Warrior Cats Mafia [Day Three]

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I CAN PROBABLY IMPROVE THIS BY REREADING D1

VOTE COUNT 2.5

[7]

T3

: NorwegianboyEE, Alisae, Titus, fireisredsir, Charloux, KittyTacky, Dannflor
[5]

KittyTacky

: Datisi, Cephrir, Something_Smart, SCRRRDBEAR, Bell
[1]

Titus

: PenguinPower

[6]

Not voting

: catboi, Marashu, Shiro, Val89, T3, Mistyx

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With 19 alive, it takes 10 to eliminate.

Day two ends in (expired on 2022-11-10 00:51:10).

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TRUST:
CHARLOUX
PENGUIN

NULL-TRUST:
MISTYX
CEPHRIR
BELL
SS
VAL
CATBOI

NULL:
SHIRO
FIRE
DANNFLOR

NULL-SUS:
ALISAE*
TITUS
T3
NORWEE

SUS:
DATISI

SUS AF:
MARASHU**
KITTYTACKY

*IS DUMB TELLING A PART OF THEIR TOWN META?
**SUBJECT TO HARD CLAIM LATER

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NORWEE AND KITTY INTERACTIONS LOOK PRETTY BAD

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I shept a case that made sense to me and continues to.

A case that made sense to nobody else and that Mastina themselves admitted wouldn't make sense to anyone other than her.
So why did you somehow "get it"?

I believe Mastina when she said that you interact with scumbuddies the way you talked to certain people D1 and also I remember you in Baseball very well.

When i talked to who?
Also i looked up Baseball and i didn't even remember playing in that game until looking it up lmao.

Alisae. And I have a great memory for things like people's playstyle in games.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=88925

THEY PLAYED TOGETHER IN THIS GAME TOO

(YET ANOTHER GAME WHERE KT NEVER GETS MISLIMMED AS TOWN)

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DANN WHAT IS YOUR READ ON FIRE RIGHT NOW?

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This looks...basically fine? I think alisae's main points against you are that:

1. your claimed excuse for being inactive early day 1 doesn't make much sense because there's no reason to believe your usual output in games would be at risk of getting postcapped.
2. your vote on norwee looked like an opportunistic scum one (something I also agreed with)

And after that, okay they get fed up with you and just start mudslinging but I can actually feel this looks like a real thought where you just seem to be calling alisae scum because you're pushing you, which is basically the level 0 move for caught scum. I don't think these reasons are actually as weak as you're trying to describe them as and you come off as significantly worse in this argument.

DID KT'S VOTE ON NORWEE SEEM EMPTY BECAUSE IT WAS OPPORTUNISTIC SCUM OR BECAUSE IT WAS A DISTANCING VOTE?

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NULL-SUS:
ALISAE*
TITUS
T3
NORWEE

MOVE ALISAE UP TO NULL AND NORWEE DOWN TO SUS

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NULL:

ALISAE
FIRE
DANN
SHIRO

NULL-SUS:

TITUS
T3

SUS:

DATISI
NORWEE

SUS AF:

MARASHU**
KITTYTACKY

THE 4 RED AND 1 OF THE YELLOWS IS MY CHOICE FOR THE SCUM TEAM RIGHT NOW. IF ANYONE SEES ANY ANTI-ASSOCIATIVES BETWEEN THESE PLAYERS PLEASE POINT THEM OUT TO ME.

I MIGHT DO A LOT OF READING TOMORROW.

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okay I'm basically caught up

I have cold feet on kittytacky now but I also trust the players voting him significantly more than I do the ones on T3

this post is giving me anxiety

do you still support those wagons? who do you want if not them?

I WANT TO NOTE THAT THIS IS TONALLY OFF BTW.

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VAL CAN YOU GIVE US ANOTHER LAY DOWN ON THE DYNAMICS OF WIND CLAN

Why asking Val?

FOR REFERENCE I READ MORE ANXIETY IN 2607 THAN I DO IN 2655

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okay I'm basically caught up

I have cold feet on kittytacky now but I also trust the players voting him significantly more than I do the ones on T3

this post is giving me anxiety

do you still support those wagons? who do you want if not them?

I WANT TO NOTE THAT THIS IS TONALLY OFF BTW.

why

DOESN'T LOOK LIKE ANXIETY AND DOESN'T REALLY MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO EXPERIENCE ANXIETY THERE

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It made me feel a lil anxious too fwiw

OH. I GUESS I CAN TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT CATBOI.

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yeah sorry i didn't start screaming in all caps in fear so that you can recognise my emotions

also if you don't see a problem with catboi lowkey supporting the wagons and not trying to divert from them while also kind of calling them town, that is again your issue

IT IS PROBLEM I GUESS BECAUSE CATBOI CHECKS A NUMBER OF MARKS FOR "SLOT I GAVE FREE PASS TO EARLY AND THEN FORGOT ABOUT."

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Alisae lost interest in Mastina for some reason im not sure i understand, but i'll revert back to my initial vote until then.

VOTE: Marashu

I am gonna come out and say that I have information about Marashu, we should not yeet them.

We do not have a lot of time left which is why I am coming out with that right no, to prevent any quick yeet.

You can neglet trusting me but it is what it is.

I am not going to disclose said information unless things become too ugly.

Alright then.
VOTE: Mastina

I WANT TO NOTE THE POTENTIAL FOR A DISTANCING VOTE/PUSH BY THE WAY

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almost as if... you are tunnelled on me beyond reason...

TRUE, HOWEVER, THIS IS ALSO WHAT YOU WOULD WANT ME TO THINK AS SCUM.

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Same logic. Strength of read is not an factor, anything from full scumread to just very minor badvibes will be listed the same. That also goes for townreads.

Alisae=

Town

catboi=

Town

Charloux=

Town

Datisi=

Town

Bell=

Town

KittyTacky=

Scum

Dannflor=

Town

Mistyx=

Town

SCRRRDBEAR=

Town

Titus=

Town

fireisredsir=

Town

mastina=

Scum

Frozen Angel=

Town

Cephrir=

Scum

Marashu=

Town

Shiro=

Town

Something_Smart=

Scum

Val89=

Town

T3=

Scum

PenguinPower=

Scum

THIS LIST TO BE USED AND ABUSED WITHOUT MERCY

et tu, brute?

goddammit i know this avatar makes me look scummy but i didn't want to be the one to say it lmfao

i could have had some bitchin anime cat fanart avatar but ydrasse had to give me this IT'S HER FAULT

Not an serious read, but if this was an newbie and you had that avatar i have the feeling you would be 90% rand!scum for it alone.

THIS IS THE FIRST INTERACTION BETWEEN NORWEE AND CATBOI.

ya bro u mad

Dear Ali, you still ain't called or wrote, I hope you have a chance
I ain't mad - I just think it's fucked up you don't answer fans


but on a more serious note if you think my points against kittytacky are bad then actually say so to my face? Because otherwise it looks like you're just letting me go off on kittytacky while shit talking me to your clan

All of us in the girls locker room laughed at your fashion choice earlier today.
Omigosh~

THIS IS THE SECOND INTERACTION BETWEEN NORWEE AND CATBOI.

THAT'S IT. THOSE ARE THEIR ONLY TWO INTERACTIONS. IT DOESN'T REALLY FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE MUCH INTEREST IN SORTING EACH OTHER.

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CATBOI DO YOU KNOW THE PROBABILITY THAT BOTH T3 AND KITTY ARE TOWN?

Like, mathematically or by my own estimation?

Anything's

possible

but I wouldn't guess that it's

likely

.

BOTH

CATBOI I NOTICED THAT YOU AVOIDED ELABORATING HERE (OR AT LEAST I DIDN'T SEE IT)

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Yo bear I got a request can u humor me

IT'S POSSIBLE BUT I DISLIKE YOUR APPROACH SO THAT WILL COUNT AGAINST YOU

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Yo bear I got a request can u humor me

IT'S POSSIBLE BUT I DISLIKE YOUR APPROACH SO THAT WILL COUNT AGAINST YOU

Can u please shut the fuck up?
I mean if you are a wolf u are welcome to keep going but like
If you are a villager, could you like, please stop fucking posting?

I REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS LIKE TO BE A TEEN SO I EMPATHIZE WITH YOUR POINTLESS ANGST. IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING USEFUL FOR ME YOU CAN COMPILE POST TAGS TOGETHER TO FORM YOUR CATBOI CASE, I WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW IT NOW.

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Yo bear I got a request can u humor me

IT'S POSSIBLE BUT I DISLIKE YOUR APPROACH SO THAT WILL COUNT AGAINST YOU

Can u please shut the fuck up?
I mean if you are a wolf u are welcome to keep going but like
If you are a villager, could you like, please stop fucking posting?

THIS POST IS +PROTECTOR OF STARCLAN FOR ALISAE.

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Bear's just a townie, I was feeling a slight twinge of doubt but I don't think this case is particularly likely to be coming from scum. The conviction shown appears real and the little bit of little bit of pre-emptively anticipatin Datisi shifting tactics feels like town who believes they've really caught on to something.

THIS IS THE EXACT POINT WHERE I BECAME BIASED TOWARD BELIEVING CATBOI IS A PROTECTOR OF STARCLAN.

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OKAY *FINE* I WILL MOVE DATISI UP TO NULL-SCUM.

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Riverclan:
-

Frozen Angel (Leader)

- Bell
- fireisredsir
- MistyX
- Cephrir

MY WORKING THEORY IS THAT THE ONLY CLAN WHICH CONTAINED NO DARK ONES WAS THE FIRST CLAN TO HAVE THEIR LEADER ASSASSINATED.

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I BELIEVE TITUS ROLE IS MOST LIKELY TO BE

SCOURGE

, (MAJOR SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO ARE READING THE BOOKS)

Spoiler:

THE PRIMARY ANTAGONIST OF THE FIRST SERIES.

IN MY OPINION, THIS IS THE DISTRIBUTION OF THE DARK ONES BETWEEN THE CLANS:

Thunderclan:
- Charloux (Leader)
-

Marashu

-

KittyTacky

- PenguinPower
- SCRRRDBEAR

Windclan:
- Shiro
- Alisae
-

NorwegianboyEE

- T3
- Val89
-

Titus (Joined mid-day 1)

Shadowclan:
- Dannflor (Leader)
- Datisi
-

Catboi

- Something_Smart
-

Mastina

Riverclan:
-

Frozen Angel (Leader)

- Bell
- fireisredsir
- MistyX
- Cephrir



(MAJOR SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO ARE READING THE BOOKS)

Spoiler:

"You see what happens to cats who defy BloodClan? Your friend here thought he could control us. He was wrong."
―Scourge after killing Tigerstar The Darkest Hour, page 235

Scourge is recruited by Tigerstar to help the ShadowClan leader take over the Clans by force, and leads BloodClan's cats to their territories. He and BloodClan are introduced by Tigerstar to the other Clans, though Scourge's cats refuse to fight under Tigerstar's command due to their loyalty to their leader.

https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Scourge

ON REFLECTION AND REVIEW OF CATBOI'S ISO I BELIEVE CABOI MAY HAVE TMI DATISI AND I TO BE TOWN IN 698. I BELIEVE FROZEN ANGEL WAS KILLED PARTLY BECAUSE THEY ARE THE LEADER OF THE ONLY ALL-TOWN CLAN. I DISLIKE THAT THE PLAYER WHO DISMANTLED THE MARASHU WAGON (SHIRO) IS LOCATED WITHIN WINDCLAN AND THAT THE CURRENT LEADING WAGON SEEMS LIKELY TO BE A TOWNIE WHO WAS LATE INTO THE GAME...AND ALSO IS LOCATED IN WINDCLAN. FINALLY, I BELIEVE THAT THE ENTIRE WINDCLAN IS POCKETED BY NORWEE WHICH WAS A MOTIVATING FACTOR FOR TITUS TO JOIN WINDCLAN, AND THIS IS ALSO THE MAIN CAUSE OF THE T3 WAGON.

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BASED ON THE REACTIONS TO MY SOLVE, I FEEL CONFIDENT ABOUT THE KT-TITUS-CATBOI PORTION, LESS CONFIDENT ABOUT NORWEE, AND I HAVEN'T READ MARASHU'S POST YET. I CAN GO IN DEPTH LATER ABOUT WHY TITUS AND CATBOI REACTIONS ARE AI.

I THINK BOTH MISTYX AND SS REACTIONS ARE A LITTLE AI FOR TOWN.

@bear do you have any further evidence for your titus theory or is it just a guess because i don’t think it’s anywhere near an open and shut flavor solve

I BELIEVE TITUS ROLE IS MOST LIKELY TO BE SCOURGE

Did Scourge ever join a clan? Wouldn't it make more sense for her to be Rusty, or another loner who joined a clan?

Actually, I guess Titus should claim whether or not her flavor is Rusty. If it's not, she doesn't have to claim what it is.

I HAVE NO PRIVATE MECHANICAL INFORMATION WHICH SUPPORTS MY THEORY.

I GUESS SCOURGE WOULD ARGUE THAT IT WAS THE OTHER WAY AROUND AND IT WAS THE CLAN THAT JOINED HIM.

I AGREE THAT BASED ON THE INFORMATION TITUS HAS PROVIDED TO US ABOUT HER ROLE IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE IF SHE WERE AN INNOCUOUS LONER, HOWEVER, I AM VERY SKEPTICAL THAT IS WHAT HER ROLE ACTUALLY EN"TAILS."

IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WHEN DESIGNING A "DARK ONE" PR TO TAKE DOWN STARCLAN, SCOURGE IS ALMOST TOO TEMPTING TO PASS UP, BOTH FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT AND FROM A THEMATIC PERSPECTIVE. THE MECHANIC OF INFILTRATING A CLAN UNDER THE PRETENSE OF ADOPTION LINES UP WITH THE INFO REVEALED BY FIREISRED AS WELL AS YDRASSE'S DESIGN GOAL FOLLOWING TFT TO GIVE THE SCUM TEAM MORE AGENCY AND FLEXIBILITY.

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THE MECHANIC OF INFILTRATING A CLAN UNDER THE PRETENSE OF ADOPTION

I didn't read that part of the series. Is this what happened? I thought Tigerstar just brought him in as a mercenary?

Spoiler:

THAT WAS TIGERSTAR'S MOTIVE YES, BUT THE TWIST IS THAT TIGERSTAR IS A JOKE TO SCOURGE AND HAD NO CONTROL OVER HIM. RIGHT BEFORE THE FINAL BATTLE, SCOURGE TAKES ALL 9 LIVES FROM TIGERSTAR WITH A SINGLE SLASH WHICH STARCLAN TRIED BUT COULDN'T HEAL. SCOURGE REPRESENTS THE ACTUAL END OF STARCLAN IN THE FIRST SERIES, NOT TIGERSTAR. AN ANALOGY MIGHT BE THAT IF TIGERSTAR IS HITLER, SCOURGE IS THE ANTICHRIST.

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The thing I realised that wasn't clear is why Norwee is interested in hashing out my read on Alisae, and not Alisae's read on me; which unless I missed something, was still a scumread and would preclude us being a TRing happy clan together anyway. I also want to go over the games I've been given in case I am mistaken and the similarities are NAI for Alisae, so I'll flesh this out properly once I have answers there.

I GUESS NORWEE COULD BE MORE RELUCTANT TO CHALLENGE ALISAE BECAUSE OF THEIR ANGST, SO THEY ARE FOCUSING ON YOU? I'M NOT SURE.

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The thing I realised that wasn't clear is why Norwee is interested in hashing out my read on Alisae, and not Alisae's read on me; which unless I missed something, was still a scumread and would preclude us being a TRing happy clan together anyway. I also want to go over the games I've been given in case I am mistaken and the similarities are NAI for Alisae, so I'll flesh this out properly once I have answers there.

I GUESS NORWEE COULD BE MORE RELUCTANT TO CHALLENGE ALISAE BECAUSE OF THEIR ANGST, SO THEY ARE FOCUSING ON YOU? I'M NOT SURE.

IT DOES SOUND IMBALANCED AFAIK.

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The thing I realised that wasn't clear is why Norwee is interested in hashing out my read on Alisae, and not Alisae's read on me; which unless I missed something, was still a scumread and would preclude us being a TRing happy clan together anyway. I also want to go over the games I've been given in case I am mistaken and the similarities are NAI for Alisae, so I'll flesh this out properly once I have answers there.

I GUESS NORWEE COULD BE MORE RELUCTANT TO CHALLENGE ALISAE BECAUSE OF THEIR ANGST, SO THEY ARE FOCUSING ON YOU? I'M NOT SURE.

IT DOES SOUND IMBALANCED AFAIK.

WHAT ABOUT NORWEE'S CLAIM THAT THEY ARE THE ONLY ONE SORTING TITUS?

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I wouldn’t say i was the only one sorting Titus like all other players in our hood had given it no thought. But i tried to ask questions and exactly the same theories as was said earlier about them potentially being a scum that could select hood to spy in and etc.

WHY DON'T YOU CONSOLIDATE ONTO KT TO MAKE SCUM FAKE MORE REACTIONS? I DON'T KNOW WHAT T3 IS FLIPPING BUT I WOULD BE STUNNED IF KT FLIPS STARCLAN.

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Ngl KittyTacky is curious on a VCA level but I don't think they're scum.

Flavor is not Rusty or Scourge.

Using curious immediately after it was (dubiously) said to be a scummy word is +town imo, scum would be more careful with wording.

COME ON GUYS, YOUR SCUM THEATER HAS NO SPARK.

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I wouldn’t say i was the only one sorting Titus like all other players in our hood had given it no thought. But i tried to ask questions and exactly the same theories as was said earlier about them potentially being a scum that could select hood to spy in and etc.

WHY DON'T YOU CONSOLIDATE ONTO KT TO MAKE SCUM FAKE MORE REACTIONS? I DON'T KNOW WHAT T3 IS FLIPPING BUT I WOULD BE STUNNED IF KT FLIPS STARCLAN.

You will be stunned then if the wagon on me goes through.

I CAN SEE WHY YOU GET ELIMINATED EARLY AS SCUM A LOT, KITTY. I RESPECT THE EFFORT YOU CONTINUE TO PUT INTO IT ANYWAY WHICH I PRESUME IS BORNE OF A DESIRE TO NOT LET DOWN YOUR TEAM. IRONICALLY, I SUSPECT IT'S THIS SAME NOBILITY THAT MOTIVATES YOU TO PERSEVERE WHICH ALSO INTERFERES WITH YOUR ABILITY TO LIE EFFECTIVELY.

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"If you're trying to feign shock or anger, it's much harder to do over a long period. People accused of something they're trying to hide will start out feigning outrage – 'How dare you ask me that?' But that will start to change to objection rather than shock, as it's psychologically very difficult to mimic emotion."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_( ... ame_theory

Why did you not respond to what i said.

I missed it. I often miss things, especially when I'm not quoted.

This?

I think Alisae is town.
Alisae thinks i am town.
Val thinks it’s really unlikely for me/Alisae team.

So what? We’re all scum saving each others ass?

Yes.

Just do the math and back off.

No.

i think kitty taking offense to the "his reads are worse than random" thing is >rand town

TOTAL BULLSHIT AND MOCK OUTRAGE RESPECTIVELY; KITTY FEELS PREPARED TO MISLEAD STARCLAN.

I wouldn’t say i was the only one sorting Titus like all other players in our hood had given it no thought. But i tried to ask questions and exactly the same theories as was said earlier about them potentially being a scum that could select hood to spy in and etc.

WHY DON'T YOU CONSOLIDATE ONTO KT TO MAKE SCUM FAKE MORE REACTIONS? I DON'T KNOW WHAT T3 IS FLIPPING BUT I WOULD BE STUNNED IF KT FLIPS STARCLAN.

You will be stunned then if the wagon on me goes through.

THE BULL SHIT SELF META AND MOCK OUTRAGE RECEDE INTO MERE OBJECTION DUE TO PROLONGED STRESS OF LYING.

I CAN SEE WHY YOU GET ELIMINATED EARLY AS SCUM A LOT, KITTY. I RESPECT THE EFFORT YOU CONTINUE TO PUT INTO IT ANYWAY WHICH I PRESUME IS BORNE OF A DESIRE TO NOT LET DOWN YOUR TEAM. IRONICALLY, I SUSPECT IT'S THIS SAME NOBILITY THAT MOTIVATES YOU TO PERSEVERE WHICH ALSO INTERFERES WITH YOUR ABILITY TO LIE EFFECTIVELY.

THIS IS THE ABSOLUTE BURNOUT STAGE WHERE NOT EVEN WORDS CAN BE PRODUCED AS OBJECTIONS.

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Bear, quick question.
If you’re wrong will you accept being eliminated next?

ON KT YEAH, SURE. I WOULD LITERALLY BET $2000 1:1 ON KT FLIPPING DARK. ON CATBOI NOT QUITE BUT I'M GETTING THERE. TITUS NO BUT I'D BE TEMPTED, AND ON DATISI/NORWEE NO NOT ANYMORE. WHY DO YOU ASK?

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saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad

okay need to take a break

I'll try to rewrite it this afternoon

VOTE: fireisredsir

I no longer think mistyx is scum

DANNFLOR I'M ALL EARS AND IN ORDER FOR ME TO SHEEP YOUR READ I NEED TO FEEL LIKE YOU'VE OBSERVED SOMETHING ABOUT FIRE WHICH CAN'T BE EXPLAINED AWAY AS A SCUMMY TOWN GAME.

I GUESS NORWEE COULD BE MORE RELUCTANT TO CHALLENGE ALISAE BECAUSE OF THEIR ANGST, SO THEY ARE FOCUSING ON YOU? I'M NOT SURE.

I missed where Alisae said during the D1 T3 flashwagon attempt that they thought T3 was scum-in-the-hood because they also TR everyone else. My bad.

To answer your question about the current dynamics in a bit more detail: Norwee thinks there is one scum in Windclan (as does Alisae), and it is most likely T3 because they are TRing everyone else. I am inclined to agree there is at most one, because I can't make pairings in there make sense - I remain confident it isn't Norwee/Alisae; Shiro+{T3, Alisae} is possible, but unlikely - I have Shiro in my 'treat as town' bucket, and T3/Alisae seems unlikely too. This is ignoring Titus given she chose to join Windclan.

I'm TRing Norwee, although when thinking about it, I am only really doing so because I don't think the two are S/S, and I think it's Alisae, plus (apart from having exactly 5 scum reads on his association exercise matching scumreads he had already disclosed, and having everyone else town - which I thought would be a co-incidence if you were truly doing it off the cuff, but certainly possible) I hadn't seen anything to really ping me scummy there, and there is a decent amount of activity in clan, if not main thread, for me to think I would have seen something - it's not like he's lurking.

T3 isn't posting. Norwee thinks a T3 flip will be informative, but when questioned it basically boiled down to if they flipped town, he would have to re-consider who was scum in Windclan - which is fine, I guess, looking through a Norwee lens, but it doesn't help me because I already think if we do have scum, it's Alisae, not T3. A scum!T3 would be +town for Alisae in my eyes, though, so if that flips happens, and it's a mislim and that forces Norwee to re-eval, fine; and if it's not and I need rethink Alisae, then that's not the end of the world either given T3 isn't really doing much to help anyone at this point.

THAT'S INCREDIBLY HELPFUL, THANK YOU. WAS THE ASSOCIATION EXERCISE DONE IN MAIN-THREAD? I DON'T REMEMBER READING THAT.

THAT'S NOT MY MAIN FOLLOW UP QUESTION(S) THOUGH: WHY ARE YOU TREATING SHIRO AS TOWN (JUST THE CLAIM?) AND WHY AREN'T YOU INTERESTED IN ASSOCIATIVES WITH TITUS? THE FACT THAT TITUS CHOSE WIND CLAN AND WON'T TALK ABOUT WHY MAKES ME THE MOST INTERESTED IN ASSOCIATIVES WITH HER.

MY MAIN ISSUE WITH T3 AS A CHOICE IS THAT I DON'T THINK THEIR PLAY MAKES MUCH SENSE AS TOWN OR SCUM AND NO ONE TOOK UP THE GAUNTLET TO ADDRESS THE CRITICISM I PUT FORWARD IN 2324 (FOR EXAMPLE, T3 CAN HIGH POST AS SCUM.) THEY SEEM TO HAVE PROGRESSED TO THE BURN OUT STAGE SO QUICKLY THAT I ONLY FEEL OKAY WITH ELIMINATING THEM INSTEAD OF GREAT BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO HAVE NAI POTENTIAL.

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Let’s kill Kitty.

Also, I can’t recall if it’s in the rules. But no betting in game amongst players.

WHY DID YOU IGNORE MY QUESTION?

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you literally said you'd bet money on him flipping scum and now you're not confident enough to vote him?

FLAME BAIT DETECTED--CAUTION, CHARLOUX--CARELESSNESS IS THE BIGGEST CAUSE OF FIRE

Look at bear blatantly fishing me after I said I joined the towniest clan. Lol

T3, fire, pp, bear +1

FLAME BAIT DETECTION DOUBLE-TIME: BE A HERO, LEARN FIRE PREVENTION

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why do I have to fucking read alisae's ISO to understand your read

"If you're trying to feign shock or anger, it's much harder to do over a long period... "

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_( ... ame_theory

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you know bear there’s an old saying that goes “fire alone can save our clan”

you sure you wanna be preventing it?

TOUCHÉ. FIRE ALSO KILLED A BUNCH OF CATS IN

Spoiler:

SERIES 1, BOOK 4

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why do I have to fucking read alisae's ISO to understand your read

"If you're trying to feign shock or anger, it's much harder to do over a long period... "

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_( ... ame_theory

oh for sure man

god I love when I finally catch someone doing some real scummy shit and the entire game goes "lalalala I can't hear you"

I love mafia

I love the games on this website

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I mean - I've objectively shown you lied but sure, keep on ig.

PENGUIN IS TRUSTWORTHY AND TITUS IS NOT

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Let’s kill Kitty.

Also, I can’t recall if it’s in the rules. But no betting in game amongst players.

WHY DID YOU IGNORE MY QUESTION?

What question?

WHY DO YOU ASK?

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why do I have to fucking read alisae's ISO to understand your read

"If you're trying to feign shock or anger, it's much harder to do over a long period... "

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_( ... ame_theory

oh for sure man

god I love when I finally catch someone doing some real scummy shit and the entire game goes "lalalala I can't hear you"

I love mafia

I love the games on this website

what are you even trying to do right now dude

"...But that will start to change to objection rather than shock, as it's psychologically very difficult to mimic emotion."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_( ... ame_theory

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I wanted to see how you’d react, since you seem very confident.
I wanted to see if you might slow down, or hesitate or think on whether your read was really correct or not.

OKAY I GET THAT. DID YOU GLEAN ANYTHING FROM MY REACTION?

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I wanted to see how you’d react, since you seem very confident.
I wanted to see if you might slow down, or hesitate or think on whether your read was really correct or not.

OKAY I GET THAT. DID YOU GLEAN ANYTHING FROM MY REACTION?

You may be alone and you’re probably a whale if you play phone games.

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WAS THE ASSOCIATION EXERCISE DONE IN MAIN-THREAD? I DON'T REMEMBER READING THAT.

I'm talking about 1434. And looking at it again now, there was actually six reads, so even the minor scumping on Norwee was my mistake.

WHY ARE YOU TREATING SHIRO AS TOWN (JUST THE CLAIM?)

Correct. I have another small independent reason to leantown on shiro, but it's the claim that's made me just put that read aside for now. Same logic as Titus, but it'll depend on what the claim actually is. We will need clarification before too long.

WHY AREN'T YOU INTERESTED IN ASSOCIATIVES WITH TITUS? THE FACT THAT TITUS CHOSE WIND CLAN AND WON'T TALK ABOUT WHY MAKES ME THE MOST INTERESTED IN ASSOCIATIVES WITH HER.

My point in that previous posts is that I was looking at the number of scum in the original Windclan members - I can't see any reason Titus could, or could not be scum with any other member of Windclan, so when I say there is likely 0 or 1 scum in Windclan, that's actually 0, 1 or 2 when you add in Titus. My working theory at the moment is that if titus is scum (and my independant read on Titus has been a light townlean for mech reasons we discussed earlier, ircc) scum sent her to Windclan (and perhaps took advantage of the swap mecahnic fire told us about to make sure it was specifically Titus, who I understand has a reputation that proceeds) to make sure they had someone in Windclan - ie: that she is telling us the truth one way or another about Windclan simply being the towniest. She has also hinted there are undisclosed mech reasons why Windclan was the choice and I'm happy to defer drawing conclusions about Titus today to see what those are and if that changes things for me.

OKAY, GREAT. I FEEL LIKE WE MIGHT BE ON THE SAME PAGE OVERALL AND I'M INCLINED TO AGREE WITH YOUR NORWEE/ALISAE TAKES. THE MAIN DISCORDANCE IS I'M SCUM LEANING TITUS RATHER THAN TOWN LEANING THEM, THOUGH I'M NOT ULTRA CONFIDENT ON THAT YET.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

Kda means kill death assist.
Enchant hammers most people in the game and maybe dies once.
So number of eliminations divided by number of deaths gives a KD number.
I guess i should clarify i meant it as a joke.

Btw anybody knows why those two left? I figure Enchant did something in a prior game.

enchant replaced into a game catboi was modding and instantly gamethrew and then tried to justify his actions in post game

NEITHER OF THESE STATEMENTS ARE

ENTIRELY

TRUE FOR THE RECORD, I'VE SEEN ENCHANT DELIBERATELY REFRAIN FROM QUICKHAMMERING AS WELL AS ADVOCATE PRO TOWN LINES OF PLAY IN A NUMBER OF GAMES RECENTLY AND I BELIEVE THEY ARE MAKING A GENUINE EFFORT TO BE A GOOD PLAYER.

I BELIEVE THERE IS AN ELEMENT OF ELITISM/IDOLIZATION AT PLAY; I'VE SEEN EVERY PLAYER WHO HAS COMPLAINED ABOUT ENCHANT GIVE INDIVIDUALLY PATHETIC PERFORMANCES THEMSELVES AS TOWN WHEN THE OCCASION STRIKES. I DON'T BELIEVE TOWN'S EV HAS GONE UP OR DOWN DUE TO THE RECENT SHIFT IN PLAYERS AND I WOULD STAKE SOME MONEY ON THAT CLAIM AS WELL. IMO ONE OF THE PLAYERS WHO LEFT IN DISGUST WAS QUITE UNPLEASANT THEMSELVES DURING THEIR TIME IN THIS GAME, SO I WON'T PERSONALLY BE SHEDDING ANY TEARS OVER RECENT EVENTS.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

Ok, well i guess that's good enough for now.

FOR THE RECORD, they came and were like "is this the mafia PT?" before saying they had specifically no info about Marashu in their ROLE PM which sounded extremely sus.

VOTE: T3

OKAY I STAND BY WHAT I SAID AND I ALSO AGREE THAT IS ASKING FOR IT QUITE A BIT. FWIW I DON'T THINK IT COMES FROM A MALICIOUS PLACE AND I'M SKEPTICAL THAT THEY WERE DELIBERATELY TRYING TO THROW THE CATBOI GAME.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

My goal is to get eliminated within the first page for having a dog avatar.

Task failed successfully i guess?

Am i the only one in the thunderclan, nobody posted anything yet apart from me?

I've posted in the ThunderClan PT. I don't see your post in there. Double-check that you posted in the right PT?

Would appreciate an answer to this!

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Charloux

I was just messing with him?

I don't understand what the problem is. I saw him being the only one to post in the pt and was like "Is there anybody in the thread" to have fun.
Was going to keep playing dumb but i guess it's better not?

MY FEELING IS THAT ENCHANT'S INTENT WAS SIMILAR TO HERE, IT JUST CAME AT AN ESPECIALLY POOR TIME IN THE STATE OF THE GAME WHILE TENSIONS WERE HIGH (WHICH TBH IF THEY GET LIMMED FOR THAT IT IS KIND OF ON THEM.)

[SCRRRDBEAR]

like why the fuck do people who KNOW I do not like them and do not want them in my games keep trying to join games I am in

1. i didn't read playerlist
2. you banned me from games you moderated, you never stated i should't play as well

Unbelivable.

Cool, now i feel bad.

FWIW I ALSO HAVE A STRANGE READ THAT THIS REACTION IS +STARCLAN THOUGH I'M NOT CLEAR EXACTLY WHY I FEEL THAT WAY.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

I AM A BIT BURNED OUT FROM POSTING LIKE 24 HOURS STRAIGHT AND I KIND OF SUCK AT MECH STUFF ANYWAY SO I WILL RETREAT BACK TO MY LITTLE BEAR DEN IN THUNDER CLAN NOW. I JUST FELT OBLIGATED TO SCREAM MY MESSAGE OF HUMILITY AND SERENITY IN ALL CAPS THAT THERE IS NO NEED TO FREAK OUT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE ENCHANT DID SOMETHING WEIRD.

I don't know if it's in the books or not, but for people who know, our mason PT is the moonpool

YES. SERIES 2 I THINK? VERY COOL.

I WILL REFLECT BUT MY INITIAL REACTION IS TO BELIEVE THE CLAIM AS WELL AS ALIGNMENT FOR MY OWN REASON COMPLETELY OUTSIDE OF MECH. MARASHU SAID SOMETHING MEDICINE CAT-Y IN THE CLAN PT (FORGIVE ME, CHARLOUX) WHICH GAVE ME THE TINIEST OF RESERVATIONS ON THEIR SLOT DURING THE LATTER PART OF D1. I DO HAVE THE BELIEF THAT OUR ROLES EMERGE SUBTLY THROUGH OUR BEHAVIOR AND MY INITIAL TAKE IS THAT IF MARASHU WERE DARK-ALIGNED MEDICINE CAT THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN SOME INDICATION OF MALICE OR CONDESCENSION IN THE MANIFESTATION OF THEIR ROLE. I'LL THINK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT BUT PROBABLY NOT THAT MUCH SINCE AFAIK THEIR ALIGNMENT IS SELF CONFIRMABLE OR WHATEVER.

PEDIT

CINDERPELT ONE OF MY FAV CHARACTERS IIRC.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

HEHE I GOT KITTY IN MY SIGHTS NOW AND I'M READY TO KILL.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

VOTE: TITUS

I'M PREPARING MY VOTE FOR A SNEAK ATTACK ON KITTY

[SCRRRDBEAR]

would it be Bad and Wrong of me to think that the FA kill makes it more likely that one of the leaders is scum

I FEEL LIKE THERE IS SOME DEEP STUFF GOING ON HERE. CAN YOU ELABORATE PLEASE?

[SCRRRDBEAR]

If Kitty and T3 are T/S, I absolutely think scum are going to be bussing their scum buddy here, and thus I think scum is going to be the bigger wagon. I don't think as a scum team you see scum!T3 and town!Kitty and say, oh! We can get a miselim onto Kitty! You just burn all your town credit doing that and burning T3 for credit is way more beneficial than jamming Kitty through. Like, I really don't think you play the way, for example SCRRRDBEAR has been playing, if you are scum with T3 here. If T3 is town and Kitty is scum, the same logic applies. I don't think either slot realistically has a ton of legs in this game. The flip side of town!T3 and scum!Kitty I think means we'd be looking at a gamestate where it's almost all scum on Kitty and mostly all town on T3, which I don't really think makes sense.

CAN YOU ELABORATE MORE ON YOUR THEORY THAT KITTY AND T3 ARE T/S AND THAT THERE IS SCUM ON THE T3 WAGON? WHO DO YOU THINK IS THE SCUM ON THE T3 WAGON?

T3, KITTY, SHIRO, MARASHU, AND DATISI

one of these is not like the others

WHICH ONE?

[SCRRRDBEAR]

meaning any other scum roles start as dormant? I wonder if the warrior's ceremony is the only other mechanism to activate them or if they get their own mechanism

WHAT PROMPTED YOU TO COMMENT ON THIS?

[SCRRRDBEAR]

meaning any other scum roles start as dormant? I wonder if the warrior's ceremony is the only other mechanism to activate them or if they get their own mechanism

WHAT PROMPTED YOU TO COMMENT ON THIS?

[SCRRRDBEAR]

@mod V/LA til Sunday night

BEAR what percentage of the game have you read

MAYBE AROUND 90%. I HAVEN'T REREAD D1 YET. WHY DID YOU DODGE ALL OF MY QUESTIONS?

[SCRRRDBEAR]

@mod V/LA til Sunday night

BEAR what percentage of the game have you read

MAYBE AROUND 90%. I HAVEN'T REREAD D1 YET. WHY DID YOU DODGE ALL OF MY QUESTIONS?

90% OF MAIN THREAD. GAME HAS LOTS OF HOODS, SO I'M PROBABLY A LOT LOWER.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

AT THIS POINT I WOULD BET A COUPLE GRAND THAT T3 IS SCUM WITH MATES ONWAGON.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

can we just hammer t3 and catch the replacements up overnight or something

PLUS 1

VOTE: T3

[SCRRRDBEAR]

HELP US CLEANSE THUNDER CLAN AND ELIMINATE KT TOMORROW, PLEASE

[SCRRRDBEAR]

WAITING HERE IS PRO SCUM. HAMMER NOW TO DENY SCUM FURTHER INFORMATION TO MAKE THEIR CHOICES AND ALLOW THE HOODS TO SORT AND CATCH UP ANYONE WHO IS LOST. EVERY HOOD HAS AT LEAST TWO IF NOT MORE COMPETENT PLAYERS. LET EVERYONE DO THEIR THING. WE WILL BE MORE EFFECIENT SEPARATED INTO TIGHTER UNITS THAN WE WILL IN THIS MAIN THREAD.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

DON'T DELAY, GET OUT OF FIRE'S WAY

[SCRRRDBEAR]

VOTE: TITUS

CHARLOUX TALKED ME OUT OF MY TOWNREAD ON MISTYX BEFORE THEY TRANSFORMED INTO NERO CAIN. I THINK TITUS AND PROBABLY ONE OF DATISI, MISTYX AND/OR KITTYTACKY ARE SCUM ON WAGON YESTERDAY BASED ON HOW T3 ACTED (BEGGING FOR DEATH.) I THINK ALL OF THOSE ARE TINFOIL COMPARED TO A TITUS VOTE AND I'D LIKE TO ELIMINATE TITUS TODAY.

ON REVIEW OF D2, I REALIZED I MISSED SOME POSTS WHILE SLEEP DEPRIVED AND THREAD ACTIVITY WAS HIGH, AND UPON REVIEW I AM NO LONGER SUSPICIOUS OF DANNFLOR. OOPS! I'M SORRY DANNFLOR.

LEADERS

MOST IMPORTANTLY, I'D LIKE TO FORMALLY REQUEST I RECIEVE A WARRIOR CEREMONY TONIGHT ON THE GROUNDS OF MY SPECIAL ABILITY. REGARDLESS OF WHETHER I AM KILLED TO PREVENT IT OR ALLOWED TO EXECUTE IT, THE DARK ONES WILL FACE SOME LOSS DUE TO MY PROMOTION TONIGHT. I'M SURE THERE ARE STRONGER CATS OUT THERE BUT BECAUSE OF THE RELIABILITY OF MY ROLE I THINK THE LEADERS CAN CONSIDER ME A "SAFE" OPTION.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

Can we like not hammer before I have a chance to get into the game please?

I have a theory that Titus deliberately joined the wind hood and I want to explore that. It’s especially valid if she joined after T3 was wagoned but I will have to check time stamps after work.

I WAS WONDERING DURING N2 IF IT WAS TO ENSURE THERE WAS 1 DARK ONE IN THE WINDCLAN HOOD AFTER T3 WAS BUSSED.

I AGREE WITH HOLDING OUT ON HAMMER, THIS IS A COMPLEX GAME AND KIND OF HARD TO GET GOOD READS FMPOV. UNVOTE: TITUS

[SCRRRDBEAR]

CHARLOUX TALKED ME OUT OF MY TOWNREAD ON MISTYX BEFORE THEY TRANSFORMED INTO NERO CAIN.

well we've got time you wanna talk this out or no

THE MAIN CONTENTION WAS WHETHER I WAS OVERTHINKING YOUR SLOT OR THEY WERE UNDERTHINKING IT. I AGREED WITH WHAT THEY SAID BUT PROPOSED YOU WERE BEING SETUP AS A VIABLE MISLIM, FOR EXAMPLE, T3 END OF DAY BEHAVIOR BEING INTENDED TO FRAME YOU BY LOOKING LIKE A SHITTY DISTANCING ATTEMPT. IT WOULD HELP ME IF YOU EXPLAINED YOUR READ TRAJECTORIES D2.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

I'm a stray. Someone adopt me.

I think Titus is town here. Titus doesn’t usually crumb (although sometimes does) as scum. It’s almost a dead give away she’s town here. A lot of people here have played with Titus before so I am curious why people who know her are scumreading her.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

read the rest of her iso and get back to me

Or I can post things as I see them and post thoughts and see why people think what they do?

If I had to read every iso before posting I wouldn’t get anywhere.

MULTIPLE OCCASIONS OF FALSE BRAVADO IN A SPECIFIC WAY THAT FEELS UNLIKE TOWN TITUS. THEY SEEMED TO BE UNINTERESTED IN VCA AND FORMED THEIR EARLY READS LIKE A PLAYER WHO SCUM HUNTS IN A PURELY BEHAVIORAL WAY. THEIR CERTAINTY IN THE T3 FLIP FELT LIKE THEY WERE MILKING IT FOR BUS CRED. THEY ALSO HAVE BEEN UNWILLING TO ELABORATE ON PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING AND BASICALLY OMGUS ANYONE WHO MAKES A SERIOUS ATTEMPT TO PUSH THEM.

I THINK THAT IS A GOOD POINT ABOUT THE ROLE CRUMB, AND MY COUNTER ARGUMENT IS THAT THIS IS A GAME WHERE SHE WOULD BE MORE MOTIVATED TO CRUMB HER ROLE AS SCUM BECAUSE SHE WILL BE JOINING A CLAN LATER AND WILL NOT WANT TO ALARM THEM AND BE POORLY RECIEVED ON THE OUTSET.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

I DON'T THINK THIS IS REPRESENTATIVE OF WHY OTHERS SCUMREAD TITUS, THESE ARE JUST PERSONALLY POSTS I NOTICED WHICH I REMEMBER PINGING ME.

I'M NOT GETTING INTO ANY OF HER POSTS SURROUNDING THE T3 SLOT. IF YOU NEED ME TO EXPLAIN WHY I THOUGHT IT LOOKED LIKE SHE WAS BUSSING T3, I CAN GET INTO THAT NEXT IN A SEPARATE POST IF YOU ASK ME TO.

VOTE: Charloux

Don't like the response to my stray claim on multiple levels.

Explain

I don't explain myself to scumreads.

DOESN'T FEEL LIKE TOWN TITUS.

@Bear, I'll focus on getting a read there when I catch up.

ALSO DOESN'T FEEL LIKE TOWN TITUS, SIMILAR TO ABOVE.

SPOILER: THEY NEVER FINISH CATCHING UP.

Why are you saying things to try and get a rise out of me? There is a large chunk I haven't read. That's how I roll when afk for a bit.

ATE

Yes no?

I READ THIS AS MILKING THE THEME FOR TOWN READS. CONSIDERING HOW INVESTED THEY ALLEGEDLY ARE IN THE GAME, THEY AREN'T REALLY DOING MUCH TO TRY AND SOLVE IT.

I want a claim so I can make my move accordingly.

Worst case, we flip a lurker. We need town to work together, which means someone compromise.

SOUNDS LAMIST AND BULLSHIT FROM ANYONE, NON TITUS-SPECIFIC, CLASSIC SCUMTELL.

I might bake cookies.

UNVOTE: Marashu

SEEMS IRREVERENT AND DERPY IN A WAY WHICH DOESN'T FEEL LIKE TOWN TITUS.

I am not a beacon of obvtown, but do not consider giving me warrior powers until I say I'm eligible. This is not a fakeout.

PINGED ME HARD AS SOUNDING LAMIST.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

BEAR who was setting up Misty to be a miselimination in your previous estimation

IF

SHE IS TOWN, WHICH IS A BIG IF, THEN SHE INCRIMINATED HERSELF YESTERDAY BY AWKWARDLY PUSHING SLOTS IN WHAT APPEARS TO BE AN ATTEMPT TO WIDEN THE POE. MY ORIGINAL THEORY WAS THAT T3 OBSERVED THIS HAPPENING AND PUSHED HER BADLY EOD IN ORDER TO CONNECT HIMSELF WITH HER POST FLIP SO SHE GETS MISLIMMED INSTEAD OF TITUS. MY CURRENT THEORY IS THAT TITUS AND MISTYX ARE JUST OBVIOUS SCUM AND I WAS BAMBOOZLED BY MISTYX' "AW I'M SO SCARED" ACT.

FOR EXAMPLE, LOOK AT MISTYX D2 TRAJECTORY ONTO SS AND THEN ONTO T3. HAHAHAHA

[SCRRRDBEAR]

Wow, another game where I can’t read Titus to save my life.
What a surprise.

It's okay. I solved the game mostly. You can just eliminate my SRs and then paranoid me lim after.

I POPPED IN TO VOTE TITUS BY THE WAY.

VOTE: TITUS

[SCRRRDBEAR]

well T3 had been setting up for a push on me for a while so i think that throws some weight out of your theory

NOPE

[SCRRRDBEAR]

Mistyx is scummy. She’s saying that things are arbitrary but not actually offering her own suggestions as to what the thread should be talking about. 452 is also scummy because it’s questioning mech stuff that isn’t public. Also her asking why mastina’s Norwee vote is the only vote Norwee cares about is bad because mastina was leading the wagon. 601-609 progression is bad. Her questioning of KT is good and displays clear scumhunting.

FENCE SITTING. T3 CAN GO IN EITHER DIRECTION FROM HERE. LOOK AT HIS LAST SENTENCE.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

SO WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO CLAIM THAT T3'S BAD DISTANCING OF YOU WASN'T ACTUALLY BAD DISTANCING, IT WAS MEDIOCRE DISTANCING? WHY WOULD THAT MAKE ME TOWNREAD YOU?

[SCRRRDBEAR]

actually if you see me posting for the next half hour yell at me to stop i have more important things i need to deal with rn

ATE

[SCRRRDBEAR]

actually if you see me posting for the next half hour yell at me to stop i have more important things i need to deal with rn

ATE

I feel like that's just a useful self discipline tactic

OH NO SHE TRICKED CEPHRIR HE'S BEEN RADICALIZED

[SCRRRDBEAR]

IF ANYONE SEES ME POSTING FOR THE NEXT 24 HOURS TELL ME TO STFU I HAVE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO. ALSO I STAND BY MY TITUS READ, MISTYX I THINK SCUM BUT I'M LESS SURE. KITTY/DATISI ARE THE REST OF MY POE.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

actually if you see me posting for the next half hour yell at me to stop i have more important things i need to deal with rn

ATE

im going to politely request that you take this back before i make both of us look like total jerks

MAKE ME SISTA'

[SCRRRDBEAR]

DATISI, IN YOUR EXPERTISE, IF D2 WERE AN SvS CROSS BETWEEN KT AND T3, WHERE WOULD THE SCUM TEAM BE MOST LIKELY TO POSITION THEMSELVES GIVEN SOME DEGREE OF COMPETENCE AS A SCUM TEAM?

[SCRRRDBEAR]

i think he probably isn't, unfortunately

HAAAAY GIRLFRIENDS, LET'S TALK SHIT ABOUT THE GIRL WHO ISN'T HERE TODAY.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

DATISI, IN YOUR EXPERTISE, IF D2 WERE AN SvS CROSS BETWEEN KT AND T3, WHERE WOULD THE SCUM TEAM BE MOST LIKELY TO POSITION THEMSELVES GIVEN SOME DEGREE OF COMPETENCE AS A SCUM TEAM?

either bussing whichever one looked more likely to flip, or testing the waters for some third wagon.

though this is an answer purely on theory

YEAH YEAH WE GO THEORY INTO SPECIFICS

DOES THIS FIT IN THEORY?

honestly at this point i think scrrrdbear is probably mafia

i don't have the energy to put together a coherent case but a lot of the progression from today just feels unnatural?

like i think he was just throwing people into his suspect pool for the sake of it

i don't get the progression on T3
i don't get how he went from tunneling kitty to "oh i dont like some of kitty's comments but that hood could be pure ig" and the only real reasoning seemed like it was me pushing T3?
i don't like the random questioning of fire (maybe it was catboi) reading me that never went anywhere on either side

i just feel like he's been kinda taking the path of least resistance all day and it's weirding me out

i will freely admit i'm being paranoid but the "you're either scum or paranoid from sleep deprivation" line feels kind of like a gaslight?

and i don't mean this pejoratively or as a personal attack or anything like that that's just genuinely how it reads to me

i'm becoming paranoid because there's supposedly 5 scum in the game but the most that consensus can come up with is circling back to just kitty/T3, and we don't really have any sort of towncore leadership that i can tell

it feels like there's fundamental issues in gamestate that aren't being addressed so i threw out something that i thought was plausible to explain them

Alisae
catboi
Charloux
Datisi
NorwegianboyEE
Bell
KittyTacky
Dannflor
Mistyx
SCRRRDBEAR
Titus*
fireisredsir
Cephrir
Marashu
Shiro
Something_Smart
Val89
T3 Shiidaji
PenguinPower

if we remove the people i think i have decent reasons to townread we have

catboi
Dannflor
SCRRRDBEAR
fireisredsir
Something_Smart
T3
PenguinPower

[Titus]
[Kitty]

havent reread fire but never got pinged there so that's more a case of "i need to reread that to lock it in"

otherwise uh i don't think this was necessarily a meaningful reevaluation because this is pretty much where i was earlier

bleh

VOTE: Something_Smart

feel like this is a hit btw

going to eat breakfast

you and kitty are at the bottom as the ones i have bad reasons to townread

VOTE: Something_Smart

feel like this is a hit btw

going to eat breakfast

why

you're flying under the radar

this isnt indicative of anything on its own but i think you're doing that on purpose

townread kitty in 1444 then start pushing him in 1818 / 1831 / start of d2

i don't think you have conviction in your reads and are just posting stuff to not get pushed

i could see enchant marashu having a mafia between them but i don't think it's enchant and i think marashu is individually decent enough

are they in the same hood idr

VOTE: T3

[SCRRRDBEAR]

LEARN TO KILL THE FIRE

i think he probably isn't, unfortunately

TO BE FRANK Y'ALL AIN'T EVEN CLOSE TO MY FIRST PICKS FOR A DREAM TOWNCORE EITHER, THAT'S FOR SURE. I DON'T THINK ANY OF THE THREE OF US HAVE DEMONSTRATED MUCH COMPETENCY IN UPROOTING DEEPSCUM AFAIK. FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH Y'ALL AIN'T EVEN CLOSE TO MY LAST PICKS FOR A DREAM TOWNCORE THOUGH EITHER, IF THAT'S WORTH ANYTHING AT ALL.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

Can you sell me why you want to kill Titus.

3268

[SCRRRDBEAR]

I skimmed but I'm going to reread when I get home but

@ bell/Toog why the votes on PP?

I've been wifom'd.
Penguin is trying to look reasonable and sane.
Titus is not.

BELL I DON'T THINK THIS IS A GOOD TAKE

[SCRRRDBEAR]

DATISI, IN YOUR EXPERTISE, IF D2 WERE AN SvS CROSS BETWEEN KT AND T3, WHERE WOULD THE SCUM TEAM BE MOST LIKELY TO POSITION THEMSELVES GIVEN SOME DEGREE OF COMPETENCE AS A SCUM TEAM?

either bussing whichever one looked more likely to flip, or testing the waters for some third wagon.

though this is an answer purely on theory

Wow, another game where I can’t read Titus to save my life.
What a surprise.

WHY ARE YOU STRUGGLING SO MUCH WITH THEIR SLOT IN PARTICULAR?

[SCRRRDBEAR]

MISTYX CAN YOU ELABORATE ON YOUR S_S READ?

BELL CAN YOU ELABORATE ON YOUR MISTYX READ?

[SCRRRDBEAR]

MISTYX CAN YOU ELABORATE ON YOUR S_S READ?

[SCRRRDBEAR]

VOTE: Kitty

Kitty out of curiosity did you always list your location in your profile? I don't remember seeing it before.

S_S CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THIS READ? WHY DID YOUR VOTE STAY ON KITTYTACKY ALL D2?

[SCRRRDBEAR]

so yeah i think i'm back to thinking scrrrdbear is mafia here

I RECOMMEND IMPROVING THIS PROCESS SOMEHOW

[SCRRRDBEAR]

i mean most of the stuff i have to scumread him i already mentioned not much has changed since then

i think the "scum ss would talk more about T3 in order to get actual cred" argument has some merit but not as much as he's acting like it does

so yeah i think i'm back to thinking scrrrdbear is mafia here

I RECOMMEND IMPROVING THIS PROCESS SOMEHOW

I LOOKED THROUGH YOUR ISO AND I STILL DON'T KNOW WHY YOU SCUMREAD S_S ON D2

[SCRRRDBEAR]

trustfalling

MathBlade - unlikely to come in and hard defend titus as mafia, ali/t3 unlikely w/w
flow trap - catboi was consistently posting well and had a couple good moments where i was like "okay yeah this solving is genuine"
Nero Cain - immediately coming in and being assertive is towny, charloux was towny d1
Datisi - frustration at ali felt genuine with t3 flip, can easily see his process through today, like where it's looking
Toogeloo - scum unlikely to be upfront about mechs info in the way they were after just replacing in, norwee was towny in thread
Bell - consistently posting well, solving mindset
KittyTacky - seemed like scum were positioning weirdly around him/t3 in a way that indicates town, way he latched onto minor things (iirc it was someone saying his reads were worse than random) feels like he was posting out of a genuine place, didn't fold or go antispew under pressure
Dannflor - feel like he's actively analyzing things, the way he's presenting his reads is thought through and makes me think he's not just making them up, he's actually paying attention and solving
Mistyx - super awesome and cool someone this epic could never be scum
SCRRRDBEAR - pulling out stuff to solve makes it seem real, doing a lot of active sorting
Titus - probably townslipped earlier, doubling down on a read in the face of a wagon in a way i think scum don't do, think the way she's asking people to kill all her scumreads is town entitlement
fireisredsir - feels like he's actively solving, also think he's not partnered with T3
Cephrir - i don't think i can really put words to this one but his posting just feels super pure, both in content and in tone
Enchant - confirmed mason
Something_Smart - wouldn't stick his neck out for titus as mafia here, would probably actually try to get cred from T3 as mafia, felt kinda towny when i pushed him yesterday
boy next door - val was towny d1, val solving in neighborhood aligns well with his in-thread posts
PenguinPower - looks unpartnered with T3, think he believes in his titus read

meh

notably good reads feel like math, kitty, enchant (lol), maybe dann
notably bad ones feel like bell/bear
though i don't think that makes bell mafia it's just i dont really remember any bell posts and didn't iso him

CAN YOU LINK TO WHERE YOU'VE SEEN THIS SHIT DONE BEFORE?

[SCRRRDBEAR]

THINK OF FIRE BEFORE IT STARTS

Toogeloo - scum unlikely to be upfront about mechs info in the way they were after just replacing in, norwee was towny in thread
Bell - consistently posting well, solving mindset
KittyTacky -

seemed like scum were positioning weirdly around him/t3 in a way that indicates town,

way he latched onto minor things (iirc it was someone saying his reads were worse than random) feels like he was posting out of a genuine place, didn't fold or go antispew under pressure
Dannflor - feel like he's actively analyzing things, the way he's presenting his reads is thought through and makes me think he's not just making them up, he's actually paying attention and solving

boy next door - val was towny d1, val solving in neighborhood aligns well with his in-thread posts

MISTYX CAN YOU TRY WRITING THIS SHIT IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE YOU JUST PULLED IT OUT OF YOUR ASS IN THE 30 SECONDS IT TOOK YOU TO TYPE IT UP? LIKE CAN YOU CITE A SINGLE CONCRETE POST OR ANYTHING FOR ANY OF THE ABOVE "REASONS" YOU HAVE TO TOWNREAD SOMEONE?

THIS REMINDS ME OF WHEN I TUNNELED DANNFLOR IN D1 OF THE DIVIDE AND CONQUER GAME EXCEPT THAT WAS LIKE D1, THIS IS D3 AND MY FIRST THOUGHT READING 3487 IS THAT MISTYX HASN'T EVEN READ THE THREAD AT ALL.

ALSO WHAT IS THIS SHIT ABOVE IN THE BOLDED?
"SEEMED LIKE SCUM WERE POSITIONING WEIRDLY AROUND [KITTY]/T3 IN A WAY THAT INDICATES TOWN" THE ONLY FLIPPED SCUM IS T3 AND YOU CAN BARELY PUT A TANGIBLE SENTENCE TOGETHER TO EXPLAIN WHY YOU KEEP INSISTING SS OR I ARE SCUM? HOW WOULD THE UNKNOWN MOVEMENTS OF AN UNKNOWN ENTITY YOU AREN'T EVEN PRETENDING TO UNDERSTAND GIVE YOU CAUSE TO TOWNREAD KITTY?

SCRRRDBEAR - pulling out stuff to solve makes it seem real, doing a lot of active sorting

Bell - consistently posting well, solving mindset

notably good reads feel like math, kitty, enchant (lol), maybe dann
notably bad ones feel like bell/bear
though i don't think that makes bell mafia it's just i dont really remember any bell posts and didn't iso him

HOW DO "PULLING STUFF OUT TO SOLVE MAKES IT SEEM REAL, DOING A LOT OF ACTIVE SORTING" AND "CONSISTENTLY POSTING WELL, SOLVING WELL" STAND OUT TO YOU AS "NOTABLY BAD" REASONS TO TOWNREAD SOMEONE IN ONE OF THE MOST PATHETIC LISTS AND SORRIEST METHODOLOGIES FOR SCUM HUNTING I HAVE EVER READ? THAT SEEMS VERY TROLL AND A GREAT EXAMPLE OF AN UNNATURAL THOUGHT PROCESS.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

CAN YOU LINK TO WHERE YOU'VE SEEN THIS SHIT DONE BEFORE?

I'M TAKING THIS THREAD FLAKE AS A SIGN THAT NO; NO YOU CAN NOT LINK TO WHERE YOU HAVE SEEN THIS SHIT BEFORE.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

CAN YOU LINK TO WHERE YOU'VE SEEN THIS SHIT DONE BEFORE?

I'M TAKING THIS THREAD FLAKE AS A SIGN THAT NO; NO YOU CAN NOT LINK TO WHERE YOU HAVE SEEN THIS SHIT BEFORE.

i'm not really interested in engaging with you if this is how you're going to be jumping to things

you're correct that i can't, i don't have the best memory for specific games

VOTE: SCRRRDBEAR

this isnt a salt vote at least as far as i can tell - i just think comparing his handling of me now compared to earlier it comes off as generally kind of manipulative, and that's not the first time i've noticed this game

i think theres issues with his posts, i'll bring them up when i'm in a mood where i'm more willing to play

I PREFER TO HAMMER KITTY OVER T3

i think id rather kill t3

ARE WE TRUE OPPOSITES?

i mean i dont like how much of a fuss he's been making about catching up and then posts a completely unexplained readlist

VOTE: T3

asks for people to engage with him answers a softball complains about being shaded then dips instead of answering actual questions

this can die

THIS IS FUN: KEEP THE ABOVE FROM MISTYX IN MIND WHEN READING THE BELOW.

CHARLOUX TALKED ME OUT OF MY TOWNREAD ON MISTYX BEFORE THEY TRANSFORMED INTO NERO CAIN.

well we've got time you wanna talk this out or no

THE MAIN CONTENTION WAS WHETHER I WAS OVERTHINKING YOUR SLOT OR THEY WERE UNDERTHINKING IT. I AGREED WITH WHAT THEY SAID BUT PROPOSED YOU WERE BEING SETUP AS A VIABLE MISLIM, FOR EXAMPLE, T3 END OF DAY BEHAVIOR BEING INTENDED TO FRAME YOU BY LOOKING LIKE A SHITTY DISTANCING ATTEMPT. IT WOULD HELP ME IF YOU EXPLAINED YOUR READ TRAJECTORIES D2.

my short term memory sucks

which ones specifically

MISTYX CAN YOU ELABORATE ON YOUR S_S READ?

i mean most of the stuff i have to scumread him i already mentioned not much has changed since then

i think the "scum ss would talk more about T3 in order to get actual cred" argument has some merit but not as much as he's acting like it does

SO AFTER EVADING EXPLAINING ANYTHING TO ME FOR AS LONG AS POSSIBLE, I HAVE TO GO DIG THROUGH YOUR ISO TO FIND THE TWO POSTS WHERE YOU SAY ANYTHING ABOUT

WHY

YOU EVER THOUGHT SS IS SCUM IN THE FIRST PLACE. BY THE WAY, IT'S CALLED "WORKING MEMORY" MISTYX AND IT'S A SCUM TELL CALLED THE NSG TELL.

ANYWAY, I CAN NOW PRESENT YOUR 2 SS POSTS FOR ALL TO SEE:

VOTE: Something_Smart

feel like this is a hit btw

Y to eat breakfast

GREAT STUFF. YOU HAVE TO GO EAT BREAKFAST. TOO BAD THAT DIDN'T HELP WITH YOUR "SHORT TERM MEMORY"

NOW THERE IS ONLY ONE POST WHERE YOU SAY ANYTHING ABOUT YOUR READ ON SS.

VOTE: Something_Smart

feel like this is a hit btw

going to eat breakfast

why

you're flying under the radar

this isnt indicative of anything on its own but i think you're doing that on purpose

townread kitty in 1444 then start pushing him in 1818 / 1831 / start of d2

i don't think you have conviction in your reads and are just posting stuff to not get pushed

#1 SS IS FLYING UNDER THE RADAR

...BUT APPARENTLY YOU ALSO THINK THAT'S NOT INDICATIVE OF ANYTHING. OKAY. YOU JUST THINK HE'S DOING IT ON PURPOSE.



#1 SS CHANGING HIS READ ON KITTY OVER THE SPAN OF ~400 POSTS, BETWEEN 1444 AND THEN 1818 / 1832 /

START OF D2

IS WHY YOU SUSPECT SS IS SCUM.

#2 YOU DON'T THINK SS HAS CONVICTION IN HIS READS AND

#3 HE IS JUST POSTING STUFF NOT TO GET PUSHED

==========

OKAY GREAT. THANKS FOR WASTING MY TIME PULLING ALL THAT UP.

YOUR EXPLANATION #1 IS HORSESHIT END OF STORY. SS READ CHANGING OVER THE COURSE OF A NIGHT A PHASE AND ~400 POSTS IS NOT SUSPICIOUS.

NOW, CAN YOU QUOTE THE POSTS OR INDICATE THE ABSENCE OF WORDS/POSTS WHERE YOU THINK SS WAS HOLDING BACK WHICH CAUSED YOU TO FORM YOUR OPINIONS #2 AND #3?

TO BE EXPLICITLY CLEAR, I WANT TO KNOW WHY YOU THINK #2 SS DOESN'T HAVE CONVICTION IN HIS READS AND #3 WHY YOU THINK SS IS JUST POSTING STUFF NOT TO GET PUSHED.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

p-edit: i acknowledge your responses i'm not going to read them or continue this conversation until tomorrow, thanks

MORE STALLING

[SCRRRDBEAR]

VCA NEEDS TO BE PERFORMED ASSUMING A T3/TITUS/MISTYX TEAM

GOD AM I GOING TO HAVE TO DO ALL THE GOOD SOLVING TODAY. I AM TERRIBLE AT VCA.

WHAT DOES "OVERLOADING A WAGON" MEAN?

[SCRRRDBEAR]

DO I HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL POST GAME BEFORE THE PROTECTORS OF STARCLAN REALIZE T3/TITUS/MISTYX ARE DARK ONES? WHERE ARE ALL THE GOOD PLAYERS?

I GUESS I WILL HAVE TO DO THE VCA TO FIND THE LAST TWO ON MY OWN.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

you're correct that i can't, i don't have the best memory for specific games

[SCRRRDBEAR]

@ bell/Toog why the votes on PP?

For me, it's simply because Titus is a Wind Cat.

TOOGLE MY DUDE, TITUS ISN'T A REAL WIND CAT SHE IS A SPY WHO PLANTED HERSELF THERE. LOOK AT MISTYX TRAJECTORY TODAY JUMPING OFF OF TITUS AND ONTO ME. I GET YOU WANT TO LOOK OUT FOR YOUR CLAN BUT YOU GUYS WILL HAVE TO BITE THE BULLET ON TITUS SOONER OR LATER, SHE JUST ISN'T A PROTECTOR OF STARCLAN, IT IS OBVIOUS TO ANYONE WHO CAN ACTUALLY READ HER PROFICIENTLY. I DON'T REALLY SCUM READ ANYONE ELSE IN YOUR CLAN AND I CAN PROMISE AFTER TITUS GOES YOUR MEMBERS WON'T BE UNDER ANY MORE PRESSURE FOR AT LEAST A FEW GAMEDAYS IF NOT THE REST OF THE GAME EVEN. I GET THAT PENGUIN DOESN'T LOOK THAT TOWNIE BUT THIS IS THE BEST I'VE EVER SEEN THEM PLAY AND I THINK THEY ARE SINCERE. PENGUIN AND TITUS AREN'T THUNDERDOMING IN A TvT SENSE HE IS JUST FIXATED ON HER BECAUSE IT IS OBVIOUS SHE WILL FLIP SCUM AND THE NUMBERS AREN'T MATERIALIZING TO PUSH HER THROUGH.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

I GET THAT PENGUIN DOESN'T LOOK THAT TOWNIE BUT THIS IS THE BEST I'VE EVER SEEN THEM PLAY AND I THINK THEY ARE SINCERE. PENGUIN AND TITUS AREN'T THUNDERDOMING IN A TvT SENSE HE IS JUST FIXATED ON HER BECAUSE IT IS OBVIOUS SHE WILL FLIP SCUM AND THE NUMBERS AREN'T MATERIALIZING TO PUSH HER THROUGH.

IMO PENGUIN IS OBVTOWN BUT I WOULDN'T HAVE THOUGHT THAT IF I HADN'T PLAYED WITH THEM BEFORE SO I CAN EMPATHIZE THEY DON'T LOOK THAT TOWNIE FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW. I THINK PENGUIN IS PLAYING WELL THIS GAME AND YOU SHOULD TRUST US AND HELP TO ELIMINATE TITUS INSTEAD.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

i'm gonna do a funny

VOTE: flow trap

(still support the titus wagon, still wanna see her potentially run up, but if we're talking counterwagons, this one might be interesting)

Yeah I'm not so sure about catboi having been town anymore, flow has been pretty quiet and on some deliberation I don't like catboi's push on me d2.

I THINK IT'S TINFOIL, SORRY. ARE YOU GOOD AT VCA?

PEDIT

CATBOI ISN'T THE BEST SCUMHUNTER AND I THINK THIS GAME IS HARD IN PARTICULAR. I'M NOT A FAN OF THIS DIRECTION.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

Titus: Cephrir, PenguinPower, fireisredsir

WHY IS CEPHRIR ON TITUS EOD 2 AND NOT ON THEM TODAY? JUST PLOPPED YOUR VOTE DOWN THERE FOR SHOW?

[SCRRRDBEAR]

Titus: Cephrir, PenguinPower, fireisredsir

WHY IS CEPHRIR ON TITUS EOD 2 AND NOT ON THEM TODAY? JUST PLOPPED YOUR VOTE DOWN THERE FOR SHOW?

Ceph is on Titus.

SORRY CEPHRIR.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

CAN ANYONE DISPROVE A T3/TITUS/MISTYX/KITTYTACKY/DATISI SOLVE?

[SCRRRDBEAR]

CAN ANYONE DISPROVE A T3/TITUS/MISTYX/KITTYTACKY/DATISI SOLVE?

HEY MATHBLADE CAN YOU DISPROVE A T3/TITUS/MISTYX/KITTYTACKY/DATISI TEAM WITH VCA?

[SCRRRDBEAR]

I have never seen any data to support that VCA is any more accurate than tea leave reading and I hate that nobody has bothered putting in the effort to figure out if it works or not.
In

I DON'T THINK THERE'S A NEED FOR IT TO BE TESTED, IT'S JUST APPLYING DEDUCTIVE REASONING TO VOTING HISTORY. SOME INDIVIDUALS WILL BE ABLE TO DEDUCE USEFUL INFORMATION FROM VOTING HISTORY IF THEY ARE FAMILIAR WITH BASIC PATTERNS AND MAKING LOGICAL INFERENCES. IF THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO LOOK FOR AND MAKE LOGICAL ERRORS THEN THEY WILL NOT PRODUCE USEFUL INFORMATION.

I FEEL THERE IS A NEED TO DO THIS NOW UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT T3/TITUS/MISTYX ARE DARK ONES BECAUSE I BELIEVE THEY ARE NOT GENUINE AT ALL, AND I THINK VCA (DEDUCTIVE REASONING APPLIED TO VOTING HISTORY) WILL GENERATE USEFUL INFORMATION NOW IF DONE CORRECTLY.

S_S CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THIS READ? WHY DID YOUR VOTE STAY ON KITTYTACKY ALL D2?

2416

I liked the Kitty wagon more than the T3 wagon. I thought Shiidaji posting a mega wall in the PT and nothing in the main thread was towny, and I thought Kitty was actively suspicious and deserved to be pressured more.

IMO THIS IS A COMPLETELY SINCERE RESPONSE AND I REALLY FEEL LIKE SS IS TOWN. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

MISTYX CAN YOU ELABORATE ON YOUR S_S READ?

BELL CAN YOU ELABORATE ON YOUR MISTYX READ?

She's doing more work in this game and seemingly being more inquisitive than scum her.
In addition, I don't think that she interacts with T3 as they did if they were partners.

It's honestly, good enough for me.

I THINK YOU'RE UNDERESTIMATING THEIR SCUM GAME, WHICH IS AN IMPRESSIVE FEAT BECAUSE IT'S STILL PRETTY TRANSPARENT. I CHALLENGE YOU TO REVIEW THE QUALITY OF THE "WORK" THEY'VE DONE AND ASK YOURSELF IF IT COULD EASILY BE THROWN TOGETHER TO LOOK LIKE "ACTIVITY." I SHOULD PROBABLY BoP MYSELF FOR DEFENDING THEM D2.

CAN ANYONE DISPROVE A T3/TITUS/MISTYX/KITTYTACKY/DATISI SOLVE?

HEY MATHBLADE CAN YOU DISPROVE A T3/TITUS/MISTYX/KITTYTACKY/DATISI TEAM WITH VCA?

I just got done with a shit ton of RL peopling

I don’t have the spoons to prove or disprove a and b are letters of the alphabet let alone a solve atm.

I am going to go with it’s unlikely because team wolves are generally wrong.

The VCA I did do off a very limited selection of VCs earlier suggested Kitty town iirc. Will check wind PT when I feel human. I also think Titus is town so that’s another reason it’s likely wrong.

And no I haven’t read anything else here

VCA NEEDS TO BE PERFORMED ASSUMING A T3/TITUS/MISTYX TEAM

GOD AM I GOING TO HAVE TO DO ALL THE GOOD SOLVING TODAY. I AM TERRIBLE AT VCA.

WHAT DOES "OVERLOADING A WAGON" MEAN?

Not sure on context here

It’s generally when a large group of scum is on any one wagon / avoiding it there’s a huge risk of eventually someone on the team being sussed. Scum tend to (but not always) be split on wagons for this reason even subconsciously. It’s not an absolute but a good rule of thumb,

Generally an intro VCA takes a look and see what narrative the votes themselves do. Since the moderator is a neutral party taking votes whenever they like/proper it’s usually enough to build a narrative.

Then you compare that narrative to the one in thread.

Eg an elim on scum with limited wagons says uninfluential scum couldn’t say them (or didn’t want to)
But an elim on scum on a flash wagon or with many other wagons suggests a heated debate/deadline/freak out.

So if there was randomly a flash wagon without a heated debate or limited wagons but players were successful in several pulls off and on
This helps you to find places to read to catch up on.

Imho it can help reinforce or disprove a given narrative more so than “prove” any particular team.

VCA can strongly suggest and without like a supporting defense otherwise go with it.

VCA to me is like circumstantial evidence not a smoking gun. Sometimes it’s all you got if scum are good but it is still evidence.

THIS IS ACTUALLY QUITE HELPFUL, THANK YOU. I AM ALSO TIRED AND WILL BE ATTEMPTING TO VCA TOMORROW UNDER VARIOUS ASSUMPTIONS. YOU MAY NOT AGREE WITH MOST OF IT BECAUSE I'M VERY CONFIDENT IN THE T3/TITUS/MISTYX ASPECT OF MY SOLVE, BUT I'M OPEN TO CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM NONTHELESS.

FWIW I WISH TITUS WERE TOWN SO THAT THEY WOULD DO SOME HELPFUL VCA, BUT ALAS.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

i don't know, but i don't think so. misty was voting t3 prior to this. she then unvoted him for ??? reasons, and tried to push s_s for a little bit, as the alisae and kittytacky wagons were happening. i don't think that scum transitions from bussing a deadweight buddy to pushing a random person when (1) that makes them look worse later (2) there were other possible wagons to hop on? i don't think anyone was seriously scumreading s_s. if misty is scum, that was done solely for wifom purposes.

I'LL DEFINITELY CONSIDER THIS AGAIN. MY THEORY IS THAT MISTYX FELT PRESSURE TO MAKE A PLAY IN A SITUATION WHERE IT WASN'T POSSIBLE AND THEN BAILED OUT. IT WASN'T LIKE THEY INVESTED ANY THOUGHT AT ALL INTO THEIR SS READ, AND SS IS THE TYPE OF SLOT WHICH IS TRADITIONALLY AN EASY TARGET.

I THINK IT'S THE TYPE OF SCUM PLAY THAT WOULDN'T BE LOGICAL FOR SOMEONE WHO IS AN EXPERT SCUM PLAYER LIKE YOU TO MAKE, HOWEVER, I LITERALLY JUST COMPLETED A GAME WHERE A SCUM BUDDY OF MINE DID EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING EVEN THOUGH IT DREW THEM NEGATIVE ATTENTION AND THERE WAS...NO GAIN TO IT.

ALSO: MY SCUMBUDDY NEVER GOT VOTED OUT FOR MAKING THIS MISTAKE EITHER.

I AM NOT EVALUATING MISTYX AS AN EXPERT SCUM PLAYER, I'M EVALUATING THEM AS A BEGINNER-INTERMEDIATE SCUM PLAYER WHO HAS LEARNED A FEW TRICKS BUT IS HIGHLY PRONE TO ERROR.

I THINK THE MINDSET YOU ARE APPLYING HERE TO MISTYX IS PROBABLY BEST USED ON THE REMAINING TWO SCUM BECAUSE I THINK THEY ARE HIDING MUCH BETTER. UNTIL I TRY MY HAND AT VCA I DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE ANY GOOD LEADS FOR THE FINAL 2 AND I THINK THEY COULD BE QUITE TOWNREAD.

like, this is a prime example of town-bear being insulting and demeaning to a person he's convinced is scum that i highly doubt scum-him knows how to replicate

WHAT DO YOU THINK CONVINCED ME THAT MISTYX IS SCUM? WHAT CAUSED ME TO AGGRO ONTO MISTYX IN THIS WAY?

[SCRRRDBEAR]

like, this is a prime example of town-bear being insulting and demeaning to a person he's convinced is scum that i highly doubt scum-him knows how to replicate

i should probably just stop reading bear posts altogether, they're making me angry even if the garbage isn't aimed directly at me

SCUM MOTIVATION FOR THIS POST NOTED FYI

[SCRRRDBEAR]

Cause Misty is a prefix usually in Riverclan; odd thing to push on, but it pings me as town.

DOES ANYTHING MAKE YOU DISTRUST MISTYX?

[SCRRRDBEAR]

WHAT DO YOU THINK CONVINCED ME THAT MISTYX IS SCUM? WHAT CAUSED ME TO AGGRO ONTO MISTYX IN THIS WAY?

i don't know, why is it important?

THIS DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A REAL QUESTION. ARE YOU TRYING TO PROTECT MISTYX?

[SCRRRDBEAR]

MY INTERACTIONS WITH YOU DON'T SEEM LIKE MY INTERACTIONS WITH TOWN!DATISI IN THE PAST. SOMETHING SEEMS OFF.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

no, i'm trying to figure out why you're asking me the things you're asking me

MY INTERACTIONS WITH YOU DON'T SEEM LIKE MY INTERACTIONS WITH TOWN!DATISI IN THE PAST. SOMETHING SEEMS OFF.

IT FEELS LIKE YOU ALREADY KNOW PLAYER'S ALIGNMENTS IN THIS GAME. IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO SORT MYSELF OR MISTYX.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

I'M GUESSING IF I TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR ISO YOU WILL NOT BE VOTING TITUS ANYMORE AND HAVE YOUR VOTE PARKED ON SOME RANDOM BS WAGON, JUST LIKE MISTYX IS DOING?

[SCRRRDBEAR]

i'm gonna do a funny

VOTE: flow trap

(still support the titus wagon, still wanna see her potentially run up, but if we're talking counterwagons, this one might be interesting)

OH HEY LOOK. I'M A GENIUS.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

MY INTERACTIONS WITH YOU DON'T SEEM LIKE MY INTERACTIONS WITH TOWN!DATISI IN THE PAST. SOMETHING SEEMS OFF.

k

no, i'm trying to figure out why you're asking me the things you're asking me

MY INTERACTIONS WITH YOU DON'T SEEM LIKE MY INTERACTIONS WITH TOWN!DATISI IN THE PAST. SOMETHING SEEMS OFF.

IT FEELS LIKE YOU ALREADY KNOW PLAYER'S ALIGNMENTS IN THIS GAME. IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO SORT MYSELF OR MISTYX.

i have sorted you three years ago

I'M GUESSING IF I TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR ISO YOU WILL NOT BE VOTING TITUS ANYMORE AND HAVE YOUR VOTE PARKED ON SOME RANDOM BS WAGON, JUST LIKE MISTYX IS DOING?

i'm gonna do a funny

VOTE: flow trap

(still support the titus wagon, still wanna see her potentially run up, but if we're talking counterwagons, this one might be interesting)

OH HEY LOOK. I'M A GENIUS.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

T3/TITUS/MISTYX/DATISI/?

[SCRRRDBEAR]

I'M ON FIRE

[SCRRRDBEAR]

VOTE COUNT 3.3

[6]

Titus

: PenguinPower, Cephrir, Nero Cain, fireisredsir, SCRRRDBEAR, KittyTacky
[4]

PenguinPower

: Titus, flow trap, Bell, Toogeloo
[1]

Datisi

: MathBlade
[1]

flow trap

: Datisi

[5]

Not voting

: Dannflor, Mistyx, Enchant, Something_Smart, boy next door,

—

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to eliminate.

Day three ends in (expired on 2022-11-20 11:49:06).

MOD NOTES

• have fun!

• let us know if you have any questions, or if something's wrong!

• keep track of your post count!

• prodding boy next door and flow trap.

• currently v/la: dannflor, mathblade. if i'm missing one/you're not v/la anymore let me know.

Bear, I will make you a deal.

I will vote Titus under the following conditions:
1) If Titus flips town you write out all of your premises and then do your VCA and post it. It’s something you wanna get better at so you should try it.

2) If Titus flips scum I will turn you into a double voter tomorrow for 48 hrs (except me obvi).

I don’t think Titus is scum but I think elsewhere is antitown.

Do you agree?

HELL YEAH! DEAL.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

I still think traps reasoning for town reading Titus is stupid

Lore reasons?

(MAJOR SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO ARE READING THE BOOKS)

Spoiler:

"You see what happens to cats who defy BloodClan? Your friend here thought he could control us. He was wrong."
―Scourge after killing Tigerstar The Darkest Hour, page 235

Scourge is recruited by Tigerstar to help the ShadowClan leader take over the Clans by force, and leads BloodClan's cats to their territories. He and BloodClan are introduced by Tigerstar to the other Clans, though Scourge's cats refuse to fight under Tigerstar's command due to their loyalty to their leader.

https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Scourge

___

CAN YOU LINK TO WHERE YOU'VE SEEN THIS SHIT DONE BEFORE?

I'M TAKING THIS THREAD FLAKE AS A SIGN THAT NO; NO YOU CAN NOT LINK TO WHERE YOU HAVE SEEN THIS SHIT BEFORE.

i'm not really interested in engaging with you if this is how you're going to be jumping to things

you're correct that i can't, i don't have the best memory for specific games

VOTE: SCRRRDBEAR

this isnt a salt vote at least as far as i can tell - i just think comparing his handling of me now compared to earlier it comes off as generally kind of manipulative, and that's not the first time i've noticed this game

i think theres issues with his posts, i'll bring them up when i'm in a mood where i'm more willing to play

I PREFER TO HAMMER KITTY OVER T3

i think id rather kill t3

ARE WE TRUE OPPOSITES?

i mean i dont like how much of a fuss he's been making about catching up and then posts a completely unexplained readlist

VOTE: T3

asks for people to engage with him answers a softball complains about being shaded then dips instead of answering actual questions

this can die

THIS IS FUN: KEEP THE ABOVE FROM MISTYX IN MIND WHEN READING THE BELOW.

CHARLOUX TALKED ME OUT OF MY TOWNREAD ON MISTYX BEFORE THEY TRANSFORMED INTO NERO CAIN.

well we've got time you wanna talk this out or no

THE MAIN CONTENTION WAS WHETHER I WAS OVERTHINKING YOUR SLOT OR THEY WERE UNDERTHINKING IT. I AGREED WITH WHAT THEY SAID BUT PROPOSED YOU WERE BEING SETUP AS A VIABLE MISLIM, FOR EXAMPLE, T3 END OF DAY BEHAVIOR BEING INTENDED TO FRAME YOU BY LOOKING LIKE A SHITTY DISTANCING ATTEMPT. IT WOULD HELP ME IF YOU EXPLAINED YOUR READ TRAJECTORIES D2.

my short term memory sucks

which ones specifically

MISTYX CAN YOU ELABORATE ON YOUR S_S READ?

i mean most of the stuff i have to scumread him i already mentioned not much has changed since then

i think the "scum ss would talk more about T3 in order to get actual cred" argument has some merit but not as much as he's acting like it does

SO AFTER EVADING EXPLAINING ANYTHING TO ME FOR AS LONG AS POSSIBLE, I HAVE TO GO DIG THROUGH YOUR ISO TO FIND THE TWO POSTS WHERE YOU SAY ANYTHING ABOUT

WHY

YOU EVER THOUGHT SS IS SCUM IN THE FIRST PLACE. BY THE WAY, IT'S CALLED "WORKING MEMORY" MISTYX AND IT'S A SCUM TELL CALLED THE NSG TELL.

ANYWAY, I CAN NOW PRESENT YOUR 2 SS POSTS FOR ALL TO SEE:

VOTE: Something_Smart

feel like this is a hit btw

i have to go eat breakfast

GREAT STUFF. YOU HAVE TO GO EAT BREAKFAST. TOO BAD THAT DIDN'T HELP WITH YOUR "SHORT TERM MEMORY"

NOW THERE IS ONLY ONE POST WHERE YOU SAY ANYTHING ABOUT YOUR READ ON SS.

VOTE: Something_Smart

feel like this is a hit btw

going to eat breakfast

why

you're flying under the radar

this isnt indicative of anything on its own but i think you're doing that on purpose

townread kitty in 1444 then start pushing him in 1818 / 1831 / start of d2

i don't think you have conviction in your reads and are just posting stuff to not get pushed

#1 SS IS FLYING UNDER THE RADAR

...BUT APPARENTLY YOU ALSO THINK THAT'S NOT INDICATIVE OF ANYTHING. OKAY. YOU JUST THINK HE'S DOING IT ON PURPOSE.



#1 SS CHANGING HIS READ ON KITTY OVER THE SPAN OF ~400 POSTS, BETWEEN 1444 AND THEN 1818 / 1832 /

START OF D2

IS WHY YOU SUSPECT SS IS SCUM.

#2 YOU DON'T THINK SS HAS CONVICTION IN HIS READS AND

#3 HE IS JUST POSTING STUFF NOT TO GET PUSHED

==========

OKAY GREAT. THANKS FOR WASTING MY TIME PULLING ALL THAT UP.

YOUR EXPLANATION #1 IS HORSESHIT END OF STORY. SS READ CHANGING OVER THE COURSE OF A NIGHT A PHASE AND ~400 POSTS IS NOT SUSPICIOUS.

NOW, CAN YOU QUOTE THE POSTS OR INDICATE THE ABSENCE OF WORDS/POSTS WHERE YOU THINK SS WAS HOLDING BACK WHICH CAUSED YOU TO FORM YOUR OPINIONS #2 AND #3?

TO BE EXPLICITLY CLEAR, I WANT TO KNOW WHY YOU THINK #2 SS DOESN'T HAVE CONVICTION IN HIS READS AND #3 WHY YOU THINK SS IS JUST POSTING STUFF NOT TO GET PUSHED.

gmorning

ya but i don't care about the pp wagon

that doesnt really feel like a valid counterargument tho

its not about whether you care about it its about whether its viable or not

sorry, let me rephrase - i feel like the reasons people are voting pp are garbage, and therefore nothing good comes from that wagon

ok i can understand that

what about me? i feel like i'm probably the most likely non-titus wagon today

do you think it says anything that a meaningful wagon hasn't formed on me yet

theres enough options for titus flavor either way that its not mechanically significant i think

[SCRRRDBEAR]

==========

OKAY GREAT. THANKS FOR WASTING MY TIME PULLING ALL THAT UP.

YOUR EXPLANATION #1 IS HORSESHIT END OF STORY. SS READ CHANGING OVER THE COURSE OF A NIGHT A PHASE AND ~400 POSTS IS NOT SUSPICIOUS.

NOW, CAN YOU QUOTE THE POSTS OR INDICATE THE ABSENCE OF WORDS/POSTS WHERE YOU THINK SS WAS HOLDING BACK WHICH CAUSED YOU TO FORM YOUR OPINIONS #2 AND #3?

TO BE EXPLICITLY CLEAR, I WANT TO KNOW WHY YOU THINK #2 SS DOESN'T HAVE CONVICTION IN HIS READS AND #3 WHY YOU THINK SS IS JUST POSTING STUFF NOT TO GET PUSHED.

this isnt a salt vote at least as far as i can tell - i just think comparing his handling of me now compared to earlier it comes off as generally kind of manipulative, and that's not the first time i've noticed this game

actually i'm going to elaborate on this now because i don't want to cause more badfeels than necessary

there was a point early on (675) where he was reassuring me when i was worrying about posting badly

i think considering the context of how he reacted to me pushing him here (and less so earlier when he said i was getting paranoid from sleep deprivation) that was more of a pocket attempt than genuine reassurance

p-edit: i acknowledge your responses i'm not going to read them or continue this conversation until tomorrow, thanks

gmorning

ya but i don't care about the pp wagon

that doesnt really feel like a valid counterargument tho

its not about whether you care about it its about whether its viable or not

sorry, let me rephrase - i feel like the reasons people are voting pp are garbage, and therefore nothing good comes from that wagon

ok i can understand that

what about me? i feel like i'm probably the most likely non-titus wagon today

do you think it says anything that a meaningful wagon hasn't formed on me yet

theres enough options for titus flavor either way that its not mechanically significant i think

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PLEASE BoP ME AFTER T3/TITUS/MISTYX/DATISI ARE ALL FLIPPED. I DESERVE TO DIE FOR TOWNSENDING MISTYX SHITTY SCUM PLAY ON D2.

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KNOW FIRE SAFETY, NO PAIN, NO FIRE SAFETY, KNOW PAIN

bear i'm going to be honest i'm not responding to you because i think you're being needlessly aggressive in and engaging would just drag the thread down

and i don't think anything i say is going to change your mind at this point so it feels like a waste of time

and let me guess after i flip town you're going to blame me for this and call me a gamethrower

"If you're trying to feign shock or anger, it's much harder to do over a long period... "

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_( ... ame_theory

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my previous standards for her scumplay (based on ktane) were way too low of a bar

the MU people keep telling me she is in fact a good wolf but I have not yet seen it

DO THEY SUCK AT SCUM HUNTING OR SOMETHING?

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i'm actually actively trying not to get angry despite your best efforts

"The physiological stress of sustained lying degrades the initial ability of mafioso to deceive the innocents, much more than a model of perfect play would predict, especially if the innocents can get the town emotionally involved in the game's outcome..."

"People accused of something they're trying to hide will start out feigning outrage – 'How dare you ask me that?'"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_( ... ame_theory

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@dann

i do think moonlogicy theories are townie, however my issue is that he assigned scum-motivation to one person for it when a lot of other people have done it, and he never commented on that. that's something that can potentially be scum motivated and i want him to explain his thoughts there

i don't want to vote val rn because i have been wrong before so i want to give more time to sit on that, and i don't think voting him will help me solve him (as it will with charloux)

@fire

i don't remember calling marashu boring (or saying anything about him, really) but i don't really have thoughts on him rn - i'm interested to see where he takes the datisi/bell theory

no thoughts head empty on catboi

why is it that you asked about the two of these specifically?

something something good scumgame big paranoia etc etc

i did vaguely read your thoughts on him but they didn't really resonate with me one way or another, so

i was hoping to gain insight by seeing his read on me but apparently he has NONE so far so idk i will just be vibing there for now

I think my top vote choice would be Mistyx

interesting, why?

Mistyx, Datisi, Norweigan; What is even your goal with my wagon?

i have both spelled out exactly why i am voting you and what i want from you - give an answer to 363.

IMO 386 LOOKS INFORMED. JUST DRYLY ADDRESSING CONCERNS AND CHATTING ABOUT TELLS.

yes, the point of that post was to address concerns, what would you expect to be different about it from town-me?

having read the further posts from bear, i can see where he's coming from and i think his push is very townie. it's *wrong* obviously, but i think his posts show curiosity and solving my alignment that i don't think is very likely to be from scum.

misty, i'd recommend you just not interact anymore because bear does not know limits or basic decency

"The physiological stress of sustained lying degrades the initial ability of mafioso to deceive the innocents, much more than a model of perfect play would predict, especially if the innocents can get the town emotionally involved in the game's outcome..."

"People accused of something they're trying to hide will start out feigning outrage – 'How dare you ask me that?' But that will start to change to objection rather than shock, as it's psychologically very difficult to mimic emotion."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_( ... ame_theory

OBVIOUS SCUM SHADE DETECTED IN #3642

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"People accused of something they're trying to hide will start out feigning outrage – 'How dare you ask me that?'"

I feel like the opposite would be true too: people accused of something they didn't do will get angry since injustice is a cause of anger

NOTED.

THIS IS WHY YOU'RE CURRENTLY VOTING BELL INSTEAD OF ONE OF THE SCUM.

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"People accused of something they're trying to hide will start out feigning outrage – 'How dare you ask me that?'"

I feel like the opposite would be true too: people accused of something they didn't do will get angry since injustice is a cause of anger

NOTED.

THIS IS WHY YOU'RE CURRENTLY VOTING BELL INSTEAD OF ONE OF THE SCUM.

AT LEAST YOU HAVE A GOOD COVER STORY FOR WHEN YOU ROLL SCUM, FLOW TRAP:

SCUMHUNTER: HOW COME YOU VOTED OUT ALL THOSE TOWN PLAYERS, FLOW TRAP?
SCUM FLOW TRAP: DUDE IT'S IN MY TOWN META TO VOTE OUT TOWN, CHECK OUT MY TOWNPLAY IN WARRIOR CATS MAFIA. I PARKED MY VOTE ON BELL D3 WHILE LIKE 6 OTHER PLAYERS TRIED TO FIND THE MAFIA.
SCUMHUNTER: WOAH GUYS FLOW TRAP IS RIGHT, KILLING TOWN

IS

HIS TOWN META. LET'S SPEND DAYS DELIBERATING BETWEEN VOTING FLOW TRAP AND LIKE 3 OTHER SLOTS THAT AREN'T DOING ANYTHING.
SCUM FLOW TRAP: HEHEHEHE

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No but fan sites are incredibly well done and can be confused as actual lore

true but aren't most fan sites just mostly a copy paste of cannon? also the if I just google warrior cats the first result is the official site (I think)

Pretty sure it's Mistyx and Titus.

WHY AREN'T YOU BUSSING DATISI TOO?

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"People accused of something they're trying to hide will start out feigning outrage – 'How dare you ask me that?'"

I feel like the opposite would be true too: people accused of something they didn't do will get angry since injustice is a cause of anger

NOTED.

THIS IS WHY YOU'RE CURRENTLY VOTING BELL INSTEAD OF ONE OF THE SCUM.

AT LEAST YOU HAVE A GOOD COVER STORY FOR WHEN YOU ROLL SCUM, BEAR

SCUMHUNTER: HOW COME YOU VOTED OUT ALL THOSE TOWN PLAYERS, BEAR?
SCUM FLOW TRAP: DUDE IT'S IN MY TOWN META TO VOTE OUT TOWN, CHECK OUT MY TOWNPLAY IN WARRIOR CATS MAFIA. I PARKED MY VOTE ON TITUS D3 WHILE LIKE 6 OTHER PLAYERS TRIED TO FIND THE MAFIA.
SCUMHUNTER: WOAH GUYS BEAR IS RIGHT, KILLING TOWN

IS

HIS TOWN META. LET'S SPEND DAYS DELIBERATING BETWEEN VOTING BEAR AND LIKE 3 OTHER SLOTS THAT AREN'T DOING ANYTHING.
SCUM BEAR: HEHEHEHE

This is how you sound to me Bear.

FAIR PLAY, FAIR PLAY. I'M STILL FEELING PRETTY CONFIDENT ABOUT MY TITUS READ BUT IF I'M WRONG THEN I SURE FUCKED UP BIG TIME.

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KITTY TACKY WHY ARE YOU ONLY BUSSING MISTYX AND TITUS? YOU STILL THINK DATISI IS TOWN FOR TUNNELING YOUR SLOT INTO THE GROUND?

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KITTY TACKY WHY ARE YOU ONLY BUSSING MISTYX AND TITUS? YOU STILL THINK DATISI IS TOWN FOR TUNNELING YOUR SLOT INTO THE GROUND?

I SHOULD SPECIFY: YOU STILL THINK DATISI IS TOWN FOR TRYING TO GET YOU LIMMED INSTEAD OF T3?

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It’s also been suggested certain hoods all town

Most likely Riverclan if I go by lore, lol

Honestly here I think it's ThunderClan, though with PP's recent actions in the hood I think he miiiiight be scum there. But I also have reasons to believe ThunderClan is pure.

I see no reason for bias here

OOOOH FLOW TRAP GOTTEM

FLOW TRAP REAL TALK THOUGH, THIS ISN'T SCUM SHADE IS IT?

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Dats is scum (thus trap being town unless bussing/distancing)

IT DEPENDS ON WHO TRAP REPLACED