Micro 1052: Lake Melancholy [END]

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And i'll just claim: vt

Jesus fucking christ we are actually massclaiming Day 1 OK

I thought i had more votes on me >.>

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And i'll just claim: vt

Jesus fucking christ we are actually massclaiming Day 1 OK

I thought i had more votes on me >.>

Pedit you two calling me scum

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Second point I want more elaboration to why his on me doesn't make sense; I have my understanding of it but iirc your vote was spurred more by my swap to you than by my statements.

Seemed like a pedantic reason to scumread you, and like he waa nitpicking/overblowing small things to push u

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He feels so off tho >.>

But fine

VOTE: dwlee

That's the third vote btw ^

On the other hand, this could have done the trick if I'm wrong about Dwlee, especially with Enchant in the game.

No?

I would have unvoted if it reached e1 with enchant in the game. And if i were trying to hasten the wagon i wouldnt havr counted the votes or announced the e1 ...

What exactly are you trying to imply here?

???????? The context of this vote is giving up on your Datisi vote and consolidating on Dwlee. I can see some argument about wanting to pressure but not wanting other votes but uhhhhhhhh, incredibly bizarre statement

I read it as him saying i was hastening the dwlee wagon and creating a situation where it would be likely than enchant would hammer

It is possible i misunderstood the context

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I'm not even going to try to speculate if you were Enchant-baiting or not, I think the bolded is ???? bullshit to dodge the accusation. You were in the process of consolidating on something viable and that people were more interested in.

That's not what i read what ceph was saying at the time. again i realized later i misunderstood it, but at the time that's what i thought. I wasnt 'bullshit dodging' anything

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Ok prism
I don't even know what you scumread me for anymore

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Simultaneously, you seem to not understand my scumread on you at all and have not revisited my slot at all. You ignore a player with more familiarity with my scumgame that you deeply respect screaming at you from the rooftop that I faketilt and do counterintuitive shit all the time with ease.

I mean, before she signed off for the night i did ask her to talk to me abt it again tom since she has very strong reasons to sr you and she's very good at this game and i dont ger it

But yes i am completely ignoring her read

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You are exactly right about the circumstances surrounding my tilt being town. Your refereeing of me/Aristeia was deeply questionable and I don't buy the argument that you play into it. This is not your first rodeo with us, we need no help ripping each other limb by limb indefinitely

Why am i even still townreading u if i'm scum here ...

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And i also object to the characterization of 'refereeing' you, as i was not

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Ok well maybe ari will convince me you're scum tomorrow and then i'll have the neat trajectory needed to vote u

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I already explained why i townread you
You even approved of the read

Idk what else u want from me tbh

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Wut

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Ari i said like four times i want to talk to you more abt why prism is scum >.>

Prism i dont really get where the sudden revelation came from, did you skip that post the first time? Why did it wipe away the badness of the first group of posts ...

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Also i appreciate the tiger in the certificate - nicd touch!

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Ahhhhhhh hardgame is hard
Mechanics are hard >.>

Pedit fwiw i do vaguely think he was fond of red herrinfs

Isnt scum neighbor by itself a red herring for the bunyip? The ascetic just negates *that* red herring, no?

Ari :( good night

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I explicitly remember a game where all the non-prs were millers
He likes these kind of jokes

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If there is one thing I'm known for as scum, it's not strategic depth. It's not a focus on clean play, zero mistakes, immaculate progressions, and risk avoidance.

It is popping wheelies and doing donuts and shitting myself inthread unprompted

Sorry just to be clear cuz sarcasm is hard >.>
Which one of these do you actually mean?

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ari is probably not gonna like this but i never fully understood why the immediate assumption for a novice mailman is that it must be intended as a scum ascetic finder

This is me
I need some hand-holding on the non-mechanical reasons too >.>

~

I also think we should be taking a closer look at ceph and dwlee

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Ok that's what i thought, just checking

Fwiw ari (again you're gonna shout since i dont have first hand meta experience) but my impression of how prism would play scum is very clean ans very precise and very conscious of appearances

I dont think she does wheelies in thread as scum, but i guess i can always be wrong ...

I'm gonna feel really silly in post if i'm wrong tho ...

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I'm still kinda sus on vpb ngl
I'm not sure i *like* prism's reversal on me but i lowkey still think she's town tbh?

Also the analysis of your scumpost was quite interesting

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name one thing Prism has done that is town indicative

- the whole mechanics thing i dont find as a convincing reason to scumread her (this isnt a townread, just dont think its a reason to scumread either)
- not sure she's *so* open about what she's be doing here as scum. This sort of ties in with 'more free-wheeling / wild than i'd expect her to be as scum here' kinda expect her to be more circumspect, precise, and planned out
- idk if she's so chill r.e. gettinf flipped today as scum. She's said multiple times she expects to get flipped and not endgame, and idk if scum is so cavalier about that
- why does she completely back off her scumread on me?

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Could Mailmen be my false positive?

Yes i thought that was vaguely obvious
And ascetic is also the token 'role that interferes with my role'

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so she is not playing scum in the fashion you would expect her to play scum in

do i really need to explain a motive for this?

when I say a reason to townread someone, I mean something they can't easily duplicate as mafia or disadvantages their win condition significantly.

Of but finding significant departures from how i expect someone to play scum is a large portion of how i form townreads

And i would argue that 'lowkey encouraging their own flip and doing nothing to prevent it disadvantages their wincon significantly'

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Ok i want to vote vpb dwlee or ceph

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Right but it has the distinct downfall of, you know, actually leading to her getting flipped, which would be p bad for her as scum and she's *dong nothing to prevent that'

Whereas if town-her thinks its inevitable.... i can see this pretty easily

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Ok i want to vote vpb dwlee or ceph

where did i go

Right u 2

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Right but it has the distinct downfall of, you know, actually leading to her getting flipped, which would be p bad for her as scum and she's *dong nothing to prevent that'

Whereas if town-her thinks its inevitable.... i can see this pretty easily

Skitter she hasn't been flipped in five years do you really think town!her thinks this is the day it's inevitable.

Ive gotten flipped like 5 times in five years
I thought it was likely earlier
She's counting votes and most of the game scumreads her and i see similarities in how she's reacting now to how i was reacting earlier

Pedit i really dont know what i'm missing at this point >.>
Pedit2 >.>

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Oh dear
Get some sleep dats !

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I CAN'T

i have a test in like...??? 36 hours???? no, 35!! and i haven't done shit about it

and also i need to argue with people on the internet!!

:( plz sleep
Then study
Then take test
Then argue with people on the internet

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Watch this game be like ceph and vpb or something

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Then i'm on the right track

Should we just wagon vbp or ceph then?

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Then i'm on the right track

Should we just wagon vbp or ceph then?

this tiger is trying to kill me

I dont want your biggest scumread
I'm offerinf the only other 2 names in ur pool ....

Dats why dont u like these options

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VOTE: fire

Bad vote

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I'm voting vpb in spirit, i believe if i were to actually place it it would be e1 and we have enchant in this game etc

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Whhhhhhhhyyyyyyyyy

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I think we need to be cautious about e1 due to enchant, and i think he now has 3

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I'm actually starting to worry about that pocket >.>

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How do u not have any scumreads at this point?

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ok so i cant analyze baltar and be genuine without going here, so im in a neighborhood with datisi and baltar

Bizarely this gives credence in my mind to scum-prism ...
Also uh yeah there's almost 100% scum in you three

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he's still pushing this in 612 and notably still thinks i can be brought onside here

I mean, it worked ...
Pedit it could be, sure. But until/unless i have a reason to think otherwise i'm gonnna stick with that

Also ur point about vpb not solving in the hood is interesting, see the recent 19p game where he was town in the hood and was using that to solve p heavily there
(And hey i was scum in that hood!)

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I mean ceph is claiming you're paranoia-scumreading dats in the hood
I suppose we shall have to wait until after dats' test to get The Truth

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datisi has been a paranoia machine in there and posted an absolute fuckton. this is why im townreading datisi for seemingly no reason.
the two of them have been sorting each other but at this point i think it's just a pocket attempt and i think baltar would have managed to put more town seeming thoughts in there if he had any town thoughts. it just seems like posting just to post to me.

Oh i got 'vpb isnt really solving there' out of this but maybe i read it wrong, in which case i retract that bit

Pedit i think the trolling is hilarious, and i think (?) i'm taking it entirely in the vein its written in and i dont scumread you for it

That comment was entirely a mechanics-based comment, i think the hood basically exists to give the bunyip red herrings (one of which is actually scum, see: the prior boon setup with the bunyip and scum ascetic and scum in hood)
And to make the ascetic the token 'extra special red herring' which in my mind feels kinda scummy but idk

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=84719

like here's the link.

8 players - 1 Mafia Goon 1 Mafia Ascetic Neighbor Hood of 3.

Town Power:
1 Shot Tracker
1 Shot Weak Friendly Neighbor
Town Bunyip
Night 2 Bulletproof Neighbor
Vanilla Town Neighbor
Vanilla Town


I don't see any red herring roles. Town Power Roles Serve a clear purpose.

So just to be clear we claimed thus far:
Hood 3x (dats ceph vpb)
Bunyip enchant
Ascetic prism
Mailman ari

I think this points p strongly to scum in the hood
And possibly scum-prism

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Well if it helps i am more amneable to scum prism now

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No no, i understood that too

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I should probably be industrious and read like vpb/prism associatives
But i guess that will wait till tomorrow

Pedit why are there 2 bunyips now

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I probably should have figured my actual wcumhunting would get ignored like usual but I thought that one was pretty good :c

I read it! I appreciated the analysis!

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i'm fine with a draw if that's what people want I don't actually think it's fun to win this way

Fwiw if it is vpb/prism, same

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No, and i'd want to flip vpb first regardless
Not sure if there's much else to do today tho, although i would want to go throughthe motions of collecting his fullclaim
Pedit oh right

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I'm like getting tilted at whoever the fuck is actually town out of prism/skitter/fire here.

??????

Spoiler: @prism

was actually kinda interesting to read about your irl, i wish you great luck in law school

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Gonna go do literally anything besides read the next vitriol laden post

actually a joke that anyone thinks it is exactly me/baltar but we press on

I mean it makes a fair amt of sense to me at this point tbh

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How are you reading me even if you're lumping me in the same category as fire ..

And fine, lets play this game: what am i not being 'thoughtful' about and who i am getting pocketed by

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How are you reading me even if you're lumping me in the same category as fire ..

And fine, lets play this game: what am i not being 'thoughtful' about and who i am getting pocketed by

I think if prism is scum here, she is playing you.

>.>

do you think the 3p hood must have a scum or not?

Must? Idk, that's some outguessing the mod shit. Possible or likely? Definitely. Suichi and I have both made it known we think it could be the other person. Like I said, I think suichi didn't like that datisi and I were vibing and tried to make a preemptive play possibly.

Why is dats the consensus town in the hood?

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Sigh maybe we should just flip prism

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Ty, get some sleep!

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<3 prism
Enjoy your books, and plz report back what 'outside' is like, i think all of us have forgotten

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is it bad that im starting to feel like vp might be town

i think these may be bad feelings and i should resist them

any advice

Yes, he's almost for sure scum and has entered 'anyone but me' mode

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Still kinda prefer vpb over prism tbh

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Also again noting that dwlee is sus

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Hey i already learned my lesson to take the 100% route when possible >.>
Even i see its like 19 billion times easier to just go 'fine ari i'll listen on prism' than this performative nonsense

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VOTE: Prism
I'm sleep deprived!

Let's keep the party rolling fam!

^ @vpb

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VOTE: Prism
I'm sleep deprived!

Let's keep the party rolling fam!

^ @vpb

I don't know what this is supposed to mean. How is me supporting the prism wagon, which I have been on for a long time now, "entering anyone but me" mode?

The tone is egging on the prism vote

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A town!baltar lim is probably losing

Y tho

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like it opens up a possible path for vp!town that i just wasn't seeing at all before

can you explain this

i previously could not map some of vp's actions onto a model of him as town. the biggest one being his lack of engagement/interaction with you and any attempt to solve your slot

and the fact that there's a hood that is apparently pretty active helps potentially fill in some of the gaps in his progressions and attempts to solve

but on the other hand shuichi has known about the hood the whole time and still thinks vp is scum for similar reasons to what i think, so maybe this new information is just throwing me off by making a few things click but shouldn't really be case-shattering

@vpb super townie post ^

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alright this is a pact

skitter/fire if i post again before 7p EST you vote me

:thumbups: enjoy ur wednesday prism!

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UNVOTE:

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Dwlee why are u townreading vpb again?
Or like why do you have such a strong preference for prism?

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My solve rn is dwlee/vpb

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That would be very unfortunate

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My solve rn is dwlee/vpb

Essentially at same point, I do expect this level of play drom Dwlee having seen similar in Slaughter Hour/D&C

Differences are that they don't have any pet scumreads whatsoever, actual zero, when normally they draw a name from a hat and die on the hill giving one liners. The policying me angle is lazy and anti-competitive as fuck whereas normally they take some pride in guessing iirc

My pet scumread claimed bunyip and everyone unvoted lol

Ok so like no reassessment since then?

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A town!baltar lim is probably losing

If smarter people than me still want VPB I'll lim there though sure

This is what u mean by reasseasment? Or something else that i'm missing

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Ari i'm kinda confused why you cant see it

I think ur very tunneled rn tbh

I dont have much more to add today, i prefer vpb but if we must flip prism ro move the game forward i supose i'm ok with that but very unideal for me

If prism like flips town tho do we get to flip vpb tomorrow or @ari

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Is it bad that part of me is lowkey wondering if ari is scum ... ?
This might be bad
But yeah

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What you're doing is just trying to give Dwlee shit for voting you which doesn't make sense since you said you are fine with being flipped [I don't think you do and the fact anyone believes it is fucking mind boggling to me](this is @ you skitter)

Well, this ....

she keeps saying she's fine with getting flipped
And she's doing little to prevent that from happening
She isnt really convincing the swing voters to vote elsewhere
And her overall vibe just seems very chill with being flipped, over a longish time period

None of this seems congruent with being scum, or with not being ok with being flipped

I'm not sure why u think she isnt really ...

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Ari i'm kinda confused why you cant see it

I think ur very tunneled rn tbh

I dont have much more to add today, i prefer vpb but if we must flip prism ro move the game forward i supose i'm ok with that but very unideal for me

If prism like flips town tho do we get to flip vpb tomorrow or @ari

I apologize for being dismissive and mean.

What
Ok let me rephrase that: she cares about the impending flip. Quite a lot even, she's gone through a whole range of emotions up and down in the last few days, up to and including being exasperated and losing patience like at least twice

However: she's not taking critical action imo to prevent this from happening. This is the differentiator between town and scum imo. Scum would be trying more to make this not happen

And what i meant by swing voters: the people on neither her nor vpb's wagon. She's not appealing to them. She knows how to count, they're critical players in getting to 5 either way.
That's what i mean by: accepting the impending flip

I dont really know how else to explain this
I dont think we're going to see eye to eye
And think this is probably a mistake
Idk if vpb gets to 5 votes either so yeah

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Ok
Maybe i'm horribly pocketed
I dont see myself voting prism outside of needing to move the game along, and prefer vpb

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Balter -> dwlee -> ceph

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Balter -> dwlee -> ceph

I was saying after prism-town

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Balter -> dwlee -> ceph

Skitter if I did a full breakdown of every single Prism post would you actually read it or would I be wasting my time?

I would actually read it if you wrote it most probably but despite that i think it would be a waste of time even if you did read it

No offense but i dont think this game is worth the like 6 hours it would take you

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Balter -> dwlee -> ceph

I was saying after prism-town

Flip me and then ceph probably

Why
Also enjoy your long weekend and your guests

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Sorry to be clear i dont think you should make such a post @ari

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If Prism flips town I'm sheeping her on Ari/Fire

That's not even what she's pushing?

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Ah fair enuf
Also i echo what prism said about it just being a game ^

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Ok
I dont think i have much else to say at this time then

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vla friday and saturday

Wont have internet access

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I'll vote prism if necessary but, like, unhappily
If that's what we're doing i need to do it in the next 10 hours or so before vla

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I'm p confident i unvoted at some point yesterday

A lot townier since the hood revelation

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We're ok with ending the day?

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We're ok with ending the day?

only if we are flipping prism

if you want to flip baltar let me write out my final thoughts on prism first because i wont be alive tommorrow

I've been worn down
I'll vote prism
But if this is town plz plz plz plz vpb -> dwlee/ceph

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VOTE: prism

See above + i am still paranoid of ari if this is town

@prism: Plz enjoy 'outside' and report back

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Thanks prism

~

Everyone going quiet now is somewhat disquieting ...

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Also i just want to generally say i wasnt really a fan of the overall tone from the past few days

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There's a decent chance i'm incredibly paranoid of u tomorrow in that universe given today ...

Also 2265 is really icky

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Revise to maybe vpb -> dwlee -> ceph

This was just really ugh

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I feel like i swapped ceph and dwlee at some point
I'm probably going to have to figure out if ari belongs in there too i guess

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Yeah i'm not really sure what to say to that, or if this is something i want to hash out rn

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Yeah i'm not really sure what to say to that, or if this is something i want to hash out rn

It is unfortunate that my prediction is proven immediately correct.

I'm somewhat struggling to word this even but i think i came across a lot more ominous than i meant

But i'm short on time today + this probably isnt the right venue so lets catch up in post

Plz enjoy 'outside' with your newfound freedom!

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I guess last scum is in hood, probably like ceph -> vpb
Probably not dats but honestly idk rn

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I thought pt cop was obvious in this setup, and that it had to be dwlee ...

Also lol at prism not even being ascetic

I thought scum had to be in the hood and that the most likely scum was ceph, but with the new revelation i suppose the potential scum has been expanded

Either way i shall start here for now
VOTE: ceph

Enchant what eas your result

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Eh fair it was you or dwlee since everyone else had basically claimed
But for some reason i thought dwlee was more likely

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Didnt absolve you of being scummy + i didnt know that you were, i only suspected + it wasnt at the top of mind for a lot of the day

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Dunno, once we established there was a hood it just seemed sort of obvious that a pt cop would follow given the mailman

Still think there's scum in your hood (technically + enchant hood but i dont scumread either of the people in that one)

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I wasnt * trying to figure out the pt cop * either

Like everyone claimed, if said pt cop existed there were only like 2 places if could be.

Keeping track of claims is not an inherently scummy activity

Pedit enchant what's your result?

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Like i said idk
When i add up 'hoods' + 'mailman' i just get 'pt cop'

And since fhere were only 2 unclaimed slots there were only two options

Its not something i like conciously dwelled on, but rather something i made a note of when the hood claimed and then it was nice to see i was right

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Sample Vanilla Townie:
37] At least one person will receive this PM.

As a related aside i realized i think this makes me town because i'm the only person claiming fo have received this role pm at this point >.>

5 people in hoods
Dwlee
Me

Pedit no

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Dunno, it just seemed obvious
Dont know how many other ways to say that

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Oh yeah i was gonna point that out too

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Sounds like traffic analyst false positive

This convo

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I dont think so, with prism being a neighborizer

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I still think scum neighborizer + scum pt cop / ta doesnt make much sense

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Well more just like what would the point of scum pt cop/ta be even? To find neighbors + mailman?

Whereas it makes sense that prism's role is a 'miller-creator' for dwlee

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Ok so i think we should be looking for scum in the big hood imo

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Mostly the former but also a dash of the latter (although tbf the latter is saying 'someone in a hood!!!1!' which can be anybody but me and dwlee and isnt narrowing down anything much)

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What's been happening in the big hood overnight + today?

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, and then i poked enchant/fire along those lines.

Sorry, what do you mean by this?

I still think fire is town, not really interested in flipping them today

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i have been referred to as relaxed yet sassy

Hmm, I don't remember you being sassy to me. I consider you almost too polite as town

The post that you're quoting *is* sassy >.>

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Ahhhhh i dont know what to do with that

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Ahhhhh i dont know what to do with that

It's a tactic of caught scum.

I feel like most scum are more, like, survivalistic tho
I still probably (?) want to flip him

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?

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Hope you get better soon, enchant

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Ahhhhh i dont know what to do with that

It's a tactic of caught scum.

I feel like most scum are more, like, survivalistic tho
I still probably (?) want to flip him

Idk, I'd be kind of defeatist if my buddy got limmed D1 in a micro. You basically need to survive like 3 or so days after that, which is going to be tough.

So i guess my problem with this is that i've seen scum-ceph stick it out and play p hard even when scum were losing p handily. Like he continued to *try* even tho scum were overall in a bad position
(See: radio buzz)

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If ceph is town how likely is it that vpb is going to get fire flipped tomorrow

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I really dont want to kill fire tho

I think we should flip through the big hood

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I really dont want to kill fire tho

I think we should flip through the big hood

skitter no offense but wtf lmao

But like why tho ...
Fwiw i'm p sure ari was townreading fire and felt ceph/vpb were the only viable partners

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Eh i should have worded that better
I think ceph -> vpb
Dats is probably town in that hood

But like i think vpb should get flipped way before fire does

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I mean, fine, @vpb if you're town what am i missing?
I think i'm always going to pick fire as town over you which makes me a little nervous abt the ceph-town universe

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@dats off the cuff my answer will probably boil down to something like that

I'll try to give a more thorough answer / using examples when i'm at a pc after work

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I mean, fine, @vpb if you're town what am i missing?
I think i'm always going to pick fire as town over you which makes me a little nervous abt the ceph-town universe

Hey @vpb in case you missed it

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I mean, fine, @vpb if you're town what am i missing?
I think i'm always going to pick fire as town over you which makes me a little nervous abt the ceph-town universe

Hey @vpb in case you missed it

What do you mean what are you missing? Happy to answer your question, just not following whatever you're asking.

i guess i meant: why should i be townreading you (bonus: why should i be scumreading fire)
cuz i scumread you a lot more than i scumread him so i'm kinda concerned that if ceph is town you're gonna get fire flipped tom

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no rush, i would appreciate that when you have time
i still owe dats an answer r.e. fire as well

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Ty vpb, i appreciate it! Will read through a little later

And when you have the chance, the bulletpoints fow why you're townie would be appreciated as well

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shuichi puts vp at e-1 in 2205. enchant immediately unvotes. skitter is present, asks if we're ready to end the day (implication being with a vp elim).

fwiw i actually was planning on voting prism here, and didn't mean to imply vp, but with this context, eod is certainly interesting

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I then camped my vote on there, even when I went VLA. There's just little about that suggests I was worried about surviving or about Prism not dying. A lot of time passed after that vote where I could have done anything else but have my vote there.

-Last reason I think I should be town read is that my reads have clearly changed over the course of the game, and appear to be sharp, especially my town reads. Let's not forget that if I was scum, I could have kept hammering your own wagon when it was large D1 and tried to power that through as Prism was trying to do. Instead, I said something smelled bad about it since it was so universally popular and I think my defecting played a significant role in its defusal.

i think that both of these points have some amt of merit (although tbf i cn imagine p easily scum reasons for behaving in these as well ...)

thanks for writing out these thoughts. briefly for fire i think you're presenting them in an uncharitable light tbh, by taking the worst possible explanation for a lot of their posts.
i'm going to write up a summary for why i think he's townie now

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ceph, uh, why do you want to get flipped again?

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fire: an analysis

1. i feel like his reads are nuanced with good trajectory, and aren't necessarily reads that scum would take at that time:

1.a. read on me - lowkey sus of me for most of day1, culminating in a vote on me in 1005, with ceph voting me independantly a couple of posts down. i react to pressure etc etc etc, and fire thinks i'm townie for it. he starts indictaing he no longer wants to vote, that i'm no longer his preferred flip, etc, eventually switching to a vpb vote in 1128. i'm not sure why scum-him backs off here in favor of vpb; i was under a fair amt of suspicion at the time (with three votes + prism threatening to vote) and there's no particularly reason why a vpb vote would be more advantageous for scum-him than staying on me at that time. this makes me think he genuinely was re-evaluating me and trying to determine my alignment

1.b. around the same time, his townread on ceph grew super strong, primarily for independantly coming to the same conclusion r.e. scum-me at the exact same time (they both posted cases within minutes of each other). i think that this is a townie thought process: it's townie to think that 'someone who's approaching the game similar to me' is town (1158)

2. generally making good observations indcating that he's thinking about the game / what other people are posting and what that implies about their alignments: 504, 1251/1256, 1431, 1558, 1881 / 1894 (this one's really townie: re-evaling on vpb upon learning about the existance of the hood and how that might shed light on his dats read etc given that he prior had problems with vpb's lack of explanation for his dats read despite having him as relatively strong town)

3. trying to understand other's pov, example: 1066, 1222 (while he scumreads you even!)

4. actually seems to care about the questeions he's asking; following up on people's responses and bugging people if they don't answer him: 1680

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i will agree that his lack of a firm stance on prism for a lot of the day isn't *great*, but i also don't inherently think it's scummy - prism is a good player and i can see people getting fooled (:blushes:)

also: ari thought he was town

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vp is spending hood time preemptively explaining why he will be keeping datisi in the lim pool indefinitely btw

This is an insane misrep

Well, what were u talking abt in the hood

Also are we like waitinf for something in particular at thia point?

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I mean there's a decent chance i wont be here tomorrow, which is why i'm kinda worried about that universe ...

Dats i think is a lot townier than you, so if ceph is indeed town i think we should do flip u first

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All neighbors except Enchant were Vanilla, and as such, could be effected by Prism's Simple Neighborizer and Enchants Bunyip protection.

Fwiw, I think that this is counterintuitive. Neighbor is a power role so I wouldn't consider the player vanilla.

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<3 ceph i'm sorry that this last day was so unejoyable for you

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thanks fl for modding!

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v. understandable, esp. after that first day
this was A Game certainly