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I still think Greeting and Lucian are scum together. I tried to reread the game without the lens of confbias but I probably just fooled myself into thinking that I did that.

Scum are incentivized to bus each other in this setup. It's slightly higher EV for scum if one of them is outside the coalition and one of them is within it. After all, if the coalition fails, all eyes are turning towards the coalition to find scum first, and the longer it takes to hit scum within the coalition, the better it is for scum. Now, there is a lot of WIFOM involved with this, of course, but intuitively, I think it makes sense for scum to want to distance early in this game.

So far, I find the dynamic between Greeting and Lucian to be the most awkward and unnatural out of any dynamic in this game.

In post 214, Lucian wrote:@Dannflor, do you have any other thoughts on my alignment besides the fact I didn't heal myself? And how did that thought progress for you by now?

I didn't actually think that made you scum. I made that reason up when you asked me because I wasn't ready to talk about this yet. I am now.

I think you seem anxious to explain every inch of your trajectory on every slot. Your focus seems to be more on showing how Town you can be and not so much on testing other people's alignments.

When you make a post like 95, I get the sense that you made it in order to show that you are thinking about the game, but I don't get the sense you actually care about what thoughts are in it. If you say something like "her reasons for townreading me are not great," I don't understand why that wasn't something you prodded Una on before you made such a post town reading her for that.

I suppose the best way to explain it is that you just feel not very curious. When you make posts like 101 or 212, it doesn't read like you're asking questions or continuing a line of discussion in order to discern alignment, it feels like you are continuing a line of discussion . When you do ask questions that are ostensibly to determine alignment, it feels like busywork. Asking Menalque why in 184 or me about my read on you in 214 feels hollow when you vote us for your coalition anyway and ostensibly town read us already. There's no attempted pressure really. It feels like you're just going through the steps you think you should have to go through before you can "lock-in" your town reads on us. I mean, is Menalque explaining those three reads going to drastically change your read on him?

I think I expect more dynamic play from you as town. Like when you poke slots it seems half-hearted, I'm not sure how to express my feeling beyond that.

I also really keep coming back to 212 and wondering why you made it. It doesn't feel like its purpose is to sort Una's alignment, especially because you happily threw her in a coalition shortly after.

I am also skeptical of your motivation for posting 215 after you had already made 186. There is a disproportionate amount of your words devoted to scum reading Greeting versus town reading other slots.

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As far as Greeting goes, I am predisposed to scum reading posts like 66 that feel like scum wanted to make a solid entrance into the thread but was awkward about making Actual Content.

The scum read on Lucian is just kind of over the top and as Una already observed, 120 feels like the conclusion of the post came before the thought.

122 is a strange post to make as town because it means Greeting isn't curious enough about Lucian's alignment to actually read his posts, despite ostensibly scum reading him at this point? Or maybe just not town reading Lucian is the more appropriate characterization here. Still, I would expect scum!Greeting and town!Greeting to read and respond to town!Lucian's 95 because Lucian namedrops Greeting in that post and people are super sensitive to their name being dropped.

So, the conclusion I draw is that Greeting is interacting with Lucian for the sake of interacting with him. I do not get the sense that either Lucian or Greeting care about sorting the other's alignment.

In post 203, Greeting wrote:What's so towny about that post?

This is kind of a question that has already been answered by multiple people in thread and I think a townie with curiosity would be on a deeper level at this point in their conversation with Lucian. It's also like never followed up on and just again feels like Greeting is interacting with Lucian in a hollow way.

Empty question tell can also be applied to 208. There are many other much more alignment indicative things to pick Una about. These questions look like busy work.