Mini 116: Trigger Mafia Concluded

[Yaw]

The nard-wagon certainly was not to get him to post more. It was started because it looked like he was headhunting Totem.

In addition, I mentioned Candice earlier, around page 4 of this thread. At that point I FOSed her, and earlier than that I tested out a hypothesis regarding whether or not she was scum.

I don't like one bit the fact that nard is now contradicting himself. I think he's been caught on enough things, most recently by Otaku, to make him our best choice for a lynch today. Keep in mind also that Jaguar claimed first, and has had a claim that was consistent (with the possible exception of the leprechaun thing). Nard claimed afterwards, and seems to me to have been trying as best as possible to match Jaguar's claim, modifying his to fit the details she's provided as necessary.

Finally, welcome back, willows! I look forward to seeing what you have to say when you've read over the thread.

[nard054]

My vote's on Jaguar and nothing I've heard has convinced me otherwise. You're still the most suspicious in my eyes, though admittedly not hugely suspicious.

Nothing anyone else has said has convinced me either. The nard bandwagon was to get him to post more, and he seems to be doing that. No point joining that.

I'm not going to start a campaign against anyone else atm, because I just don't have the suspicion to justify one, so I'm happy with my vote on the most suspicious person in my eyes.

Some things here just don't add up. Nothing you've heard has convinced you otherwise? The exact same PM came to her and me. And if you don't believe this, then why suspect Jaguar when I claimed

after

her?

And even I have to say that what I did kind of look scummy...and I believe I was posting fairly often before that...

Big FoS: Shady

[Otaku376]

Welcome to the game WW, I eagerly await your imput. And have fun on the trip Candice!
While it's a reasonable mistake, I think over this whole course, it's just another strike against you. I am still waiting to hear what totem thinks about this. Candice raises a good point that while nard has been on the defensive he's accused almost everyone. For now my vote will remain where it is.
Shady looks well...shady for that comment about the "posting bandwagon"...what are you thinking man?

[BlueSin]

meme,
just want to see your responce after being voted.

unvote meme

about candice, he is trying to be lay low and not attract ppl attention. that is scummy. so

fos candice

[Tam]

meme,
just want to see your responce after being voted.

unvote meme

about candice, he is trying to be lay low and not attract ppl attention. that is scummy. so

fos candice

Why does this nag at me? It seems wrong somehow, like it was set up or something...I mean, more than it claims to be, of course. I dunno, anyone else get a scummy reading off of it?

Well, I'm not going to unvote right now. I still think he's guilty- He was the one to claim details last and seems to have changed his to fit in with Totem and Jaguar's trigger patterns, after getting it wrong the first time , then tries to shift blame away from himself and onto Candice, who, so far as I can tell, has not been lurking and bandwagoning everyone, etc., like he says.

He is Teh Evil! and keeping 3 votes on him won't hurt anything while we wait for W_W's input. (Welcome back, Willows!)

I find shady a bit suspicious for his comment on the nard bandwagon as well, but not near as much as nard still.

[Jaguar]

Welcome back Willows. Still haven't had a chance to go through things in detail. I've been a tad busy at home and at work.

Right now I think Shady deserves a FOS, but I could be slightly biased there In addition, nard is very defensive, but I know I've been in a close to lynching situation myself in various games and get quite defensive as well, so I can't really blame him. Now that is not to say he can't be scum of course.

Enjoy your trip Candace.

[Totem]

Sorry for not contributing. I was sure I will be home on Monday. Just did a very quick reread.
First thoughts. Jag and nard info about game mechanics and their claims look very close to mine. I believe that both are protown.
Not sure if I will have more time today but wait for my next post.

[MeMe]

I'm rather concerned that many of you seem to think that having the same type of trigger mechanic somehow clears people.

I want it understood that I

voted

nard because his mechanics didn't match the others -- and that looked as though he was inventing his "tripped a trigger" story out of whole cloth. I also want everyone to understand that it's

not

that his current story matches the trigger mechanics of Totem & Jag that made me unvote him. It was the attitude displayed in his clarification post. I would expect scum caught in a lie to either stick with his story or to panic somewhat. He did neither, instead opting for an "oops. screwed up. I know that looks scummy" type of post.

Trigger mechanics matching should carry

no

weight when either side can trip them.

[willows_weep]

Hmm ok the funny thing is that since only some/most are voluntary you never know what you're going to get.

Nard issue?
The fact that the wording is similar to Jaguars is disconcerting but that is a bad scum move in my opinion (if it is).

It doesn't make bundles of sense to me because it says it is used against the mafia right?
Well In my mind that prompts the need for more wording. There are so many players and so many roles. So how does the vig gun get the task done.

Jaguars coming out as having investigated willows on night 1 would be a nice/convienent claim. Of course that's obvious.
Convienent because investigative powers could be had by anyone no?
And when tomorrow rolls around someone could simply lose their trigger. Like a trade in or simply lose if completely.

Other concerns Yaw and shady.

I will try and be back later to post more thoughts etc.
I would vote nard

[BlueSin]

vote tam

nard did seems scummy. but I will just fos nard in the mean time. WW still have more to say.

[Yaw]

Why the vote on Tam, BlueSin?

Willows' post did raise an interesting point in my mind, when compared to Tigris' opening statement. Now, nard claims to have a gun he can use to kill. The willows kill, however, was accomplished by piano because

Tigris said the mafia are out of bullets

. So any gun kill couldn't possibly be maf. I'm starting to reconsider my vote for this reason. At any rate, I

do

agree with MeMe completely that having trigger mechanics match up clears nobody, especially when stated by further people. That is, people claiming later are just reiterating what they already know from reading the thread, so it says nothing about whether or not they actually triggered something.

Also want to hear more from shady...perhaps once he's read over the thread.

[Tigris]

Just so that there's a vote count on this page to refer to:

Vote Count

Shady (1): totem
Jaguar (1): shady
Nard (3): yaw, otaku, tam
Tam (1): bluesin

not voting: willows, jaguar, meme, candice, nard

editted to change uraj into willows

[nard054]

I'm not understanding the vote on Tam either.

I agree similar triggers shouldn't clear anyone...but I'm now sure of Jaguar's innocence. Her first post was

identical

to mine. There's almost no chance that this would happen if she just made the whole thing up. I know I have no way to prove this, but if you believe that I'm innocent than you can be assured that Jaguar is as well.

[MeMe]

My point is that both mafia AND town can have identical trigger mechanics. It has nothing to do with alignment.

[willows_weep]

The gun versus piano point is valid to me but it's also (I feel) a bit early to give any set definitions to kills and possibilities for killing.
I.E. Tomorrow someone could get steamrolled?
(I'm not saying anyone was trying to give set definitions etc.)

Hm, don't know what the gun actually accomplishes?
Well guns don't always kill, aren't always used to suches like that.
I'm open to the possibility of creative license.
I.E. what type of gun, super powers, random anime/cartoon/etc goodness.

The main link for me between the claims are the finding from the past bit.

Would be interesting if it were a scheme.

My understanding is that no one can be clear from day to day. Is that the case?
One day you can be all hip with the strictly pro-town, another you may have an anti-town agenda or at least have triggered an action that does not benifit the town.
Let me know if this is wrong/you don't agree?

Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot to say thankyou earlier for the welcomes(Well I didn't forget I just had to go, before I had a chance)

Thankyou!

~W_W

[Tigris]

There are exceedingly minimal alignment shifting triggers in this game (and somewhat to quite difficult to trigger, the mafia to town being the most difficult). This is merely because it would be exceedingly frustrating to suddenly change sides without warning. Additionally, numerous changing alignments would create more chaos then I feel desirable. ^_^

[willows_weep]

Ah, chaos...mmmm.
I figure it would be hard, and quite annoying but thats what makes things fun for me. Being driven insane by the crazy slim possibilities and chance.

[Totem]

The main link for me between the claims are the finding from the past bit.

that was the wording I was looking for.
I still think nard and Jag hit protown triggers. Can't decide who is suspicious enough for a vote. Probably my dentist for torturing me today.
(Oh my, how funny it would be if the words 'dentist' 'torturing' were triggers for something. I better shut up untill the medications are clear of my bloodstream . LOL, 'blood' 'stream' , yawn ... ou! painfull)

[Otaku376]

FOS: Bluesin

He keeps jumping around with his vote, and I do not know why the FOS on Candice. She said she was going on a trip....
MeMe makes a point that both sides can hit triggers, but tigris also said that mafia cannot activite protown triggers (post 14) and Jaguar and Nard's claims seem very protown. Especially that nard's said that he uses it against the mafia...which seems to make me feel...well...suspicious.

[willows_weep]

Hm, mafia not being able to activate protown triggers...
That makes it a bit wonky no?
I mean...pro-town is either a plain townie or a townie with a role.
In games someone who investigates doesnt have to be an actual cop(straightforward) right?

So any ability any player has in my opinion and thoughts have no allegiance themselves.
So ...the thing wrong with that I see is that it goes against the rules doesn't it?
If you look at it that way...

I guess the question is what is directly and only related to protown...?

[MeMe]

2) There are universal pro-town triggers, universal mafia triggers, and general triggers that can occur to anyone.

I think that a whole lot of abilities can be used effectively by

either

side...all three examples we've had claimed so far could be a valid trigger regardless of alignment.

--finding a gun (vigilante ability or extra kill/day kill for mafia)
--detective kit (cop or mafia could check to see who's currently got a power role)
--donut (cop blocking - beneficial for mafia; not so for town)

[willows_weep]

Ah, MeMe understands me...

[BlueSin]

Agree with meme.
One vote on a random or not-so-random person doesn't affect anything. It is just similar to not voting for me.

I fos candice for the reason stated by nard if i'm right. Just a mere wild guess related to his attitute in the game. Trying to lay low and not attract attention.

[Otaku376]

My trigger went something like this: You found a gun from your childhood....would you like to use it against the mafia?

Protown only trigger or another hole in nard's claim?

[nard054]

I've already said that that post was a mistake. The first PM asked if I wanted to search my house for something to use against the mafia.

Then

I got my role saying I found a gun from childhood, but my PM specifically says that I don't know what the gun will do. This is not my own speculation (I realize that it might have come off that way...).

And I'm not sure what you're meaning to ask when you say "Protown only trigger"