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Corwin hasn't posted in over 46 hours. Johnny has one post in the last ~40 hours, and has no content since speaking against the Corwin votes in #1058, roughly 43 hours ago. Marci hasn't posted in 25 hours, and her only content post in the last 48+ hours is that question of why people are townreading Scamper.In post 1286, Ausuka wrote:The urge to lolhammer exists but I must resist it
As obvious scum as Corwin is here, I feel like two other people have completely vanished from the game. We kinda can't hammer under these circumstances.
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It should surprise absolutely no one that I'm autistic and generally don't properly register attempts at humor and especially sarcasm. Most times I try to be sarcastic, I find my intent obvious, but no one else does.In post 1289, Ausuka wrote:scum have given up tbh
But yeah I agree I don't actually want to lolhammer, I was trying to be funny to limited success
I usually figure out sarcasm by rationally deducing the intent. The more direct the communication, the better I absorb it. If I'm given half an order to do something, there's a chance I won't process the other half of what I'm supposed to do at all, even if it should be obvious. I will however, make completely obtuse yet correct connections between things at times that makes other people go "wut".
I also have a semi-photographic memory and never truly "forget" anything long-term, yet I can completely forget what I did 3 minutes ago and have no idea where I put something. It's why I generally remember every argument I've ever made in a game. I would say I still remember most of the arguments I made in both 2272 and 2273.
Like, I'll most likely remember that specifically post #1015 hard triggered me on Corwin if you ask me in a game 3 months from now.
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Going to be honest I kinda don't even care what Corwin claims. He's been gone for almost two days, and there's too much that says he's scum for me to believe any claim he makes at this point.
I'm more interested in why two players seem to have completely vanished alongside Corwin, one of which was the second-most active poster in the game before Corwin's train took off. Corwin himself is a set deal for me at this point.
I'm more interested in why two players seem to have completely vanished alongside Corwin, one of which was the second-most active poster in the game before Corwin's train took off. Corwin himself is a set deal for me at this point.
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In post 1295, Gamma Emerald wrote:I see marci hasn't posted in over 24 hours, but who's the other that disappeared?
In post 1288, Crescent wrote:Johnny has one post in the last ~40 hours, and has no content since speaking against the Corwin votes in #1058, roughly 43 hours ago.
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I would rather get some explanations and content out of them onIn post 1296, Ausuka wrote:Tbh I care less about that because like I have a feeling Marci and Johnny are still going to be with us on day 2.
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The thing I thought about specifically was if this is going to turn into some kind of "falling on the sword" to distract us. I don't question that he had a problem, but the timing of the return makes me wonder a bit.In post 1311, Ausuka wrote:Fair, maybe I misunderstood your post
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The bigger problem with a JK claim might be that it's very easy to hide a JK claim by having a RB.
I can accept that reasoning for how big the explosion at Scamper was, unless he specifically had an explosion that large in the newbie game.
But it's also only one part of the argument. You've played a very passive game - Nowhere near as assertive or aggressive as #2273. You made one specific post (#1015) that flies completely in the face of that game. Both Alex and I find your immediate and then consistent town-clear of me scum indicative, and frankly your approach to me so far has given me the outright impression that you
You're also being compared by multiple people to being exactly what you were like in your last scum game, both in your play and overall reactions.
I'll accept that explosion can be NAI, but there are a lot more things to account for.
I can accept that reasoning for how big the explosion at Scamper was, unless he specifically had an explosion that large in the newbie game.
But it's also only one part of the argument. You've played a very passive game - Nowhere near as assertive or aggressive as #2273. You made one specific post (#1015) that flies completely in the face of that game. Both Alex and I find your immediate and then consistent town-clear of me scum indicative, and frankly your approach to me so far has given me the outright impression that you
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I'll accept that explosion can be NAI, but there are a lot more things to account for.
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Oh wait do you guys even get notified of roleblocks here, or is that why the "checker" role that was in 2273 exists - to check for roleblocks? Where I primarily come from, most games have a roleblocker, and almost every roleblocker notifies their target that they were roleblocked if they tried to commit an action that night. It makes JK a very tricky claim to parse as a result.
Or is this a host specific thing?
Or is this a host specific thing?
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Yeah the meta I'm used to is
But if your target was redirected, you only get notified you were redirected if you're an investigation role. Your resulting scan will tell you the person you actually targeted. If you're anything else, you'll know your action was successful, but you won't know where it landed.
Random fun story time: There was a player who was "unknowing backup detective" who was told he was town vanilla (Roles like this are virtually nonexistent there). The detective died night 1, and he inherited a result on
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gets a roleblocked result.But if your target was redirected, you only get notified you were redirected if you're an investigation role. Your resulting scan will tell you the person you actually targeted. If you're anything else, you'll know your action was successful, but you won't know where it landed.
Random fun story time: There was a player who was "unknowing backup detective" who was told he was town vanilla (Roles like this are virtually nonexistent there). The detective died night 1, and he inherited a result on
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Aren't redirecting roles banned in MNs? Bus Driver is the most common one. I've seen the occasional one-way redirector (usually on scumteams that lack a roleblocker) and a some Lightning Rods, though the Lightning Rods I've seen (with a single exception) were different in that they targeted one specific player and absorbed any action that targeted that player, kinda like a super bodyguard.In post 1331, Ausuka wrote:I don't think I've ever actually played a game with a redirector in it unless you count bodyguard
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Does Corwin buddy up Bella right away if they're both scum?In post 1330, Gamma Emerald wrote:scum postIn post 1319, Bellaphant wrote:You know what, this may be controversial but I'm actually inclined to town just leave corwin for today. He did mention some rl shit in the newbie and like....if he's scum, we don't need to sort it today.
I'm soft, though.
VOTE: bellaphant
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It's actually been almost an hour since his claim, it just doesn't feel that long. He defended strictly what he thought was the #1 argument against him and... That's it.In post 1357, Ausuka wrote:It's been like 10 minutes give it like a day and he'll probably be dead tbh
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Datisi and STD both said to murder you immediately. I've actually given you time. Popping in again after an hour to direct this at me makes no sense in the current context of the game.In post 1360, Corwinoid wrote:Honestly cresc, I have a life and it's still midday for me, calm down.
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What vibes are STD giving you?In post 1364, Ausuka wrote:I think gamma is wrong about that Bella post and Bella just made a typing error idk it happens
That being said I think Gamma reading into it felt towny, it kind of felt like it was a gotcha moment on his end if that makes sense?
I'm reading his recent posts as "town that's sure the vote is on scum and just wants it over with already", and I can kinda relate because it's hard for me to see anything happening to convince me Corwin isn't scum.
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Two things holding me back right now. There's still 4 1/2 days left and going this early goes against my general policy. Tthere is a point where it's a net negative for town to let it drag for too long, though we're probably not there yet.
Also hammering when there's a player in the game who hasn't posted in 28 1/2 hours feels kinda gross.
Also hammering when there's a player in the game who hasn't posted in 28 1/2 hours feels kinda gross.
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I'm laying in bed with a half asleep purring cat on me and I'm totally chill while I'm internally debating what to do. I've had moments in this kind of situation where I just say "screw the code" and do. Last game's day 3 both trains felt woefully weak for trains that were -1 and I wasn't going near either. In this situation it kinda feels not like a matter of if, but when.
But also half asleep purring loaf of cat.
But also half asleep purring loaf of cat.
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We stay the course because the like 5 other reasons to think he's scum still hold.In post 1395, scamper wrote:ugh i'm so sorry ):In post 1313, Corwinoid wrote:JKIn post 1258, Roden wrote:In post 1256, Ausuka wrote:intent to hammer
This is clearly happening so we might as well speed things up in case we want to decide on another wagon with comfortable timeI also intend to hammer.
At this point I'm mainly just waiting for Corwin to show up and respond to posts.
I don't have the energy to go through everything in the last 10 pages post by post to rebut it, and I know that's shitty. The big point I guess is that I blew up at scamper because I was arguing with my wife at the same time; I've been out while we discuss separating--I wasn't expecting it.
i feel bad now, idk what i want to do here
I'm specifically holding out more to get posts out of our missing people than anything.
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I think she does if she and Corwin are both scum because there is absolutely nothing to lose by making such a stand. It only reflects on her at all if Corwin is town, and Corwin is 99% not town.In post 1400, Alexcellent wrote:UNVOTE: Corwin
Idk I think I need to reassess this game tbh.
Will wait for Corwin to post and address points against him. Agree that JK claim is very… plain for a game that supposedly has an ascetic Miller. Gut reaction is to not buy it but I’m also not comfortable with Corwin being at E1 any more.
I also don’t think Marci comes in with those posts as scum given that she’s a likely launch if Corwin isn’t being voted off today.
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Oh and I'll go further and say the scum motivations are way more obvious than the town motivations.
Corwin is one of the only people in the game Marci has actually made a case against for being scum. She has in no way indicated she now thinks he's town, yet she's offering herself to be voted off anyway? It's blatant not playing to win as town as a grand but empty gesture as scum that tries to give off a vibe of self-sacrifice.
I actually scum read her now. I was still trapped in neutral, but there is no actual reason for that to have come from town.
Corwin is one of the only people in the game Marci has actually made a case against for being scum. She has in no way indicated she now thinks he's town, yet she's offering herself to be voted off anyway? It's blatant not playing to win as town as a grand but empty gesture as scum that tries to give off a vibe of self-sacrifice.
I actually scum read her now. I was still trapped in neutral, but there is no actual reason for that to have come from town.
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When Corwin flips scum those posts singlehandedly have me going after Marci tomorrow. I don't see town in them at all.In post 1405, Alexcellent wrote:I guess if they were both scum and Corwin’s like a scum PR I could maybe see that. Idk. There’s a lot against Corwin tbh. Those posts by Marci just make it tough to see her as scum now.
If there are 4 neighbours, an ascetic Miller and whatever Bella is, does a JK really fit here?
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Yeah I had like two hours to hammer him and didn't. I was being patient.In post 1406, marcistar wrote:this specifically makes me think ur just jittery to do sumn abt the claim instead of waiting to see his natural follow upIn post 1352, Crescent wrote:I kinda feel like I'm just sitting here waiting to see if Corwin is actually going to address all the other points on him or if he's just going to claim JK and vamoose.
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You've never once implied you actually think he's town now. It's completely hollow.In post 1413, marcistar wrote:in my pov its not against win con for a vt to offer themselves up instead of someone who claims a prIn post 1410, Crescent wrote:Corwin is one of the only people in the game Marci has actually made a case against for being scum. She has in no way indicated she now thinks he's town, yet she's offering herself to be voted off anyway? It's blatant not playing to win as town as a grand but empty gesture as scum that tries to give off a vibe of self-sacrifice.
but also i kinda lowkey forgot corwin was a neighbor
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Missed what exactly?In post 1418, JohnnyFarrar wrote:I must have skipped a page somewhere, I feel like I missed something
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Corwin first, Marci second.In post 1425, JohnnyFarrar wrote:I don't love this as an alternative, either.In post 1324, Datisi wrote:i also wouldn't cry if we yeet marci instead
It's been a consistent process of multiple people having independent reasons to suspect him. The AtE isn't relevant.
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What is your current case on him? He's the only one you've called scum and you've been doing it all day.In post 1434, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Because I think he's actually scum
I feel like I've put up more of an actual case against Alex today than you have.
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I never have a town game without 1 or 2 random guys in the game calling me scum every couple of posts, I'm kinda used to it.In post 1437, scamper wrote:i put a 0% chance crescent is scum with themIn post 1435, Save The Dragons wrote:It's still Crescent Corwin and johnnycakes
In 2272 it was Scorpious. In 2273 it was Corwin. What's interesting is the player who does it is often town.
Much like 2273, a team with both me and Corwin kinda makes no sense. Vivax, who was town, had this crazy conspiracy theory we were both scum but could never actually justify it.
STD has no reason to keep pursuing me if he's scum. It reads to me as him legitimately pinging hard off of one of my NAI traits and refusing to let it go no matter what.
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Opportunistic is a word I have personally used to describe him.In post 1438, JohnnyFarrar wrote:I'm not much of a 'case' guy. He feels slimy. He feels opportunistic. When he shows up I'm always like 'yeah you would say that right now'
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See this is 2273 Corwin right here - The outright refusal to even entertain any slight possibility that I am town.In post 1441, Save The Dragons wrote:I think healthy ice cream tastes goodIn post 1437, scamper wrote:i put a 0% chance crescent is scum with themIn post 1435, Save The Dragons wrote:It's still Crescent Corwin and johnnycakes
Sorry. I wanted to live in your world and see what it's like to be completely wrong about something
I have half the game hard town reading me, but he refuses to let go of a single point that has him convinced I am scum. I already know nothing I can do will change it.
STD is town. Scum almost never do this with me.
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It was a mega overreaction of an "ah ha!" Moment.In post 1443, scamper wrote:i'm not really sure i see it but this is a towny postIn post 1340, Gamma Emerald wrote:nah bella scumclaimed
I caught a grammatical error that indicates she backtracked on calling Corwin town and instead opted to just say she was leaving him alone for today
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It bothers me that he was paying enough attention after his claim to immediately snipe at me for effectively correcting Ausuka saying "it's only been 10 minutes" by saying it had been almost an hour, yet offered no content of any sort in the process.
I see him continuing to focus on all the wrong things.
I see him continuing to focus on all the wrong things.
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I kinda agree it looks weird, though it might be overthinky more than scummy. Like, Ausuka's claim arguably isn't even a PR to begin with. The setup metaing in general has been dumb, but I have no idea where that one's even going. It seems to be making a bunch of random assumptions at once.In post 1456, JohnnyFarrar wrote:This partIn post 1447, Freedom wrote:There would be too many Town PRs and suggest that Mafia has some fancy PRs too.
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Sometimes weird words slip into posts that make no sense but don't really mean anything. The "town" in that post had no discernable context. I didn't really read anything into it.
I've seen some amazingly bad posts by town before. I once saw a town member say "Because
He basically got policied for it by people who didn't even think he was scum. I generally don't believe in perspective slips unless it's a specific circumstance such as a player seeming to know too much about someone else's alignment.
Also, MN2273 had 4 town power roles.
I've seen some amazingly bad posts by town before. I once saw a town member say "Because
we
would have taken a big risk not blocking him last night" instead of they
.He basically got policied for it by people who didn't even think he was scum. I generally don't believe in perspective slips unless it's a specific circumstance such as a player seeming to know too much about someone else's alignment.
Also, MN2273 had 4 town power roles.
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If Hoods counted as a PR, then MM2272 had 6 town PRs.In post 1471, Freedom wrote:I am.In post 1470, Roden wrote:Who are the potential four town PRs?
Ausuka/Bella/Corwin/???
Unless you're counting the hood?
I know that I'm Town.
Therefore, at least 4 Town PRs.
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2272 had a Gunsmith Neighbor that obliterated the Scum Neighbor.In post 1476, Ausuka wrote:It is absolutely a serious claim
Idk if Corwin's already dead but I realised his role would be jk neighbour which is slightly less plain I guess
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4 posts. All still focusing on the wrong things. No real content.
1: Pokes Ausuka's claim - Cheap.
2: Rolefishes Bella - Nope.
3: Passively defends Marci without giving a reason - "Ok".
4: Acts like setup meta is a significant factor in the votes on him. Does not address any of the actual reasons he got votes in the first place - Avoidance.
Everyone has now caught up, and these posts do nothing for me except for make me more town lean Bella a little more.
VOTE: Corwin
I'm going to bed. I don't have an internal argument for letting this drag any further.
1: Pokes Ausuka's claim - Cheap.
2: Rolefishes Bella - Nope.
3: Passively defends Marci without giving a reason - "Ok".
4: Acts like setup meta is a significant factor in the votes on him. Does not address any of the actual reasons he got votes in the first place - Avoidance.
Everyone has now caught up, and these posts do nothing for me except for make me more town lean Bella a little more.
VOTE: Corwin
I'm going to bed. I don't have an internal argument for letting this drag any further.
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I wrote a miniwall at home but I'm not home so I can't post it at the moment but the cliffsnotes of it is that Corwin flipping
Ex: I stand firmly by post #705. Alex started these actions under pressure while voting for, but before explaining his vote on Bella, then didn't even vote Corwin later on. I believe Alex was going after a soft target of opportunity as a diversion and had no idea he was drawing attention to another scum.
Scamper and Bella still look great though. Genuinely scumhunted him and look better from Corwin's own actions on top of it.
More when I get home.
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makes Alex look way worse than him straight flipping scum would've looked, and that Datisi is my most probable third strictly by POE with Corwin and Alex. Ex: I stand firmly by post #705. Alex started these actions under pressure while voting for, but before explaining his vote on Bella, then didn't even vote Corwin later on. I believe Alex was going after a soft target of opportunity as a diversion and had no idea he was drawing attention to another scum.
Scamper and Bella still look great though. Genuinely scumhunted him and look better from Corwin's own actions on top of it.
More when I get home.
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Home now. Wall time.
All the arguments about the early sus of him having to be "Busses" are moot. They would not have known he was anything but an easy target. This actually brings my attention squarely back on one person....
Scamper and Bella still look good based on Corwin's actions.
The people who really put the pressure down on Corwin look better (Which again includes Scamper and Bella), because it was still genuine scumhunting. The people who looked like they were just along for the ride do not.
I distinctly recall a post I made earlier: Post #705. Let's just put it in cliffnotes:
"His only 3 attempts to go after Corwin were aimed at drawing Shoshin towards him.
I don't feel good about Corwin so far, but this reads to me as scum Alex trying to get town Shoshin to notice town Corwin. There's no actual feeling of "solving" from anything he has done in regards to him."
Alex only does this under pressure, while his vote is on Bella, and starts doing this before he even explains his vote on Bella. I believe it's exactly what it looked like - Alex did not have Corwin pegged as traitor, and was trying to get Town Shoshin to go after him as a diversion. Alex is also in the group of being "just along for the ride" as far as Corwin's train went.
Corwin specifically flipping
Furthermore, we had exactly three players all day never place a vote on Corwin: Marci, Bella, and JF - who sat there up Alex's ass all day for reasons (such as opportunism) that I frankly agree with.
You can argue Marci basically never had a chance. She vanished into the ether as he made it to 5 votes, and I think her lack of voting on her return is justifiable (Alex made a notably bad argument shading her for this). Bella didn't place a single vote since post #93 when she voted for Marci.
JF was notably against the train, but that defense was consistent from before it was pointed out how dead obvious a scum Corwin was. If anyone comes out looking better from an aligned flip, it's him. An Alex scumflip makes me feel extra good about JF's chances of being town.
What this means is: The chance is pretty high that both scum voted for Corwin at some point. The first place I'd look to for the second scum is that initial rush of 5 votes, as I have serious doubts of the purity of that rush. Scamper, STD, Datisi, Gamma, and Freedom.
Scamper is almost certainly town. Freedom is probably town and very likely town if Alex flips scum. I have independent (albeit totally self-metay) reasons to think STD is town. This leaves just Datisi and Gamma. Both of them definitely fit in the more "along for the ride" category as far as actually pushing Corwin's train goes - Though Gamma shoed in on Corwin/Alex fairly early, and Datisi trailed off kinda hard after the claim.
Corwin/Alex/Datisi has a fairly high chance of being the solve by day 2 standards - Datisi strictly by POE rather than play. The interesting thing is that I actually think that scumteam probably shoots Gamma tonight anyway.
What's funny is this was originally meant to be like.. A short collection of notes, and it just kept extending as I felt I had more to read into it. Given I was all over Marci at the end of the day, and the solve no longer feels like it includes her, I don't expect to die tonight anyway. This is still nothing compared to the bomb I dropped on day 3 in MN2272 (Which might be the best wall post I've
What Corwin flipping aligned means:
All the arguments about the early sus of him having to be "Busses" are moot. They would not have known he was anything but an easy target. This actually brings my attention squarely back on one person....
Scamper and Bella still look good based on Corwin's actions.
The people who really put the pressure down on Corwin look better (Which again includes Scamper and Bella), because it was still genuine scumhunting. The people who looked like they were just along for the ride do not.
I distinctly recall a post I made earlier: Post #705. Let's just put it in cliffnotes:
"His only 3 attempts to go after Corwin were aimed at drawing Shoshin towards him.
I don't feel good about Corwin so far, but this reads to me as scum Alex trying to get town Shoshin to notice town Corwin. There's no actual feeling of "solving" from anything he has done in regards to him."
Alex only does this under pressure, while his vote is on Bella, and starts doing this before he even explains his vote on Bella. I believe it's exactly what it looked like - Alex did not have Corwin pegged as traitor, and was trying to get Town Shoshin to go after him as a diversion. Alex is also in the group of being "just along for the ride" as far as Corwin's train went.
Corwin specifically flipping
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reveal flips me back to Corwin/Alex.Furthermore, we had exactly three players all day never place a vote on Corwin: Marci, Bella, and JF - who sat there up Alex's ass all day for reasons (such as opportunism) that I frankly agree with.
You can argue Marci basically never had a chance. She vanished into the ether as he made it to 5 votes, and I think her lack of voting on her return is justifiable (Alex made a notably bad argument shading her for this). Bella didn't place a single vote since post #93 when she voted for Marci.
JF was notably against the train, but that defense was consistent from before it was pointed out how dead obvious a scum Corwin was. If anyone comes out looking better from an aligned flip, it's him. An Alex scumflip makes me feel extra good about JF's chances of being town.
What this means is: The chance is pretty high that both scum voted for Corwin at some point. The first place I'd look to for the second scum is that initial rush of 5 votes, as I have serious doubts of the purity of that rush. Scamper, STD, Datisi, Gamma, and Freedom.
Scamper is almost certainly town. Freedom is probably town and very likely town if Alex flips scum. I have independent (albeit totally self-metay) reasons to think STD is town. This leaves just Datisi and Gamma. Both of them definitely fit in the more "along for the ride" category as far as actually pushing Corwin's train goes - Though Gamma shoed in on Corwin/Alex fairly early, and Datisi trailed off kinda hard after the claim.
Corwin/Alex/Datisi has a fairly high chance of being the solve by day 2 standards - Datisi strictly by POE rather than play. The interesting thing is that I actually think that scumteam probably shoots Gamma tonight anyway.
What's funny is this was originally meant to be like.. A short collection of notes, and it just kept extending as I felt I had more to read into it. Given I was all over Marci at the end of the day, and the solve no longer feels like it includes her, I don't expect to die tonight anyway. This is still nothing compared to the bomb I dropped on day 3 in MN2272 (Which might be the best wall post I've
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Alex jumping around changing teams around with no reasoning for any of them feels pre-emptively flaily to me.In post 1552, marcistar wrote:mfs like "marci corwin seems too easy" and then changes his opinion quickly and makes sure im in all his team solves
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Oh and speaking of Corwin, the only things you ever actually argued against him were directly copycatted from me. You were never actually active in pushing him as a vote, and only went out of your way to draw attention to him before you realized he was scum. You then followed some of my reasoning on him because you felt you had to, as you were also in 2273 and would know my reasons were correct.
Anyways, good luck trying to argue that any of Scamper, Bella, and I, did not genuinely believe Corwin was scum. Those two are near-townclears to me. I won't accept any scumteam that includes those two.
Anyways, good luck trying to argue that any of Scamper, Bella, and I, did not genuinely believe Corwin was scum. Those two are near-townclears to me. I won't accept any scumteam that includes those two.
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#1546 says "It's not Corwin and Marci"
#1548 lists two teams
#1549 lists one team, which includes Bella so it gets instantly nixed.
And the only thing you even say about me is it would explain Corwin's play, when the opposite is true. Corwin was afraid of me. Corwin was probably afraid of Bella too.
#1548 lists two teams
#1549 lists one team, which includes Bella so it gets instantly nixed.
And the only thing you even say about me is it would explain Corwin's play, when the opposite is true. Corwin was afraid of me. Corwin was probably afraid of Bella too.
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You can give credit if it seemed genuine, which is why I'm keeping you and Bella off the table. Your actions towards Corwin and his response to you says you are town, aligned or not. Corwin trying to buddy up to Bella and Bella consistently pointing out he was the same as his recent scum game says she is town.In post 1569, scamper wrote:ok so
- i think the rest of the hood is probably town
- while i realize we cant give credit for having pushed corwin since he flipped traitor, i still think crescent is very town
- i think ausuka, gamma. and datisi are all probable town on play
- my poe rn is just johnny/marci/alex/bella
The thing I have is I don't like Alex in a team with Marci or Johnny in it, hence expanding the POE. I think JF is probably town with an Alex scumflip, and Alex's really bad late shade on Marci felt like an attempt to put pressure on her after Corwin got voted. Alex probably figured out by then that Corwin was traitor, and was trying to stir the pot against Marci. His actions towards her yesterday in general just don't feel like scum/scum.
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Johnny spent most of day 1 up Alex's ass. When he gave reasons for it, I agreed with those reasons. Corwin flipping traitor makes his passive defense, like Marci's passive defense, not look nearly as bad. For those two to be scum together means Johnny did effectively nothing but bus Alex all day, even before he had any pressure at all.In post 1574, scamper wrote:explain what you mean with the alex stuff?In post 1571, Crescent wrote:The thing I have is I don't like Alex in a team with Marci or Johnny in it, hence expanding the POE. I think JF is probably town with an Alex scumflip, and Alex's really bad late shade on Marci felt like an attempt to put pressure on her after Corwin got voted. Alex probably figured out by then that Corwin was traitor, and was trying to stir the pot against Marci. His actions towards her yesterday in general just don't feel like scum/scum.
Alex has a really bad vote on Marci's train. After calling her town twice, he suddenly says he's sold and votes her without giving a palpable reason why. Sure, this can be bussing, but later on when she doesn't vote Corwin already at 5 votes (a perfectly reasonable, NAI play), he immediately tries to set her up as scum for it. Ausuka at this time still wanted Marci dead over Corwin, and I could see this as having been an attempt to swing momentum back to Marci, after having figured out Corwin was probably traitor. The argument he uses on her is so bad it feels desperate. Freedom buying into such a bad argument without thinking is probably lazy-town reaction, though.
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Oh and you hit the nail right on the head: If I'm scum who knows I have a traitor, and that's Corwin's first post, I
See, I didn't even have to make the obvious argument for you <3
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Because JF was internally consistent. JF was defending Corwin before it was obvious Corwin was scum. JF was shading Alex before Alex had any pressure. It was Corwin basically disappearing for two solid days that made most of the remaining holdouts lock in on him. Alex felt like he was using Corwin as an early game distraction, and then switched to using Marci as more consistent late distraction.In post 1580, scamper wrote:i reread alexs progression on maerci, and while the sudden reversal from townreading her to jumping on her is a bit odd, im not sure it couldnt come from town, and im not sure why the assumption is he might have figured out corwin was traitor but JF passively defending corwin cant have been for similar reasons...
There isn't really much in JF's ISO, but it does track to a possible lazy-town thought process. His chances of being scum are markedly higher if Alex is town, as it means that lazy all-day tunnel was on town, but I don't see it being both of them.
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I have been in two games with Roden and both games he died night 1 as one of the lowest volume posters.
Roden scumread both Alex and Marci together for most of the day, but then at the end of the day said he suggested he still scumreads both, but doesn't think it's both.
In 2272, I thought scum might've just been trying to kill a PR when they shot him because there wasn't a lot there. There isn't a lot in this ISO that suggests he'd be shot specifically over reads. Like, he does mention in #885 that he finds Alex's vote on Marci really bad and that he could at least see a scenario where it was scum Alex voting town Marci, but he kinda fencesits the two of them almost the entire day.
Roden scumread both Alex and Marci together for most of the day, but then at the end of the day said he suggested he still scumreads both, but doesn't think it's both.
In 2272, I thought scum might've just been trying to kill a PR when they shot him because there wasn't a lot there. There isn't a lot in this ISO that suggests he'd be shot specifically over reads. Like, he does mention in #885 that he finds Alex's vote on Marci really bad and that he could at least see a scenario where it was scum Alex voting town Marci, but he kinda fencesits the two of them almost the entire day.
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I haven't had a clue what Marci is doing since this game started so....In post 1589, scamper wrote:In post 1543, marcistar wrote:its not okay im so embarassed that i didnt read..
akneeways idk who scum is lolim not really sure what marci is doing right now...
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Marci comes off to me as someone who's either actively trolling the game, or someone who just has absolutely no idea how to play it. I constantly oscillate back and forth between these feelings.In post 1597, scamper wrote:bc doing what ur doing right now is incredibly unhelpful and irritating
I'm trying to read her through the actions of others (Such as thinking Alex scum = Marci town), because it all comes off as so fake that she's completely unreadable to me. I may as well just flip a coin on her otherwise.
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To be blunt, you've done little that resembles actually playing to begin with. It's a self-defeating stance to hinge on.In post 1603, marcistar wrote:yeah im not unfamiliar with itIn post 1599, scamper wrote:like i would expect you would not be unfamiliar with the situation of being under pressure in a game, this isnt ur first game, but ur acting like its the end of the world
in like 90% of the games i play im always sused
it is thr end of the world tho, how do u expect me to want to play when yall r gonna be like this
You barely generate content, and you get sussed for it. You then complain about the suspicion without acknowledging it's that kind of unhelpful behavior that generates that suspicion on you in the first place. Like, regardless of your alignment, you've gotten nothing your own play doesn't warrant.
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Oh yeah I was meaning to ask what exactly does this post even mean?In post 1523, Bellaphant wrote:Ugh. I feel set up and played.
Alex's positioning on rit is horrible though.
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Because I had already checked off the only 3 people who had never voted for Corwin. Alex being scum takes Marci and JF off the table, and Corwin being scum took Bella off the table.In post 1628, Datisi wrote:how does the prior text follow into this?In post 1556, Crescent wrote:What this means is: The chance is pretty high that both scum voted for Corwin at some point.
If Alex is town, Marci and JF are revisited. Otherwise, the other scum had to have jumped on him at some point. Obvious first place to look is the initial surge of 5 votes.
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A lotta people got sucked into the AtE so that doesn't really mean much to me. He tied himself to me in his opening post as well. Anyways...
In post 1482, Corwinoid wrote:Counting the hood as a PR seems strange to me.
Did Bella ever actually claim, or did she just soft claim with the 'something weird' post? Did I miss a post here?
When it comes down to it, this may be the best part of the argument for you being town as far as I'm concerned. Corwin does not strike me as a player with the foresight to make posts that are obviously rolefishing you if he knows you are scum. What I saw was someone who looked to be trying to force questions (such as going after Ausuka's claim) instead of answering the questions that were already there.In post 1485, Corwinoid wrote:But people are assuming she's a PR to assess setup against my claim.In post 1484, Crescent wrote:Bella has not claimed, nor has there ever any need for her to do so.
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Scum could not have known Corwin was traitor until it was dead obvious he was scum, which I don't think happened until I launched three arguments at once at him and he disappeared for almost two days.In post 1642, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Ok, so they didn't know Corwin was bulletproof or whatever. That means it wouldn't have necessarily been their priority to defend him, even if they suspected he was traitorIn post 1512, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Mafia team is aware of your existence but not your identity or your specific abilities
It's specifically why the aligned flip makes you look way better than a normal flip would've. You effectively have plausible deniability that you were defending scum.
What are your current reads?
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I think the chance of scum being in the first 5 votes is very plausible with how quickly they flew on.In post 1674, scamper wrote:why do you think mafia were on the wagon? the traitor flip screws up all my thoughts on the wagonomics, i thought mafia might have been distancing from the elim expecting a town PR flipIn post 1672, JohnnyFarrar wrote:1. We are mind melding on the first two pointsIn post 1569, scamper wrote:ok so
- i think the rest of the hood is probably town
- while i realize we cant give credit for having pushed corwin since he flipped traitor, i still think crescent is very town
- i think ausuka, gamma. and datisi are all probable town on play
- my poe rn is just johnny/marci/alex/bella
2. Your POE was entirelyoffthe wagon? I don't think you're scum but I do think you need to examine your thought process
And did anyone actually buy Corwin's JK claim? Bella and Marci were the only two who seemed interested in showing him any sort of mercy at all, and Marci was more because she thought he was being "bullied".
There are exactly 3 people who never voted him. Thinking the solve is that easy is dangerously lazy.
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This requires foresight that I'm not sure Corwin actually has. He was using her to defend himself from the setup meta so he didn't have to defend himself from the actual arguments against him.In post 1681, Alexcellent wrote:This is the sticking point though. I read this initially as Corwin kinda flailing and attacking other claims to try and make his fake claim more believable, which probably gives more support to town!bella, although this just be distancing I guessIn post 1482, Corwinoid wrote:Counting the hood as a PR seems strange to me.
Did Bella ever actually claim, or did she just soft claim with the 'something weird' post? Did I miss a post here?
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JF has 8 posts today.
6 have absolutely no value.
7th is basically sheeping me on Scamper. Also says Scamper needs to re-examine his thought process.. At least Scampwe has a thought process.
The other is his one true content post that says the most likely scum on Corwin is Gamma, and 36 hours later we still don't have a reason why. It kinda looks like he ripped someone right out of the POE in my wall without thinking it through.
He voiced some very light suspicion on Gamma in #634 yesterday, but the reason is very vague and an excuse is made not to pursue it. We still don't know what Gamma did towards me that spurred it.
6 have absolutely no value.
7th is basically sheeping me on Scamper. Also says Scamper needs to re-examine his thought process.. At least Scampwe has a thought process.
The other is his one true content post that says the most likely scum on Corwin is Gamma, and 36 hours later we still don't have a reason why. It kinda looks like he ripped someone right out of the POE in my wall without thinking it through.
He voiced some very light suspicion on Gamma in #634 yesterday, but the reason is very vague and an excuse is made not to pursue it. We still don't know what Gamma did towards me that spurred it.
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Yep. I would think Johnny wouldn't have made a kill last night unless the other scum was in an even worse position than he was.In post 1708, Datisi wrote:really? wasn't he collectively null at best at eod1?
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Except you tried to do it with Corwin/Bella, and now you're trying to do it with Bella/Ausuka.In post 1742, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: crescent
I think she’s trying to play both sides here. Before STD’s result she was shading JF and after she tries to sling mud onto the JF voters
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I'd like to mention though in general, this vote fits in line with the vibe I have gotten from Gamma today. Gamma is throwing shade all over the place: Alex, Ausuka, Bella, JF, and myself so far. No one else has consistently tried to throw mud on as many different players as Gamma, who is now voting me for slinging mud onto a consistent group of people I've already said I think scum is part of. I don't even know where the Ausuka shade is coming from.
...It is interesting how the name "Datisi" does not appear in a single Gamma post today outside of quoting Scamper once.
...It is interesting how the name "Datisi" does not appear in a single Gamma post today outside of quoting Scamper once.
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And lord I don't know how many times it takes to nudge JF into actually giving an argument because I was interested in hearing it but zzz.
marcistar Jul 01, 01:42pm Jul 12, 04:22pm 0 days 19 hours 203
Ausuka Jul 01, 01:32pm Jul 12, 02:32pm 0 days 20 hours 209
JohnnyFarrar Jul 02, 03:09am Jul 12, 01:38pm 0 days 21 hours 75
Save The Dragons Jul 01, 01:25pm Jul 12, 11:07am 1 day 0 hours 70
...Ok this game has kinda just gone inactive in general. All that day 1 energy kinda just died.
Regardless, good luck arguing yesterday that I didn't genuinely believe Corwin was scum and that I wasn't genuinely out to mutilate him. Much like I chided STD with day 1... A vote that soft on me is effectively worthless.
marcistar Jul 01, 01:42pm Jul 12, 04:22pm 0 days 19 hours 203
Ausuka Jul 01, 01:32pm Jul 12, 02:32pm 0 days 20 hours 209
JohnnyFarrar Jul 02, 03:09am Jul 12, 01:38pm 0 days 21 hours 75
Save The Dragons Jul 01, 01:25pm Jul 12, 11:07am 1 day 0 hours 70
...Ok this game has kinda just gone inactive in general. All that day 1 energy kinda just died.
Regardless, good luck arguing yesterday that I didn't genuinely believe Corwin was scum and that I wasn't genuinely out to mutilate him. Much like I chided STD with day 1... A vote that soft on me is effectively worthless.
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Can you point out what specific AtE this was? I feel like I'm starting to develop mental blocks for actually remembering Marci's actions so far.In post 1752, Ausuka wrote:Do you not think I might have been referring specifically to the AtE that happened shortly before I made that readIn post 1716, Gamma Emerald wrote:I was concerned that you're only now acknowledging the AtE as potentially towny
I feel like it's been happening a while before you took it on board
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That's the thing though. The vote on me is because they're claiming I "played both sides" between JF (who I've never indicated I think is anything other than lazy town today) and my already established POE.In post 1755, Ausuka wrote:I mean this feels like what he was doing earlier when she suspected the Shoshin/freedom slot when they were being fairly obvious town for no apparent reason?
Idk I just think it's flimsy and given that everyone else is able to townread me I find it suspicious. I think it's difficult to see the motivation to play like that as either alignment but it's maybe easier to see as coming from scum than a genuine town thought process.
Pedit: You know I'm not a lurker I'm just ill. I promise I'm not trying to be inactive
They've done worse than this today with you and Bella (One of you tried to "buddy" the other? How?), tried to save Corwin (who they never made their own argument against) when it was obvious Corwin was scum, with that awful vote on Bella (How were people townreading this vote?), and you add Shoshin into the mix. I feel like Gamma's been trying to play "sides" multiple times this game, so it feels odd that that's the reason I'd get voted by them. It doesn't feel like that vote makes any sense with the way Gamma themself has played so far.
Shading the specific 3 people who are on Johnny (who happen to be my current POE, after the one person on that vote I straight up townread unvoted) after pointing out how useless Johnny had been is consistent play for me. I point out uselessness and I nudge at useless players, and it's not always for the purposes of shade. Gamma knows this from 2272.
I have seen no reason today to think the scum isn't still in my POE.
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Quick note: My first vote in 2272 was mid-day 1 on Andres. It was for the sole purpose of just getting him to talk, and I unvoted as soon as he actually did something. I did the same on day 1 with Gibus in 2273. As soon as he actually showed back up, my vote immediately came off. I was shaded in both games for this, and I didn't care. If I have to "throw mud" at an inactive to get them to do something, I will, and Gamma knows it.
The primary difference is no one in this game was inactive enough to warrant it until Corwin was already about to die, and that was not the time.
The primary difference is no one in this game was inactive enough to warrant it until Corwin was already about to die, and that was not the time.
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Hm. Interesting. I can see it.In post 1756, Ausuka wrote:This specifically pinged town to meIn post 1605, marcistar wrote:okay open my iso
read the first bunches of posting
yknow where i sused asuska and then eventually sused datisi? that IS actual game content whether yall agreed or not
why would i actually try again when suddenly everything i do is useless?
okay keep making me feel like an idiot and see how many reads thatll make me produce.
I've been pretty clear Marci isn't in my POE today anyway, but I can see the possibility of "dejected town" in that post.
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The fact that the three votes on Johnny were the only three people I've ever humored voting off today is more than enough to make me want nothing to do with it.In post 1761, Datisi wrote:why is johnny town
..Even if he doesn't seem to want to actually do anything. I thought I'd at least get SOME response from him when I pointed out how useless he's been.
The only thing that's actually happened so far today is Gamma starting to challenge Alex for who I want to vote off first. It's been a very low energy day, and I haven't seen any compelling reason of any sort to believe I am wrong in my POE so far.
I'll take my chances with a 50% cleared JF who has all the people I think might be scum on him being town.
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And I've seen days like this before all too often. You have a high-energy scum voteoff, and then you have a really lazy day that usually ends up in some random semi-inactive town dying just for existing because people just aren't trying.
I have a pretty solid towncore right now, but I feel like they haven't been around consistently enough for town to actually control the narrative today. STD for example has done virtually nothing.
I have a pretty solid towncore right now, but I feel like they haven't been around consistently enough for town to actually control the narrative today. STD for example has done virtually nothing.
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That's what's come into question recently. At the start of the day it was Alex. What I dislike the most out of their recent play comes from Gamma though.
I dislike the way Gamma has continued to go about shading Bella and Ausuka today. I townread both, and Gamma has been trying to set them up as a 1 town/1 scum since yesterday. There has been no actual explanation for comments like "I think one of you is buddying the other".
But where the play really loses it's feeling of consistency is when probably the biggest fencesitter in the game votes someone for fencesitting.
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My own job situation is probably going to severely crimp my activity soon, which is part of why it's concerning how low-energy this day has been. I don't think I'm going to be in any position to carry momentum the last 2 days of day 2.In post 1774, Save The Dragons wrote:started a new job this week and i'm getting married on Saturday
so i'm effectively V/LA
im trying to keep my head above water. i have some time today so i'll try to spend it looking at this game
It's going to be exactly 8 weeks out of work that I'm returning from. I have a lotta paperwork to deal with soon, and then I really can't risk posting at work, as I have to build my "cred" back up first. I was good enough at my job that they didn't really care if I occasionally poked at my phone before.
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Of course it's playing both sides.In post 1777, Gamma Emerald wrote:That was not “playing both sides”, that was a full turnaround on the situation. Keep over-reaching, it’s aIn post 1775, Crescent wrote:You tried to set up an awkward but harmless looking Bella post as indicative that Bella was scum and Corwin was town.greatlook for you!
Bella dies, flips town, and you go "oops".
Then Corwin gets murdered anyway. The only difference is taking a town out first.
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So basically you're saying you spent a long time saying Corwin/Alex yesterday, but now you're avoiding Alex today after Corwin flipped traitor.In post 1776, Gamma Emerald wrote:I don’t recall calling Alex sus at all today? At most it was towards the very beginning before he started posting stuff I liked.In post 1750, Crescent wrote:I'd like to mention though in general, this vote fits in line with the vibe I have gotten from Gamma today. Gamma is throwing shade all over the place: Alex, Ausuka, Bella, JF, and myself so far. No one else has consistently tried to throw mud on as many different players as Gamma, who is now voting me for slinging mud onto a consistent group of people I've already said I think scum is part of. I don't even know where the Ausuka shade is coming from.
...It is interesting how the name "Datisi" does not appear in a single Gamma post today outside of quoting Scamper once.
k solve is Gamma/Alex sorry for the POE sus Datisi.
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I've defended JF as feeling "consistent" this game, directly said he gives off "lazy town" vibes, and said he's probably town based on my POEIn post 1782, Gamma Emerald wrote:I did not say fencesitting, I said playing both sides.In post 1768, Crescent wrote:That's what's come into question recently. At the start of the day it was Alex. What I dislike the most out of their recent play comes from Gamma though.
I dislike the way Gamma has continued to go about shading Bella and Ausuka today. I townread both, and Gamma has been trying to set them up as a 1 town/1 scum since yesterday. There has been no actual explanation for comments like "I think one of you is buddying the other".
But where the play really loses it's feeling of consistency is when probably the biggest fencesitter in the game votes someone for fencesitting.
And if you legitimately thought JF was town even before StD claimed a result on him, then a) how? and b) you need to work on articulating such things better.
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Bella was a target of opportunity later on when it was dead obvious Corwin was scum. You can't plan for things like that.In post 1788, Gamma Emerald wrote:Yeah this is horseshit. You claimed I was trying to delay Corwin’s flip earlier but here you say I was planning for Corwin to flip town?In post 1781, Crescent wrote:To put it in other words: Corwin was supposed to flip "town" when that stance was being made, so Gamma could immediately backpedal on calling Alex scum.
Him flipping Traitor apparently wasn't in the plan yet, whoops <3
Nice try scumbag!
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In post 1153, Gamma Emerald wrote:corwin/alex
Corwin became more obvious scum in that gap between posts because he was avoiding the game. Both of these theories can easily coincide.In post 1330, Gamma Emerald wrote:scum postIn post 1319, Bellaphant wrote:You know what, this may be controversial but I'm actually inclined to town just leave corwin for today. He did mention some rl shit in the newbie and like....if he's scum, we don't need to sort it today.
I'm soft, though.
VOTE: bellaphant
Good try, though.
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She does have more votes than I do.. Though she doesn't have a vote since post #91, which was on Marci, if memory serves. Kinda doesn't count, I guess.In post 1796, Save The Dragons wrote:bella hasn't really voted all game tbh
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The Bella vote came off as an insane overreaction to me. Scum has more of a reason to have that reaction in that situation than town does.In post 1808, Gamma Emerald wrote:This was my thought as wellIn post 1805, Crescent wrote:That's sure a lot of maybes.
I’ll at least give you your thought process seems consistent
Still think your analysis of my Bella vote has a gaping hole in it.
To reference myself from yesterday, I'm pretty sure I called it "A mega overreaction of an "Ah ha!" moment".
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Bella giving an explanation just gave you an actual reason to do it. That vote was obviously going nowhere as far as forming a train goes, and it was pretty clear no one was going to be joining in.In post 1821, Gamma Emerald wrote:I then back off of Bella + revote Corwin after she explains things
THAT’S the hole
Also, I probably wouldn’t sus both partners that early out of spiteful principle
There's no hole.
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Bella chiming in would be nice, but also Freedom. He's actually done even less than Bella has today, and has yet to even share a read of any kind and has mostly just Hood-talked about STD.In post 1826, Ausuka wrote:Bella could you elaborate on your feelings on these players you'd be willing to eliminateIn post 1744, Bellaphant wrote:Could elim in Alex/Johnny/datisi basically
I know you've found it difficult to get into the game so I'm sorry I can't be more specific but like, just saying the feelings you have about these players and giving them an ISO if you have the time should be fine
It's kinda frustrating how low-energy this day has been. Giving me all sorts of 2273 vibes where half the town sat on it's ass.
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Not really. The logic flows well enough, All I did was murder Corwin with an argument of death he couldn't recover from. All you did was come along for the ride, pretend to shade Alex, and make an awful vote on Bella late in the day while preemptively setting up today's stance against her and Ausuka.In post 1827, Gamma Emerald wrote:In post 1824, Crescent wrote:Bella giving an explanation just gave you an actual reason to do it. That vote was obviously going nowhere as far as forming a train goes, and it was pretty clear no one was going to be joining in.In post 1821, Gamma Emerald wrote:I then back off of Bella + revote Corwin after she explains things
THAT’S the hole
Also, I probably wouldn’t sus both partners that early out of spiteful principle
There's no hole.
I think you see a puzzle that looks almost complete and are trying to ram the last piece in when a whole bunch of others are in the wrong spots
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The problem is I'm townreading all the inactives, and the only two people I am interested in voting for right now are Alex and Gamma.In post 1829, Datisi wrote:you know what would help with thisIn post 1828, Crescent wrote:It's kinda frustrating how low-energy this day has been.
running some fuckers up
who are you voting for?
We've gotten little to nothing out of Bella, Freedom, Johnny, Marci, and STD (until just recently it was nothing). None of these people are in my POE.
And now just like 2273, I'm overexerting myself trying to make up for the fact that half the town isn't doing a damned thing.
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One of the scum was the second most active player in the game (Elsa), after the other highly active town (Eira) dropped off a cliff after day 1. Because Corwin wouldn't stop dogging me, that person was allowed to control much of the game's flow. The second scum (Gera) basically just vanished on day 3 and let the leading scum stay in control. Town was sheeping scum onto votes, and we had two different town end up with lazy trains to -1 in the first two days of day 3 because almost no one was trying.
Corwin, George, Gibus, Goldfish, NM, and Vivax, were all useless town, and only 1 ever actually got replaced. George was voted off day 1 and posted more times in twilight than he did in the entire day.
Corwin, George, Gibus, Goldfish, NM, and Vivax, were all useless town, and only 1 ever actually got replaced. George was voted off day 1 and posted more times in twilight than he did in the entire day.
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Let's see...
STD is pretty obviously town.
I think Bella looks good primarily because I don't think Corwin is savvy enough to do what he did with her if they're both scum. This is almost entirely a read of Corwin being superimposed on Bella. What I saw in 2273 was a player who wasn't capable of next-level plays like rolefishing someone he knows is scum as traitor.
The other three are varying degrees of "I don't think they fit as scum with Alex".
With Marci I can't read that shit I'll be frank. I'm either going to sheep other people or try to use other people to read her. Alex's pressure on her has been consistently bad.
Reading Freedom's ISO, I feel like I've been giving him too much credit. The way he immediately jumped on Alex's awful logic against Marci yesterday suggests they are not both scum, but there isn't a lot there. He'd become closer to a null that I'd need to see more from. We have gotten nothing from him so far on day 2.
And of course the entire sticking point on Johnny is how consistently he's sussed Alex from the start. He doesn't
Like I said earlier though: I townread Alex virtually all of 2273, and I don't have that same townread here.
Alex being town would make me look at Freedom and Johnny harder, I guess. Doesn't change me on STD and Bella at all.
STD is pretty obviously town.
I think Bella looks good primarily because I don't think Corwin is savvy enough to do what he did with her if they're both scum. This is almost entirely a read of Corwin being superimposed on Bella. What I saw in 2273 was a player who wasn't capable of next-level plays like rolefishing someone he knows is scum as traitor.
The other three are varying degrees of "I don't think they fit as scum with Alex".
With Marci I can't read that shit I'll be frank. I'm either going to sheep other people or try to use other people to read her. Alex's pressure on her has been consistently bad.
Reading Freedom's ISO, I feel like I've been giving him too much credit. The way he immediately jumped on Alex's awful logic against Marci yesterday suggests they are not both scum, but there isn't a lot there. He'd become closer to a null that I'd need to see more from. We have gotten nothing from him so far on day 2.
And of course the entire sticking point on Johnny is how consistently he's sussed Alex from the start. He doesn't
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have anything going for him if Alex is town. Like I said earlier though: I townread Alex virtually all of 2273, and I don't have that same townread here.
Alex being town would make me look at Freedom and Johnny harder, I guess. Doesn't change me on STD and Bella at all.
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Honestly though I kinda just feel like Johnny is a VT and just doesn't give a crap. Like, why even mention a scumread of Gamma if you're going to do absolutely nothing about it?
And yikes it's worse than I thought. The guy has 0 posts in 25 hours and 1 post in the last 44 hours. That 1 post is technically not content either, so a prod would be justified, though it feels kinda rude to prod a guy who says his family is sick...
And yikes it's worse than I thought. The guy has 0 posts in 25 hours and 1 post in the last 44 hours. That 1 post is technically not content either, so a prod would be justified, though it feels kinda rude to prod a guy who says his family is sick...
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He came off as genuinely wishy washy in 2273 at a lot of key points. This is a guy who basically took BOTH sides of me vs. Elsa on day 2. We both made a long argument against each other. His response was basically "Oh man I like both of these arguments!" It felt like he was genuinely just saying whatever came to mind, even if it looked dumb.In post 1839, Gamma Emerald wrote:what is different between this game and 2273 for Alex? You're welcome to quote your previous explanation if there is one, I think I asked about this earlier
In this game he vibes me like he's posting with a more measured mindset than he did in 2273. The reactions don't feel as raw and real to me, and I feel like he's actively searching for reasons to shade people in a way he simply did not do in that game. That's primarily where the feeling that he's played "opportunistically" has come from.
I would also argue he was considerably more of a driving force. We did end up voting off town power on days 1 and 2, yes, but he was an early vote on both. He was actively pushing both - Especially the one on day 2. He was after BBT for quite a long time and was insistent on the train. In this game, I feel like it's a lot more of a "wait and see" approach instead of the "Take destiny in my own hands" approach of 2273. It lacks the feeling of genuineness he had in that game.
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Corwin's townplay can quite literally be summed as "I want to vote off who I personally want to vote off and I don't actually care what their alignment is".In post 1848, Gamma Emerald wrote:what was his townplay like back then
Crescent's picture of corwin's abilities are based on a towngame so that should be a point of comparison
Like this is a guy who's scumteam on day 1 was the three people who had voted for him.
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Bella pressure might end up being a good thing to try to force her to engage the game, kinda like the Johnny pressure was.. Trying to do. I don't feel great about it, but I also don't think a claim a necessary. JF did not claim at -2.
Speaking of past Gamma games a moment, Gamma is already way above their 2272 post count (a game in which they were town). The level of engagement/aggression in general here is markedly higher than it was that game. It's possible Gamma is a mood influenced player like I am and that's why it seems like STD and Scamper are conflicting. I'm already in bed but I'll take a look at that ISO tomorrow.
I gave a personal argument on Alex, which he ignored when he voted Datisi for vote hopping, which, to be fair, was a legit criticism. I'm not sure what Datisi's argument on Alex is.
But it is interesting that Alex did not address it at all.
Speaking of past Gamma games a moment, Gamma is already way above their 2272 post count (a game in which they were town). The level of engagement/aggression in general here is markedly higher than it was that game. It's possible Gamma is a mood influenced player like I am and that's why it seems like STD and Scamper are conflicting. I'm already in bed but I'll take a look at that ISO tomorrow.
I gave a personal argument on Alex, which he ignored when he voted Datisi for vote hopping, which, to be fair, was a legit criticism. I'm not sure what Datisi's argument on Alex is.
But it is interesting that Alex did not address it at all.
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Bells hasn't even posted in 29 hours so that's a thing.
Speaking of role interactions though, my last game had a town power role that could effectively break other town power roles through interaction conflicts.
He could kidnap someone into a PT for 24 hours to interrogate them, then decided if he wanted to kill them or let them return to the game. He targeted the guy who gave pineapples to everyone who targeted him, but his role didn't get a pineapple because of the whole kidnapping thing.
The pineapple giver basically spent 4 days screaming about that pineapple that the other guy was insistent he never received.
"Kekeke".
Speaking of role interactions though, my last game had a town power role that could effectively break other town power roles through interaction conflicts.
He could kidnap someone into a PT for 24 hours to interrogate them, then decided if he wanted to kill them or let them return to the game. He targeted the guy who gave pineapples to everyone who targeted him, but his role didn't get a pineapple because of the whole kidnapping thing.
The pineapple giver basically spent 4 days screaming about that pineapple that the other guy was insistent he never received.
"Kekeke".
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I hosted that game. As far as I know that role had never appeared there before. It was a funky design and scum kept stacking misplay after misplay. They had a single unblockable EK that two of their three players could use, had two perfect opportunities to use it, and never did.
Town also had a super gimped doctor who claimed a flavor that was on scum's safelist day 1 as town vanilla, and scum just.. Ignored it. They didn't scan him nor shoot him. They then night 2 blind shot at the one player this guy will always save if he's protection and got their kill blocked.
One of them made a bad scanner claim and then effectively wasted it, too.
Comedy of errors that team.
Also, Gamefaqs. They've done a fantastic job at running all female members of the community off. Women have to work much harder to get anything done, and are often spited for actually putting that work in. In that last Kingmaker game, I had an early scum read on someone, and a newbie basically told me the equivalent of "shut up, the men are talking."
Town also had a super gimped doctor who claimed a flavor that was on scum's safelist day 1 as town vanilla, and scum just.. Ignored it. They didn't scan him nor shoot him. They then night 2 blind shot at the one player this guy will always save if he's protection and got their kill blocked.
One of them made a bad scanner claim and then effectively wasted it, too.
Comedy of errors that team.
Also, Gamefaqs. They've done a fantastic job at running all female members of the community off. Women have to work much harder to get anything done, and are often spited for actually putting that work in. In that last Kingmaker game, I had an early scum read on someone, and a newbie basically told me the equivalent of "shut up, the men are talking."
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The Hood probably is just town yes. The concern was more about Freedom actually contributing today.
I mean I guess it
I still don't find myself sold on this (I freely admit I'm biased by the joke of a game Corwin played in 2273), but the whole "0 posts unannounced in 32 hours " thing kinda makes the pressure feel like a matter of course. Last we saw from her it looked like she was agreeing with Gamma's reasons for voting me, but was still calling me town. Would be nice to get some deeper insight into what that post meant.
I mean I guess it
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This is the same thing Corwin was accused of I think? We've come full circle.In post 1956, scamper wrote:i think bella is avoiding the thread actually
Also Gamma I've never heard of that place before. Interesting.
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Going to be honest a replacement in this situation kind of just feels like total bull.In post 1980, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Do we just save him the trouble?
And yeah I'm thinking about it.
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You kinda just hit it right on the head. It's unfair to a replacement because of how far they need to catch up so fast. It's unfair to the game because we've now stagnated around waiting for Bella, and will have to stagnate even further to wait on the replacement to do anything, or just let the -1 slot live for the sole purposes of giving this player time.
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After taking some quiet time to think, I feel like the game is being held hostage and the best thing to do for the game as a whole is to just end the situation. Things like this can permanently kill the momentum of games, and we've already devolved into shitposting while waiting.
This also works for my schedule, as I return to work on Monday, and the day should be coming back up on Sunday night if I live the night.
VOTE: Bella
Whatever this flips I have no regrets. Let's get this game moving on.
This also works for my schedule, as I return to work on Monday, and the day should be coming back up on Sunday night if I live the night.
VOTE: Bella
Whatever this flips I have no regrets. Let's get this game moving on.
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I have a minute or two between tasklists so full disclosure.
I still thought Bella was probably town, I still don't regret hammering, that replacement is strictly against the rule set I play with and would be denied, and if that situation ever repeats itself, I will immediately hammer in my next post with 0 hesitation or remorse.
That kind of replacement can destroy games. I'll hammer every time regardless of my alignment or what alignment I think the other person is.
I still thought Bella was probably town, I still don't regret hammering, that replacement is strictly against the rule set I play with and would be denied, and if that situation ever repeats itself, I will immediately hammer in my next post with 0 hesitation or remorse.
That kind of replacement can destroy games. I'll hammer every time regardless of my alignment or what alignment I think the other person is.