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I kinda wanna say una was more capable than corwin probably isIn post 1843, Ausuka wrote:While this was a long time ago my instinct is that Unabombah's level of experience back then was similar to Corwinoid now
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what was his townplay like back then
Crescent's picture of corwin's abilities are based on a towngame so that should be a point of comparison
Crescent's picture of corwin's abilities are based on a towngame so that should be a point of comparison
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UNVOTE:
atp I think Crescent is town and she was just tunneling/tunneled on me there
atp I think Crescent is town and she was just tunneling/tunneled on me there
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Datisi is towm
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I feel like that Datisi read by Alex is a bit off but I do think the vote hopping specifically is a fair call out
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That would be basically mini 1838 on crackIn post 1928, Alexcellent wrote:I hope there are 2 ascetic millers in the game
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Yeah that jailer role has basically never appeared here. It’s appeared on my homesite tho lolIn post 1946, Crescent wrote:Bells hasn't even posted in 29 hours so that's a thing.
Speaking of role interactions though, my last game had a town power role that could effectively break other town power roles through interaction conflicts.
He could kidnap someone into a PT for 24 hours to interrogate them, then decided if he wanted to kill them or let them return to the game. He targeted the guy who gave pineapples to everyone who targeted him, but his role didn't get a pineapple because of the whole kidnapping thing.
The pineapple giver basically spent 4 days screaming about that pineapple that the other guy was insistent he never received.
"Kekeke".
srsly where tf did you play before?
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My homesite is the starmen.net forums. Way better community than GameFaqs.In post 1950, Crescent wrote:I hosted that game. As far as I know that role had never appeared there before. It was a funky design and scum kept stacking misplay after misplay. They had a single unblockable EK that two of their three players could use, had two perfect opportunities to use it, and never did.
Town also had a super gimped doctor who claimed a flavor that was on scum's safelist day 1 as town vanilla, and scum just.. Ignored it. They didn't scan him nor shoot him. They then night 2 blind shot at the one player this guy will always save if he's protection and got their kill blocked.
One of them made a bad scanner claim and then effectively wasted it, too.
Comedy of errors that team.
Also, Gamefaqs. They've done a fantastic job at running all female members of the community off. Women have to work much harder to get anything done, and are often spited for actually putting that work in. In that last Kingmaker game, I had an early scum read on someone, and a newbie basically told me the equivalent of "shut up, the men are talking."
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It’s a rather niche site for a niche fandom yeah
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We await Bella to claim role
until she will, the game stands still
Currently we are in a hole
decided to write an Octarian Haiku
until she will, the game stands still
Currently we are in a hole
decided to write an Octarian Haiku
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idk, I'm just glad to get the reference
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Holy fucking shit Fenrir, your skull is denser than a neutron star
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Wait I thought JF was a neighbor for some reason, never mind
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At the very least she should have claimed pre-replacing out so we didn’t vote out a confirmable role!In post 1997, scamper wrote:I'm really, really mad about everything right now. why, why, WHY do you not just CLAIM instead of REPLACING OUT?
and what on earth was that vig shot?
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And who was this?In post 2029, Datisi wrote:i was originally planning to blast freedom because confirmed non-vt
but i think i recall pooky making a mafia traitor + 3 townies hood before, plus i did some Research and i thought freedom was town
so i just went for the next person i thought was scum
in retrospect, it obviously would've been better if i'd saved it but lole
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OhIn post 2021, Datisi wrote:well shitIn post 2014, Alexcellent wrote:Actually yeah, fuck it, probably is for the best rather than risking it on MyLo/LyLo
I'm VT
i can confirm that alex is vanilla (idk if he's a town one)
i was planning on claiming a guilty and seeing what he claims, but also i just woke up so rip
we doing the massclaim?
Also, VT
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ngl I think Ausuka accidentally spat fire with the “his role and Bella’s are town + scum counterparts”
I feel like his role would be designed to get a false clear from Voyeur via mailman action
Also think Ascetic makes sense to make it so the complex vig has someone scum it’d always work on given it’ll never kill the traitor
I feel like his role would be designed to get a false clear from Voyeur via mailman action
Also think Ascetic makes sense to make it so the complex vig has someone scum it’d always work on given it’ll never kill the traitor
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Just the OP, OF COURSE, mastina is primary reviewer
She consistently passes the most wild BS setups
She consistently passes the most wild BS setups
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I’ve read enough review PTs/post-game balance autopsies to pick up the balancers view any non-killing action by a scum as a “clear” to a follower/voyeur
(Well actually I just remember that logic from one particular game but I HAVE seen the design philosophy elsewhere)
(Well actually I just remember that logic from one particular game but I HAVE seen the design philosophy elsewhere)
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How about the fact that leaves 2 fucking VTs when typically in my exp the minimum tends to range out at 4
Turn on your fucking brain asshole
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Wait Crescent flipped VT
Still, 3 VTs is below the 4 VT threshold I believe exists
Still, 3 VTs is below the 4 VT threshold I believe exists
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WhereIn post 2097, Datisi wrote:i have seen 13p games with 2 vt's.In post 2095, Gamma Emerald wrote:How about the fact that leaves 2 fucking VTs when typically in my exp the minimum tends to range out at 4
Turn on your fucking brain asshole
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I’ve seen that mindset used in other multitasking games so it’s a real thingIn post 2096, Ausuka wrote:yeah town power is like. heavily in that 3 players can be confirmed and Roden can confirmed the vts. And then literally nobody got confirmed in reality lmao
Also why would that ever even be considered a clear in a multitasking game that makes no sense
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Idr the game link but there was a normal game I saw where a mafia fv in a multitasking game was included as a clear to iirc either a tracker or watcher
I recall mastina also having some involvement there
I recall mastina also having some involvement there
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What message did Ausuka send you Freedom?
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I’m the maflia
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I don’t think Johnny’s role is scum based on Corwin’s flip
I also don’t think he’s fake claiming
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I wanna say you might be breaking meta but I don’t think the person I’m basing my psych profile of this sort of play on (Koba) has ever called out effort level as a reason to TR them as scumIn post 2143, Datisi wrote:volume clear is when you clear someone because they're posting too much for their scumrange
i'd be efforting much more if i were scum here lole
i think my issue here is that nobody instinctually makes sense as scum. like, johnny does, but like he doesn't strike me as a type of scum player to come up with the claim he did come up, yknow. unless he's scum with like, idk, ausuka or something. and i don't wanna think about that
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StD was scripted because he revealed he was PRIn post 2145, Datisi wrote:In post 539, Roden wrote:I've seen scum!Datisi a couple times now and this isn't it. If you don't have much of an opinion on him then he's very likely town; he's generally high activity as scum and working hard to make people want to keep him around and empathize with him.lookIn post 1820, Save The Dragons wrote:eh maybe he's town i dunno. i think scum datisi would have more wall-y posts
do you think i make these kills at night
wake up sheeple
Idk what motivated the Roden kill
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My best guess atm is Ausuka/MarciIn post 2157, Datisi wrote:gamma, who is scum?
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I could explain the reason for that post you quoted but I also did so much earlier and idc to repeat myself rnIn post 2163, Ausuka wrote:Ok fuck it we need wagons and I like this
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I *really* don't like his progression on me - the focus on the me/bella read was super weird. he used it to shade us both, saying that one of us must be scum because we were 'buddying' each other. i haven't heard any sort of convincing reasoning as to why this might be and it seems like a massive stretch of a read, but one that would be quite useful to scum Gamma. it's similar to what he did pushing both crescent and shoshin early game.
I also think he's deliberately excusing this behaviour which advances scum wincon using self-meta. He brings up in 1772 that as scum he wouldn't use fence-sitting because it's against his meta. He also brought this up earlier in 574; he's clearly very aware of his 'scum meta' and I think is intentionally breaking it and then telling everyone he should be townread for that.
This post pings me tooIn post 839, Gamma Emerald wrote:I still think Marci is town here but I’m not interested in fighting basically the entire player list so instead you clowns can do whatever and I’ll say I told you so tomorrow
that's l2 probably idk
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VOTE: Ausuka
Something just clicked for me, I’m 100% on this read. Not that I expect to get him voted out but fuck it, legacy vote.
Something just clicked for me, I’m 100% on this read. Not that I expect to get him voted out but fuck it, legacy vote.
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There’s a particular reason I have strong feelings on this setup but I can’t really explain in a way that’d make sense. Otherwise, I am mostly just taking a stand because I feel like person-who-will-remain-unnamed probably has had historically good criticism of mastina setups but it’s never sank in for anyone because he’s the one saying it. Hopefully my voice while enact some recognition that mastina sucks at making normal games feel “normal”.
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I think Ausuka has been buddying not one but two townies: Bella and Datisi. I realized the Datisi part more recently via checking VCs, and seeing Ausuka and Datisi side-by-side on a LOT of them. Now, in my experience, this is NOT something scum partners regularly execute; instead if one part of this pair is scum the other is just agency captured town.In post 2187, Alexcellent wrote:@Gamma, what's your case on Ausuka? And why do you think Johnny's alignment is related to Corwin's flip?
As for Corwin’s flip impacting Johnny, I heavily doubt scum have both a Doctor and JK on the team. That would make the vigs near-useless. I have a baseline for this from a review of a large normal I designed so I can refer to that if needed. I also think his role has to exist since otherwise some other scum role had to have interfered with STD’s shot.
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How has his play been "crazy pro-town"?In post 2191, Alexcellent wrote:
I don't think Ausuka is scum. Or rather, only way I think Ausuka can be scum is if they're a mafia mailman and lied about the miller part, or it's Ausuka/Freedom. Which, either way, GG? Regardless of what Ausuka's claimed though I feel like their entire play up until now has been crazy pro-town and it's so hard to fake a lot of that content IMO.
Also I accused Ausuka over Datisi because I had previous thought Ausuka was possibly buddying Bella. So given one charge of buddying or two, I'm gonna suspect the person with 2.
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It's hard to explain in a way that effectively conveys the confidence in it but multiple points make me feel that strongly.
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idk maybe it'll look less like buddying if I ISO then together but I kinda don't give a shit to rn?In post 2210, scamper wrote:so your evidence that ausuka is buddying datisi is that...they were voting together? and this makes ausuka scum?In post 2189, Gamma Emerald wrote:I think Ausuka has been buddying not one but two townies: Bella and Datisi. I realized the Datisi part more recently via checking VCs, and seeing Ausuka and Datisi side-by-side on a LOT of them. Now, in my experience, this is NOT something scum partners regularly execute; instead if one part of this pair is scum the other is just agency captured town.In post 2187, Alexcellent wrote:@Gamma, what's your case on Ausuka? And why do you think Johnny's alignment is related to Corwin's flip?
As for Corwin’s flip impacting Johnny, I heavily doubt scum have both a Doctor and JK on the team. That would make the vigs near-useless. I have a baseline for this from a review of a large normal I designed so I can refer to that if needed. I also think his role has to exist since otherwise some other scum role had to have interfered with STD’s shot.
i'm sorry, i just don't find this convincing at all
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this honestly feels like you're mocking me, which like, fucking rude mate?
this honestly feels like you're mocking me, which like, fucking rude mate?
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You’re not this bad.In post 2246, Datisi wrote:hmmIn post 2244, Gamma Emerald wrote:-_-
this honestly feels like you're mocking me, which like, fucking rude mate?
In post 1171, Gamma Emerald wrote:echant is a loose cannon, maybe gain some fucking context!In post 1178, Gamma Emerald wrote:you're using low-effort axioms rather than actually thinking about what alex is posting
it could be a bus, anything could be a fucking bus! actually think about whether THIS is a bus you numpty!In post 2006, Gamma Emerald wrote:Holy fucking shit Fenrir, your skull is denser than a neutron starhmmIn post 2095, Gamma Emerald wrote:How about the fact that leaves 2 fucking VTs when typically in my exp the minimum tends to range out at 4
Turn on your fucking brain asshole
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Scratch that I thought those were from a different game
Scratch that I thought those were from a different game
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Still think you’re being bad by trying to read into
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It’sIn post 2251, Datisi wrote:?
is that a tilt vote? because i made no claims about alignments in that post for you to call me game-of-mafia-bad for
pedit: lmao
pretty obvious
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If that’s not the case then I genuinely apologize. I have had to field that sort of argument before and I greatly dislike it.
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I’d rather you report me for toxicity than make vague in-game overtures. My Kryptonite is figuring out whether such things are game-related or not.
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I also apologize to everyone I spoke poorly to at all in this game. I came in with a chip on my shoulder from Eurybia’s Curse and it has only grown and grown over the course of this game.
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In post 2262, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Np Gamma
I Keep not clicking on this thread because it requires effort. My sincerest apologies everyone.
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Where is Marci???
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marci do u still think im scum
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ur literally voteparkibf me??In post 2295, marcistar wrote:when did i ever say i thought u were scum
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His role as claimed has a net zero effect on the setup in practiceIn post 2318, Ausuka wrote:i also kind of think datisi's role is towny but like
Trying to ignore setup spec because I feel like trying to pay any attention to the roles has a decent chance of biting us in the ass
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If she doesn’t think that she should remove her voteIn post 2326, Datisi wrote:did she say you're scum THO???
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Freedom is a RH9 altIn post 2324, Datisi wrote:freedom, are you an alt?
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Well I don’t feel like she should be currently, and this current evasive behavior makes me think she knows this but doesn’t want to acknowledgeIn post 2330, Datisi wrote:sorry i'm shitposting i'm p sure she called you scum at some point
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VOTE: marci
I have little confidence she’s scum but she’s not really coming off town anymore and if she’s town I want that known in 6p.
I have little confidence she’s scum but she’s not really coming off town anymore and if she’s town I want that known in 6p.
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Not reallyIn post 2358, Alexcellent wrote:I get this, but do you have higher confidence in someone else being scum?In post 2357, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: marci
I have little confidence she’s scum but she’s not really coming off town anymore and if she’s town I want that known in 6p.
I have ideas in mind but without being certain about marci’s alignment I can’t really make anything tangible
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I'll say rh9's difficulties when widely TR are historically tangibleIn post 2366, Ausuka wrote:It is one of many possibilities
I don't know rh9 meta that well tbf but from what I've seen I definitely feel like he is capable of more as town? Idk.
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was it a normal? if not idk if that would be allowed in a normalIn post 2393, Ausuka wrote:A few years ago I played a scumgame where the last mafia alive had a Simple modifier and because of that they couldn't nightkill any PRs. I wonder if it would be the same for Johnny
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I was scumreading Shoshin for a time
Crescent might have been as well, I think she was
Crescent might have been as well, I think she was
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v interesting gamestateIn post 2405, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:vote count 3.07
with 8 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-07-25 03:00:00).
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vrejIn post 2404, marcistar wrote:shoshins town
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I don’t like how half of Johnny’s “town reads” have a qualifier or dampening factorIn post 2418, JohnnyFarrar wrote:As for my own defense (if you wanna call it that) I can say I've been steadily getting busier over the past week or so and I'm genuinely sorry I can't dedicate as much time as I did d1.
My role, claimed as it is, has very little function at this point, unless you feel like having me test the VTs, so if we wanna vote me off I can see that being the play. I don't wanna get to Elo only for my play to be the reason town loses.
Marci is getting a huge botd from Aussie and Alex here, just blasting a Datisi scumread outta nowhere, and I don't understand their patience there?
Fully off an Alex vote. Won't do it. I follow the logic too much. My readslist is his reads list
Scamper is thinking outside the box, questioning the right reads and just being townie in general. I'd bet the game on Scamper town
Ausuka's shining beacon of towniness dimmed a little, but that was probably because of illness. I don't see any reason to vote there
Gamma I still think makes sense as scum based on that first wagon. Would be willing to vote but i'm also a sucker for genuine apologies and I like Gamma for coming clean about their attitude coming outta that last game. Idk. I'm a waffle.
Freedom is really... stale? Like I was ready to come in here and be like claimed townies that are townread sometimes lose their will to play, but then he started posting and it's all just... there? I'm underwhelmed. There's no smoking gun here but I could see scum not wanting to fuck with anything if our top wagons are off base rn
Datisi seems tired. I don't disagree with Marci here, I waz really feeling scum!Dats in my gut. Is it possible that they're taking credit for a vig that's not theirs? Could STD have killed Crez?
Marci seems like they're rolling dice to form their reads. I can't imagine why scumwoulddo that, tho. It's just suboptimal play from both sides, not really sure how to proceed.
If there's not a scum between Dats, Marci and Freedom I'll be surprised. I think Dats and Marci as partners would be really fun.
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I felt like her play/positioning early on was like mine in Eurybia's CurseIn post 2442, Datisi wrote:@gamma, why were you townreading marci before and why do you not read her as such right now
atp I just can't rlly stomach her just doing nothing to actually look town
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do you think being lazy is going to change anyone's opinion of you atp?In post 2464, marcistar wrote:wdym im not just memeing i have reasons its just so much to type u should tots vote datisi tho..
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marci, if you're correct on datisi, and you opt not to write anything about it, and we ignore your read in MeLo, how would that make you feel?
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I want you to feel like you're helping us solveIn post 2503, marcistar wrote:what do u want me to feel?In post 2501, Gamma Emerald wrote:marci, if you're correct on datisi, and you opt not to write anything about it, and we ignore your read in MeLo, how would that make you feel?
even when i do give reads ppl ignore it anyways LOL i dont want heavy sway in the game like that
your POV is extremely murky to the point that if you flip town your takes give us nothing to work with
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I can't really tell if I would agree w your Datisi read if you don't provide reasons
beyond that you have like next to no takes aside from datisi!scum that I can remember
beyond that you have like next to no takes aside from datisi!scum that I can remember
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@scamper not everyone seems the same things from this game
Some play to win, some play for fun, some play to win because winning is fun, and some play for something else, like me who seems the social connection this game and site provides.
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I have played games as a confirmable role more fast-and-loose with the expectation that I had a panic buttonIn post 2511, marcistar wrote:first off this is kinda stinkyIn post 2040, Datisi wrote:yeah uh, a part of the reason why i was playing sorta scummily the whole game was because i was counting on the fact i can confirm myself
So on paper Datisi has a point but idk if his play matches what he’s saying, since when I played this sort of game before I basically just spat my raw takes relentlessly without caring about whether it would get called inconsistent/opportunistic/etc.
basically, this is not a bad point but a deeper dive into Datisi’s play is recommended
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Maybe Marci plays to feel smart, is my point.In post 2515, scamper wrote:i'm trying to be helpful...In post 2513, marcistar wrote:me trying to decide if i should continue after reading that
I'm not sure what your point is, exactly. I'm not talking about motivation for playing the game, I'm talking about the basis by which the game is played, which is communicating thoughts to one anotherIn post 2514, Gamma Emerald wrote:@scamper not everyone seems the same things from this game
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Who do u think is scum?In post 2531, Alexcellent wrote:More just gut but feels more likely to be town that's thrown in the towel rather than scum
But idk, I don't have any real confidence here
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but otherwise, i don't even really know what to do to appear townie because this game is just going in circles and i don't have anything to actually do? if you need me to go in depth about some of my older reads or actions i can do that, otherwise i'm at a loss bc my opinion on this game isn't gonna change until the game itself changes
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-_-In post 2558, Ausuka wrote:isnt that cos i have him pocketed tho...
Really though, I guess I should let Datisi defend himself instead of doing it for him so I'm not going to talk at length about it but like... While it's not impossible you're right I'm not seeing it right now? I mean, it's even possible he's just scum and is just trying to adopt an attitude that is easy for scum to fake and theoretically pro town but I don't see the pocket thing
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I have a theory
what if it's Alex and Datisi
what if it's Alex and Datisi
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Actually why did I say I thought it could be Alex+Datisi, Alex actually felt town recently
(I know why, it’s that Datisi claiming the Alex target feels like a possible buddy cover move)
(I know why, it’s that Datisi claiming the Alex target feels like a possible buddy cover move)
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Eh actually this feels concerningIn post 2536, Alexcellent wrote:I'm still happy to vote between Johnny/Freedom/Marci but idk, I'd be very surprised if scum somehow isn't in there.
Very strongly town on Aus/Datisi/Scamper. Gamma is somewhere in the middle
What puts me in the middle 4 u?
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VOTE: freedom
Ausuka might have a good point
Ausuka might have a good point
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I had weird motives for my outrage at the perceived setup, that persist regardless of the veracity of anyone’s claim. Basically, there’s another player who commonly posts the type of stuff I posted here but almost exclusively as scum, so idk how to express my disdain except in a way that probably doesn’t read well. I felt like I had to express it tho because it’s become increasingly clear nothing is getting thru when that other player makes his comments.
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What about it is untrue?In post 2581, Datisi wrote:i love how marci can put out a wall that's full of information that's factually untrue and that makes no sense from what would be her town!pov, and y'all go "yeah ok sure marci can be town"
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I do think there are valid criticisms tho like the gamma/Marci solve being extremely easy
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Not what I’m saying, I’m saying when that was your solve it felt like you weren’t actually solving and you just picked the two least townread slots in the game to push together with zero thought about partner equityIn post 2589, Datisi wrote:gamma
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am i sticking to my gamma/marci solve? am i refusing to entertain anything else? do i even HOLD that solve right now???
Regardless of what your solve is now, that feeling remains.
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How were my reasons nonsense? Maybe you didn’t relate to them but you should at least know enough about me by now to know how I process scenarios.
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I’m sorry did I give “zero explanation” or “nonsense reasons” for my marci TR? Those two statements feel at odds.
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This might be my most clear indication of how I was translating the events of Eurybia’s Curse into my marci read this game, but I definitely explained it so “no explanation” is a blatant untruth by Datisi. And I feel like Datisi has to have seen me use this sort of “extrapolate events from game A to read game B, even if there’s no meta thru-line of any particular player”. As a result calling my reasoning “nonsense” and saying it was scummy feels off-color, a personal disagreement on the relevance of my anecdotal meta does not make it immediately nonsense.In post 785, Gamma Emerald wrote:YesIn post 757, JohnnyFarrar wrote:@gamma do you remember anything of this game? I skipped around the ISO but ain't no way I'm reading a 500 post ISO
I feel like Marci might be a little similar across that game and this one
More notably, her position feels like the one I was in that game. So I’m fairly certain she’s town here.
Actually he DEFINITELY saw me use the anecdotal meta thing recently, unless he doesn’t actually read the games he mods.
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It feels kinda shite to go “I don’t do second-hand meta” to write off my read and then say my defense has partner equity, when you haven’t rlly put in the actual effort to parse my defense
I can’t actually recall Datisi ever directly engaging my marci TR in fact
I can’t actually recall Datisi ever directly engaging my marci TR in fact
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I wasn’t rlly saying she felt similar to another game
I was more trying to highlight the anecdotal meta portion. If you had asked “why do you feel like marci’s situation matches yours from that game?” I would have actually responded “it feels like an unrealistic initial expectation was put in place for her gamestart behavior and she’s in an unrecoverable hole as a result of it” which would have been an assessment of
I was more trying to highlight the anecdotal meta portion. If you had asked “why do you feel like marci’s situation matches yours from that game?” I would have actually responded “it feels like an unrealistic initial expectation was put in place for her gamestart behavior and she’s in an unrecoverable hole as a result of it” which would have been an assessment of
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Why?In post 2611, JohnnyFarrar wrote:I think Freedom's the winning vote here
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is this fr?
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In post 2622, Datisi wrote:this is a serious question btwIn post 2620, Datisi wrote:is it hammer time?
i see scamper asked for a minute but it's been 5 hours so
These posts do feel rather woodenIn post 2624, Datisi wrote:yeah ok, worst case scenario i'll hammer after work
back to lurking then, see ya
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Why Johnny? I think Johnny is the one partner that makes no sense for Marci. In fact, I would go so far as to call him almost conftown. I don’t think any scum team with Johnny on it makes that kill except Johnny/scamper exactly.In post 2670, Ausuka wrote:i re-evaluated and concluded Marcistar is scum with Johnny
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Here’s why the Datisi kill baffles me and makes me think Johnny has to be town if scamper is: scamper is the closest we have to a UTR. So that would be a) a priority kill and b) a priority protect. So if Johnny is scum and scamper is town, scamper should have died instead.In post 2683, Ausuka wrote:I don't think we should eliminate anyone today, to be serious for a moment.
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Because more people TR Datisi?
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ehhhIn post 2699, Ausuka wrote:why not? if scum Johnny kills the most obvtown vt he's going to have to answer to why he didn't make that protectIn post 2692, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why Johnny? I think Johnny is the one partner that makes no sense for Marci. In fact, I would go so far as to call him almost conftown. I don’t think any scum team with Johnny on it makes that kill except Johnny/scamper exactly.In post 2670, Ausuka wrote:i re-evaluated and concluded Marcistar is scum with Johnny
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You’re probably right, I just get a weird vibe from the situation
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The latterIn post 2708, Ausuka wrote:Do you mean "you're probably right that you can't change my mind, the situation would be too weird" or "you're probably right that Johnny could be scum but i would get weird vibes from it" or something else
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now I feel stupid ;-;
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Why???In post 2746, Ausuka wrote:Personally I tend to assume scum bus and vote each other habitually
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Oh I'm questioning things about that alreadyIn post 2792, marcistar wrote:highly townread townleader ausuka has survived all game and yall dont have a double take?!?!?! CLOWNS
the targeting of Alex with the mailman has me hella raising eyebrows
plus, as ascetic, he's a free kill even outside of the fact the doc is simple
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r u fr?In post 2794, Ausuka wrote:My mailman message to Alex was basically
I think scamper has been overlooked too much because of their towny d1 and I want you to reread them but it's not like a hard scumread and if you decide they're too towny to elim that's fine
I agree JF is unlikely to be a wolf,I think Marci is a fantastic elimination for tomorrow
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In post 2670, Ausuka wrote:i re-evaluated and concluded Marcistar is scum with Johnny
In post 2692, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why Johnny? I think Johnny is the one partner that makes no sense for Marci. In fact, I would go so far as to call him almost conftown. I don’t think any scum team with Johnny on it makes that kill except Johnny/scamper exactly.In post 2670, Ausuka wrote:i re-evaluated and concluded Marcistar is scum with Johnny
In post 2695, Gamma Emerald wrote:Here’s why the Datisi kill baffles me and makes me think Johnny has to be town if scamper is: scamper is the closest we have to a UTR. So that would be a) a priority kill and b) a priority protect. So if Johnny is scum and scamper is town, scamper should have died instead.In post 2683, Ausuka wrote:I don't think we should eliminate anyone today, to be serious for a moment.
I don't think we have anyone who really approaches clear status.
In post 2699, Ausuka wrote:why not? if scum Johnny kills the most obvtown vt he's going to have to answer to why he didn't make that protectIn post 2692, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why Johnny? I think Johnny is the one partner that makes no sense for Marci. In fact, I would go so far as to call him almost conftown. I don’t think any scum team with Johnny on it makes that kill except Johnny/scamper exactly.In post 2670, Ausuka wrote:i re-evaluated and concluded Marcistar is scum with Johnny
In post 2705, Gamma Emerald wrote:ehhhIn post 2699, Ausuka wrote:why not? if scum Johnny kills the most obvtown vt he's going to have to answer to why he didn't make that protectIn post 2692, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why Johnny? I think Johnny is the one partner that makes no sense for Marci. In fact, I would go so far as to call him almost conftown. I don’t think any scum team with Johnny on it makes that kill except Johnny/scamper exactly.In post 2670, Ausuka wrote:i re-evaluated and concluded Marcistar is scum with Johnny
In post 2706, Ausuka wrote:shrug, i probably can't change your mind if you believe that johnny is never scum from that
In post 2707, Gamma Emerald wrote:You’re probably right, I just get a weird vibe from the situation
In post 2708, Ausuka wrote:Do you mean "you're probably right that you can't change my mind, the situation would be too weird" or "you're probably right that Johnny could be scum but i would get weird vibes from it" or something else
In post 2718, Gamma Emerald wrote:The latterIn post 2708, Ausuka wrote:Do you mean "you're probably right that you can't change my mind, the situation would be too weird" or "you're probably right that Johnny could be scum but i would get weird vibes from it" or something else
like what the ACTUAL FUCK bro?In post 2720, Gamma Emerald wrote:now I feel stupid ;-;
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why the hell did you debate that with me just to reverse course, just to make me feel bad?
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In post 2818, Ausuka wrote:I still think your reasoning was wrong I just think jf is probtown anyway
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I'm backing this cos if not for my reasons, then wtf for?In post 2821, scamper wrote:why, thoIn post 2818, Ausuka wrote:I still think your reasoning was wrong I just think jf is probtown anyway
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I will try to avoid purely grudge voting but this whole reads flip flop you've done today feels wack as hell
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how tf do I fit that model???In post 2836, scamper wrote:the thing about these gamestates is that that a lot of the time its to townies that get paranoid and go at each others throats while mafia chills in the background and waits for them to mess up and gamma/JF kind of fits that model perfectly right now
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idk who you are but you clearly have a shit readrate on me on your main
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this did register for me on some levelIn post 2851, Ausuka wrote:Like does no one else think it's weird how Marci plays up how "stupid" she is (she's not), comes into the day having not scumread me since like d1
And then is pretty much instantly confident enough to vote me in elo
Like that rings massive red Alarm bells
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yeah that’s rather ehhhIn post 2856, Ausuka wrote:"ausuka is scum but I didn't share that read because ausuka didn't ask me to"
Yeah ok
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I’m waiting for Johnny to post stuff before voting at all
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Bella would’ve been nice for her roleIn post 2882, Ausuka wrote:To be fair, I don't think I would want anyone we eliminated in elo eitherIn post 2870, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Marci just blurts out reads for no reason and gets real shook real often and I can't believe we let her live to Elo
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Honestly no
Your complete lack of thought process this game makes it really hard to trust you, and it’s not even similar to Eurybia’s Curse because there your reads were nonexistent, here you have reads but they’re baseless 90% of the time
Your complete lack of thought process this game makes it really hard to trust you, and it’s not even similar to Eurybia’s Curse because there your reads were nonexistent, here you have reads but they’re baseless 90% of the time
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Then why has it been like pulling teeth to get you to explain any?
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We shouldn’t have toIn post 2912, marcistar wrote:im just built diff 100%In post 2910, Gamma Emerald wrote:Then why has it been like pulling teeth to get you to explain any?
nah i told u guys u can just ask but nobody cares to..
If u cared for us to follow ur reads there should be explanations for them
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Yeah that’s not a town mindset.
VOTE: marcistar
If this is a loss, gg scum
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If this is a loss, gg scum
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scamper’s towngame?
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A chance for what?In post 2930, Ausuka wrote:Scamper is good as town
If they are town they think it's you and Johnny and I want to give them a chance
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UNVOTE:
I’m spooked now.
I’m spooked now.
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Do u think it’s marci + johnny?
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online but not postingIn post 2934, Ausuka wrote:to review the game and make their case etc like they said they were going to
Also scamper is online apparently so obligatory not scum with scamper
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Tbf I think it’s marci + johnny
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can u give a hint or smth about who scamper is?In post 2943, Ausuka wrote:That's fair and that is certainly a possibility
I think Johnny has felt like town at points and a lot of his positions are inconvenient, eg if he's scum he tried to set up Alex as a miselim and then killed him
However scamper has played an excellent game and looked town throughout so I certainly understand where you're coming from, I would be townreading them independently
I think unfortunately a lot of my thoughts about scamper revolve around their identity and therefore there's only so much I can talk about. I know it's unfair for them too because they can't refute what I'm thinking. But like I can't just not consider how it factors into my reads if I want to play to my win condition.
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Have I played with them before?
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what do u make of my johnny tr from yday scamper?
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I'll try but I can't recall any towngames I was in ELo for except for one that I repped intoIn post 3036, Ausuka wrote:OK Gamma I was going through your games to see if I could find an example of you in elo as town and uh, you post in a lot of topics and do not appear to live to elo that often
Would you mind linking me to some?
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this probably counts actually
this probably counts actually
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it was MeLo but close enough
also I realize that a) these are v old and probably not indicative of my way of play now and b) one link per post isn't the most helpful
pls lmk if I should switch my search direction and/or put the rest in one post
it was MeLo but close enough
also I realize that a) these are v old and probably not indicative of my way of play now and b) one link per post isn't the most helpful
pls lmk if I should switch my search direction and/or put the rest in one post
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actually scratch that last one I thought 4 were alive in the last VC
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I'm sure I can find them but thanks to my wiki being in massive disrepair I have to use egosearch
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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=87498
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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=83986
these are all the "modern" games I could find where I was in ELo/MeLo as town
I probably end up in ELo as scum substantially more often
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=84310
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=83986
these are all the "modern" games I could find where I was in ELo/MeLo as town
I probably end up in ELo as scum substantially more often
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Ftr I feel like Ausuka has been pretty towny recently, and given the chance scamper + johnny had to just scoop up the hammer, that seems improbable meaning marci is basically assured scum for me
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VOTE: marcistar
I don’t feel like there’s a good reason to put this off.
I don’t feel like there’s a good reason to put this off.
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I already feel like it’s confirmed between you two from scamper’s actions earlier
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The only thing I think might be worth hashing out is what’s gonna happen tomorrow
As I see it the scum team is either Marci/scamper or Marci/Johnny
I think which team it is might dictate the kill tonight
As I see it the scum team is either Marci/scamper or Marci/Johnny
I think which team it is might dictate the kill tonight
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Your takes in ELo seem sensible, I don’t agree with all of them but they all seem like fake takes to have in your positionIn post 3060, Ausuka wrote:I guess part of me is wondering like
Is there a reason you seem to think I'm towny now? I don't think I'm doing anything massively different to what I was doing in previous days? Like, I was expecting you to just ~say more things~ in this ELO in general I suppose, I was expecting I'd have to like try and convince you not to vote me
Pedit: I mean I'd like the chance to review and weigh the evidence for myself knowing that gamma/Johnny isn't a possibility if we got to that point, I guess
It could be trivial to fake but why fake it as scum even?
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wasn't me
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ftr if marci is scum I'm gonna have massive beef with whoever is her partner and twilight trolling
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why the fuck did you not just hammer when ausuka and marci crossed
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WE KNOW!In post 3127, mastina wrote:Hi I reviewed this game.
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sorry that's mean
I just feel like there needs to be some realization that your idea of normal doesn't rlly mesh with what most players actually think is normal
I just feel like there needs to be some realization that your idea of normal doesn't rlly mesh with what most players actually think is normal
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My issue is not whether it was balanced
The design philosophy on that game feels nonexistent
The design philosophy on that game feels nonexistent
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There’s all these random tools but no thru-line for a lot of it
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Yeah I think a problem with expecting people to put together certain balance points is that roles dying out early muddles their possible effects on the balance
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past a certain point I find it very hard to be accommodating for laziness/lack of WIM
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yeah I think my main lesson from scamper coming up scum is to never ever allow a shitpush on me to go unpunished
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