KTaNE [game over!]

[Cephrir]

HEAL: fireisredsir

Slight Lean Town
{Lukewarm, StrangeMatter, Titus, Andante}

right, so who are the 5?

CSF, Frog, fire (they’ve now gone back on it), Bell (also have largely retracted their SR), VPB. Off the top of my head. Menalque to some extent too.

VOTE: fire

wow this is terrible

[Cephrir]

mena's vote makes sense, he suspected the slot all day and i already think mena is town from pt stuff

having a decent trajectory isn't clearing or anything but it's better than not having one

[Cephrir]

Iunno, you’re weird.
I kill the weird people.
Normies forever.

it all makes sense now

[Cephrir]

HEAL: dwlee
HEAL: strangematter

[Cephrir]

why are we splitting up this perfectly good mala wagon

[Cephrir]

why are we splitting up this perfectly good mala wagon

Post or die. Those are the rules.

I agree. Did mala post anything useful?

[Cephrir]

I assure you that mala is a more than capable town player.

[Cephrir]

The other options are worse

[Cephrir]

I assure you that mala is a more than capable town player.

I’m also a damn capable scum player

Your point

Was that you shouldnt get a free pass to not do anything.

[Cephrir]

I'm not sure I actually understand why strange is such a popular scumread tbh. She doesnt have a ton of charisma but is there anything actually scummy going on there?

[Cephrir]

humorous thought: what if enchant were scum with andres and fully aware that no one wants to join a wagon started by himself and titus so voting his partner is actually a form of protecting him

[Cephrir]

no

[Cephrir]

Just kill Titus after I flip please. They’re trying to argue against my slot because there’s probably enough support there somewhere if you squint hard enough not to potentially execute MalaKittens I presume.

dude what

no one serious is even considering voting you right now. can we get some scumhunting from you instead of the constant reactivity

[Cephrir]

genuinely hard not to vote this

[Cephrir]

@people who have played with andres before is this normal

[Cephrir]

Andresvmb posted his part of the solve without hesitation. He later even said (paraphrasing from the PT) that there is literally no excuse for someone putting in a wrong answer because they can always check in with the mod. He was fully cooperative and acted in a pro-town way.

Then why isnt that happening in the game thread

[Cephrir]

optimal play is dead on this website it's so irritating

[Cephrir]

They're pretty much always where the scum aren't this game.

What does that mean?

[Cephrir]

god this town needed catboi so bad we're a chicken with our head cut off at that point. there are only a few potential leaders left and none of them are doing it.

i have leader upside later in the game but i can't corral large towns. gargh.

[Cephrir]

They're pretty much always where the scum aren't this game.

What does that mean?

They're voting exclusively town with brain dead vote parks and about as much flexibility as an iceberg.

makes sense

[Cephrir]

fuck pooky can actually read me

[Cephrir]

i need to get good at wifom

[Cephrir]

Well, at least today isn't boring. I feel more drawn to going after misty and trying to find mala partners (might be hard, since she gave us nothing to work with) but I probably should give the shitfest the time of day.

[Cephrir]

Uh, the idea that Mala wasn't bussed hard is foreign to me.
They had nothing to defend. Scum would be uncomfortable doing anything other than voting them for risk of being called out themselves. That was a wagon that is simply impossible to derail. So all you'd get by trying to save them is suspicion.

I'm not sure about this. There were other targets that might have been gettable, and there was certainly a surfeit of those pushes happening. I wouldnt be surprised by bus votes either, but I'm a how guy and not a what guy anyway.

[Cephrir]

Why doesnt dwlee bus there, vp?

[Cephrir]

Cephrir in Bell land, I can't imagine a scenario where informed role Mala wasn't telling their buddies to bus them to death in the scum PT because they had stuff to deal with and they were being dead weight.
Might as well get something out of it.

But sure, if the scum team had someone particularly charismatic and was willing to ignore Mala, sure. They could have derailed it I guess. That didn't happen though. Nobody successfully derailed it, there was some movements to other players, but they floundered.

Sure maybe. But they might not be able to get something out of it given existing stated positions, and players were already calling the wagon a bus before it even flipped. That's an environment where I would want to bus very well or not at all, or ideally tbh, I'd love to be bussing a different partner while it goes through. That might just be me tho.

[Cephrir]

I think greeting is a pretty reasonable "just obvtown" kill so not super concerned about andante for that

[Cephrir]

Enchant is about to do the same thing as strange with the "well you breathe as scum so"

your posts being mad about this don't rly do you any favors tho

[Cephrir]

mechanically it would make a ton of sense for scum vpb to blow up here just sayin

[Cephrir]

mechanically it would make a ton of sense for scum vpb to blow up here just sayin

So we don't feel compelled to flip him?

yeah

[Cephrir]

mala iso is 100% useless yep

i guess there are votes to look at

[Cephrir]

VOTE: mala

That was entertaining, let's lim scum now ty

That works too

VOTE: Mala

VOTE: mala

Let's go.

VOTE: mala

I endorse this

VOTE: mala

speed~run~hype

oh man

X

[Cephrir]

No thoughts on mala?

I didn't originally have any thoughts on Malakittens (though skimming they give the same vibe as Cephrir where its a little scummy but I can't make much out of it, though that makes me wonder, why did this wagon suddenly come up?), though I feel like I'm just struggling to have reads on everyone, and the aforementioned people I just can't read.

But for now,

VOTE: Dwlee

Have some work I need to finish though.

X

[Cephrir]

I may SR strange... but that's a read I can agree with (for some different reasoning though)

VOTE: Dwlee

my very brief thoughts are that Baltar probably needs to die today, and if scum flip then pooky definitely needs to die

yeah umm VP having 2 bombs worries me tbh, and going "frog had value!!! must read into it!!" is not something I really want to deal with... frog just trolled around in the PT why are you implying all 3 of me greeting andres lied about what went on??

But I don't think VP is town, and that's why his groups keep successfully disarming bombs

VOTE: VP

About the Dwlee TMI, it was mostly a gut feeling from reading their posts that feels very TMI-like but I can't really point to exactly why knowing the flips. Though I guess its also feeling of something similar to Dwlee!scum just constantly going with the consensus slots (Similar to where he sits there and allows people to just consensus onto wrong slots).

I would like you to cite actual posts please.

Not great at citing posts (or in general) but okay.

#1006
#1404
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13316311
#2810

This part pinged my gut as a little TMI-like with the read on someone I don't feel like has been neither scummy nor really townie, even checking the slot before them doesn't really give me a lot to work with.

Where's the TMI unless I'm bussing mala here?

What I mean is with how my read is on them I don't understand the scumread on them. I really don't understand the scumread on it is where it smells TMI-ey. And your read on them is mentioned often but not explained to how you came to this conclusion. Although this is with most people on this wagon where its not explained to me why they're on Malakittens, it smells a little you have something, but looking back, I might just be completely wrong (Woo, potentially more really bad reads for this game) looking back at other posts.

Though I ask, what is your case on Malakittens?

And so we chose to wagon, instead of maybe doing the more logical conclusion for any of the 5 people on Malakittens right now, to say actually squeeze or prod content out of them? Yeah, I'm not going anywhere near this wagon. If it flips scum, fine, but you can count me out of being on this wagon.

Good talk!
VOTE: Dwlee

UNVOTE:
VOTE: titus

Post or die!

VOTE: Titus

YES SIR

VOTE: CSF

HEAL: VP Baltar
HEAL: Dwlee99

not really a fan of strangematter getting healed what's up with that one

VOTE: Titus

did someone say lim titus?

i didn't exhaustively look at trajectory but not one of these looks good to me

andante was really happy to vote like, literally anyone other than mala after getting sorta cornered into voting her for a minute

i think enchant's vote looks particularly terrible

[Cephrir]

this needs more attention than i feel like giving right now

[Cephrir]

hey dwlee meet me in the scum pt let's plan some theater

wait, i already made this joke this game

[Cephrir]

i got it, andres was a changeling!

[Cephrir]

Enchant is about to do the same thing as strange with the "well you breathe as scum so"

your posts being mad about this don't rly do you any favors tho

Well unless both of strange and enchant are scum it is annoying to be called scum for literally just my playstyle by townies

Ya I might be projecting but I get super annoyed by that when I'm scum c:

[Cephrir]

I'm just... pretty good at imitating my town meta

So I should read you like I'd read me

Too bad I don't know how to do that :3

[Cephrir]

skimmed strange's iso and it's a big ole shrug

idk how to tell low charisma apart from scum but she kinda seems like scum

[Cephrir]

can i just VOTE: mistyx instead though

[Cephrir]

I mean you're kinda right but there's also probably 2 more scum in the other 10 players and that just feels more... penetrable, right now

[Cephrir]

well at least i can stop worrying about andante's alignment again

[Cephrir]

Not to mention absolutely nobody defended Mala directly so by…your own egotistical way of seeing the world everybody caught mala scum including the scum team.

The sudden influx of distractions was likely the only possible form of defense of a blank slot

[Cephrir]

Enchant for bussing 2022

[Cephrir]

i recognize that the chances are objectively better in the hood but my confidence level that i'll get it right is low and i don't really want to chain 3 elims to get there

[Cephrir]

Also, did Cephrir ever make an argument as to why Baltar killing Andre was advantageous for scum them beyon just "hey Baltar is the most active and hasn't made any obvious mistakes and they're he least suspected of the three going in"

Or was that all?

he kind of can't survive to endgame arguably so it could potentially make sense for him to make a sacrifice play

[Cephrir]

i agree that strange is the scummiest of the three but deep down i just don't quite believe that's what's happening. the play makes more sense from someone going for a 3-for-1 or a 5-for-1

[Cephrir]

& flipping a scum in like misty or enchant gives me more interactions to work with to solve the trichotomy

[Cephrir]

also, and this part is key, i might die before i have to solve it

[Cephrir]

fypov andante the first hood is known to be all town at this point so that shouldnt really play into your suspicions

[Cephrir]

ah, i didn't realize how few people are eligible for expert today

HEAL: andante

[Cephrir]

fypov andante the first hood is known to be all town at this point so that shouldnt really play into your suspicions

what? I'm talking about the VP hood? my hood is all dead people?? what's the point here...

"town vp means there's 2 hoods where a vp bomb was correctly solved"

i don't see what the first hood has to do with anything for you

[Cephrir]

ah, i didn't realize how few people are eligible for expert today

HEAL: andante

I do NOT want expert on even nights. please un heal me

oh okay

HURT: andante
HEAL: csf

idk who else to put in

[Cephrir]

fypov andante the first hood is known to be all town at this point so that shouldnt really play into your suspicions

what? I'm talking about the VP hood? my hood is all dead people?? what's the point here...

"town vp means there's 2 hoods where a vp bomb was correctly solved"

i don't see what the first hood has to do with anything for you

hood 1, if VP is town for whatever reason, Pooky is not scum, pooky could've killed VP and I know I'd have bought it
hood 2, mist was defusing VP bomb, like, I think the team is mist pooky VP, soooo all the pieces fitI don't understand your question ceph

oh i forgot who defused who NEVER MIND

[Cephrir]

sm help me kill misty

[Cephrir]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

mistyx's town game isn't as worthless as the one they are playing here

[Cephrir]

it contains content

[Cephrir]

is 2821 too scummy to be scum

[Cephrir]

no, third on the wagon = scum is the worst tell ever

[Cephrir]

yeah that was a good time

[Cephrir]

What no it isnt

Even if we blow up townies every night it isnt

[Cephrir]

Idt bell is eligible

[Cephrir]

would also love to see more titus today

or idk she wanted to be an expert to catch up i could go for it

[Cephrir]

Think Titus is town and just demotivated

i do too

[Cephrir]

why not

HEAL: titus

[Cephrir]

uncharacteristic pagetop

[Cephrir]

continue to suspect this flips town but go off team

[Cephrir]

continue to suspect this flips town but go off team

How similar is this to the frog vibe?

eh that was totally different imo if frog came back to life right now i would elim him again anyway

[Cephrir]

HURT: andante
by request but also I don't townread any of pooky/menalque/titus enough to want them as experts.

i want to see what titus will do with the opportunity she requested

[Cephrir]

You want someone to solve and your pick is enchant???

[Cephrir]

[Cephrir]

i don't know if i even want to be a part of this goofy ass expert group

[Cephrir]

Flipping Morning Tweet would give a lot of context to the game at that point.

i'm tryinggggggggggggggg

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Dwlee

dwlee and strange have to be the next 2 flips. no reason to ever not flip both

and I need Dwlee flipped before Mistyx cause there's a strong thing catboi pointed out that they're not partners, which I'd agree with

so what you're saying is flipping mistyx will help solve the problem

great!~

[Cephrir]

imagine being a popular townread, generally thought of as a decent player, and still not being able to get the same worthless slot killed that you've been trying to kill for 137 pages

[Cephrir]

|:

[Cephrir]

I have not read dwlee's case (I will) but I am scumreading Menalque's reaction to it anyway.

[Cephrir]

no he was pretty level headed for the most part

im wondering if i was the dummy getting the wool pulled over my eyes in that pt

[Cephrir]

pooky are you scum

[Cephrir]

VOTE: VP

[Cephrir]

im officially declaring my pt incredibly suspicious

it didn't seem like it at the time but things have changed.

[Cephrir]

things have changed.

this is a crumb.

[Cephrir]

but like, not about my role.

[Cephrir]

either im missing something important or there is guaranteed to be scum in the pt last night

it troubles me that pooky didn't already say this

[Cephrir]

why?

i don't wanna say this yet in case i'm missing something

[Cephrir]

it's also maybe not my call, perhaps

[Cephrir]

im pretty sure if the conclusion you r coming to was true that would've already been said dude

then idk what is happening and would love some clarity! i thought that was what was being said

[Cephrir]

like I'm down to out it if you are.

i want to try to avoid it esp if you can convince me im wrong about what happened

[Cephrir]

im pretty sure if the conclusion you r coming to was true that would've already been said dude

then idk what is happening and would love some clarity! i thought that was what was being said

i can think of one other explanation but if it's that i don't see why obfuscate it

[Cephrir]

ugh maybe that actually makes more sense with what was said

pedit we should wait for clarity from her i think. no reason not to

[Cephrir]

my leading theory is the whole plan was never real

pedit yeah. ur not wrong

[Cephrir]

if dwlee planned this entire situation i'll scream

that's probably what happened lmao

[Cephrir]

if dwlee planned this entire situation i'll scream

that's probably what happened lmao

Why are you so terrified of me lmao

frog phobia

[Cephrir]

having a secret is so fun why would we want to stop

[Cephrir]

i just wish it had panned out the other way, that would've been extra fun

[Cephrir]

It sounds like there's good reason to consider the hood all town, is that right? Because that would help immensely with POE

i wouldn't guarantee it

[Cephrir]

glad we can always count on misty to astonish us with her beautiful townie soul

[Cephrir]

i read the case. it was fine i guess.

mena's response of "lol" is still incredibly scummy

[Cephrir]

ceph if you thought vp scum over dwlee why would you allow the defusal to go through?

same question to pooky/titus if you agree with scum vp

because i didn't think that particularly at the time

i guess we probably should've blown up though. i guess i got distracted, and then also my cat died during the Night so i didn't have time to think critically

[Cephrir]

like i wanted to reread gl because i didn't have any read on him but then i wasnt able to

[Cephrir]

im blaming pooky he's the grand vizier whispering in my ear

grand vizi-bear

[Cephrir]

either im missing something important or there is guaranteed to be scum in the pt last night

it troubles me that pooky didn't already say this

Can you explain this, or...?

Nah

[Cephrir]

mena's response of "lol" is still incredibly scummy

How would you expect me to respond differently as town lmao

Townily

[Cephrir]

yea im sure scum you would be blazing away with the machine guns and making it super obvious you are scum

you have convinced me

Yeah, I would. I'd be laughing at all you dorks for letting me defuse two bombs and there'd be bodies to prove it.

Like if I'm scum, do I believe town is going to let me defuse more bombs? What's the play?

Here's an idea

You could blow someone up and try to pin it on someone else then die and then use your kills

Crazy

[Cephrir]

So glad we did that strange matter elim

[Cephrir]

HEAL: CSF, Bell, Titus

[Cephrir]

I wanna burn this game down

[Cephrir]

Dw pooky ur winning

[Cephrir]

I didn't say that was why I wouldn't have defused. I'm saying if I was scum, I would have killed and laughed at actually getting two defusals. What are you even talking about????

this would be a pretty terrible move so i dont really believe that it would definitively have occurred

[Cephrir]

In a scum me world, why wouldn't I just lim you first and then try to get mistyx?

Because that would never work and mistyx isnt town anyway

[Cephrir]

Btw Datisi said it could be possible that there is a scum role that can blow up a bomb without being in the expert pt

I do not want to believe this because that would be fucking stupid

i will scream

Tbh if you had this much certainty with strange you shouldn't have let us lim her but oh well I guess

if this is as much certainty as strange then we should ignore it because that supposed clear was 33%

I agree on condition,

if

when VP flips town, Dwlee and then Andante dies. First for being scum, second for being liar.

ok I'm not liar. Dwlee is either VT or a Goon. and based on the flipped scum, I don't even think scum has goons. so it's VP. simple as that

you should have made dwlee claim

Anyone else getting cold feet?

Totally reasonable town mindset from VPB rn to say I'm scum cause I don't buy into the "Datisi is a total fucking troll and decided to make this game of the suffering of 3 unfortunate townies and the person that should not have been exploded" world theory

A point you allegedly confirmed with the mod. Keep calling me the crazy one.

Fact: scum can mess with defusers

Fact: fogster had a role that can affect bomb outcomes for town

Fact: mod says scum could affect bomb outcomes

Dwlee: VP is crazy, that would never be possible. Also what if scum used that ability on catboi (WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUGGGGGGGGGG)

it makes sense actually that any argument about scum definitely having x role can come from this sort of situation. i feel like i see that routinely and can leak into the thread out of annoyance

[Cephrir]

i do think it's fairly unlikely there are any more goons but it's not certain

[Cephrir]

thats ok it isn't important

[Cephrir]

so you have VP guilty… said nothing… I had no need to out my stuff… I hate this game

She can't have a guilty because there isn't a guilty to get.

Town cannot play this game, I swear.

how dare we not go look at your role pm

[Cephrir]

The implied visit was an attempt to secure an accurate read on VP. The hood established a crumb section for me since I claimed a cop in our thread. I could not actually check anyone. However by implying I had a result on whichever Dwlee or VP got ran up, it would be more likely the result was correct.

Our crumb system had me document who I "checked". I deliberately started with my first post outside of that range.

If my hood had a scum, they would waste roleblocking or kills on me.

hence everything i said earlier. i thought titus was claiming roleblocked when she crumbed something that wasn't in our code and therefore gl or pooky was scum

[Cephrir]

i don't think that makes you scum

[Cephrir]

& whatever titus is doing now wasn't a part of the plan- i thought her claim was a legit like, 1-shot or night x cop or something

[Cephrir]

Ummm ok

So last night's hood being all town predicates on Titus town, right?

Well yea

yeah but it's a massive brain play as scum. idk if she comes up with it

[Cephrir]

no offense or anything just seems like it coulve backfired

[Cephrir]

YOU LITERALLY CONSPIRED IN THE BOMB PT LAST NIGHT TO GET ME.

no we didn't.

[Cephrir]

yeah but that had nothing to do with you. the point was so titus could tell us her action & result

[Cephrir]

ceph don't forget to use the flip ray on VPB b4 we hammer him

go go gadget changeling gun!

[Cephrir]

yeah but that had nothing to do with you. the point was so titus could tell us her action & result

What do you think about her using it to try to sway the lim onto me? Do you think that's a townie play?

idk i dont think anyone took that seriously. i sure didn't

[Cephrir]

egg tart yolk festival cherry tree bright star

we have a code beige in aisle J

[Cephrir]

d21im13i 2rok3or k2eooe Cephrir?

n7n704 sm1wpo baltar rr4imi

[Cephrir]

GuiltyLion just came from an internet random username generator haha, it was some kind of random adjective + random noun thing and I generated and handful and liked this one the best

damn i have been secretly hoping you were a furry this whole time

[Cephrir]

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[Cephrir]

titus weird pick.

[Cephrir]

no nightkill?? did andres save twice??

[Cephrir]

Sorry Titus but we should have blown up the bomb last night. It's just basic risk mitigation.

Although tonight, if we lim scum today, we can possibly defuse again. The only person that we cannot allow to defuse a bomb is GuiltyLion, since he has already defused once, so I propose we expert him.

i dont think we can with GL alive

[Cephrir]

Sorry Titus but we should have blown up the bomb last night. It's just basic risk mitigation.

Although tonight, if we lim scum today, we can possibly defuse again. The only person that we cannot allow to defuse a bomb is GuiltyLion, since he has already defused once, so I propose we expert him.

i dont think we can with GL alive

Minor correction: I meant if we lim scum today

that isn't GuiltyLion

(say, Misty, for example)

Then there's only 1 scum left going into night. Suppose the last scum alive is GuiltyLion

Then as long as he doesn't defuse any more bombs, we should be ok to let anyone else defuse at least for tonight only, right?

oh. got it

[Cephrir]

Non-consecutive night babysitter

doesn't that act as a vig most of the time

why aren't you vigging anything

[Cephrir]

Non-consecutive night babysitter

doesn't that act as a vig most of the time

why aren't you vigging anything

Have I seemed a likely NK target on any night since like, N1?

oh right i always forget babysitter isn't cpr doctor. carry on

[Cephrir]

eh. i don't care i still want to kill misty.

[Cephrir]

i feel like it could make sense

scum have roles that let them fuck with bombs and kill people with bombs and basically don't have kills

[Cephrir]

also ive been trying to kill misty for 16 years and im pupset about it

[Cephrir]

Ceph your defense of mena is gonna look like shit tomm prepare to die dude

funny joke

[Cephrir]

if you flip town I will make sure misty dies for you buddy

it would be nice to get something done during my lifetime for once

[Cephrir]

i hope mena paid you a retainer

feel like two posts saying maybe we should think about all the possibilities before rushing in is maybe not worthy of these posts but ok

[Cephrir]

csf doesn't counterclaim as scum here that's absurd

[Cephrir]

i hope mena paid you a retainer

feel like two posts saying maybe we should think about all the possibilities before rushing in is maybe not worthy of these posts but ok

you're only making this worse for yourself

you're not going to get me killed this game scumbear

[Cephrir]

i hope mena paid you a retainer

feel like two posts saying maybe we should think about all the possibilities before rushing in is maybe not worthy of these posts but ok

you're only making this worse for yourself

you're not going to get me killed this game scumbear

nice omgus didnt see it coming at all

it's not exactly a new concern from me but you can pretend it is if you want

[Cephrir]

i have to go out and its unfortunate that mena is going to be dead when i get back

maybe pooky can find a way to blame me for his town flip too!

[Cephrir]

idk i was scumreading mena before but i think this is just another episode of the save misty show now

[Cephrir]

can we just lim misty and let the prot claims sort themselves out tonight? like, we all agree Misty is maf, so we just lim misty. that easy

this is a good idea. if misty/mena is the team csf's jailkeep will stop the kill so at worst scum have to not kill anyone tonight

[Cephrir]

also i find csf's defuser case fairly compelling. i think mena's ":i want to be defuser" post is weird for him to make if he's telling the truth about being a town protective and also understands what the defuser is

[Cephrir]

VOTE: CSF

comparing role power think this is more likely a hit

lol

But Titus asked that people suspect Andante for their push against them.

I’m a gated protective, I crumbed it D1 and it’s why I hammered fire so fast (i believed Andres’ claim and didn’t think there’d be a third protective role)

Last night I was on Andy, and I suspect that’s why no night kill outside titus, given that there’s no reason for scum to be saving their NKs with Baltar outed

Also you didn't think there'd be a third protective

But on D2 after fire flipped town, you *still* thought Andres was town???

My current reads (update):

town: Andante, Greeting, Andres, GL, Bell, CSF, Ceph, VP Baltar, enchant

null town: pooky
null for lack of engagement with them: Strange, mala, dwlee

good odds of scum: Titus

scum: misty, frog

***

pedit: appreciate the thought, Andres, but I was an expert last night and am therefore ineligible

csf spitting hot fire today tbh

THINK for a hot second

If misty!town — I’m not convinced of that, but if — then tomorrow is quite possibly lylo with a potential 1v1 happening where I know both that I’m town and that I probably lose said 1v1 which is GG

Does anyone really think that misty is getting away today through some magical leap? The only way misty isn’t limmed today is probably if we lim in me/CSF which then, again probably but this is why to not rush, nets a 100% scum lim tomorrow (if I go first today)

yes, misty has escaped me 5 times already so i absolutely do think that

Misty, what do you think of the whole CSF thing? Definite scum CC or am I discounting the possibility of a fucky NA situation due to scum being low on kills

It just seems very unlikely to me that scum wouldn’t have been saving kills for post Baltar flip

i think the analysis of "4 protectives would not exist in a setup with limited scum kills" is accurate

and i think jailkeeper doesn't match the power level as well

town night 1: "omg there is NO WAY 2 protectives exist"

now: there are definitely 3 yet we are still trying to outguess the mod. i hate towns on this website

[Cephrir]

Andy
Dwlee
Enchant
Bell

^ i feel good about all this being town


Mistyx, GL, Ceph, CSF <— this is the problematic section for me as it stands

\/ feel good abou this being scum

Pooky

im really obviously town and also like the only person defending you like dude

[Cephrir]

okay, I think I believe Andante.

I jailkept Andante N4. The reason I didn't want to out my jailkeep targets earlier when Mena was asking was because Andante hinted that she vanilla copped dwlee N4. So I was like ???? how when I jailkept her? I was a bit suspicious of Andante because of that, but she was pretty townie by dayplay, so I thought it wasn't worth outing my role to 1v1 her, especially since I didn't want to derail the VP lim or out my role just yet to make me susceptible to possible NKs.

After VP's flip, I thought maybe scum had used their ascetizer ability on Andante. And rereading day 2, I got the impression that VP and Andante weren't aligned.

Now that Andante has claimed VT, I have no reason to not out my jailkeep targets.

N1: Frogsterking (lol)
N2: Bell
N3: Cephrir
N4: Andante
N5: Menalque

i confirm that i do not have any information that contradicts this

[Cephrir]

Cat Scratch Fever [2]: Menalque, Mistyx

haha

[Cephrir]

we could just ask any info roles with anything useful to come out. im not sure what else massclaiming accomplishes it's not like we're strapped for suspects

[Cephrir]

HEAL: csf dwlee GL

[Cephrir]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13350172

im amazing

i was dying when everyone was like "who would have shot cephrir"