate baltar” question?

[Bell]

Like, that post was specifically aimed at you.

[Bell]

Also at work gtg. Ilu game even though you don’t love me back by giving me glory.

[Bell]

Yes andres, who was a few votes away from being eliminated claimed doctor unprompted.
Good point enchant *thumbs up*

[Bell]

UNVOTE:

[Bell]

Work bbl.

[Bell]

if you want my actual insight

bell town
confused about why everyone kept mentioning waiting for titus input earlier then entirely ignored her andres push? probably slightly scum indicative for andres

gth i would say the vote dump on mala includes a bus

There's nothing in Mistyx's ISO that would explain that vote on me aside from maybe this post, which is a weird thing to post while noticeably not voting for mala

Is it a weird post, it's pretty obvious from my point of view that if Mala is scum that yes, scum are bussing them.
I'm just not very confident they're bussing at all and not just using their numbers to push through an easy win.

[Bell]

Does anyone have insight as to whether Dwlee is AtEing scum or aTeing town.
I can never tell.
I miss Peta. They'd know.
Do you know what's funny.

Peta = Catboi.
PETA = CAT
It makes sense if you don't think about it.

um. I got lost. Right.
Pooky, you can channel the fake rage.
What say you?

[Bell]

Malaballa,
in general I've never seen you get run up before. I think one of your strengths is being town read and aggro.
Not seeing that here. Don't know what to make of it, don't remember playing with scum you. Don't know if scum you would ever even post like this given it's gunna get you dead.
Dunno why town you would post like this because it's gunna get you dead too.

????

[Bell]

if you want my actual insight

bell town
confused about why everyone kept mentioning waiting for titus input earlier then entirely ignored her andres push? probably slightly scum indicative for andres

gth i would say the vote dump on mala includes a bus

There's nothing in Mistyx's ISO that would explain that vote on me aside from maybe this post, which is a weird thing to post while noticeably not voting for mala

Is it a weird post, it's pretty obvious from my point of view that if Mala is scum that yes, scum are bussing them.
I'm just not very confident they're bussing at all and not just using their numbers to push through an easy win.

But why say it's a bus and then not vote mala?

I dunno, why don't I vote everyone I shade or suspect as I say it.

[Bell]

Eh, I'm going to refrain from getting up in your grill. Keep pushing Kitty. You'll make a salmon burger one day.

[Bell]

dwlee I've been leaning town but not very confident tho

pedit: ok but there was a wagon on mala?

That leaves me standing here, but thanks for commenting.
I don't think the existence of a wagon+shade means you have to vote either. I don't vote people for reasons, but I don't think it's wrong to dig to see if there's reluctance and if there's a reason for that reluctance of if it's just a playstyle thing.

[Bell]

This is a correct interpretation of the game state and also explains some of my posts this day phase that show clear frustration towards players that fall into that group.

[Bell]

I drink liquids every day.

[Bell]

Hard against Andres wagon

[Bell]

You will go down further in my lim pool if you try to kill there. We have some critically bad slots/dead weight this game.
They need to go way before Andre’s is even considered.

[Bell]

Titus has entirely lost me but whenever they make insane pushes that usually means they’re town.

[Bell]

Dwlee, Strange, Titus, Mala ... and 2 from this.. this is basically like the yeet pool for today lol well first 2 of yall to tell me you wouldn't let me go BOOM if I had the bomb get my heal, and I'll yeet in the other 2

Strange is tie.
Tttys us scum

Dwlee is misguided


BOOKFUCUERSMOBOOMBOMM

is this like drunk scum antispew

What does this mean? don't know what antispew is.

[Bell]

Sigh

[Bell]

Well, it could have been a lot worse.

[Bell]

I mean, I don't have a lot of hope of turning this game around without doing something devastatingly selfish.
Which I won't do. So probably going to close my eyes and try to ram your wagon through on the precept that eventually the anti-town folk will turn out to be actually anti-town at some point.
Path of least resistance says to murder you.

[Bell]

Please full claim enchant.

Thanks.

[Bell]

Pretty sure Pooky is scum at this point unless someone has a direct inno on them.
They're pretty much always where the scum aren't this game.

[Bell]

They're pretty much always where the scum aren't this game.

What does that mean?

They're voting exclusively town with brain dead vote parks and about as much flexibility as an iceberg.

[Bell]

Uh, assuming Mala is about to flip town.

[Bell]

we had a wagon on mala for like a week and she did absolutely fuck-all and there wasn't really any other viable things pop up so its pretty funny all these people suddenly popping up like they didnt want this to go thru

Impossible to argue this. Because it’s true and I didn’t defend Mala because they weren’t doing anything.
One vote shift that bought you a VPbaltar TR does not a flexible game make.
And also, quick hammers.
And also, there are a lot of viable wagons this game so that doesn’t make sense to me.
It’s true I’m making a “only the results matter” post, but like, my point stands.
And Baltar is *probably* town so the point of you only voting town also still stands.

Uh, assuming mala flips town.

[Bell]

I kinda still think this is flipping scum? how would Mala know a track result is town pr and not scum pr / thwarted NK?

You know what the worst thing is, for Pooky especially.
Is that I’ll probably just flip the table and be like POOKY WAS BUSSING MALA1011101.
And even I think that’s annoying but also true.
Myb. Like I was uncomfortable with the mala wagon because of all the people I was suspecting being on it.
And since there was nothing to defend for mala, it made sense for there to be bussing, but I wasn’t confident in that given the vote pool.

[Bell]

DO NOT FALL FOR THEIR REFUGE IN AUDACITY SHENANIGANS

*thousand yard stare*

[Bell]

Here's what I suspect. Andres was put in to ensure Catboi died and scum played up and pushed Frog's buttons to implode. That nets dead obvtown a miselimination and heat off Andres for a necessary death.

This is, to put it bluntly, completely absurd.

Frogsterking decided to go full anti-Town because they suspected catboi and pretty much everyone else in the PT. I don’t have to be switched into the PT for Frog to act in the way that they did. And even if you think that the switch was needed to guarantee that, why don’t you ask the other members of the PT whether I acted in a way that would have triggered Frog, or pushed them towards the wrong conclusion? You’re making assumptions to build a case against me, when instead you could, you know, ask questions and get responses so that you don’t end up making the flimsiest case ever.

I give you more credit than this, so I’ll just slot you as Scum and move on.

VOTE: MalaKittens

What is this.

[Bell]

Page flop!
*flops*

[Bell]

I don't get why Andre pointed at Titus and called them scum and then voted Mala and enchant voted Mala right after. Why didn't Enchant ask Mala to claim instead?
It's a gross series of events. Even for Andre-rose tinted glasses.

[Bell]

Why didn't you tell me that earlier.
You were the designated enchant reader.

This is like hiring a meteorologist and when it starts to drizzle they announce that it is going to rain.

[Bell]

I suppose the where there's life there's hope thing kicks in, is that I'm not sure Mala who I associate with kitten aggro and spite would TR enchant after getting blind hammered and not even giving enchant shit for it.

[Bell]

K, I'm spiraling into multiple universes and interpretations depending on what Mala flips and who is pretending they don't know what she's going to flip versus those that do.
That's kind of pointless.

Sure, to complete Pooky's prophecy I'll state that you're both right.

[Bell]

And that's why I did it Pooky.
That's why I did it.

[Bell]

Sure.

[Bell]

Lol I finally get around to sorting greeting correctly and then they immediately die.
I guess this means Andre really did protect me.

[Bell]

Kay, so nobody said outright they were going to kill Andre? Dwlee submitted twice.
Who submitted in what order.
What was the ratio of player’s posts in the chat?

[Bell]

Try to avoid getting mod killed while answering those if you please

[Bell]

After thinking about it for 0.83 seconds I have decided that it was one of dwlee or SM.
And vp is town still.

[Bell]

No shit you talked the most lol.

[Bell]

You should probably vote dwlee. If you’re town SM.

[Bell]

I think if I was scum here and wanted to kill Andres I would have just... done that. And not even submitted info. I already had stated reason enough in the bomb squad anyway to not solve the bomb (I felt like if we solved it then we would have to lim VPB and I didn't want to do that). Strange had literally no progression during the night phase. I was actually a little skeeved out by how when I chose to give info both strange and vpb pretty much immediately followed

Yes, I'm sure we would have been very understanding when Andre's flipped doc and wouldn't have blamed you at all.

[Bell]

You're all silly then.

[Bell]

You don't have to do anything this is the univeral rule of life.
You Don't wanna,
you don't gotta.

[Bell]

I'd like to be an expert tonight. I feel that's the only way I'll be able to catch up. I don't get the dichotomy but I feel I will with the opportunity to post with the guaranteed ability to not be interrupted.

You're not going to be saying anything about your andre misread?

[Bell]

Probably not, yeah.

[Bell]

Uh, the idea that Mala wasn't bussed hard is foreign to me.
They had nothing to defend. Scum would be uncomfortable doing anything other than voting them for risk of being called out themselves. That was a wagon that is simply impossible to derail. So all you'd get by trying to save them is suspicion.

[Bell]

I feel like I'm on the moon again, because I don't remember Andre doing anything anti-town this game and his role claim was real on flip.

[Bell]

Someone said SM was being TMI with the accusation that scum must be bussing, GL said it I think.

[Bell]

Cephrir in Bell land, I can't imagine a scenario where informed role Mala wasn't telling their buddies to bus them to death in the scum PT because they had stuff to deal with and they were being dead weight.
Might as well get something out of it.

But sure, if the scum team had someone particularly charismatic and was willing to ignore Mala, sure. They could have derailed it I guess. That didn't happen though. Nobody successfully derailed it, there was some movements to other players, but they floundered.

[Bell]

I appreciate Dwlee trying now that there is actual pressure on them.

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Everybody forgot the 3rd possibility.
Dwlee and SM are both scum. Gotcha

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I think you or SM is scum.

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Pretty sure the scum team just got fed up with Andre blocking their kills.

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Though, still not confident on Pooky. They automatically assumed scum tried to kill them N1, but they should have been aware enough of the set up to know that it wasn't necessarily the case that mafia submitted a kill.
Did we ever find out if mafia even could submit a kill N1, assuming given what we know about Catboi.

My set up understanding is garbage.

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GB Inc. infiltrators do not have a factional nightkill every night. they start off with one nightkill. for every two successful bomb defusals performed by a DATS Inc. employee, they gain one nightkill. for every successful bomb defusal performed by a GB Inc. infiltrator, they gain one nightkill.

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So the mafia could submit an NK, but they didn't have to, if VP baltar is town they couldn't have gone for two. They had one shot and it sounds like they could use it whenever they'd like.
Didn't see much from Pooky day 1 that would instigate a shot there.

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I think greeting is a pretty reasonable "just obvtown" kill so not super concerned about andante for that

+1

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I think you mean the opposite of what you're saying,

I.e, Dwlee first decided to spare before getting yelled at in the scum PT and changing their answer.

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I think you mean the opposite of what you're saying,

I.e, Dwlee first decided to spare before getting yelled at in the scum PT and changing their answer.

Either is kinda tinfoily anyways, but I still meant that.

Still I'm thinking and it has to be at least one of us, and I know it wasn't me who gave the wrong information.

I already addressed why strange could verify I didn't do that. Or at least verify to a high degree of certainty. For example, if my first label was "elephant" and then the description of the button I tell Andres to push is "animal with a trunk" then clearly my answer didn't change between my first submit and second submit

If this were the case then why did you submit it twice Datasi would have just said your first submit was fine as is.

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I didn't ask until this day phase if mine was correct lol

Was it?

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If you didn’t believe there was a difference and you didn’t ask datasi why did you make a second submission?

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what's your point?

Your reads are bad this game and you should let people who have caught mafia so far run the show.

You're trying to bullshit through something today on questionable info, and it is silly to try and distract from a wagon that is more likely to hit scum.

You can spam post and caps lock to your heart's content, but the facts are on my side here.

Nobody caught malakittens this game.

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I do agree with Dwlee that for the most part SM is getting rolled by dwlee in terms of arguments and it’s strange that strange would have the confidence to go 1v1 with dwlee, (but some people have tried to move it into baltar so who knows what they were trying to do), but dwlee wasn’t trying as hard.
I lost track of my own thoughts.

Point being is that, yes, in terms of activity, SM would be at a disadvantage so it would be strange for them to blow up andre’s.
Since you know, the scum team would probably know that.

On the other hand, yeah. They planned to murder andre’s from the get go that night phase. And they had a limited number of people to choose from. There were like, 5 people.

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well at least i can stop worrying about andante's alignment again

An ‘I’m town thinking out loud post. ‘

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This one is for pooky.

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Mistyx is literally mafia

Okay.

@dwlee, you’re excused.

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Nope. Mala wasn’t trying. She basically died because she couldn’t be assed to try.
This would be like bragging that you caught enchant scum or Bell-Scum.

You don’t get points for that.

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Not to mention absolutely nobody defended Mala directly so by…your own egotistical way of seeing the world everybody caught mala scum including the scum team.

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Yup. This was a worthwhile aside that is highly constructive.

Anyway. If andante has a guilty on Misty we should probably go there instead of coin flipping.

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They just said Mistyx is literally scum. If they’re literally scum than they have a guilty or they’re choosing their words poorly.

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If no guilty, want to lim in hood because numbers > annoyance with a player for being uncooperative for seemingly no reason.

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Okay, maybe there is a reason.
Ignore me, I’m tired.

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I do agree with cephrir that andate is town if andante is choosing their words poorly and rage posting.
Their rage posting looks more realistic than SM’s rage posting.

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You’re just salty that you got caught CSF.

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I would like a claim from SM yeah.

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What kind of VT?

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Is Dwlee scum SM.
Pretend for a moment that Balt doesn’t exist.
Is dwlee scum?

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Okay so in a world where Balt doesn’t exist you’re doubting your own alignment.

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That’s very philosophical of you.

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Thanks enchant.

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But I asked you for a world where Baltar doesn’t exist.

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I don't feel good at how easy it is to eliminate SM. But that's all I got.
Their emotions seem a little off.
Their hestiation and doubt also seems a little. Compare Dwlee's check of Baltar before going for SM compared to the other way around.
I don't think the third on the wagon thing is much of anything. Because that's more of a silly thing than something you scum read someone else for.

What is Baltar doing here btw, rather, which one does he think is scum?

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Also, did Cephrir ever make an argument as to why Baltar killing Andre was advantageous for scum them beyon just "hey Baltar is the most active and hasn't made any obvious mistakes and they're he least suspected of the three going in"

Or was that all?

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I don't read. Reading is for losers.

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Learning how to survive as either alignment is a skill too.

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Learning how to survive as either alignment is a skill too.

Do you think I haven't tried learning that past? Do you know how much its actually worked? Never. Not. Once. It doesn't matter anymore.

Don't be silly.

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Why not just flip VP first, you could probably argue everyone in both hoods was town if VP flipped town, but I don't see a world in which VP flipstown

Why is VP scum?

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also, and this part is key, i might die before i have to solve it

charming.

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Here to ruin Datasi's day.

Report me for bullying.

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Aw.
I'm embarrassed now.
*walks off*

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Why not just flip VP first, you could probably argue everyone in both hoods was town if VP flipped town, but I don't see a world in which VP flipstown

Why is VP scum?

VP isn't town.

Why is VP not town here, there's no third party in the game, I think, right?

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We get that Andante, but there are 2 other scum in the game.

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Why didn't you track or check Baltar if you're suspicious of them?

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

mistyx's town game isn't as worthless as the one they are playing here

I just skimmed that iso and I'm confused why you think they're different.

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Andante is chasing their tail irl. That's the only explanation for all 180s and 360s they made within the last 10 minutes.

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Okay that one was pretty ew yeah.

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I think that was just scummy from Mistyx, tbh.

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There aren't a lot of ways to interpret that other than "this is awkward, everyone is bussing my scum buddy"

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With maybe a bit of "this isn't going according to plan"
But I dunno what the scum team's plan is, so.

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See you all in dead chat.

Keep an eye on interactions around my slot because it’s usually telling.

Wait I miscounted, nevermind.

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VOTE: StrangeMatters

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Take care SM.

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HEAL: Pooky
HEAL: cephrir

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I won’t, but please do heed that advice.

Also I miscount a lot.

Sure

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Good night enchant.

Who do we want as third for defuser?
Andante said they didn’t want it.

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I got triggered by their misvotecounting ways.

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Why isn’t pooky voting dwlee anyway.

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Makes sense to me dwlee.

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I think it’s a plausible explanation from a town you perspective.
I just don’t agree with it much if at all.

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Andante is the frogster apprentice.

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I think it’s a plausible explanation from a town you perspective.
I just don’t agree with it much if at all.

Okay so you still think strange is flipping scum?

Probably, yeah. Came in this day phase ready to kill you, but meh. Here we are.
I didn’t feel too good about it until just a few minutes ago though.

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Andante is the frogster apprentice.

I do not appreciate that comparison

Then stop throwing Grenades.

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I’m in no actual rush though. Feel free to talk.

UNVOTE:

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They got the vote count wrong and wrote a death post. that goes against my religion. All heretics must be vanquished.

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They got the vote count wrong and wrote a death post. that goes against my religion. All heretics must be vanquished.

I've done it as town before. On a site with a thing that automatically locks thread on hammers.

I go with the numbers. I’m aware it happens as either alignment. But it upticked scum them for me.