Open 853 - PYP X/Y S_S [game over!]

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:08 am

The only way I intend not to vote Math or Ari is confirmation I am wrong.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:13 am

In post 2156, Harley Quinn wrote:
In post 2152, Titus wrote:The only way I intend not to vote Math or Ari is confirmation I am wrong.
Why tf would you vote Ari? She’s the main reason the HEM wagon even happened.

That was me.

They shot me bc I am right.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:14 am

Think the Math wagon was pure. He matched his scum meta. His posts today are omgus and setup spec.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:15 am

In post 2158, Harley Quinn wrote:
In post 2157, Titus wrote:
In post 2156, Harley Quinn wrote:
In post 2152, Titus wrote:The only way I intend not to vote Math or Ari is confirmation I am wrong.
Why tf would you vote Ari? She’s the main reason the HEM wagon even happened.
That was me.

They shot me bc I am right.
How do you know that was the reason for the no kill?

Because even Ari was resigned at EoD.

I am that confident in my answer.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:19 am

In post 2166, Bellaphant wrote:The math wagon is clearly not pure. Why would you want to drag us back to yesterday? Please don't do this to the thread.

Then who was scum on it?

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:22 am

In post 2169, Harley Quinn wrote:
In post 2162, Titus wrote:
In post 2158, Harley Quinn wrote:
In post 2157, Titus wrote:
In post 2156, Harley Quinn wrote:
In post 2152, Titus wrote:The only way I intend not to vote Math or Ari is confirmation I am wrong.
Why tf would you vote Ari? She’s the main reason the HEM wagon even happened.
That was me.

They shot me bc I am right.
How do you know that was the reason for the no kill?
Because even Ari was resigned at EoD.

I am that confident in my answer.
The HEM wagon literally started because Ari called HEM’s scummy bluff and that’s what led tp his wagon, so how tf is she ever scum here?

I seriously doubt scum!HEM and scum!Ari coordinated he’d be a d1 bus.

Fmpov, HEM took off bc my theory and Math was a town driven counter because we didn't want daystall and he was scummy AF.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:33 am

In post 2178, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2173, Titus wrote:
In post 2169, Harley Quinn wrote:
In post 2162, Titus wrote:
In post 2158, Harley Quinn wrote:
In post 2157, Titus wrote:
In post 2156, Harley Quinn wrote:
In post 2152, Titus wrote:The only way I intend not to vote Math or Ari is confirmation I am wrong.
Why tf would you vote Ari? She’s the main reason the HEM wagon even happened.
That was me.

They shot me bc I am right.
How do you know that was the reason for the no kill?
Because even Ari was resigned at EoD.

I am that confident in my answer.
The HEM wagon literally started because Ari called HEM’s scummy bluff and that’s what led tp his wagon, so how tf is she ever scum here?

I seriously doubt scum!HEM and scum!Ari coordinated he’d be a d1 bus.
Fmpov, HEM took off bc my theory and Math was a town driven counter because we didn't want daystall and he was scummy AF.
Except then you’re pushing the person who was scumread for freaking out we had a day stall?

Like Titus c’mon sis.

You’re better than this as either alignment

Then there's scum on your wagon. Who is it?

I can't see a pure town wagon on town with HEM.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 5:18 am

In post 2209, Dwlee99 wrote:Math initially thought I was scum because I sheeped Ari onto hem and now HEM flipped scum and math still thinks I'm scum

Math has setup spec, omgus, or sheep Ari. If he really thinks Implo scum, I fosed that early. Fake for him to have us both.

In the event Math is town, I go Implosion here.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 8:55 am

I don't get why this is so hard or why HQ suddenly changed her position. We had 4 or 5 on Math yesterday. None of those slots were scumread. Math hasn't made any real effort to townblock. He was willing to compromise on a townread which is a huge scumtell from him. His woe is me posting tone exactly matches a prior scumgame but for the volume. This tells me the setup was designed to make one look town if the other flipped. Math is notoriously hard to eliminate.

Obviously, we may see a PR claim or two but I really don't get why this is so hard.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 8:58 am

Ninjaed

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:06 am

In post 2311, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2305, Aristeia wrote:also does it make sense for Enchant to give us a hypo-cop result?

like hypothetically if he is ascetic cop, his investigation result last night is ____
I agree

I will give him cover even though I am not a cop
Everyone should do this.

If I am a cop my check was on StD

Not me because?

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:26 am

In post 2319, Roden wrote:
In post 2124, Enchant wrote:Also i think MATH is town.

So don't vote Math. Thanks.

In post 2146, Enchant wrote:I am not claiming anything.

In post 2147, Enchant wrote:Just thinking Math is town
I think unless Wallflower checks in and claims to have JK'd/RB'd Math, then Math and Titus are TvT. I say that because she's the only one left who hasn't checked in. It would make today super easy if she did block the kill, but if not it's looking like someone chose Doctor and saved someone. And in that case the Doc can conftown someone if necessary.

No way town math wouldn't check me.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:35 am

Do I even have to bother with the hypo claim?

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:36 am

In post 2328, Ausuka wrote:I'm so confused about this claims thing LMAO are we like massclaiming JK/rb and not that

Sorry if I missed a post

Massclaiming if we got cop who we checked.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:42 am

In post 2332, Aristeia wrote:
In post 2329, Titus wrote:Do I even have to bother with the hypo claim?
i mean you can always not

That was sarcastic. It would be obvious based on my play.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:02 am

In post 2338, Aristeia wrote:plus scum are informed and not multi-tasking so if its solo scum our neighborizer becomes a friendly neighbor essentially

How on this part?

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:02 am

In post 2336, Aristeia wrote:actually I might be open to flipping Enchant today since he cant hide behind his bullshit tunnel on me anymore and he obviously survived the night

You've been trying to policy Enchant since D1

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:06 am

In post 2341, Aristeia wrote:if there's one scum left and there's a nightkill, and the neighborizer neighborizes someone

then the neighborizer becomes conftown because scum neighborizer can't neighborize and nightkill on the same night

Ahh got it.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:24 am

In post 2349, Aristeia wrote:titus just thinks she was shot because she thinks she's right

but i know she's wrong so she probly wasn't shot

Gee my third suspect knows I am wrong. What a shock

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:33 am

I did leave open that possibility but your stauch defense of obvscum comes from nowhere and I can't see what it's based on.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:35 am

Clue a sister in?

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:39 am

In post 2355, Save The Dragons wrote:i mean i believe she believes mathblade wouldn't act like this as scum i think that's a reasonable opinion to have i just disagree with it

What is that based on? It's one thing to disagree but it needs a basis to do so.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:47 am

After 1575, I gave Ari concrete data showing the data matched and Ari didn't address it at all. Instead she pushed Implosion. Ari is literally trying to excuse the absence of aggressive Mathblade behavior by saying it fails solely because she's in the game. She's the only one who can persuade Math to abandon a tunnel. She's the only one who can scare town!Math that he doesn't play to his meta. I can't see town!Ari having that level of hubris.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:59 am

In post 2365, MathBlade wrote:Yes she has that hubris and earned it on another game

Then why isn't she displaying it?

Why isn't her hubris leading her towards the very meta she cited?

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:02 pm

In post 2374, Aristeia wrote:
In post 2362, Titus wrote:After 1575, I gave Ari concrete data showing the data matched and Ari didn't address it at all. Instead she pushed Implosion. Ari is literally trying to excuse the absence of aggressive Mathblade behavior by saying it fails solely because she's in the game. She's the only one who can persuade Math to abandon a tunnel. She's the only one who can scare town!Math that he doesn't play to his meta. I can't see town!Ari having that level of hubris.

like you're telling me

that town!mathblade won't change his mind on a townread ever

therefore he's scum

and I'm telling you, I've literally made town!mathblade change his mind on a townread.

He can change his mind. He never votes a townread but for like hammer to stop no lim and I don't even recall him doing that.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:26 pm

In post 2380, Aristeia wrote:maybe i'm too tunneled on town!mathblade

if anyone wants to make a case for why this is scum mathblade I will read it

Spoiler at EoD1

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:27 pm

In post 2379, Roden wrote:Check you with what? Cop?

Right

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:33 pm

In post 2391, Roden wrote:
In post 2383, Titus wrote:
In post 2379, Roden wrote:Check you with what? Cop?
Right
Ah, well he most likely isn't Cop, or a PR at all tbh since he's at the bottom of the draft. But yeah I agree that he always checks you in that situation.

Why did you think you were shot?

In a bit of arrogance, because my solve is right at least on Mathblade and Ari or my only two other compromise slots contain scum. Most likely my theory is just right and scum know I am a dog with a bone.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:33 pm

In post 2392, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2389, implosion wrote:Actually it's jailkeeper and doc/rb so I guess it's possible to get low ambiguity. But still, I don't think there's much need to claim right now.
No one has claimed invests messed up or anything of the sort

So it is extremely likely doc saved the kill.

So then if a RB or JK doesn’t claim we just all hypo doc

If I am protective (I know I claimed VT but play along) I protected Ari

We aren't doing this.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:36 pm

People can discuss. We aren't outing like half the PRs when scum can use that to solve when there's too many possible. Plus scum may know what to fake.

Hypo cops cover enough for docs as well.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:38 pm

Who would you like to discuss Math? I offered you an inivitation to highlight scum on your wagon if not me. I'm willing to discuss any read in the game.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:41 pm

Oh Math, what did your slot pick btw? No one can come along behind you and it's protown to tell us what must be in the game.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:45 pm

In post 2400, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2399, Titus wrote:Who would you like to discuss Math? I offered you an inivitation to highlight scum on your wagon if not me. I'm willing to discuss any read in the game.
Asuaka what’s your read on them?

And I disagree on hypo doc but whatever

Town based on 1.04 to 1.05. Scum with HEM don't bail on a counter wagon to scum to try and start another generally.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:46 pm

Doubly so when that scum is an early voter on your partner.

HQ and Gamma reads

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:54 pm

In post 2408, MathBlade wrote:I don’t get the first sentence

Asuka doesn't abandon a large counterwagon on HEM. Doubly so when that counterwagon is the main person voting her partner. It lessens the discredit potential by having a smaller wagon.

I want more on Gamma. That's a nothing burger read.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:58 pm

If I am wrong on your wagon Math, the only slot that really makes sense is StD.

Talk about your read there please.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 1:12 pm

I'm not screaming right now. I'm trying to have a conversation with you to try and reset my own way. I'm not getting much to work with though.

You gave me a "nothing scummy" in Gamma's posts. While I agree he's town, that doesn't help me sort you.
I gave you a read on your wagon supposing you were town, and you basically told me to fuck off.
You HQ read was essentially that she defended you.
Your Ausuka thoughts were only to say my interpretation could be wrong.

I need something to show you're hunting or to have a conversation. There's VCA data for you to use. Please show something.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 1:13 pm

In post 2414, Aristeia wrote:
In post 2411, Titus wrote:If I am wrong on your wagon Math, the only slot that really makes sense is StD.

Talk about your read there please.
what about implosion?

he literally unvoted HEM and was preparing to vote for mathblade..

I'm open to it if there's a good reason to TR Mathblade.

Implosion/StD actually might be a thing if Math is town.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 1:47 pm

In post 2419, Roden wrote:
In post 2393, Titus wrote:
In post 2391, Roden wrote:
In post 2383, Titus wrote:
In post 2379, Roden wrote:Check you with what? Cop?
Right
Ah, well he most likely isn't Cop, or a PR at all tbh since he's at the bottom of the draft. But yeah I agree that he always checks you in that situation.

Why did you think you were shot?
In a bit of arrogance, because my solve is right at least on Mathblade and Ari or my only two other compromise slots contain scum. Most likely my theory is just right and scum know I am a dog with a bone.
Do you believe that if one of them is scum, they always shoot you last night? What are the chances of WIFOM there? Does it make much sense to keep you alive to make you doubt your read on them?

If Math is scum, yes. Math knows that I will demand more than he is capable of as scum. Is there a possibility he's town. Yes. But given he matches his scum meta and can't support any of his reads, I don't see why to change. The policy lim threat on me is a bonus.

I want to see some dialogue from him if he's town. I don’t see how a conversation is "hoop after hoop". Town!Math would love engaging on VCA but just isn't giving it to me. Instead he whines that I'm spamming.

I'm trying to give him every opportunity to explain reads in a conversational fashion. A readwall with reasons works too if he'd rather keep the post count down.

I just need something.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 1:56 pm

In fact, if I give Math what he wants, that actually makes it easier to lim him because people won't view his lack of content as stress induced and have less sympathy for him. Posting a simple idea repeatedly causes people to entrench. If I was going to eliminate him without listening, I'd shut up after making my initial point. However, my initial point doesn't give him much to defend himself with and results in a tunnel fight. So I'm giving him every chance to put forth any intelligent, reasoned and non-OMGUS reads before I tune out.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 2:46 pm

In post 2429, Roden wrote:I claim Voyeur. Titus, I targeted you last night. Nobody else visited you last night, so if Math wasn't blocked in any way then he has to be town.

No. Even if I wasn’t shot, Math has a partner. However, your position makes sense.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 3:41 pm

In post 2460, Roden wrote:Math's partner doesn't shoot when Math is literally at the bottom of the draft and has to be a Goon. Unless the team is Oops All Goons lol.

Possible they are. It's also possible that Math was blocked. It's also possible that they felt someone would block Math.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 3:46 pm

Yeah Ausuka says Math is possibly town and then seeing your scummy opening makes sense to vote you.

A is cleared by VCA. Go elsewhere.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 3:47 pm

If you want to work together,

Implosion, StD, Wallflower are the only options that might work for us both.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 3:49 pm

In post 2480, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2478, Titus wrote:Yeah Ausuka says Math is possibly town and then seeing your scummy opening makes sense to vote you.

A is cleared by VCA. Go elsewhere.
I disagree that A is cleared by VCA

Then show your own. Let's have it out.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 3:51 pm

In post 2483, Aristeia wrote:
In post 2476, Titus wrote:Possible they are. It's also possible that Math was blocked. It's also possible that they felt someone would block Math.
it's literally impossible for mathblade to be blocked because Roden voyeured him and said no1 visited him

No. Roden voyered me.

Second, even if I misread that, scum could have felt Math was so scummy they had to kill themselves.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 3:52 pm

In post 2484, Roden wrote:What's scummy about STD?

VCA bad. I don't buy an all town counter on Math if Math is town. StD has the scummiest VCA out of the voters.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 3:56 pm

In post 2489, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2481, Titus wrote:
In post 2480, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2478, Titus wrote:Yeah Ausuka says Math is possibly town and then seeing your scummy opening makes sense to vote you.

A is cleared by VCA. Go elsewhere.
I disagree that A is cleared by VCA
Then show your own. Let's have it out.
All of A’s votes are literally in the case on her I just made (I think A’s pronoun is her)

She voted Ari at the start of the game
Then Dwlee later

She is doing literally nothing with her vote

She voted early. Ari wagon got to 3.

Then

HEM wagon started for the first time.

Then

Ausuka bails on the chainsawing wagon. That's not S v S behavior as that makes Ari look

less suspicious and viable as a wagon

. That

increases Ari's credibility on her HEM push

.

Ausuka is not scum.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:04 pm

In post 350, Datisi wrote:
vote count 1.04

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-06-14 01:30:00).

yeet
humaneatingmonkey [4]:
Aristeia, Roden, Dwlee99, Save The Dragons

Aristeia [3]:
humaneatingmonkey, Bellaphant, Ausuka

Enchant [1]:
implosion

Klick [1]:
Gamma Emerald

not voting [5]:
Harley Quinn, Malakittens, Enchant, Klick, Titus

mod notes~ this is a mod note.

flavour

In post 400, Datisi wrote:
vote count 1.05

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-06-14 01:30:00).

yeet
humaneatingmonkey [3]:
Aristeia, Roden, Dwlee99

Dwlee99 [3]:
Ausuka, Save The Dragons, implosion

Aristeia [2]:
humaneatingmonkey, Bellaphant

Klick [1]:
Gamma Emerald

Ausuka [1]:
Titus

not voting [4]:
Harley Quinn, Malakittens, Enchant, Klick

mod notes~ this is a mod note.

flavour

Talk about Bailing?

StD bails on the HEM wagon to vote Dwlee,

who is likely spewed town from the HEM flip

.

Moving further, next major event is I sub in and StD votes HEM as I fos HEM and Implosion.

In post 900, Datisi wrote:
vote count 1.09

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-06-14 01:30:00).

yeet
humaneatingmonkey [4]:
Dwlee99, Titus, implosion, Roden

Aristeia [3]:
humaneatingmonkey, Bellaphant, MathBlade

MathBlade [2]:
Gamma Emerald, Save The Dragons

Dwlee99 [1]:
Ausuka

not voting [4]:
Harley Quinn, Malakittens, Enchant, Aristeia

mod notes~ humaneatingmonkey v/la wednesday to friday.
~ Gamma Emerald v/la for a week.
~ dual mod iso.
~ this is mod note.

flavour

Mathblade comes up. StD votes him. He flirts back to HEM but comes back to Math.

If you want your scummy voter on you Math, this is it if you're town.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:07 pm

If I was distracted by Math stinking up the thread with melodrama, then it's likely Implosion and StD.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:16 pm

Can we just stop Math? You're spending 5 posts to say what can be done in one if you slowed down and organized your thoughts. Spoilers are your friends. You're not even willing to entertain the opinions of anyone else here.

I am meeting you half way by discussing worlds where you aren't scum. Anytime I try to talk to you, I get melodrama, grunts for reads or oppositional reads where you just push random people who have voted for you.

We can vote Implosion today since we both agree he's scum.

Then we can bitch about who we lim tomorrow.

Spoiler: possibilities

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:19 pm

Oh wow. I extend a frustrated olive branch and you don't want it solely because I do. Can you just knock it off already?

Pedit: Your consideration of Implosion got ninjaed.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:25 pm

In post 2512, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2511, Titus wrote:Oh wow. I extend a frustrated olive branch and you don't want it solely because I do. Can you just knock it off already?

Pedit: Your consideration of Implosion got ninjaed.
Your “olive branch” never was really extended

Instead of discussing my points you pick on useless bullshit and another invisible requirement

You had no interest of working with me or considering my content

I still think you’re scum and shut up on pushing you.

I don’t think this is town you

You were against implosion earlier and now all of a sudden for him

It stinks

I've had HEM and Implosion as partners almost immediately on subbing in. The only reason I ever backed off of Implosion was because of you. If you are not scum, Implosion and StD likely are.

We have discussed your content. Your quotes are discussion of Ausuka votes. Ari and I both explained to you that Ausuka isn't scum.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:27 pm

In post 2513, MathBlade wrote:You supposedly scumread both Ari and me yet you’ll do a wagon we both want?

No that doesn’t make sense.

I'm about theories. I have two competing theories.

1) You and Ari
2) Implo and StD

Either, you can vote my townreads and I eliminate you or we can agree. If you flip town, then I'll be able to get a scum. So frankly, I don't give a damn unless you have real good reasons.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:31 pm

In post 2519, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2517, Titus wrote:
In post 2513, MathBlade wrote:You supposedly scumread both Ari and me yet you’ll do a wagon we both want?

No that doesn’t make sense.
I'm about theories. I have two competing theories.

1) You and Ari
2) Implo and StD

Either, you can vote my townreads and I eliminate you or we can agree. If you flip town, then I'll be able to get a scum. So frankly, I don't give a damn unless you have real good reasons.
Or we eliminate you. I am okay with that

You won’t let me play and I am conf at this point so you are stopping me from playing the game

So if you’re not scum you might as well be

You can play. You have almost 200 more posts than the nearest player.

You aren't conftown. FFS.

Even if you are town, your reads are so easy to manipulate that everyone knows how to do it.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:32 pm

In post 2522, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: Implosion

If this gets to L minus 2, I'm "hammering".

Sorry HQ but we are not getting demotivated because Math can't spam what he wants.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:35 pm

In post 2526, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2524, Titus wrote:
In post 2519, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2517, Titus wrote:
In post 2513, MathBlade wrote:You supposedly scumread both Ari and me yet you’ll do a wagon we both want?

No that doesn’t make sense.
I'm about theories. I have two competing theories.

1) You and Ari
2) Implo and StD

Either, you can vote my townreads and I eliminate you or we can agree. If you flip town, then I'll be able to get a scum. So frankly, I don't give a damn unless you have real good reasons.
Or we eliminate you. I am okay with that

You won’t let me play and I am conf at this point so you are stopping me from playing the game

So if you’re not scum you might as well be
You can play. You have almost 200 more posts than the nearest player.

You aren't conftown. FFS.

Even if you are town, your reads are so easy to manipulate that everyone knows how to do it.
The reason I have that many posts is 3/4ths of them are responses to your bullshit like this one

I play conversationally with people

I literally cannot do that in this game with you posting something new I have to do every three seconds

Then, guess what. You don't have to interrupt everything I do. This isn't a fucking contest of wills. You ignore me. I ignore you, unless game health gets super bad or town are in actual danger.

This gamestate where you spam up a storm drives people away from the site.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:38 pm

In post 2528, Aristeia wrote:maybe it would be good if mathblade / titus take a short break so other people can post a bit <3 you both

Great. Maybe you can talk some sense into him that maybe playing "conversationally" means others need to talk and that he's impossible to sort when whining about lack of reads or trying to shove down the recent person to vote him.

Every single one of his reads voted him today. Ausuka wasn't even on his radar until she voted him.

This is unsufferable Math.

I long for the day of reasonable posting town!Math but I may be 40 before I see that.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:43 pm

In post 2537, Aristeia wrote:aww cmon he's just emotional sometimes - i think he does mean well.

i think we can get to a point where we can get you two to townread each other ^_^

I fight with my brother all the time too

*shrug* I've considered the possibility.

There are two worlds. If he wants my townreads, I have no qualms killing him since he makes games unplayable. If he's town, he can vote possible scum or back off for the same 24 hours he wants of me.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:45 pm

In post 2539, Aristeia wrote:i think he's said he'll back off if you back off let's just relax there's other people playing too ^_^

Then when he confirms he agrees, I'm gone.

But I don't want to hear any more nonsense from him when he gets back.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:46 pm

Hey, I know I tunneled on Math and Math's still likely scum, but technically Ausuka wouldn't have an absolute guilty.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:48 pm

In post 2612, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2609, Titus wrote:Hey, I know I tunneled on Math and Math's still likely scum, but technically Ausuka wouldn't have an absolute guilty.
Yep.

Can’t be as I am VT

I kinda read this as e scum gambit but that will resolve itself

*shrug*

No. If another doctor, rb, or bp exists, then they could intefere.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:50 pm

Ausuka has no reason to lie, but that doesn't mean an absolute 1 v 1.

Implosion with me?

Ausuka can just jail you if we're right or wrong.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:53 pm

There's likely no ccs before elo.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:03 pm

In post 2619, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2614, Titus wrote:Ausuka has no reason to lie, but that doesn't mean an absolute 1 v 1.

Implosion with me?

Ausuka can just jail you if we're right or wrong.
I don’t see the point honestly.

If Enchant confirms me as town, then we can take time and think about things

If not I am the best elim for town even though I am a miselim

So I kinda don’t want to compromise right now

Seriously. Just because it's my idea doesn't make it bad.

You just don't live until endgame. Force them to shoot Ausuka.

Work with me please.

VOTE: implosion

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:04 pm

If they don't you have evidence of your scum gambit.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:06 pm

If you insist, I'll make it painless as I can.

Then, I'll nail implo and StD if you're town.

If you're scum, I'm still getting Ari.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:08 pm

In post 2631, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2629, Titus wrote:If you insist, I'll make it painless as I can.

Then, I'll nail implo and StD if you're town.

If you're scum
, I'm still getting Ari.
I am insisting on enchant confirming me as town or not today.

Then tomorrow no you will not push Ari ffs

She’s like top tier town like fuck Titus

Reread the predicate clause.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:09 pm

In post 2634, MathBlade wrote:Like StD already crumbed his role and that is why I tr him so hard

No I won’t say what it is but he will be obvious by D4 or D5

So StD is a bad elim

StD is one slot above you....StD is very likely roleless. Please stop with mech.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:10 pm

VOTE: MathBlade

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:13 pm

In post 2639, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2637, Titus wrote:
In post 2634, MathBlade wrote:Like StD already crumbed his role and that is why I tr him so hard

No I won’t say what it is but he will be obvious by D4 or D5

So StD is a bad elim
StD is one slot above you....StD is very likely roleless. Please stop with mech.
No.

He legit got his role imho.

One hand
Math's crumb reading

Other hand
VCA (if Math town)
Mathematical odds
Math tunneling on town Ausuka
Math tunneling on town me

Like I just can't follow you there Math. Sorry.

Implosion's first as he needs to die by night 3 but no.

Titus · Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:14 pm

UNVOTE: Mathblade

Trying to make it painless since I think you've been scummy town that derailed the game because you weren't in control.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:28 am

I am ok with letting Math live, provided we lim Implosion.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:29 am

In post 2701, MathBlade wrote:Why BP over cop? That seems scummy

Wifom.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:30 am

Bp autoactivates...

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:33 am

Taking the nightkill and running a slayer's gambit are things Math. They only claimed to protect you. Like if you're town here, Enchant just lets your lim go through. Then they claim they must have been shot.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:45 am

Ari, if you think Math is town, then Enchant is almost certainly town as scum don't kill themselves.

Can we just lim Implosion together, mute Math and go on?

Hopefully a vig handles Math.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:49 am

Ari, if you're town, be rational about this.

Either a) Math was the nightkiller and/or b) Enchant was shot. To argue Math town while Enchant scum, it would have to be either 1) another pr has an explanation for a nightkill or b) Enchant's team deliberately no killed.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:55 am

In post 2730, Aristeia wrote:
In post 2727, Titus wrote:Ari, if you're town, be rational about this.

Either a) Math was the nightkiller and/or b) Enchant was shot. To argue Math town while Enchant scum, it would have to be either 1) another pr has an explanation for a nightkill or b) Enchant's team deliberately no killed.
we could have doc saved correctly too or mafia nokill

That's the 1 section or b. They're

possible but unlikely

.

Enchant knows you'll come after him if he claims bp.
Claiming bp fypov helps stop a misfade.

So scum Enchant does this because????

The only reason scum Enchant claims there is to save scum Math which isn't your worldview.

The other option is Math is that bad FoSing Ausuka that scum don't want to lose him.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:56 am

In post 2732, Aristeia wrote:like are we ever going to get to the point where we trust enchant to endgame?

As of right now, I trust him to elo minus 1 day +1 slot. That plus one slot may change based on if there's future claims.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:57 am

In post 2739, MathBlade wrote:Like what I am thinking is scum failed to kill Enchant

Are informed JK didn’t exist

So Asuaka claims jailkept on me knowing I’d be likely VT

Plothole Bella claimed JK and didn't get it. Bella plus Asuka is the only way Ausuka lies about getting JK.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:59 am

In post 2741, Aristeia wrote:
In post 2736, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2732, Aristeia wrote:like are we ever going to get to the point where we trust enchant to endgame?
Maybe

But we can sort Enchant when mass claim happens too

If no doctor has flipped or claimed then Enchant has to be town
by definition we have a doctor or roleblocker

no roleblocker has claimed

therefore we have a doctor

Or neither.

At least 2 people are outed vanillas and HEM is vanilla.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:02 am

In post 2746, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2743, Titus wrote:
In post 2739, MathBlade wrote:Like what I am thinking is scum failed to kill Enchant

Are informed JK didn’t exist

So Asuaka claims jailkept on me knowing I’d be likely VT
Plothole Bella claimed JK and didn't get it. Bella plus Asuka is the only way Ausuka lies about getting JK.
Fair and in that world Bella always goes first

Like I don’t get how Asuaka jails me at night though when her last read was a TR on me?

People don't play like you.
Right now, you have zero suspicion on Bella. You know Ausuka must likely be scum with Bella or not at all.

The flips change things for some.

Right now, I'd lim StD if I was queen. Meet me halfway.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:05 am

In post 2755, Aristeia wrote:also highly doubt she claims jk as scum in that spot she basically put a timer on her own life when scum need to go deep to win.

So Enchant puts a timer on himself to save town!Math?

These comments are why I can't clear you.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:06 am

In post 2759, Aristeia wrote:how does enchant put a timer on himself???

mafia cannnot shoot a bulletproof player

He gets eliminated before elo. Probably sooner unless we can show he's not vengeful.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:12 am

Part of me says we should just massclaim.

Start with the bottom and go PR or VT. Then claim top down. That will stop bad policy lims and give us like 4 town to work off of.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:16 am

If Enchant is vengeful, they should be exposed this way as we know someone above Math took vig/vengeful if Math is town.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:17 am

In post 2762, Aristeia wrote:we dont need to mass claim
enchant alrdy scumclaimed

Dude, Enchant townclaimed.

Second, if Enchant did scumclaim, knowing 100% Enchant is scum turns Ausuka into a cop.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:20 am

In post 2766, Aristeia wrote:why does it matter if enchant picjed vengeful??
that still makes him mafia

Massclaim might expose he did unless his partner tries to save him by claiming vengeful themselves.

Remember, if Math is town, there's an n3 vigvor vengeful.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:22 am

We can literally confirm Enchant here which leaves us with 3 almost certain town plus Math.

Beyond your strategy disagreement, I don't get the hold up.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:31 am

Let's just massclaim this out.

With Math, Ausuku, Enchant and Bella already on the table. There's not much left.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:33 am

If we start with the bottom and claim PR or VT and work our way up to the top, we can get confirmation of certain roles existing and where they are.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:33 am

So PR/VT bottom up, specific PR claims top down.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:37 am

I realized I should explain that.

A PR/VT from the bottom up prevents CCs from when scum want to counteract a PR in play. The PRs then go claiming from the top down.

A scum faking a PR runs the risk of someone higher up claiming their bullshit selection. A scum lying about their PR runs the risk of a VT countering saying "I'm higher up and didn't get it".

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:38 am

In post 2842, Harley Quinn wrote:
In post 2835, Titus wrote:Let's just massclaim this out.

With Math, Ausuku, Enchant and Bella already on the table. There's not much left.
What did Bella claim?

VT supporting Bella's claim exists

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:39 am

In post 2843, implosion wrote:I don't think Bella claimed but Roden did

I forgot Roden. That's 5 town claims.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:43 am

PR/VT Order
StD
Dwlee
Titus
Ari
Wallflower
Implosion
Gamma
HQ

PR claim order
Harley
Gamma
Implosion
Wallflower
Ari
Titus
Dwlee
StD

@Math, You're right. I made a typo.
You good with this massclaim order?

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:44 am

Harley, I made a specific order to force scum to real claim.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:52 am

In post 2852, implosion wrote:So I guess the idea is if scum are high in the draft, then fakeclaiming risks a CC from a PR below them, and if they're low on the draft... then what stops them from just like, fakeclaiming a different PR or something? Other people below them? Or like, committing to how many PRs total there are I guess?

If we are massclaiming then I'm not too worried about massclaim order tbh because I don't think scum have all that much to gain by making an out-there fakeclaim.

If scum low on the list try to fake claim a different PR, then they'll still have to prove it by any other means (good actions) odds of making it down etc.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:52 am

After the PR fullclaims, then the VTs announce who they support

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:53 am

In post 2856, implosion wrote:Or do just PRs claim? Do VTs also claim their draft picks?

Only PRs do.

Then after the PRs then the VTs claim.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:54 am

In post 2858, Harley Quinn wrote:
In post 2850, implosion wrote:for a second i was trying to cross reference titus's order with the player list instead of the actual draft order and i was about to cry havoc lol
Oh so that’s why, still bad idea. The claim order should be based on consensus trs first etc.

Dwlee should go last and me anf Gamma be 3rd or 2nd last.

Normally, I agree but this setup makes it really hard for scum to lie.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:54 am

In post 2861, implosion wrote:Before we do start a massclaim I want to make sure people more broadly are on board with it though since e.g. Ari objected earlier

Fair.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:55 am

In post 2864, Harley Quinn wrote:
In post 2854, Titus wrote:
In post 2852, implosion wrote:So I guess the idea is if scum are high in the draft, then fakeclaiming risks a CC from a PR below them, and if they're low on the draft... then what stops them from just like, fakeclaiming a different PR or something? Other people below them? Or like, committing to how many PRs total there are I guess?

If we are massclaiming then I'm not too worried about massclaim order tbh because I don't think scum have all that much to gain by making an out-there fakeclaim.
If scum low on the list try to fake claim a different PR, then they'll still have to prove it by any other means (good actions) odds of making it down etc.
Oh I see but consider this. If we do it my way, we can hopefully catch scum fakeclaiming, no?

My way is better as PRs can cc VTs and VTs can CC PRs and PRs can CC each other. There's only the informed safeclsim.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:56 am

Even then, a VT can say there's scum in the slots above me because X wasn't claimed.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:06 am

@HQ Category works great. Specific role not needed until absolute end.

1) PR/VT bottom up.
2)PR category claim top down.
3) VT support claims and categories plus FoSes.

So StD is up PR or VT.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:18 am

In post 2877, Harley Quinn wrote:I understand Titus’ point but what’s stopping a scum pr from just claiming vt right? Let’s say scum hypothetically picked something like draft cop, why couldn’t they just lie and claim vt? But if we do it in the order of consensus trs, then prs can hopefully catch scum.

A scum can claim a PR, but said PR must exist in the setup and be plausible to claim that far down.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:19 am

In post 2879, Aristeia wrote:actually scum probly know if there is a doc or not

Right and this should nail your Enchant theory if correct as Math has claimed a n3 vig or vengeful must exist.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:21 am

In post 2883, Aristeia wrote:why would we out the doc to nail enchant

Because Asuka becomes a cop, scum can't fake a PR to suit the situation.

If Enchant is lying, he's likely vengeful. It won't exist in the slots above him.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:26 am

In post 2892, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2888, Save The Dragons wrote:why wouldn't i just claim N3 vig
As I said I think if you’re scum you’re doing the kills

Math he's not claiming the vig. Let it go.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:26 am

In post 2896, Aristeia wrote:
In post 2889, Titus wrote:
In post 2883, Aristeia wrote:why would we out the doc to nail enchant
Because Asuka becomes a cop, scum can't fake a PR to suit the situation.

If Enchant is lying, he's likely vengeful. It won't exist in the slots above him.
if enchant is vengeful that means every town slot below him didnt pick cop...

And we'll see that.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:27 am

I wouldn't be pushing this if I didn't think it would net a scum.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:28 am

In post 2900, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2867, Titus wrote:Even then, a VT can say there's scum in the slots above me because X wasn't claimed.
I'm thinking the PR/VT claim order can be the reverse draft list and the full claims can be based on consensus reads
thoughts?

Not ideal but still works as long as VTs keep their mouths shut about categories until all PRs have claimed.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:28 am

In post 2902, Harley Quinn wrote:
In post 2889, Titus wrote:
In post 2883, Aristeia wrote:why would we out the doc to nail enchant
Because Asuka becomes a cop, scum can't fake a PR to suit the situation.

If Enchant is lying, he's likely vengeful. It won't exist in the slots above him.
No one has cc’d him and I still don’t understand why you thought you were shot? I thought you were actually softing bp before Enchant claimed it.

Because I am an arrogant woman

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:34 am

The only reason someone withholds a category is they're scum banking no one else took it.

Let's just wait on Dwlee PR or VT

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:38 am

In post 2913, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2910, Save The Dragons wrote:
In post 2907, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2888, Save The Dragons wrote:why wouldn't i just claim N3 vig
idk if it was the case when you clarified for math but he said his pick was vengeful and he didn't get it
that means it's known to be someone else if it's not you, so faking it would be foolish
i think math is saying I am the N3 vig and not claiming it for ??? reasons unless i'm mistaken
I am saying both.

I know from being VT an N3 vig or vengeful exists.

If this pairing isn’t claimed then scum have it

Based on your pew pew pew posts it makes sense to be you.

But in the rare case you’re VT it still exists

Great. We come back to this

after the PRs have all claimed

.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:38 am

In post 2916, Save The Dragons wrote:did you want my pairing? i thought that was later but i can give it now

No.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:41 am

In post 2921, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2919, Titus wrote:
In post 2916, Save The Dragons wrote:did you want my pairing? i thought that was later but i can give it now
No.
I thought that’s what you asked for

No

1) Claim PR or VT bottom up
2) PRs claim categories top down (but I wouldn't object to consensus first)
3) VTs claim categories

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:47 am

In post 2925, Harley Quinn wrote:We should have nonconsensus slots claim and then PRs can cc them if they’re lying. I don’t see how that’s not the best outcome for town? Don’t put tprs in possible danger and only if nonconsensus trs lie, then cc.

Because this way eliminates scum in "consensus TRs". Scum are informed.

I spent a lot of time on this. If you trust me, trust my mechanics.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:51 am

In post 2928, Harley Quinn wrote:I don’t think we should help scum to know where to shoot.

I understand that but we already have 2 high value TPRs on the table. I suspect, we have at least one more. There's too many "high value" targets.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:59 am

In post 2930, Harley Quinn wrote:
In post 2925, Harley Quinn wrote:We should have nonconsensus slots claim and then PRs can cc them if they’re lying. I don’t see how that’s not the best outcome for town? Don’t put tprs in possible danger and only if nonconsensus trs lie, then cc.
So what’s wrong with this idea then? It helps sort the nonconsensus trs but doesn’t put possible consensus tprs at risk. If scum can’t tell apart the consensus vts from the consensus tprs then in what world does this not make sense?

I don't even follow what you're saying.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:10 am

In post 2937, Harley Quinn wrote:
In post 2931, Aristeia wrote:outting doctor is a terrible idea with a claimed jker
+1

For all we know, maybe neither doc or rolecop even exist but what if there is one? Well we’ve just in essence put a bounty on their head even if they only claim the category. Does anyone seriously think that if that category even exists and is town, scum won’t shoot there first?

Guess what, if that happens, we get more info and the moment we lim a second scum, it turns Ausuka into a cop. Asuka is much more powerful than a doc and can just heal Auska.

If there is no doctor, then we know that Math can only be town if Enchant is town.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:15 am

In post 2942, Harley Quinn wrote:
In post 2938, implosion wrote:yeah if we're massclaiming we should massclaim... if not we shouldn't. This is why I wanted to wait for more consensus. I guess trying to get any real consensus on anything at all in this town is like asking a giraffe to do algebra though
I don’t even understand why it’s necessary unless someone is lying and it doesn’t look like any pr claims aren’t legit.

That's precisely why we are massclaiming. The PR claims on the table means about half of the town is already claimed.

We get knowledge from if a doctor exists or doesn't.

Mechanics and votes are what I do. Please trust me.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:18 am

This is literally beyond frustrating. I am outvoted but this is totally gamebreaking if we massclaimed my way.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:27 am

I'm half convinced it's Ari plus Math again.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:30 am

In post 2956, Harley Quinn wrote:
In post 2954, Titus wrote:I'm half convinced it's Ari plus Math again.
Titus do you think my plan has merit? I don’t see why it’s not the best solution. here?

Math is right. Half and half is bullshit.

My plan or my plan with Gamma's modification or none.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:31 am

If Math and I agree on something mechanical, regardless of his alignment, it's likely true.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:56 am

In post 2971, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2970, Harley Quinn wrote:
In post 2966, Ausuka wrote:Maybe it's hypocritical since I already claimed but I don't really see the need for massclaim here, we out our remaining PRs without much direct benefit seemingly
I also wonder that unless someone picked a really scummy pr then does it necessarily tell us anything about their alignment especially if we go in order?

If someone claimed something suspicious and no bp doesn’t qualify, why wouldn’t they just claim vt right?
They could but then if a VT comes along that says that category they could be busted

That’s why I could see it working but I think how Titus is pushing for it so much makes me not want it

This is why we cannot have nice things.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:58 am

Meh

VOTE: Mathblade

I'm just done.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:54 am

*eyeroll* Math, I try to save you if you're town and you literally object because it's me proposing it.

Like I don't know what to do with you.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:28 am

In post 3002, MathBlade wrote:
In post 3000, Titus wrote:*eyeroll* Math, I try to save you if you're town and you literally object because it's me proposing it.

Like I don't know what to do with you.
I am a fuckin VT

We don’t “mass claim” to save me

If you believe I am town you argue it

We don’t chop off the right arm to save a toenail.

I don’t think you’re town because almost everything from the word go has been terrible to me

I'd do almost anything to break a game my way but if you'd rather fall on the sword and get out of the way so I can do it tomorrow, be my guest.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 1:51 pm

Come on. Can we knock it off. 5 pages at least while I am shopping for work. I won't be able to keep up.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:00 pm

UNVOTE: Mathblade

Math please for the love of goodness, you're discrediting yourself.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:01 pm

Can we massclaim now?

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:17 pm

Ari, your plan supposes you are right.

I will follow along with your plan after massclaim unless massclaim nets us a scum.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:22 pm

In post 3236, Harley Quinn wrote:Math is locktown, he would never self-vote as scum unless he was being run up and there was no hope. This is 100% obvtown!Math. Anti-survivalism is his #1 towntell.

Everyone unvote Math.

I will vote him for sanity. Don't get me wrong, I suspect he is town but he will not let us play the game.

There's a point of being insistent on your reads but it can't come at the expense of everyone else playing the game.

Ari didn't want to out the doctor until she saw she wasn't getting her way on Enchant.

Math fought to survive until he saw the people he wanted limmed weren't going to be limmed.

Gamma is the only one trying to work with people here.

Everyone else wants choices made without complete information.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:24 pm

I'm perfectly down to have a mechanics discussion after we force scum to put their cards on the table.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:25 pm

In post 3244, Aristeia wrote:
In post 3240, Titus wrote:Everyone else wants choices made without complete information.
because it's literally anti-town to tell scum where the doctor is

Well we have. So can we massclaim now?

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:43 pm

Enchant	1	BP
Ausuka	2	JK
Harley Quinn	7
Bellaphant	9	VT confirming Ausuka
Gamma Emerald	14
implosion	16
Malakittens	216
Aristeia	512	doctor
humaneatingmonkey	800	goon
Titus	9999
Dwlee99	4
Roden	4	voyeur
Save The Dragons	8	VT
MathBlade	8	VT confirming either n3 vig or vengeful is present

night 3 vigilante	or	vengeful	Should be present
1-shot vigilante	or	2-shot PGO (active)
ascetic cop	or	bulletproof	Enchant
draft cop	or	1-shot watcher
doctor	or	roleblocker	Ari
universal backup	or	rolecop
neighborizer	or	voyeur	Roden
jailkeeper	or	tracker	Ausuka

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:45 pm

Dwlee, if you claim PR or VT then I will. Let's get this game moving rather than people just telling each other how to play.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:46 pm

In post 3273, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 3272, Titus wrote:Dwlee, if you claim PR or VT then I will. Let's get this game moving rather than people just telling each other how to play.
There's no need to

Yes. It literally breaks the game at this point.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:48 pm

In post 3277, Dwlee99 wrote:Is anyone okay with enchant endgaming? I don't understand why we had to out a bajillion roles for this and why people want MORE claims

I want to break the game open now that almost all the powerful roles claimed to get their way on a lim, let's get something useful out of it rather than just yelling at each other.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:49 pm

I agree with HQ on Enchant for the record but want to test to see if I am wrong.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:50 pm

Dwlee, please. How many setups have you seen me break?

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:51 pm

In post 3286, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 3280, Harley Quinn wrote:Scum doesn’t put themselves at that kind of risk when they have no reason to do so. Enchant wasn’t in any danger prior to his claim and I can understand the push on him prior to Math obvtowning but obvtown!Math means Enchant is also town. I recently played a game with scum(Enchant and he only cared about his buddies, Scum!Enchant doesn’t WK Mathtown and put himself at risk like this.
But Enchant was FORCED to claim

He didn't do it out of the goodness of his heart but I've seen two people in five minutes implying he chose to claim when he did

3 me HQ and Gamma

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:52 pm

Like literally, I can plan out this game if we give me the tools to do so rather than yelling when people have made up their minds.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:53 pm

In post 3295, MathBlade wrote:
In post 3292, Aristeia wrote:why are we trying to get to elo instead of trying to win the game
I am trying to win the game by proving Enchant town

You don't do that when you can't talk.
People are dug in and don't want to do it anyway.

Can you please stop imploding and shut up?

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:55 pm

Please please please can we not mention Math or Enchant. People are talking at each other not to each other. People's minds are made up.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:56 pm

In post 3310, MathBlade wrote:
In post 3302, Titus wrote:
In post 3295, MathBlade wrote:
In post 3292, Aristeia wrote:why are we trying to get to elo instead of trying to win the game
I am trying to win the game by proving Enchant town
You don't do that when you can't talk.
People are dug in and don't want to do it anyway.

Can you please stop imploding and shut up?
As I said only if we aren’t elimming Enchant

Otherwise elimming me is the lesser of two evils

There's four slots that say no. Me Gamma You and HQ.

That's enough.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:58 pm

HQ Gamma, who are we eliminating?

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:00 pm

In post 3315, Aristeia wrote:i am so glad i am probly getting shot tonight this game is painful

I agree there. Too many chefs trying to force their way.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:03 pm

Dwlee, please can you claim PR or VT so we can keep going? I am sick of Enchant discussion.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:05 pm

In post 3327, MathBlade wrote:
In post 3322, Aristeia wrote:if enchant claims ascetic cop

it looks very shady if he lives to d3/4 because why is scum letting him live

and also he has to keep giving us inno results

if enchant claims bulletproof

its not surprising at all when he lives during the night

and he doesnt have to give us shit
You’re pushing this way too hard to be town

You’re contradicting yourself earlier

The loss is too damn big for town enchant

I will do anything and everything to stop you

If you want enchant you vote me

Math, you're contributing to an unfun environment. Somethings are worth more than winning.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:06 pm

In post 3329, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 3325, Titus wrote:Dwlee, please can you claim PR or VT so we can keep going? I am sick of Enchant discussion.
In 1-4 sentences explain how claiming will make this easier to solve

We have nearly all the obvtown claimed. We force scum to claim in order to stop anymore bullshit and mechanics for 5000 more posts.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:06 pm

In post 3332, MathBlade wrote:You think I am having fun stopping a game throw?

No.

This is literally the only thing I can do

Or you can have fun....

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:08 pm

In post 3336, MathBlade wrote:It’s a very simple explanation only scum Ari and scum Dwlee don’t fucking get.

Math, just because people disagree with you doesn't make them scum.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:11 pm

Ari Math stop it PLEASE! You aren't convincing each other and demotivating everyone else.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:12 pm

In post 3351, MathBlade wrote:
In post 3340, Titus wrote:
In post 3336, MathBlade wrote:It’s a very simple explanation only scum Ari and scum Dwlee don’t fucking get.
Math, just because people disagree with you doesn't make them scum.
You’re right

They’re scum because you caught them on D1

And Ari is desperate

No. My Ari read depended on you being scum. It was a package deal.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:13 pm

In post 3353, Harley Quinn wrote:
In post 3336, MathBlade wrote:It’s a very simple explanation only scum Ari and scum Dwlee don’t fucking get.
They’re not scum just have a different take. Rereas HEM interactions with both, he was clearly trying tp get them both miselimed to save himself, then he just gave up.

You me Dwlee Gamma Math Ausuka Bellaphant Enchant Ari

Decent townblock for today?

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:14 pm

In post 3356, Titus wrote:
In post 3353, Harley Quinn wrote:
In post 3336, MathBlade wrote:It’s a very simple explanation only scum Ari and scum Dwlee don’t fucking get.
They’re not scum just have a different take. Rereas HEM interactions with both, he was clearly trying tp get them both miselimed to save himself, then he just gave up.
You me Dwlee Gamma Math Ausuka Bellaphant Enchant Ari

Decent townblock for today?

Mb forgot Roden

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:15 pm

Math, what is your towblock that you're absolutely going to spam down?

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:17 pm

In post 3364, Aristeia wrote:you guys should sheep me on enchant because it would be hilarious for mathblade to hard-defend two mafia players d1/d2

It would be. I just want to actually fucking play the game. So if you could help me get there by assisting me to scumhunt in my own way, that would be great.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:17 pm

In post 3366, MathBlade wrote:
In post 3363, Titus wrote:Math, what is your towblock that you're absolutely going to spam down?
What gets Enchant not elimmed faster? Answering or not answering?

Answering

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:20 pm

In post 3371, Aristeia wrote:
In post 3368, Titus wrote:
In post 3364, Aristeia wrote:you guys should sheep me on enchant because it would be hilarious for mathblade to hard-defend two mafia players d1/d2
It would be. I just want to actually fucking play the game. So if you could help me get there by assisting me to scumhunt in my own way, that would be great.
ok ill do anything you want for elimming enchant today <3

Then help me prove he's scum. If he's scum, I don't think he took bp at all. I'm a VT and my role is still open above me. I don't think anyone town above me takes it.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:22 pm

In post 3380, Aristeia wrote:
In post 3378, Titus wrote:Then help me prove he's scum. If he's scum, I don't think he took bp at all. I'm a VT and my role is still open above me. I don't think anyone town above me takes it.
I think enchant either took ascetic cop or he took BP or he knows it doesn't exist in this game

If Enchant is scum, my money's on the latter.

Regardless, I think we catch scum because they'd have to claim what I picked otherwise. My role doesn't make sense in 90% of town players. They'd pick another role instead.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:24 pm

Math, can you please shut up? I'm trying to talk with Ari to get through to her on why massclaim satisifies you both.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:28 pm

In post 3390, MathBlade wrote:Mass claim is bad

Gamma is flipping me no matter what

Massclaim would literally get you a non Enchant scum so what the hell are you objecting to?

Wallflower claim PR or VT

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:29 pm

In post 3393, Gamma Emerald wrote:Ari you are denser than a neutron star

Ty Wall

Gamma PR or VT

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:30 pm

Ty Gamma

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 4:15 pm

Limited access tmo.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 5:47 pm

I actually laughed. I knew you meant in jest.

In reality, n3 vig plus vengeful is one of those rare roles where the person who picks it high up has some 'splaining to do. If you wanted a one shot vig, then there's a vig shot that can be fired at any time in another category. Only if you have a control/impulse/nerd issue do you go for the n3 vig. Being at the bottom and attempting to take vengeful makes a fair amount of sense.

If no one claims the n3 vig/vengeful, it's likely Enchant who took it knowing he'd be eliminated anyway.

If someone else claimed it, we'd know why and they'd need to explain.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 5:51 pm

In post 3421, Aristeia wrote:ok I guess that makes sense but if a scum took vengeful dont they just claim VT how do you even find them

I'll answer that if no one claims it.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 5:51 pm

But we don't turbo lim Enchant. We go to the next phase.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:10 pm

In post 3421, Aristeia wrote:ok I guess that makes sense but if a scum took vengeful dont they just claim VT how do you even find them

Given the issue that no one is claiming the n3 vig, we should deviate from my suggestion.

We take the scummiest VTs and make them claim their categories and why.

Then, any required PRs claim. By required PR, I mean a PR that must exist for those VTs to exist.

If there's a VT without a dance partner and/or lacks a good reason, high odds they are scum. Furthermore, they must argue scum is above them. The higher up the fake VT claim the more likely it's bullshit.

We need Implosion, Dwlee, and Harley to claim VT or PR.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:40 pm

Again, this who shot whom discussion is pointless.

Let's just wait on HQ Implosion and Dwlee

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:44 pm

Dwlee PR or VT

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:49 pm

So now we have Implosion and HQ to claim PR or VT. If PR to specific n3 vig or not.

This will out Enchant as near probable scum and possibly catch the VT partner.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:50 pm

In post 3449, implosion wrote:hi i'm here.

does order matter or should i go

Please go now.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:51 pm

In post 3451, implosion wrote:PR.

Not n3 vig I assume right?

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:55 pm

Alright then. I'm going to suppose HQ didn't take n3 vig to move the game along.

No one supports Mathblade's claim.......but me. I picked n3 vig because I have nerd and impulse issues. The fact it was already gone made me suspicious. Unless HQ claims, there is at least one scum above me.

That means StD Roden Math and Dwlee has at maximum one scum.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:57 pm

Now we need Wallflower StD and Dwlee to reveal their choices and why they made them.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:14 pm

Correct.

That changes if HQ picked n3 vig in third slot or vengeful for some reason. HQ would be the only person who I might suspect would take vengeful so high up and be town but I highly doubt she would.

Now the reason we have the VTs go next in a place where we know there's a missing PR is that scum will know what PRs are in the game from any VT failures that happened. However, if a scum is hiding in the VTs then they won't know what PR to claim unless they copy someone else.

A claim of n3 vig/vengeful I would view as suspect.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:15 pm

In post 3462, Wallflower wrote:
In post 3456, Titus wrote:Now we need Wallflower StD and Dwlee to reveal their choices and why they made them.
I’m still waiting to hear from the mods what Mala chose

You weren't told this immediately?

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:18 pm

Math, who is the scum above me?

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:39 pm

@Dwlee99 In an ideal world, yes. However, HQ is pretty obvtown and I wanted to progress this along given her high position vig/venge is unlikely to be picked.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:44 pm

@StD, now please claim your category and why you picked it too.

Titus · Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:57 pm

Wallflower, when you get it from the mod, please tell us what category Mala chose

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Titus · Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:33 am

It probably is WF + Enchant. However, we should still finish the process. It could well be Ari healed a kill.

VTs claim the categories they tried to submit, starting with Wallflower.

Titus · Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:42 am

In post 3511, Harley Quinn wrote:
In post 3510, Titus wrote:It probably is WF + Enchant. However, we should still finish the process. It could well be Ari healed a kill.

VTs claim the categories they tried to submit, starting with Wallflower.
Why probably Enchant?

If Wallflower’s scum, her ISO looks like potential distancing with Implosion.

The lack of n3/vengeful claim.

Regardless of the partner, we don't need to rush. Wallflower needs to claim the category Mala tried to pick. Then the other VTs do. This has a remote chance of getting us scum.

Titus · Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:52 am

Enchant Wallflower makes sense bc scum don't send Enchant to do a kill last night.

Titus · Fri Jun 17, 2022 5:08 am

We need Dwlee and StD to confirm their choices.

Enchant is still the best mechanical flip. If Enchant flips vengeful then Wallflower is outed scum unless HQ or Gamma took BP.

If HQ Gamma nor Implosion took BP, then we know a scum at or above Wallflower.

Titus · Fri Jun 17, 2022 6:13 am

In post 3534, Save The Dragons wrote:i went for 1 shot vigilante

To be clear, you went for 1 shot vig/pgo not n3 vig?

Titus · Fri Jun 17, 2022 6:14 am

In post 3532, Aristeia wrote:titus what else do we need from mass claim?

Now we need Implosion then Gamma then HQ to claim categories.

Titus · Fri Jun 17, 2022 6:44 am

We need to know particularly if someone matches StD.

If no one matches StD, then we confirm two missing roles.

Titus · Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:55 am

HQ needs to claim role. Gamma needs to claim if he has a shot. If Gamma has a shot, he shoots whichever of Enchant/Wallfower we don't lim.

Titus · Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:41 am

In post 3573, Aristeia wrote:if we're undecided between enchant/wallflower

its always better to vote out wallflower first

because if we're wrong and she's a VT

then the mafia nightkill me or ausuka, and the UB becomes a doctor/jk

if we vote out enchant and he's town bulletproof

then we get another town bulletproof and thats like literally useless

In post 3574, Aristeia wrote:also im quite annoyed that enchant decided to pick a useless role can you tell

Normally agree but Enchant flipping n3 venge is essentially gg for scums.

Titus · Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:42 am

In post 3575, Aristeia wrote:waiting to see what Titus is going to do with the mass claim info

Already did. It confirmed fake claims above me. The vig leash and whatever HQ is are the last steps.

Titus · Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:43 pm

In post 3607, implosion wrote:Also worth saying: given draft cop/watcher wasn't claimed, either scum got it, or scum got either it or some other role as a fakeclaim with their informed modifier.

Or no one picked it

Titus · Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:47 pm

We leash the active vigs.
Roden visits one of the targets to confirm vigs are accurate and shooting in PoE.
Doc heals either JK or Roden. #wifom

Pools for vigs decided based on flip.
If we get a scumflip, doc must heal jk.

Titus · Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:51 pm

Enchant flipping scum confirms HQ and Ari as town in 95% of scenarios. Enchant's not likely to be shot and cannot be vigged.

StD Wallflower and myself to be vigged as VTs if Enchant town. Vig StD as priority.

If Enchant scum, jail me. Vig Wallflower and StD.

StD flip confirms missing 1shot vig claim.
We'd have certain roles confirmed not one shot vig reducing PoE.